In article <tdbbsn$1pah$1@gioia.aioe.org>, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

> >>> Indeed. I have an iPhone 5 that still works fine. Released in 2012.
> >>> 10
> >>> years old. Eat that, troll boy.
> >>>
> >>> Anyways, it received an iOS update in 2020 for the GPS date rollover
> >>> issue.
> >>> The poor fools stuck on Android can only dream of such support.
> >>
> >> My Samsung Galaxy S22 is scheduled to be updated up to at least 2027.
> >
> > math is hard.
>
> Math is hard.
>
> For you.
>
> The important S22 native apps are updated at least until 2037.

maybe even 2047.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <tdav9b$gjp$1@gioia.aioe.org>, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Indeed. I have an iPhone 5 that still works fine. Released in 2012. 10
>>> years old. Eat that, troll boy.
>>>
>>> Anyways, it received an iOS update in 2020 for the GPS date rollover issue.
>>> The poor fools stuck on Android can only dream of such support.
>>
>> My Samsung Galaxy S22 is scheduled to be updated up to at least 2027.
>
> math is hard.

Not only is math obviously hard for the dim-witted, Androidiot troll child,
but “scheduled to be updated” is not the same as “been happening on iOS for
many years now”.

At best, Samsung is desperately trying to catch up to Apple. Again.

On 2022-08-14 13:20:44 +0000, Bob Campbell said:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> the iphone 5s, released in 2013, received security updates until about
>> a year ago, or *eight* years of support.
>
> Indeed. I have an iPhone 5 that still works fine. Released in 2012. 10
> years old. Eat that, troll boy.
>
> Anyways, it received an iOS update in 2020 for the GPS date rollover issue.
> The poor fools stuck on Android can only dream of such support.

My old Apple PowerMac G3 lasted me 20 years before it died with a
hardware fault. Although it obviously didn't get OS updates for that
entire time, it did go from MacOS 8 through to MacOS X 10.2.
Unofficially it could have run MacOS X 10.3 as well.

On 8/14/2022 3:41 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article <tda2ge$1sv9$1@gioia.aioe.org>, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> My Samsung Galaxy S22 is updated for over five years.
>> It's supported up to at least 2027,
>
> that's an exception, and only because they're trying to catch up with
> apple.
>
> also, it's four years of android updates and five years of security
> patches, and only 'select devices', not all samsung phones.
>
> <https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s22-s21-and-more-get-four-
> years-of-os-updates/>
> Samsung had made a huge announcement today regarding software
> updates. The company has confirmed at its Unpacked event that it will
> now provide four years of Android OS upgrades to select devices.
>
> other android phones are less, typically 2-3 years of support, and a
> few even less.
>
>> which is longer than iOS support.
>
> except it isn't.
>
> the iphone 6s, released in 2015, is still getting full ios updates in
> 2022, nearly *seven* years later, and likely to get security patches
> for another year, possibly longer.
>
> the iphone 5s, released in 2013, received security updates until about
> a year ago, or *eight* years of support.
>
> samsung's claim of 4 years of updates and 5 years of security patches
> is great, but it's not as long as ios.

When I had Samsung junk tablet back around 2014 I got only one Android
version update. Since when do they give you 4 years?

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> My old Apple PowerMac G3 lasted me 20 years before it died with a
> hardware fault. Although it obviously didn't get OS updates for that
> entire time, it did go from MacOS 8 through to MacOS X 10.2.
> Unofficially it could have run MacOS X 10.3 as well.

I have a G4 Mirror Drive Door Power Mac that still works fine. I replaced
the Power supply a couple years ago. Running MacOS 9 of course.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 20:16:04 -0700, John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> On 8/14/2022 3:41 AM, nospam wrote:
>> In article <tda2ge$1sv9$1@gioia.aioe.org>, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> My Samsung Galaxy S22 is updated for over five years.
>>> It's supported up to at least 2027,
>>
>> that's an exception, and only because they're trying to catch up with
>> apple.
>>
>> also, it's four years of android updates and five years of security
>> patches, and only 'select devices', not all samsung phones.
>>
>> <https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s22-s21-and-more-get-four-
>> years-of-os-updates/>
>> Samsung had made a huge announcement today regarding software
>> updates. The company has confirmed at its Unpacked event that it will
>> now provide four years of Android OS upgrades to select devices.
>>
>> other android phones are less, typically 2-3 years of support, and a
>> few even less.
>>
>>> which is longer than iOS support.
>>
>> except it isn't.
>>
>> the iphone 6s, released in 2015, is still getting full ios updates in
>> 2022, nearly *seven* years later, and likely to get security patches
>> for another year, possibly longer.
>>
>> the iphone 5s, released in 2013, received security updates until about
>> a year ago, or *eight* years of support.
>>
>> samsung's claim of 4 years of updates and 5 years of security patches
>> is great, but it's not as long as ios.
>
> When I had Samsung junk tablet back around 2014 I got only one Android
> version update. Since when do they give you 4 years?

