On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy, right? After all, everyone drives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League Baseball
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists tell me that racing a car is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardest thing they’ve ever done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raced how hard they think it Would be,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mountain highway, or across the country.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve received responses like, “How hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could it be? I drive every day, and it’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not hard.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Oh, and:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jets. All those other things I’ve done in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving the twisties on the Tail of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California. In other words, it’s nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like it.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get your attention. What I did yesterday not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so much, but does take training.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone who is both a pilot and an accomplished
>>>>>>>>>>>> racing driver, and highly respect racing
>>>>>>>>>>>> driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
>>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges
>>>>>>>>>>> and training. Both are potentially deadly to the
>>>>>>>>>>> unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I really do
>>>>>>>>>>> not think you can compare which is more
>>>>>>>>>>> difficult. Just too different.
>>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
>>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not capable
>>>>>>>>>>> of winning the auto races you run. Could I drive
>>>>>>>>>>> around the track at something faster than
>>>>>>>>>>> everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
>>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision
>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
>>>>>>>>>> crosswind at night in heavy rain."...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
>>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait to read the next one, if there is
>>>>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my
>>>>>>>>>>> last email is still an open issue. Are you ever
>>>>>>>>>>> going to resolve it? I'm checking on a regular
>>>>>>>>>>> basis.
>>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
>>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
>>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was
>>>>>>>>> catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
>>>>>>>>> Star.
>>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of
>>>>>>>> relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his
>>>>>>>>> Cessna. He made a mistake performing what should have
>>>>>>>>> been a routine landing in good weather.
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
>>>>>>>> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride
>>>>>>>>> to a highly experienced pilot who made the same
>>>>>>>>> mistake in a 172. I caught it and made him do a
>>>>>>>>> go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
>>>>>>>>> landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
>>>>>>>>> That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer
>>>>>>>>> flying for CAP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
>>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course curve
>>>>>>>>> versus an instrument approach. Race driving is more
>>>>>>>>> intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
>>>>>>>>> up to the point where accumulated errors kill you.
>>>>>>>>> The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience with
>>>>>>>>> piloting aircraft you are just plain lying making any
>>>>>>>>> person judgements on how difficult it can be.
>>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience,
>>>>>>>> Little Shit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting,
>>>>>>>>> very much in the public domain, and potentially very
>>>>>>>>> damning to your CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and
>>>>>>>>> it ceases to be an issue. It's has been dragging on
>>>>>>>>> for years after all. :-)
>>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
>>>>>>>>> It was almost painless and no activity restrictions.
>>>>>>>>> It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I
>>>>>>>>> was on the way to hospital when the famous CRV
>>>>>>>>> incident occurred. But you have health care waiting
>>>>>>>>> lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you
>>>>>>>>> would already have that fixed. :)
>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
>>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
>>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking at
>>>>>>> the aircraft race records. The only long-term case
>>>>>>> available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
>>>>>>> the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
>>>>>>> Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal
>>>>>>> accidents. How many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race
>>>>>>> circuit had in its existence?
>>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little
>>>>>> Shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
>>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing
>>>>> race cars to non race flying. My point continues to be that
>>>>> flying can be as intense as racing cars, but admittedly for
>>>>> brief periods. An apple-to-apples race car/aircraft
>>>>> comparison shows that aircraft are likely more intense and
>>>>> dangerous than cars. Consider that racing aircraft can
>>>>> routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal accident
>>>>> record. High g forces break things.
>>>> That's not the way this went down.
>>>>
>>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that
>>>> your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
>>>>
>>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration
>>>> that racing.
>>>>
>>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
>>>> NEVER DONE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience
>>>>> while I have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman
>>>>> car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
>>>> Wow.
>>>>
>>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
>>>> once?
>>>
>>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
>>> support. And no, I did not spin.
>> Nope.
>>
>> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little
>> Shit.
>>
>> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
>>
>> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
>>
>> ...all...
>>
>> ...the...
>>
>> ...time.
>
> Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but only
> when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and black. You
> lied again.

