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 by: John - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:18 UTC

On 8/9/2022 9:44 AM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> God knows. All my ipads still work, including an original first
>>> generation one.
>>
>> Same here with my iPad 1 and 2.
>
> FACTS
>
> Like flat earthers... it's no longer shocking how iKooks can't comprehend
> the basic fact that you can not load the latest Safari on those iPads.
>
>> Safari, Messages, and a slew of other
>> apps continue to run on these things.
>
> Those iPads do not load the latest Safari no matter how much you lie.
>
>> Dipshit Andy wants us not to
>> believe our lying eye though. We are supposed to believe our iPads are
>> "just dead", according to dipshit Andy.
>
> You are lying when you claim you loaded the _latest_ Safari onto that iPad.
>
>>>> Can you name a _single_ common consumer OS with a shorter lifespan
>>>> than iOS?
>>>
>>> My Moto G 4G only lasted 18 months. And my HTC Desire only got a year's
>>> worth of updates.
>>
>> You are supposed to ignore those as if they do not exist. It's the only
>> way dipshit Andy's lame trolls work. ; )
>
> It's no longer shocking how you low IQ iKooks can't comprehend the basic
> fact they are _desperate_ to claim isn't a fact because they _hate_ it.
>
> Either you iKooks don't realize the fact that the latest Safari does _not_
> load onto those older iPads, or, you're simply lying to us that it does.

The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:24 UTC

On 2022-08-10 10:53, cris wrote:
> On 10/08/2022 15:52, Alan wrote:
>
>>>>> The concept you whooshed on ..
>>>>
>>>> .. you're obsessive and have a very distorted view of reality.
>>>
>>> He's right you know.
>>> Safari is part of iOS.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> It is shipped WITH the OS but it is not PART of the OS.
>
> Look it up. They are a matched set.
> When one can't be updated an longer the other can't be updated either.
> If you think otherwise it's YOUR reality which is distorted. Not his.

I know what an operating system is, and simply because Apple chooses to
bundle Safari with the OS doesn't make it a part of the OS.

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 by: cris - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 19:56 UTC

On 11/08/2022 18:24, Alan wrote:

>>>>>> The concept you whooshed on ..
>>>>>
>>>>> .. you're obsessive and have a very distorted view of reality.
>>>>
>>>> He's right you know.
>>>> Safari is part of iOS.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> It is shipped WITH the OS but it is not PART of the OS.
>>
>> Look it up. They are a matched set.
>> When one can't be updated an longer the other can't be updated either.
>> If you think otherwise it's YOUR reality which is distorted. Not his.
>
> I know what an operating system is, and simply because Apple chooses to
> bundle Safari with the OS doesn't make it a part of the OS.

Then it's only your version of reality that is distorted but you can
continue to believe whatever you want that makes you feel better about it.

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 by: News - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 19:59 UTC

On 8/11/2022 3:56 PM, cris wrote:
> On 11/08/2022 18:24, Alan wrote:
>
>>>>>>> The concept you whooshed on ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .. you're obsessive and have a very distorted view of reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's right you know.
>>>>> Safari is part of iOS.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>> It is shipped WITH the OS but it is not PART of the OS.
>>>
>>> Look it up. They are a matched set.
>>> When one can't be updated an longer the other can't be updated either.
>>> If you think otherwise it's YOUR reality which is distorted. Not his.
>>
>> I know what an operating system is, and simply because Apple chooses to
>> bundle Safari with the OS doesn't make it a part of the OS.
>
> Then it's only your version of reality that is distorted but you can
> continue to believe whatever you want that makes you feel better about it.

It gets him through the day and his expert-on-all-topics posts.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 22:11 UTC

John wrote:

> The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.

FACTS

1. It was shown, with facts, iOS is _different_ from all others OS's.
2. Specifically, default apps such as Safari are _only_ updated with iOS.
3. All other modern operating systems do NOT do something that primitive.

ASSESSMENT:
a. You can't update the default apps on iOS when you can't update iOS.
b. Yet, you _can_ update the default apps on all others no matter what.
c. Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.

Hence, any intelligent adult would be forced to agree to the facts:
*Apple operating systems die _far sooner_ than all other OS's do*
--
iKooks hate that fact.
But the fact they hate the fact doesn't change the fact it's still a fact.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 22:16 UTC

News wrote:

> It gets him through the day and his expert-on-all-topics posts.