Samsung Android OS & patch updates have changed a lot in recent years.

Not only do Samsung Android OS & security updates last over five years but
the app updates including app security updates have always lasted for well
over ten to fifteen more years AFTER the five year Android OS updates stop.

On 2022-08-15, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> My old Apple PowerMac G3 lasted me 20 years before it died with a
>> hardware fault. Although it obviously didn't get OS updates for that
>> entire time, it did go from MacOS 8 through to MacOS X 10.2.
>> Unofficially it could have run MacOS X 10.3 as well.
>
> I have a G4 Mirror Drive Door Power Mac that still works fine. I
> replaced the Power supply a couple years ago. Running MacOS 9 of
> course.

I still have an Apple Lisa with Macintosh XL conversion that runs fine
to this day. : )

I still have the Mac SE/30 my father purchased back in the 1980s that
runs fine today, and runs a web server 24/7 that you can visit and see a
screenshot of the web server log right on the webpage:
<http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>

I'm not sure how any of this is relevant to the initial discussion
though...

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

In article <DLudnS2xFM3aJ2T_nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@giganews.com>, John
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> > <https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s22-s21-and-more-get-four-
> > years-of-os-updates/>
> > Samsung had made a huge announcement today regarding software
> > updates. The company has confirmed at its Unpacked event that it will
> > now provide four years of Android OS upgrades to select devices.
> >
> > other android phones are less, typically 2-3 years of support, and a
> > few even less.

>
> When I had Samsung junk tablet back around 2014 I got only one Android
> version update. Since when do they give you 4 years?

it's new, and only for 'select devices', not all samsung models.

see above link.

In article <tdcfra$tie$1@gioia.aioe.org>, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

> >>
> >> <https://www.sammobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s22-s21-and-more-get-four-
> >> years-of-os-updates/>
> >> Samsung had made a huge announcement today regarding software
> >> updates. The company has confirmed at its Unpacked event that it will
> >> now provide four years of Android OS upgrades to select devices.
> >>

>
> Not only do Samsung Android OS & security updates last over five years

not according to samsung, they don't.

it's four years for the os and five years for security patches, and
only for *select* *devices*, not all samsung models.

other android phones have shorter support, generally 2-3 years, some as
little as 1 year.

> but
> the app updates including app security updates have always lasted for well
> over ten to fifteen more years AFTER the five year Android OS updates stop.

no they haven't, nor is it even possible for there to be 'over ten to
fifteen more years' of app updates after the five year android updates
stop, which would be more than 15-20 years of support, when the first
android phone, the t-mobile g1 (aka htc dream), was released only 14
years ago, in september, 2008.

math is hard.

On 2022-08-15 03:16:04 +0000, John said:
>
> When I had Samsung junk tablet back around 2014 I got only one Android
> version update. Since when do they give you 4 years?

Since they saw that Apple gives you more than one or two years. ;-)

Samsung, Microsoft, etc. rarely do anything themselves and simply keep
copying Apple, and often failing at that (Microsoft MP3 player being a
"good" example). Even when they do attempt to do something themselves,
it's usually so hopeless that it is quickly dropped because nobody buys
them.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:25:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>> Android used to be negligent at security updates for the operating system
>> and for the old important apps like the browser, mail client and messenger
>> just like iOS was/is terrible at updating the security of old apps but the
>> difference is Android app security update has improved while iOS has not.
>
> The difference is that Android is non-working crap, while iOS is not.

You said Android copied Apple (and they did) when Android updated their
operating system and system security updates for five years but in the same
sentence you said you don't want Apple to copy Android which often gives
the Android owners ten to fifteen years of application security updates?

> Now f-off and stopposting this troll garbage everywhere!!

Why wouldn't you want your iOS applications to be updated for many years
after the operating system is no longer being updated like Android does?

On 2022-08-18 21:14:15 +0000, JAB said:

> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:25:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>>> Android used to be negligent at security updates for the operating system
>>> and for the old important apps like the browser, mail client and messenger
>>> just like iOS was/is terrible at updating the security of old apps but the
>>> difference is Android app security update has improved while iOS has not.
>>
>> The difference is that Android is non-working crap, while iOS is not.
>
> You said Android copied Apple (and they did) when Android updated their
> operating system and system security updates for five years but in the same
> sentence you said you don't want Apple to copy Android which often gives
> the Android owners ten to fifteen years of application security updates?
>
>> Now f-off and stopposting this troll garbage everywhere!!
>
> Why wouldn't you want your iOS applications to be updated for many years
> after the operating system is no longer being updated like Android does?

Another braindead troll added to the killfile.