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy, right? After all, everyone drives.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League Baseball
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pitchers, brain surgeons, and even rocket
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scientists tell me that racing a car is the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardest thing they’ve ever done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> raced how hard they think it Would be,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ll likely relate it to having driven a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mountain highway, or across the country.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve received responses like, “How hard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could it be? I drive every day, and it’s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not hard.”
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jets. All those other things I’ve done in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sky are, at most, flying’s version of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving the twisties on the Tail of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> California. In other words, it’s nothing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like it.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> crosswind at night in heavy rain. That will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get your attention. What I did yesterday not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so much, but does take training.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than
> >>>>>>>>>>>> someone who is both a pilot and an accomplished
> >>>>>>>>>>>> racing driver, and highly respect racing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges
> >>>>>>>>>>> and training. Both are potentially deadly to the
> >>>>>>>>>>> unlucky, untrained, and unprepared. I really do
> >>>>>>>>>>> not think you can compare which is more
> >>>>>>>>>>> difficult. Just too different.
> >>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not capable
> >>>>>>>>>>> of winning the auto races you run. Could I drive
> >>>>>>>>>>> around the track at something faster than
> >>>>>>>>>>> everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
> >>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision
> >>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot
> >>>>>>>>>> crosswind at night in heavy rain."...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
> >>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race narratives.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Can't wait to read the next one, if there is
> >>>>>>>>>>> one.
> >>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery,
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid you'll have to wait until June.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my
> >>>>>>>>>>> last email is still an open issue. Are you ever
> >>>>>>>>>>> going to resolve it? I'm checking on a regular
> >>>>>>>>>>> basis.
> >>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
> >>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
> >>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was
> >>>>>>>>> catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and 7-time All
> >>>>>>>>> Star.
> >>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of
> >>>>>>>> relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his
> >>>>>>>>> Cessna. He made a mistake performing what should have
> >>>>>>>>> been a routine landing in good weather.
> >>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> >>>>>>>> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride
> >>>>>>>>> to a highly experienced pilot who made the same
> >>>>>>>>> mistake in a 172. I caught it and made him do a
> >>>>>>>>> go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down from the
> >>>>>>>>> landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
> >>>>>>>>> That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer
> >>>>>>>>> flying for CAP.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
> >>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course curve
> >>>>>>>>> versus an instrument approach. Race driving is more
> >>>>>>>>> intense, flying gives you more time. More time right
> >>>>>>>>> up to the point where accumulated errors kill you.
> >>>>>>>>> The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience with
> >>>>>>>>> piloting aircraft you are just plain lying making any
> >>>>>>>>> person judgements on how difficult it can be.
> >>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience,
> >>>>>>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting,
> >>>>>>>>> very much in the public domain, and potentially very
> >>>>>>>>> damning to your CSMA/RSG reputation. Just fix it and
> >>>>>>>>> it ceases to be an issue. It's has been dragging on
> >>>>>>>>> for years after all. :-)
> >>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017.
> >>>>>>>>> It was almost painless and no activity restrictions.
> >>>>>>>>> It took all of a week from diagnosis to surgery. I
> >>>>>>>>> was on the way to hospital when the famous CRV
> >>>>>>>>> incident occurred. But you have health care waiting
> >>>>>>>>> lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you
> >>>>>>>>> would already have that fixed. :)
> >>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
> >>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
> >>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking at
> >>>>>>> the aircraft race records. The only long-term case
> >>>>>>> available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
> >>>>>>> the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents.
> >>>>>>> Here is the record of those Reno Air Race fatal
> >>>>>>> accidents. How many fatal accidents has your SCCBC race
> >>>>>>> circuit had in its existence?
> >>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little
> >>>>>> Shit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think you do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
> >>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing
> >>>>> race cars to non race flying. My point continues to be that
> >>>>> flying can be as intense as racing cars, but admittedly for
> >>>>> brief periods. An apple-to-apples race car/aircraft
> >>>>> comparison shows that aircraft are likely more intense and
> >>>>> dangerous than cars. Consider that racing aircraft can
> >>>>> routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal accident
> >>>>> record. High g forces break things.
> >>>> That's not the way this went down.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest that
> >>>> your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
> >>>>
> >>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and concentration
> >>>> that racing.
> >>>>
> >>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
> >>>> NEVER DONE.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience
> >>>>> while I have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman
> >>>>> car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
> >>>> Wow.
> >>>>
> >>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
> >>>> once?
> >>>
> >>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
> >>> support. And no, I did not spin.
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO, Little
> >> Shit.
> >>
> >> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
> >>
> >> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
> >>
> >> ...all...
> >>
> >> ...the...
> >>
> >> ...time.
> >
> > Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but only
> > when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and black. You
> > lied again.
> Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and chequered"
> flag, Little Shit.
>
> The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is and
> advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
>
> The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in their
> own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean "stop racing"
> >
> > Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather flying
> > is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most people
> > could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to be
> > competitive with experienced drivers.
> That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
> >
> > Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in 1
> > hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety pilot.
> > You can see the track at https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264
> > for a few days until the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent
> > flight available without a paid subscription.
> "simulated" with a safety pilot...
>
> ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
> >
> > Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold entry,
> > LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2 miles out
> > for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a landing. We
> > wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other aircraft practicing
> > that one so we had to invent a plan B.
> Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were spent
> level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL, correct?
> >
> > You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then transitioning
> > to the next task. No time to rest for over an hour.
> >
> > Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
> > Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope out
> > braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would finish.
> And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
>
> And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that race
> track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument flying to
> what we were discussing.
>
> You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while other
> cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have) go flying
> past you.
>
> This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
>
> I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
> racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
> Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
>
> ...and you still want to argue the point.
>
> CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
>
> Yes. From time to time.
>
> Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
>
> Nope. Not unless you're:
>
> Flying aerobatics...
>
> ...or fighter jets...
>
> ...or air racing.