What Chris and Alan Baker hated was the simple fact of how iOS updates.

Hence, the only way they could deal with that fact was to lie about it and
claim that Safari and iOS updates are not indelibly intertwined after all.

And yet, they are, so only two assessments are possible of these iKooks:
a. They really are that stupid (i.e., they don't know how Safari updates)
b. Or, they simply lied (Why? I don't know why. You tell me why they lied.)

Either way, it's proof of what I've always said about these iKooks:
*The _entire_ belief system of these iKooks is completely imaginary!*

The fact remains:
Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.

The result being:
Of all common consumer operating systems, *iOS updates die soonest*.

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 by: John - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 00:25 UTC

On 8/11/2022 3:11 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>> The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.
>
> FACTS
>
> 1. It was shown, with facts, iOS is _different_ from all others OS's.
> 2. Specifically, default apps such as Safari are _only_ updated with iOS.
> 3. All other modern operating systems do NOT do something that primitive.
>
> ASSESSMENT:
> a. You can't update the default apps on iOS when you can't update iOS.
> b. Yet, you _can_ update the default apps on all others no matter what.
> c. Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.
>
> Hence, any intelligent adult would be forced to agree to the facts:
> *Apple operating systems die _far sooner_ than all other OS's do*

Facts: Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.

Android? Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 01:38 UTC

John wrote:

> On 8/11/2022 3:11 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.
>>
>> FACTS
>>
>> 1. It was shown, with facts, iOS is _different_ from all others OS's.
>> 2. Specifically, default apps such as Safari are _only_ updated with iOS.
>> 3. All other modern operating systems do NOT do something that primitive.
>>
>> ASSESSMENT:
>> a. You can't update the default apps on iOS when you can't update iOS.
>> b. Yet, you _can_ update the default apps on all others no matter what.
>> c. Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.
>>
>> Hence, any intelligent adult would be forced to agree to the facts:
>> *Apple operating systems die _far sooner_ than all other OS's do*
>
> Facts: Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.
>
> Android? Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.

Adults process FACTS, "John"... may I assume you're an adult?
1. Then, what if I told you there was a Santa at the mall today?
2. Would you use that single fact to declare Santa Claus is real?

Yes?
Well then, "John"...

There are _many_ facts which form an _adult_ belief system, "John".
Not just a single fact.

Children form belief systems based on a single fact.
Adults are supposed to be able to do more than that.

The reason for bringing up Santa is that _adults_ are different from
children in that adults can process a _set_ of related facts.

FACTS:
A. iOS is a monolith
B. Android is not

RELATED FACTS:
A. Safari is updated with iOS (and vice versa)
B. Chrome is not

MORE RELATED FACTS:
A. Safari is _the_ (only) default browser on iOS
B. Chrome is the (main) default browser on Android

EVEN MORE RELATED FACTS:
A. SAFARI updates die far sooner than do Chrome updates.
B. On _all_ operating systems, Chrome updates last longer.

Oh My.
Time to prove whether you own _adult_ comprehension of facts.

Either you agree iOS support dies soonest, or you don't agree.

If you don't agree because your argument is Safaris isn't updated along
with iOS and that nobody wants Safari and that it's not the default browser
and that you don't need a browser anyway and that you can update Safari
outside of iOS, then you're an iKook who
a. Either knows nothing about iOS,
b. Or hates what he does know about iOS.
(pick one)

If your argument is that Safari isn't part of iOS, then either
a. You're lying, or,
b. You're ignorant.

Because it is.

You don't know anything about iOS if _that_ is your argument, "John".
a. Either you're ignorant that iOS is a monolith, or,
b. You're not ignorant, and then you're lying about iOS support.
(Pick one)

It's easy for adults to see that *iOS dies soonest* of them all.

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 by: Your Name - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 06:25 UTC

On 2022-08-12 00:25:37 +0000, John said:
> On 8/11/2022 3:11 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>>
>>> The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.
>>
>> FACTS
>>
>> 1. It was shown, with facts, iOS is _different_ from all others OS's.
>> 2. Specifically, default apps such as Safari are _only_ updated with iOS.
>> 3. All other modern operating systems do NOT do something that primitive.
>>
>> ASSESSMENT:
>> a. You can't update the default apps on iOS when you can't update iOS.
>> b. Yet, you _can_ update the default apps on all others no matter what.
>> c. Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.
>>
>> Hence, any intelligent adult would be forced to agree to the facts:
>> *Apple operating systems die _far sooner_ than all other OS's do*
>
> Facts: Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.
>
> Android? Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.