On 2022-08-18 14:14, JAB wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 08:25:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>>> Android used to be negligent at security updates for the operating system
>>> and for the old important apps like the browser, mail client and messenger
>>> just like iOS was/is terrible at updating the security of old apps but the
>>> difference is Android app security update has improved while iOS has not.
>>
>> The difference is that Android is non-working crap, while iOS is not.
>
> You said Android copied Apple (and they did) when Android updated their
> operating system and system security updates for five years but in the same
> sentence you said you don't want Apple to copy Android which often gives
> the Android owners ten to fifteen years of application security updates?

Assumes facts not in evidence.

The first release of Android was in September 2008, so it has been 15
years yet.

>
>> Now f-off and stopposting this troll garbage everywhere!!
>
> Why wouldn't you want your iOS applications to be updated for many years
> after the operating system is no longer being updated like Android does?

You've yet to show that actually happens.

Weird, huh?

In article <tdma29$dvc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

>
> Why wouldn't you want your iOS applications to be updated for many years
> after the operating system is no longer being updated

they are.

however, that's up to the app developer, not apple.

In article <tdmaht$15o09$1@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> > sentence you said you don't want Apple to copy Android which often gives
> > the Android owners ten to fifteen years of application security updates?
>
> Assumes facts not in evidence.
>
> The first release of Android was in September 2008, so it has been 15
> years yet.

the motorola droid from 2009 stopped getting updates in 2011 or so,
then google later nixed android marketplace, so even using that phone
today, it's stuck with whatever os and apps are on it

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 09:21:17 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> Another braindead troll added to the killfile.

You said Android copied Apple on the five years of OS & security updates.
I agreed with you.

I brought up the similar idea that Apple should think about copying Android
on the ten or more years of app security updates.

You plonked me for that app security improvement suggestion.
That says much about you.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:25:27 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> the motorola droid from 2009 stopped getting updates in 2011 or so,
> then google later nixed android marketplace, so even using that phone
> today, it's stuck with whatever os and apps are on it

Buy an expensive iOS iPhone today.
Buy an expensive Android phone today.

The iOS and Android operating system and patches last about the same time.
But the iOS app security updates do not.

App security updates on Android will last ~ten years longer than on iOS.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:25:24 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> Why wouldn't you want your iOS applications to be updated for many years
>> after the operating system is no longer being updated
>
> they are.
>
> however, that's up to the app developer, not apple.

Not for the Apple apps like the messenger, mail & the web browser it's not.
Android app updates last ~10 years longer than do iOS app security updates.

In article <tdmb9m$s66$1@gioia.aioe.org>, JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

>
> The iOS and Android operating system and patches last about the same time.

no they don't.

>
> App security updates on Android will last ~ten years longer than on iOS.

no it won't.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:02:29 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> The iOS and Android operating system and patches last about the same time.
>
> no they don't.

Yes they do.
It's about 5 years for OS & patches for similar price Android & iOS phones.

>> App security updates on Android will last ~ten years longer than on iOS.
>
> no it won't.

Yes they will.
Most app security updates occur ~ten years longer on Android than on iOS.

On 2022-08-18 21:32:37 +0000, JAB said:

> On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 09:21:17 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> Another braindead troll added to the killfile.
>
> You said Android copied Apple on the five years of OS & security updates.
> I agreed with you.
>
> I brought up the similar idea that Apple should think about copying Android
> on the ten or more years of app security updates.
>
> You plonked me for that app security improvement suggestion.
> That says much about you.

Ahh, the typical idiotic troll changes his posting name. What a
braindead fuckwit!:-\

Another example where iOS apps are always the shortest lived of all common
consumer operating systems came up today when Steve mentioned the iPhone16.
*Is Astrophotography Coming to the iPhone 14/iOS 16?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/AXaIL5WZ4qY>

Almost all of Android is open sourced, so it's easy for people to port the
best Google apps (such as the ones Steve talked about iOS maybe getting).

As always, Android lasts (nearly) forever while iOS apps... well...
*iOS just dies*

Sorry. While Android apps live on (essentially) forever... your iOS apps...
*They just die*
--
The weakness of all the iKooks is that they hate all facts about Apple iOS.

On 2022-08-26 09:06, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Another example where iOS apps are always the shortest lived of all common
> consumer operating systems came up today when Steve mentioned the iPhone16.
> *Is Astrophotography Coming to the iPhone 14/iOS 16?*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/AXaIL5WZ4qY>
>
> Almost all of Android is open sourced, so it's easy for people to port the
> best Google apps (such as the ones Steve talked about iOS maybe getting).
>
> As always, Android lasts (nearly) forever while iOS apps... well...
> *iOS just dies*
>
> Sorry. While Android apps live on (essentially) forever... your iOS
> apps...     *They just die*

Unsupported assertions in just this one post:

1. "Almost all of Android is open sourced"

2. "Android apps live on (essentially) forever"