On 2023-05-07 06:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be easy, right? After all, everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even rocket scientists tell me that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ve ever done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never raced how hard they think it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having driven a mountain highway, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the country. I’ve received
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses like, “How hard could it be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Oh, and:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighter jets. All those other things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Highway 1 in Northern California. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will get your attention. What I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than someone who is both a pilot and an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplished racing driver, and highly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24 Hours of Daytona)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipped)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and training. Both are potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of winning the auto races you run.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could I drive around the track at something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But compete? No.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a
>>>>>>>>>>>> non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>> rain."...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race
>>>>>>>>>>>>> narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is one.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
>>>>>>>>>>>> surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
>>>>>>>>>>>> June.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my last email is still an open issue. Are you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regular basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
>>>>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
>>>>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
>>>>>>>>>>> was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
>>>>>>>>>>> 7-time All Star.
>>>>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
>>>>>>>>>> of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
>>>>>>>>>>> his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
>>>>>>>>>>> should have been a routine landing in good
>>>>>>>>>>> weather.
>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
So he wasn't a very good pilot?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
>>>>>>>>>>> checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
>>>>>>>>>>> the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
>>>>>>>>>>> him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
>>>>>>>>>>> down from the landing checklist and then never
>>>>>>>>>>> extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
>>>>>>>>>>> saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
>>>>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course
>>>>>>>>>>> curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
>>>>>>>>>>> is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
>>>>>>>>>>> time right up to the point where accumulated
>>>>>>>>>>> errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
>>>>>>>>>>> it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience
>>>>>>>>>>> with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
>>>>>>>>>>> making any person judgements on how difficult it
>>>>>>>>>>> can be.
>>>>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal
>>>>>>>>>> experience, Little Shit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very
>>>>>>>>>>> interesting, very much in the public domain, and
>>>>>>>>>>> potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
>>>>>>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
>>>>>>>>>>> all. :-)
>>>>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017. It was almost painless and no activity
>>>>>>>>>>> restrictions. It took all of a week from
>>>>>>>>>>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
>>>>>>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
>>>>>>>>>>> But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
>>>>>>>>>>> :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
>>>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
>>>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
>>>>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
>>>>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
>>>>>>>>> at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
>>>>>>>>> case available is Reno, and this year is the last
>>>>>>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
>>>>>>>>> accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
>>>>>>>>> fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
>>>>>>>>> SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
>>>>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
>>>>>>>> Little Shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think you do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
>>>>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
>>>>>>> comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
>>>>>>> continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
>>>>>>> cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
>>>>>>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
>>>>>>> aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
>>>>>>> Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
>>>>>>> more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
>>>>>>> forces break things.
>>>>>> That's not the way this went down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
>>>>>> that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and
>>>>>> concentration that racing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
>>>>>> NEVER DONE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying
>>>>>>> experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
>>>>>>> Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
>>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
>>>>>> once?
>>>>>
>>>>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
>>>>> support. And no, I did not spin.
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO,
>>>> Little Shit.
>>>>
>>>> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
>>>>
>>>> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
>>>>
>>>> ...all...
>>>>
>>>> ...the...
>>>>
>>>> ...time.
>>>
>>> Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
>>> only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
>>> black. You lied again.
>> Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
>> chequered" flag, Little Shit.
>>
>> The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
>> and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
>>
>> The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
>> their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
>> "stop racing"
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
>>> flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
>>> people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
>>> be competitive with experienced drivers.
>> That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
>>>
>>> Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
>>> 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
>>> pilot. You can see the track at
>>> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
>>> the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
>>> without a paid subscription.
>> "simulated" with a safety pilot...
>>
>> ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
>>>
>>> Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
>>> entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
>>> miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
>>> landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
>>> aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
>> Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
>> spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
>> correct?
>>>
>>> You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
>>> transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
>>> hour.
>>>
>>> Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
>>> Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
>>> out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
>>> finish.
>> And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
>>
>> And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
>> race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
>> flying to what we were discussing.
>>
>> You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
>> other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
>> go flying past you.
>>
>> This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
>>
>> I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
>> racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
>> Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
>>
>> ...and you still want to argue the point.
>>
>> CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
>>
>> Yes. From time to time.
>>
>> Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
>>
>> Nope. Not unless you're:
>>
>> Flying aerobatics...
>>
>> ...or fighter jets...
>>
>> ...or air racing.
>
> I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
> difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
> very stressful, but still want to argue the point.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-07 06:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be easy, right? After all, everyone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even rocket scientists tell me that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ve ever done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never raced how hard they think it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having driven a mountain highway, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the country. I’ve received
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses like, “How hard could it be?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighter jets. All those other things
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Highway 1 in Northern California. In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will get your attention. What I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than someone who is both a pilot and an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplished racing driver, and highly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24 Hours of Daytona)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipped)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and training. Both are potentially
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of winning the auto races you run.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could I drive around the track at something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But compete? No.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rain."...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
> >>>>>>>>>>>> June.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my last email is still an open issue. Are you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular basis.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
> >>>>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
> >>>>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
> >>>>>>>>>>> was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
> >>>>>>>>>>> 7-time All Star.
> >>>>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
> >>>>>>>>>> of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
> >>>>>>>>>>> his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
> >>>>>>>>>>> should have been a routine landing in good
> >>>>>>>>>>> weather.
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
> >>>>>>>>>>> checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
> >>>>>>>>>>> the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
> >>>>>>>>>>> him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
> >>>>>>>>>>> down from the landing checklist and then never
> >>>>>>>>>>> extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
> >>>>>>>>>>> saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
> >>>>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course
> >>>>>>>>>>> curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
> >>>>>>>>>>> is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
> >>>>>>>>>>> time right up to the point where accumulated
> >>>>>>>>>>> errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
> >>>>>>>>>>> it up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience
> >>>>>>>>>>> with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
> >>>>>>>>>>> making any person judgements on how difficult it
> >>>>>>>>>>> can be.
> >>>>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal
> >>>>>>>>>> experience, Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very
> >>>>>>>>>>> interesting, very much in the public domain, and
> >>>>>>>>>>> potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> >>>>>>>>>>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
> >>>>>>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
> >>>>>>>>>>> all. :-)
> >>>>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017. It was almost painless and no activity
> >>>>>>>>>>> restrictions. It took all of a week from
> >>>>>>>>>>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
> >>>>>>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