Please don't confuse the mentally deficient with actual facts. ;-)

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 by: CDB - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:43 UTC

On 8/11/2022 10:08 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> John wrote:
>
>> On 8/11/2022 3:11 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> John wrote:
>>>
>>>> The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.
>>>
>>> FACTS
>>>
>>> 1. It was shown, with facts, iOS is _different_ from all others OS's.
>>> 2. Specifically, default apps such as Safari are _only_ updated with iOS.
>>> 3. All other modern operating systems do NOT do something that primitive.
>>>
>>> ASSESSMENT:
>>> a. You can't update the default apps on iOS when you can't update iOS.
>>> b. Yet, you _can_ update the default apps on all others no matter what.
>>> c. Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.
>>>
>>> Hence, any intelligent adult would be forced to agree to the facts:
>>> *Apple operating systems die _far sooner_ than all other OS's do*
>>
>> Facts: Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.
>>
>> Android? Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.
>
> Adults process FACTS, "John"... may I assume you're an adult?
> 1. Then, what if I told you there was a Santa at the mall today?
> 2. Would you use that single fact to declare Santa Claus is real?
>
> Yes? or No?
> There's an _adult_ point in asking that childish question of you, "John".
>
> There are _many_ facts which form an _adult_ belief system, "John".
> Not just from a single fact.
>
> And certainly not from a single fact that a very clever Apple marketing
> organization has fed you to believe (because they omitted all the _rest_ of
> the salient facts, that's why).
>
> Is your belief system that iOS does _not_ die soonest of all common
> consumer operating systems based on only a single fact, or on multiple
> facts?
>
> The reason is that there are more facts to consider in terms of how long an
> operating system is updated when one updates _only_ as a synchronous
> primitive stone-age monolith while all the rest of the consumer operating
> systems update in the modern process which makes use of asynchronous
> layers.
>
> With that background in hand, let's get to the facts, shall we "John"?
>
> Children form belief systems based on a single fact.
> Adults are supposed to be able to do more than that.
>
> The reason for bringing up Santa is that _adults_ are different from
> children in that adults can process a _set_ of related facts.
>
> FACTS:
> A. iOS is a monolith
> B. Android is not
>
> RELATED FACTS:
> A. Safari is updated with iOS (and vice versa)
> B. Chrome is not
>
> MORE RELATED FACTS:
> A. Safari is _the_ (only) default browser on iOS
> B. Chrome is the (main) default browser on Android
>
> EVEN MORE RELATED FACTS:
> A. SAFARI updates die far sooner than do Chrome updates.
> B. On _all_ operating systems, Chrome updates last longer.
>
> Oh My!
> Those are inconvenient facts, indeed.
>
> Now it's time to prove whether you own _adult_ comprehension of facts.
> *Either you agree _iOS support dies soonest_, or you don't agree.*
>
> Given it's clearly a fact that:
> *Safari update support dies _soonest_*
> And, it's a fact that:
> *Safari is _only_ updated with the iOS updates*
>
> If you don't agree because your argument is Safaris isn't updated along
> with iOS and that nobody wants Safari and that it's not the default browser
> and that you don't need a browser anyway and that you can update Safari
> outside of iOS, then you're an iKook who
> a. Either knows nothing about iOS,
> b. Or hates what he does know about iOS.
> (pick one)
>
> If your argument is that Safari isn't part of iOS, then either
> a. You're lying, or,
> b. You're ignorant.
>
> Because it is.
>
> You don't know anything about iOS if _that_ is your argument, "John".
> a. Either you're ignorant that iOS is a monolith, or,
> b. You're not ignorant, and then you're lying about iOS support.
> (Pick one)
>
> It's easy for adults to see that *iOS dies soonest* of them all.
> REFERENCES in the sig.

Your argument logically holds true only if people accept Safari updates
occur within iOS updates.

Otherwise if they update Safari outside of iOS, your logic falls flat.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 14:48 UTC

On 2022-08-11 15:11, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>> The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.
>
> FACTS
>
> 1. It was shown, with facts, iOS is _different_ from all others OS's.