> >>>>>>>>>>> But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
> >>>>>>>>>>> :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> >>>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> >>>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
> >>>>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
> >>>>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
> >>>>>>>>> at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
> >>>>>>>>> case available is Reno, and this year is the last
> >>>>>>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
> >>>>>>>>> accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
> >>>>>>>>> fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
> >>>>>>>>> SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
> >>>>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
> >>>>>>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think you do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
> >>>>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
> >>>>>>> comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
> >>>>>>> continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
> >>>>>>> cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> >>>>>>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
> >>>>>>> aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
> >>>>>>> Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
> >>>>>>> more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
> >>>>>>> forces break things.
> >>>>>> That's not the way this went down.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
> >>>>>> that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and
> >>>>>> concentration that racing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
> >>>>>> NEVER DONE.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying
> >>>>>>> experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
> >>>>>>> Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
> >>>>>> Wow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
> >>>>>> once?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
> >>>>> support. And no, I did not spin.
> >>>> Nope.
> >>>>
> >>>> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO,
> >>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...all...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...the...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...time.
> >>>
> >>> Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
> >>> only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
> >>> black. You lied again.
> >> Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
> >> chequered" flag, Little Shit.
> >>
> >> The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
> >> and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
> >>
> >> The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
> >> their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
> >> "stop racing"
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
> >>> flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
> >>> people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
> >>> be competitive with experienced drivers.
> >> That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
> >>> 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
> >>> pilot. You can see the track at
> >>> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
> >>> the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
> >>> without a paid subscription.
> >> "simulated" with a safety pilot...
> >>
> >> ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
> >>>
> >>> Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
> >>> entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
> >>> miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
> >>> landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
> >>> aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
> >> Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
> >> spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
> >> correct?
> >>>
> >>> You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
> >>> transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
> >>> hour.
> >>>
> >>> Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
> >>> Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
> >>> out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
> >>> finish.
> >> And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
> >>
> >> And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
> >> race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
> >> flying to what we were discussing.
> >>
> >> You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
> >> other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
> >> go flying past you.
> >>
> >> This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
> >>
> >> I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
> >> racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
> >> Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
> >>
> >> ...and you still want to argue the point.
> >>
> >> CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
> >>
> >> Yes. From time to time.
> >>
> >> Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
> >>
> >> Nope. Not unless you're:
> >>
> >> Flying aerobatics...
> >>
> >> ...or fighter jets...
> >>
> >> ...or air racing.
> >
> > I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
> > difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
> > very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
> You're a liar, Little Shit.
>
> That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
> >
> > Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> > airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> > while using a vision limiting device.
>
> Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> made.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-07 06:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be easy, right? After all, everyone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even rocket scientists tell me that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ve ever done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never raced how hard they think it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having driven a mountain highway, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the country. I’ve received
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses like, “How hard could it be?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighter jets. All those other things
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Highway 1 in Northern California. In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will get your attention. What I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than someone who is both a pilot and an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplished racing driver, and highly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24 Hours of Daytona)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipped)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and training. Both are potentially
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of winning the auto races you run.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could I drive around the track at something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But compete? No.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rain."...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
> >>>>>>>>>>>> June.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my last email is still an open issue. Are you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular basis.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
> >>>>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
> >>>>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
> >>>>>>>>>>> was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
> >>>>>>>>>>> 7-time All Star.
> >>>>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
> >>>>>>>>>> of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
> >>>>>>>>>>> his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
> >>>>>>>>>>> should have been a routine landing in good
> >>>>>>>>>>> weather.
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
> >>>>>>>>>>> checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
> >>>>>>>>>>> the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
> >>>>>>>>>>> him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
> >>>>>>>>>>> down from the landing checklist and then never
> >>>>>>>>>>> extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
> >>>>>>>>>>> saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
> >>>>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course
> >>>>>>>>>>> curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
> >>>>>>>>>>> is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
> >>>>>>>>>>> time right up to the point where accumulated
> >>>>>>>>>>> errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
> >>>>>>>>>>> it up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience
> >>>>>>>>>>> with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
> >>>>>>>>>>> making any person judgements on how difficult it
> >>>>>>>>>>> can be.
> >>>>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal
> >>>>>>>>>> experience, Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very
> >>>>>>>>>>> interesting, very much in the public domain, and
> >>>>>>>>>>> potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> >>>>>>>>>>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
> >>>>>>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
> >>>>>>>>>>> all. :-)
> >>>>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017. It was almost painless and no activity
> >>>>>>>>>>> restrictions. It took all of a week from
> >>>>>>>>>>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
> >>>>>>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
> >>>>>>>>>>> But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
> >>>>>>>>>>> :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> >>>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> >>>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
> >>>>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
> >>>>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
> >>>>>>>>> at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
> >>>>>>>>> case available is Reno, and this year is the last
> >>>>>>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
> >>>>>>>>> accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
> >>>>>>>>> fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
> >>>>>>>>> SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
> >>>>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
> >>>>>>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think you do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
> >>>>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
> >>>>>>> comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
> >>>>>>> continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
> >>>>>>> cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> >>>>>>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
> >>>>>>> aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
> >>>>>>> Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
> >>>>>>> more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
> >>>>>>> forces break things.
> >>>>>> That's not the way this went down.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
> >>>>>> that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and
> >>>>>> concentration that racing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
> >>>>>> NEVER DONE.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying
> >>>>>>> experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
> >>>>>>> Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
> >>>>>> Wow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
> >>>>>> once?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
> >>>>> support. And no, I did not spin.
> >>>> Nope.
> >>>>
> >>>> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO,
> >>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...all...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...the...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...time.
> >>>
> >>> Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
> >>> only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
> >>> black. You lied again.
> >> Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
> >> chequered" flag, Little Shit.
> >>
> >> The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
> >> and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
> >>
> >> The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
> >> their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
> >> "stop racing"
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
> >>> flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
> >>> people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
> >>> be competitive with experienced drivers.
> >> That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
> >>> 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
> >>> pilot. You can see the track at
> >>> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
> >>> the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
> >>> without a paid subscription.
> >> "simulated" with a safety pilot...
> >>
> >> ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
> >>>
> >>> Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
> >>> entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
> >>> miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
> >>> landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
> >>> aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
> >> Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
> >> spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
> >> correct?
> >>>
> >>> You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
> >>> transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
> >>> hour.
> >>>
> >>> Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
> >>> Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
> >>> out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
> >>> finish.
> >> And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
> >>
> >> And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
> >> race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
> >> flying to what we were discussing.
> >>
> >> You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
> >> other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
> >> go flying past you.
> >>
> >> This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
> >>
> >> I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
> >> racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
> >> Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
> >>
> >> ...and you still want to argue the point.
> >>
> >> CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
> >>
> >> Yes. From time to time.
> >>
> >> Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
> >>
> >> Nope. Not unless you're:
> >>
> >> Flying aerobatics...
> >>
> >> ...or fighter jets...
> >>
> >> ...or air racing.
> >
> > I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
> > difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
> > very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
> You're a liar, Little Shit.
>
> That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
> >
> > Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> > airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> > while using a vision limiting device.
> Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> made.
> > Or that you have flown an
> > airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
> > then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
> > the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
> > PERSONAL judgement.
> >
> > This is me in a race car:
> >
> > https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
> 'Google
>
> 404. That’s an error.
>
> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
> >
> > There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
> > appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
> > to win.
> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
> give you any appreciation for what racing is.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-05-07 06:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >> On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
> > >>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be easy, right? After all, everyone
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even rocket scientists tell me that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ve ever done.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never raced how hard they think it
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having driven a mountain highway, or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the country. I’ve received
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses like, “How hard could it be?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Oh, and:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighter jets. All those other things
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Highway 1 in Northern California. In
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will get your attention. What I did
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than someone who is both a pilot and an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplished racing driver, and highly
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24 Hours of Daytona)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipped)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and training. Both are potentially
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of winning the auto races you run.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could I drive around the track at something
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But compete? No.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> rain."...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is one.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> June.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my last email is still an open issue. Are you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular basis.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
> > >>>>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
> > >>>>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
> > >>>>>>>>>>> was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 7-time All Star.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
> > >>>>>>>>>> of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
> > >>>>>>>>>>> his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
> > >>>>>>>>>>> should have been a routine landing in good
> > >>>>>>>>>>> weather.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
> > >>>>>>>>>>> checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
> > >>>>>>>>>>> him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
> > >>>>>>>>>>> down from the landing checklist and then never
> > >>>>>>>>>>> extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
> > >>>>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course
> > >>>>>>>>>>> curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
> > >>>>>>>>>>> is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
> > >>>>>>>>>>> time right up to the point where accumulated
> > >>>>>>>>>>> errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
> > >>>>>>>>>>> it up.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience
> > >>>>>>>>>>> with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
> > >>>>>>>>>>> making any person judgements on how difficult it
> > >>>>>>>>>>> can be.
> > >>>>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal
> > >>>>>>>>>> experience, Little Shit.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very
> > >>>>>>>>>>> interesting, very much in the public domain, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> > >>>>>>>>>>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
> > >>>>>>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
> > >>>>>>>>>>> all. :-)
> > >>>>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2017. It was almost painless and no activity
> > >>>>>>>>>>> restrictions. It took all of a week from
> > >>>>>>>>>>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> > >>>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> > >>>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
> > >>>>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
> > >>>>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
> > >>>>>>>>> at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
> > >>>>>>>>> case available is Reno, and this year is the last
> > >>>>>>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
> > >>>>>>>>> accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
> > >>>>>>>>> fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
> > >>>>>>>>> SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
> > >>>>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
> > >>>>>>>> Little Shit.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I think you do.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
> > >>>>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
> > >>>>>>> comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
> > >>>>>>> continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
> > >>>>>>> cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> > >>>>>>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
> > >>>>>>> aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
> > >>>>>>> Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
> > >>>>>>> more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
> > >>>>>>> forces break things.
> > >>>>>> That's not the way this went down.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
> > >>>>>> that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and
> > >>>>>> concentration that racing.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
> > >>>>>> NEVER DONE.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying
> > >>>>>>> experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
> > >>>>>>> Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
> > >>>>>> Wow.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
> > >>>>>> once?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
> > >>>>> support. And no, I did not spin.
> > >>>> Nope.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO,
> > >>>> Little Shit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...all...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...the...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...time.
> > >>>
> > >>> Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
> > >>> only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
> > >>> black. You lied again.
> > >> Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
> > >> chequered" flag, Little Shit.
> > >>
> > >> The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
> > >> and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
> > >>
> > >> The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
> > >> their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
> > >> "stop racing"
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
> > >>> flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
> > >>> people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
> > >>> be competitive with experienced drivers.
> > >> That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
> > >>>
> > >>> Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
> > >>> 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
> > >>> pilot. You can see the track at
> > >>> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
> > >>> the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
> > >>> without a paid subscription.
> > >> "simulated" with a safety pilot...
> > >>
> > >> ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
> > >>>
> > >>> Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
> > >>> entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
> > >>> miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
> > >>> landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
> > >>> aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
> > >> Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
> > >> spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
> > >> correct?
> > >>>
> > >>> You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
> > >>> transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
> > >>> hour.
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
> > >>> Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
> > >>> out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
> > >>> finish.
> > >> And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
> > >>
> > >> And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
> > >> race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
> > >> flying to what we were discussing.
> > >>
> > >> You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
> > >> other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
> > >> go flying past you.
> > >>
> > >> This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
> > >>
> > >> I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
> > >> racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
> > >> Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
> > >>
> > >> ...and you still want to argue the point.
> > >>
> > >> CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
> > >>
> > >> Yes. From time to time.
> > >>
> > >> Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
> > >>
> > >> Nope. Not unless you're:
> > >>
> > >> Flying aerobatics...
> > >>
> > >> ...or fighter jets...
> > >>
> > >> ...or air racing.
> > >
> > > I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
> > > difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
> > > very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
> > You're a liar, Little Shit.
> >
> > That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
> > >
> > > Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> > > airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> > > while using a vision limiting device.
> >
> > Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> > made.
> Because he needs to move the goalposts.
> > > Or that you have flown an
> > > airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
> > > then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
> > > the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
> > > PERSONAL judgement.
> > >
> > > This is me in a race car:
> > >
> > > https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
> > 'Google
> >
> > 404. That’s an error.
> >
> > The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
> Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
> tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
> > > There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
> > > appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
> > > to win.
> >
> > No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
> > give you any appreciation for what racing is.
> A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
> foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
> any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
> variable is eliminated.
>
> -hh