No. It wasn't.

> 2. Specifically, default apps such as Safari are _only_ updated with iOS.

Which has nothing to do with the OS

> 3. All other modern operating systems do NOT do something that primitive.

Which is nothing to do with iOS

>
> ASSESSMENT:
> a. You can't update the default apps on iOS when you can't update iOS.

True. So?

> b. Yet, you _can_ update the default apps on all others no matter what.

False.

> c. Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.

False.

>
> Hence, any intelligent adult would be forced to agree to the facts:
> *Apple operating systems die _far sooner_ than all other OS's do*

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 by: Sail Fisherman - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:29 UTC

On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 18:25:29 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> scrit:
> On 2022-08-12 00:25:37 +0000, John said:
>> On 8/11/2022 3:11 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> John wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.
>>>
>>> FACTS
>>>
>>> 1. It was shown, with facts, iOS is _different_ from all others OS's.
>>> 2. Specifically, default apps such as Safari are _only_ updated with iOS.
>>> 3. All other modern operating systems do NOT do something that primitive.
>>>
>>> ASSESSMENT:
>>> a. You can't update the default apps on iOS when you can't update iOS.
>>> b. Yet, you _can_ update the default apps on all others no matter what.
>>> c. Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.
>>>
>>> Hence, any intelligent adult would be forced to agree to the facts:
>>> *Apple operating systems die _far sooner_ than all other OS's do*
>>
>> Facts: Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.
>>
>> Android? Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.
>
> Please don't confuse the mentally deficient with actual facts. ;-)

It's you who is mentally deficient if you don't know how safari updates.

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 by: Your Name - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 22:11 UTC

On 2022-08-12 15:29:00 +0000, Sail Fisherman said:

> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 18:25:29 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> scrit:
>> On 2022-08-12 00:25:37 +0000, John said:
>>> On 8/11/2022 3:11 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.
>>>>
>>>> FACTS
>>>>
>>>> 1. It was shown, with facts, iOS is _different_ from all others OS's.
>>>> 2. Specifically, default apps such as Safari are _only_ updated with iOS.
>>>> 3. All other modern operating systems do NOT do something that primitive.
>>>>
>>>> ASSESSMENT:
>>>> a. You can't update the default apps on iOS when you can't update iOS.
>>>> b. Yet, you _can_ update the default apps on all others no matter what.
>>>> c. Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.
>>>>
>>>> Hence, any intelligent adult would be forced to agree to the facts:
>>>> *Apple operating systems die _far sooner_ than all other OS's do*
>>>
>>> Facts: Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.
>>>
>>> Android? Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.
>>
>> Please don't confuse the mentally deficient with actual facts. ;-)
>
> It's you who is mentally deficient if you don't know how safari updates.

Oh "goody" the moronic troll has either changed it's name or found an
equally stupid friend. Either way, welcome to the killfile. :-\

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 by: John - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 02:05 UTC