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > On 2023-05-07 06:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >> On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
> > >>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be easy, right? After all, everyone
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even rocket scientists tell me that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ve ever done.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never raced how hard they think it
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having driven a mountain highway, or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the country. I’ve received
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses like, “How hard could it be?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Oh, and:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighter jets. All those other things
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Highway 1 in Northern California. In
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will get your attention. What I did
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than someone who is both a pilot and an
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplished racing driver, and highly
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24 Hours of Daytona)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipped)
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and training. Both are potentially
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of winning the auto races you run.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could I drive around the track at something
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> But compete? No.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> rain."...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is one.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> June.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my last email is still an open issue. Are you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular basis.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
> > >>>>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
> > >>>>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
> > >>>>>>>>>>> was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 7-time All Star.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
> > >>>>>>>>>> of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
> > >>>>>>>>>>> his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
> > >>>>>>>>>>> should have been a routine landing in good
> > >>>>>>>>>>> weather.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
> > >>>>>>>>>>> checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
> > >>>>>>>>>>> him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
> > >>>>>>>>>>> down from the landing checklist and then never
> > >>>>>>>>>>> extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
> > >>>>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course
> > >>>>>>>>>>> curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
> > >>>>>>>>>>> is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
> > >>>>>>>>>>> time right up to the point where accumulated
> > >>>>>>>>>>> errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
> > >>>>>>>>>>> it up.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience
> > >>>>>>>>>>> with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
> > >>>>>>>>>>> making any person judgements on how difficult it
> > >>>>>>>>>>> can be.
> > >>>>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal
> > >>>>>>>>>> experience, Little Shit.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very
> > >>>>>>>>>>> interesting, very much in the public domain, and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> > >>>>>>>>>>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
> > >>>>>>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
> > >>>>>>>>>>> all. :-)
> > >>>>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2017. It was almost painless and no activity
> > >>>>>>>>>>> restrictions. It took all of a week from
> > >>>>>>>>>>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> > >>>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> > >>>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
> > >>>>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
> > >>>>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
> > >>>>>>>>> at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
> > >>>>>>>>> case available is Reno, and this year is the last
> > >>>>>>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
> > >>>>>>>>> accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
> > >>>>>>>>> fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
> > >>>>>>>>> SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
> > >>>>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
> > >>>>>>>> Little Shit.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I think you do.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
> > >>>>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
> > >>>>>>> comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
> > >>>>>>> continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
> > >>>>>>> cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> > >>>>>>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
> > >>>>>>> aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
> > >>>>>>> Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
> > >>>>>>> more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
> > >>>>>>> forces break things.
> > >>>>>> That's not the way this went down.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
> > >>>>>> that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and
> > >>>>>> concentration that racing.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
> > >>>>>> NEVER DONE.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying
> > >>>>>>> experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
> > >>>>>>> Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
> > >>>>>> Wow.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
> > >>>>>> once?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
> > >>>>> support. And no, I did not spin.
> > >>>> Nope.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO,
> > >>>> Little Shit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...all...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...the...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...time.
> > >>>
> > >>> Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
> > >>> only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
> > >>> black. You lied again.
> > >> Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
> > >> chequered" flag, Little Shit.
> > >>
> > >> The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
> > >> and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
> > >>
> > >> The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
> > >> their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
> > >> "stop racing"
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
> > >>> flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
> > >>> people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
> > >>> be competitive with experienced drivers.
> > >> That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
> > >>>
> > >>> Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
> > >>> 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
> > >>> pilot. You can see the track at
> > >>> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
> > >>> the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
> > >>> without a paid subscription.
> > >> "simulated" with a safety pilot...
> > >>
> > >> ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
> > >>>
> > >>> Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
> > >>> entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
> > >>> miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
> > >>> landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
> > >>> aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
> > >> Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
> > >> spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
> > >> correct?
> > >>>
> > >>> You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
> > >>> transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
> > >>> hour.
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
> > >>> Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
> > >>> out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
> > >>> finish.
> > >> And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
> > >>
> > >> And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
> > >> race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
> > >> flying to what we were discussing.
> > >>
> > >> You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
> > >> other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
> > >> go flying past you.
> > >>
> > >> This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
> > >>
> > >> I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
> > >> racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
> > >> Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
> > >>
> > >> ...and you still want to argue the point.
> > >>
> > >> CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
> > >>
> > >> Yes. From time to time.
> > >>
> > >> Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
> > >>
> > >> Nope. Not unless you're:
> > >>
> > >> Flying aerobatics...
> > >>
> > >> ...or fighter jets...
> > >>
> > >> ...or air racing.
> > >
> > > I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
> > > difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
> > > very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
> > You're a liar, Little Shit.
> >
> > That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
> > >
> > > Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> > > airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> > > while using a vision limiting device.
> >
> > Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> > made.
> Because he needs to move the goalposts.
> > > Or that you have flown an
> > > airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
> > > then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
> > > the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
> > > PERSONAL judgement.
> > >
> > > This is me in a race car:
> > >
> > > https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
> > 'Google
> >
> > 404. That’s an error.
> >
> > The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
> Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
> tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
> > > There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
> > > appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
> > > to win.
> >
> > No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
> > give you any appreciation for what racing is.
> A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
> foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
> any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
> variable is eliminated.
>
> -hh

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-07 06:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 4:07:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-05 12:36, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 6:02:20 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-04 14:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 12:01:36 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-05-02 06:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be easy, right? After all, everyone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current and former Major League
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even rocket scientists tell me that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> racing a car is the hardest thing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’ve ever done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never raced how hard they think it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be, they’ll likely relate it to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having driven a mountain highway, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across the country. I’ve received
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses like, “How hard could it be?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fighter jets. All those other things
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twisties on the Tail of the Dragon, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Highway 1 in Northern California. In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approach in a 172 to minimums with a 20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knot crosswind at night in heavy rain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will get your attention. What I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yesterday not so much, but does take
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> training.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than someone who is both a pilot and an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accomplished racing driver, and highly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Indy 500, and finishing 2nd in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24 Hours of Daytona)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which he feels is more challenging.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you know better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipped)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges and training. Both are potentially
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> compare which is more difficult. Just too
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> different.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But you, who do not do both...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> flying I do on a routine basis. I am not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> capable of winning the auto races you run.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could I drive around the track at something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than everyday speeds in my car. Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But compete? No.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> non-precision approach in a 172 to minimums
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rain."...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As for my trip description it's no more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> self-serving than your bragging race
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> narratives. Can't wait to read the next one,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> surgery, I'm afraid you'll have to wait until
> >>>>>>>>>>>> June.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my last email is still an open issue. Are you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever going to resolve it? I'm checking on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular basis.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with
> >>>>>>>>>>> relevant experience claiming that racing is more
> >>>>>>>>>>> difficult than driving. Go ask Thurmon Munson. He
> >>>>>>>>>>> was catcher for the Yankees for 11 years and
> >>>>>>>>>>> 7-time All Star.
> >>>>>>>>>> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything
> >>>>>>>>>> of relevance to the discussion, Little Shit?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed
> >>>>>>>>>>> his Cessna. He made a mistake performing what
> >>>>>>>>>>> should have been a routine landing in good
> >>>>>>>>>>> weather.
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA)
> >>>>>>>>>>> checkride to a highly experienced pilot who made
> >>>>>>>>>>> the same mistake in a 172. I caught it and made
> >>>>>>>>>>> him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps
> >>>>>>>>>>> down from the landing checklist and then never
> >>>>>>>>>>> extended the flaps. That, plus other issues I
> >>>>>>>>>>> saw, and he is no longer flying for CAP.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make
> >>>>>>>>>>> comparisons like driving through a race course
> >>>>>>>>>>> curve versus an instrument approach. Race driving
> >>>>>>>>>>> is more intense, flying gives you more time. More
> >>>>>>>>>>> time right up to the point where accumulated
> >>>>>>>>>>> errors kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look
> >>>>>>>>>>> it up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As you have no meaningful personal experience
> >>>>>>>>>>> with piloting aircraft you are just plain lying
> >>>>>>>>>>> making any person judgements on how difficult it
> >>>>>>>>>>> can be.
> >>>>>>>>>> I quoted someone who DOES have personal
> >>>>>>>>>> experience, Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As for your open issue, it's just very
> >>>>>>>>>>> interesting, very much in the public domain, and
> >>>>>>>>>>> potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> >>>>>>>>>>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an
> >>>>>>>>>>> issue. It's has been dragging on for years after
> >>>>>>>>>>> all. :-)
> >>>>>>>>>> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017. It was almost painless and no activity
> >>>>>>>>>>> restrictions. It took all of a week from
> >>>>>>>>>>> diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to
> >>>>>>>>>>> hospital when the famous CRV incident occurred.
> >>>>>>>>>>> But you have health care waiting lines in Canada.
> >>>>>>>>>>> :) Too bad. If you lived here you would already
> >>>>>>>>>>> have that fixed. :)
> >>>>>>>>>> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are
> >>>>>>>>> inserting the competitive element of racing in a car
> >>>>>>>>> compared to flying. Let's level the field by looking
> >>>>>>>>> at the aircraft race records. The only long-term
> >>>>>>>>> case available is Reno, and this year is the last
> >>>>>>>>> one. Some the last year issue is due to so many fatal
> >>>>>>>>> accidents. Here is the record of those Reno Air Race
> >>>>>>>>> fatal accidents. How many fatal accidents has your
> >>>>>>>>> SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
> >>>>>>>> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying
> >>>>>>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think you do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a
> >>>>>>> certain debt you owe? :-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I do remember, but as I have also stated you are
> >>>>>>> comparing race cars to non race flying. My point
> >>>>>>> continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing
> >>>>>>> cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An
> >>>>>>> apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that
> >>>>>>> aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars.
> >>>>>>> Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or
> >>>>>>> more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g
> >>>>>>> forces break things.
> >>>>>> That's not the way this went down.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was talking about my racing and you tried to suggest
> >>>>>> that your general aviation flying was the greater pastime.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I brought up that it requires far less focus and
> >>>>>> concentration that racing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you argued endlessly that I was wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now you want to drag the goalposts to an activity you have
> >>>>>> NEVER DONE.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course you also have essentially zero flying
> >>>>>>> experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a
> >>>>>>> Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.
> >>>>>> Wow.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 30 minutes, huh? How close to the limit? Did you spin even
> >>>>>> once?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> YOU changed the goalposts by quoting a race car driver for
> >>>>> support. And no, I did not spin.
> >>>> Nope.
> >>>>
> >>>> The subject was always racing vs the kind of flying YOU DO,
> >>>> Little Shit.
> >>>>
> >>>> And if you didn't spin, you weren't pushing limit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pushing the limit is what you do in road racing...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...all...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...the...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...time.
> >>>
> >>> Not all the time, but between the green and checkered flags but
> >>> only when other flags are shown, like yellow, blue, red and
> >>> black. You lied again.
> >> Yes: you're not racing when it's not "between the green and
> >> chequered" flag, Little Shit.
> >>
> >> The yellow flag is a local "don't race" command flag. The blue is
> >> and advisory flag and you keep racing when you see it.
> >>
> >> The red and black flags are also both command flags which each in
> >> their own way (which varies with different sanctioning bodies" mean
> >> "stop racing"
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, it's obvious that if all is going well in good weather
> >>> flying is not as stressful as driving a car in a race. But, most
> >>> people could drive a car in a race, but likely not good enough to
> >>> be competitive with experienced drivers.
> >> That's not what you claimed before, Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> Today I did, in simulated IFR weather, 4 instrument approaches in
> >>> 1 hour 10 minutes with a CFII in the right seat as the safety
> >>> pilot. You can see the track at
> >>> https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CAP1264 for a few days until
> >>> the May 5 flight drops off the list of 5 recent flight available
> >>> without a paid subscription.
> >> "simulated" with a safety pilot...
> >>
> >> ...kind of removes the stress, doesn't it?
> >>>
> >>> Those approaches were LPV 34 MQJ with missed approach and hold
> >>> entry, LNAV 16 MQJ with missed approach, VOR 33 UMP abandoned 2
> >>> miles out for conflicting traffic, then back to LNAV 16 MQJ and a
> >>> landing. We wanted to do ILS 25 MQJ but there were 2 other
> >>> aircraft practicing that one so we had to invent a plan B.
> >> Of the total flight time, 43 minutes of the 64 minute flight were
> >> spent level at an altitude of 724m ASL or about 1,500 feet AGL,
> >> correct?
> >>>
> >>> You are 100% engaged in setting up and monitoring then
> >>> transitioning to the next task. No time to rest for over an
> >>> hour.
> >>>
> >>> Can you fly those approaches? I could drive your #21 at Mission
> >>> Raceway. Not win a race, but I know how to hit an apex and scope
> >>> out braking points. I would probably finish last, but I would
> >>> finish.
> >> And driving a car is a skill most of us possess, you Little Shit.
> >>
> >> And what you forget is that you don't get to drive around that
> >> race track in isolation if you want to suddenly compare instrument
> >> flying to what we were discussing.
> >>
> >> You get to try and hit all those braking points and apexes while
> >> other cars (even Formula Vees with have the horsepower you'd have)
> >> go flying past you.
> >>
> >> This whole thing is HILARIOUS.
> >>
> >> I pointed you at an article by someone who is BOTH an accomplished
> >> racing driver and racing driving coach—winner at the 24 Hours of
> >> Daytona, AND an experienced pilot...
> >>
> >> ...and you still want to argue the point.
> >>
> >> CAN flying require the same level of focus as racing?
> >>
> >> Yes. From time to time.
> >>
> >> Does it involve that level of focus all the time you're flying.
> >>
> >> Nope. Not unless you're:
> >>
> >> Flying aerobatics...
> >>
> >> ...or fighter jets...
> >>
> >> ...or air racing.
> >
> > I do not argue that cruising on the highway or in the air is less
> > difficult and stressful than a car race. You admit that flying can be
> > very stressful, but still want to argue the point.
> You're a liar, Little Shit.
>
> That is PRECISELY the argument you started out making.
> >
> > Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> > airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> > while using a vision limiting device.
> Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> made.
> > Or that you have flown an
> > airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
> > then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
> > the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
> > PERSONAL judgement.
> >
> > This is me in a race car:
> >
> > https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
> 'Google
>
> 404. That’s an error.
>
> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
> >
> > There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
> > appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
> > to win.
> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
> give you any appreciation for what racing is.