On 8/11/2022 6:38 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>> On 8/11/2022 3:11 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> John wrote:
>>>
>>>> The WinNutjobs are extremely low IQ.
>>>
>>> FACTS
>>>
>>> 1. It was shown, with facts, iOS is _different_ from all others OS's.
>>> 2. Specifically, default apps such as Safari are _only_ updated with
>>> iOS.
>>> 3. All other modern operating systems do NOT do something that
>>> primitive.
>>>
>>> ASSESSMENT:
>>> a. You can't update the default apps on iOS when you can't update iOS.
>>> b. Yet, you _can_ update the default apps on all others no matter what.
>>> c. Only iOS uses the primitive stone-age monolithic update mechanism.
>>>
>>> Hence, any intelligent adult would be forced to agree to the facts:
>>> *Apple operating systems die _far sooner_ than all other OS's do*
>>
>> Facts:   Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.
>>
>> Android?   Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.
>
> Adults process FACTS, "John"... may I assume you're an adult?
> 1. Then, what if I told you there was a Santa at the mall today?
> 2. Would you use that single fact to declare Santa Claus is real?
>
> Yes? Well then, "John"...
> There are _many_ facts which form an _adult_ belief system, "John".
> Not just a single fact.
>
> Children form belief systems based on a single fact.
> Adults are supposed to be able to do more than that.
> The reason for bringing up Santa is that _adults_ are different from
> children in that adults can process a _set_ of related facts.
>
> FACTS:
> A. iOS is a monolith
> B. Android is not
>
> RELATED FACTS:
> A. Safari is updated with iOS (and vice versa)
> B. Chrome is not
>
> MORE RELATED FACTS:
> A. Safari is _the_ (only) default browser on iOS
> B. Chrome is the (main) default browser on Android
>
> EVEN MORE RELATED FACTS:
> A. SAFARI updates die far sooner than do Chrome updates.
> B. On _all_ operating systems, Chrome updates last longer.
>
> Oh My.
> Time to prove whether you own _adult_ comprehension of facts.
>
> Either you agree iOS support dies soonest, or you don't agree.
>
> If you don't agree because your argument is Safaris isn't updated along
> with iOS and that nobody wants Safari and that it's not the default browser
> and that you don't need a browser anyway and that you can update Safari
> outside of iOS, then you're an iKook who
> a. Either knows nothing about iOS, b. Or hates what he does know about iOS.
>   (pick one)
>
> If your argument is that Safari isn't part of iOS, then either
> a. You're lying, or, b. You're ignorant.
>
> Because it is.
>
> You don't know anything about iOS if _that_ is your argument, "John".
> a. Either you're ignorant that iOS is a monolith, or, b. You're not
> ignorant, and then you're lying about iOS support.
>   (Pick one)
>
> It's easy for adults to see that *iOS dies soonest* of them all.

Noticed you completely ignored the facts I presented: IOS updates for
five years. Android version updates for two years MAX.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 03:49 UTC

John wrote:

> Noticed you completely ignored the facts I presented: IOS updates for
> five years. Android version updates for two years MAX.

FACTS
*No other common consumer operating system dies _sooner_ than does iOS*

What's interesting is how _ignorant_ all the iKooks are of basic facts:
a. These iKooks don't understand how iOS updates, and, even worse,
b. These iKooks don't understand how Android updates.

However *it's good that you agree that iOS dies sooner than does Android*
when you look at _all_ the facts being presented, not just one of them.

There's a reason I mentioned children believe that if they see a Santa at
the mall, then that must mean that Santa exists and he travels around the
world in a sleigh drawn by reindeer, one of whom has a red bulbous nose.

You are like that child who formed a belief system based on a single fact
(and yet, even _that_ single fact is dead wrong - but it doesn't matter).

Adults, on the other hand, form a belief system based on more than 1 fact.

Even your one fact above is dead wrong - but it doesn't really matter since
the other facts completely contradict your entire imaginary belief system.

HINT: Samsung pledges 4 OS updates, 5 years of patches
<https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_pledges_4_os_updates_5_years_of_patches_for_2021_and_2022_flagships-news-53070.php>

Another fact is Safari support is far shorter than support for Chrome.
Worse, almost _all_ the default iOS apps have far shorter support.

The result of taking all the facts into account is the unassailable fact:
*No other common consumer operating system dies _sooner_ than does iOS*

That's just a fact.
You _hate_ that fact.

But the fact you hate that fact doesn't change the fact that fact is a fact.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 04:13 UTC

On 2022-08-12, John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> Facts: Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.
>
> Android? Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.

It's actually longer for iPhones, as they typically get iOS updates for
4–6 years before Apple stops supporting them:

<https://www.statista.com/chart/5824/ios-iphone-compatibility/>

--
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 by: JAB - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 05:51 UTC

On 14 Aug 2022 04:13:13 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>>
>> Facts: Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.
>>
>> Android? Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.
>
> It's actually longer for iPhones, as they typically get iOS updates for
> 4�V6 years before Apple stops supporting them:
>
> <https://www.statista.com/chart/5824/ios-iphone-compatibility/>

Wrong.

My Samsung Galaxy S22 is updated for over five years.
It's supported up to at least 2027, which is longer than iOS support.

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 by: nospam - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 10:41 UTC

In article <tda2ge$1sv9$1@gioia.aioe.org>, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

> My Samsung Galaxy S22 is updated for over five years.
> It's supported up to at least 2027,

that's an exception, and only because they're trying to catch up with
apple.

also, it's four years of android updates and five years of security
patches, and only 'select devices', not all samsung phones.

<https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s22-s21-and-more-get-four-
years-of-os-updates/>
Samsung had made a huge announcement today regarding software
updates. The company has confirmed at its Unpacked event that it will
now provide four years of Android OS upgrades to select devices.

other android phones are less, typically 2-3 years of support, and a
few even less.

> which is longer than iOS support.

except it isn't.

the iphone 6s, released in 2015, is still getting full ios updates in
2022, nearly *seven* years later, and likely to get security patches
for another year, possibly longer.

the iphone 5s, released in 2013, received security updates until about
a year ago, or *eight* years of support.

samsung's claim of 4 years of updates and 5 years of security patches
is great, but it's not as long as ios.

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 by: Bob Campbell - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 13:20 UTC

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> the iphone 5s, released in 2013, received security updates until about
> a year ago, or *eight* years of support.

Indeed. I have an iPhone 5 that still works fine. Released in 2012. 10
years old. Eat that, troll boy.

Anyways, it received an iOS update in 2020 for the GPS date rollover issue.
The poor fools stuck on Android can only dream of such support.

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 by: JAB - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 14:02 UTC

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 13:20:44 +0000, Bob Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:

> Indeed. I have an iPhone 5 that still works fine. Released in 2012. 10
> years old. Eat that, troll boy.
>
> Anyways, it received an iOS update in 2020 for the GPS date rollover issue.
> The poor fools stuck on Android can only dream of such support.

My Samsung Galaxy S22 is scheduled to be updated up to at least 2027.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 15:47 UTC

On 2022-08-14, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
> On 14 Aug 2022 04:13:13 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Facts: Apple will provide you an IOS update for 5 years.
>>>
>>> Android? Maybe two years of OS version updates if you are lucky.
>>
>> It's actually longer for iPhones, as they typically get iOS updates
>> for 4�V6 years before Apple stops supporting them:
>>
>> <https://www.statista.com/chart/5824/ios-iphone-compatibility/>
>
> Wrong.

I'm 100% right. I said nothing about Android in my post.

BTW, your news client sucks ass, fucking up simple hyphen characters the
way it does above.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: nospam - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 16:05 UTC

In article <rq2cnU33iqwxa2X_nZ2dnZfqn_vNnZ2d@supernews.com>, Bob
Campbell <none@none.none> wrote:

>
> > the iphone 5s, released in 2013, received security updates until about
> > a year ago, or *eight* years of support.
>
> Indeed. I have an iPhone 5 that still works fine. Released in 2012. 10
> years old. Eat that, troll boy.
>
> Anyways, it received an iOS update in 2020 for the GPS date rollover issue.
> The poor fools stuck on Android can only dream of such support.

i forgot about that one. another good example.

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 by: nospam - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 16:05 UTC

In article <tdav9b$gjp$1@gioia.aioe.org>, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

>
> > Indeed. I have an iPhone 5 that still works fine. Released in 2012. 10
> > years old. Eat that, troll boy.
> >
> > Anyways, it received an iOS update in 2020 for the GPS date rollover issue.
> > The poor fools stuck on Android can only dream of such support.
>
> My Samsung Galaxy S22 is scheduled to be updated up to at least 2027.

math is hard.

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 by: JAB - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 17:37 UTC

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:05:37 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>>> Indeed. I have an iPhone 5 that still works fine. Released in 2012. 10
>>> years old. Eat that, troll boy.
>>>
>>> Anyways, it received an iOS update in 2020 for the GPS date rollover issue.
>>> The poor fools stuck on Android can only dream of such support.
>>
>> My Samsung Galaxy S22 is scheduled to be updated up to at least 2027.
>
> math is hard.

Math is hard.

For you.

The important S22 native apps are updated at least until 2037.

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 by: JAB - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 17:41 UTC

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:05:35 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>>> the iphone 5s, released in 2013, received security updates until about
>>> a year ago, or *eight* years of support.
>>
>> Indeed. I have an iPhone 5 that still works fine. Released in 2012. 10
>> years old. Eat that, troll boy.
>>
>> Anyways, it received an iOS update in 2020 for the GPS date rollover issue.
>> The poor fools stuck on Android can only dream of such support.
>
> i forgot about that one. another good example.

Math is hard. For you.
For important S22 native apps, full support is scheduled at least to 2037.


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