On 2023-05-07 12:49, Thomas E. wrote:

>>> This is me in a race car:
>>>
>>> https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
>> 'Google
>>
>> 404. That’s an error.
>>
>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
>>>
>>> There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
>>> appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
>>> to win.
>> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
>> give you any appreciation for what racing is.
>
> I was racing with 10 other cars. It was intense. New link, this one should work.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gBvplQ_KLd2Akddq99PKvEpnxsw-ffRw/view?usp=share_link

You're not just a liar...

....you're an incompetent liar.

First of all, that's a link to your so-call "problem" with Siri.

Second, when you want directions from Siri, start with "directions to"
or "navigate to".

Third (and back on topic):

No sanctioning body in the litigation-happy US of A would ever let
anyone race...

....without a racing license.

On 2023-05-07 12:51, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>> This is me in a race car:
>>>>
>>>> https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
>>> 'Google
>>>
>>> 404. That’s an error.
>>>
>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
>> Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
>> tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
>>>> There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
>>>> appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
>>>> to win.
>>> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
>>> give you any appreciation for what racing is.
>> A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
>> foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
>> any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
>> variable is eliminated.
>>
>> -hh
> HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner. NOTHING like autocross, where I have more experience than on a oval.

Name the sanctioning body that allows wheel-to-wheel racing...

....without a racing license.

On 2023-05-07 13:03, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
>>> appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
>>> to win.
>> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
>> give you any appreciation for what racing is.
> Below what limit? Limit? We were racing for a trophy. I was going faster than about half the field.

So you were average...

....in a field of beginners.

And what was the sanctioning body, Little Shit?

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 3:51:28 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> > > > airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> > > > while using a vision limiting device.
> > >
> > > Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> > > made.
> > Because he needs to move the goalposts.
> > > > Or that you have flown an
> > > > airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
> > > > then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
> > > > the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
> > > > PERSONAL judgement.
> > > >
> > > > This is me in a race car:
> > > >
> > > > https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
> > > 'Google
> > >
> > > 404. That’s an error.
> > >
> > > The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
> >
> > Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
> > tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)

The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.

> > > > There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
> > > > appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
> > > > to win.
> > >
> > > No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
> > > give you any appreciation for what racing is.
> >
> > A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
> > foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
> > any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
> > variable is eliminated.
>
> HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.

Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
while using a vision limiting device?

> NOTHING like autocross, ..

Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.

> ..where I have more experience than on an oval.

Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.

-hh

On 2023-05-07 13:50, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 3:51:28 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
>>>>> airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
>>>>> while using a vision limiting device.
>>>>
>>>> Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
>>>> made.
>>> Because he needs to move the goalposts.
>>>>> Or that you have flown an
>>>>> airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
>>>>> then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
>>>>> the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
>>>>> PERSONAL judgement.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is me in a race car:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
>>>> 'Google
>>>>
>>>> 404. That’s an error.
>>>>
>>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
>>>
>>> Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
>>> tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
>
> The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
>
>>>>> There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
>>>>> appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
>>>>> to win.
>>>>
>>>> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
>>>> give you any appreciation for what racing is.
>>>
>>> A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
>>> foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
>>> any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
>>> variable is eliminated.
>>
>> HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
>
> Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
> while using a vision limiting device?

LOL!

>
>> NOTHING like autocross, ..
>
> Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
> as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
> close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
> is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.

And he's admitted he was only average at best.

I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
to do his fastest lap.

I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.

>
>> ..where I have more experience than on an oval.
>
> Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
> as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
> may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.

For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
against other drivers directly.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:58:29 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-07 13:50, -hh wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 3:51:28 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> >>>>> airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> >>>>> while using a vision limiting device.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> >>>> made.
> >>> Because he needs to move the goalposts.
> >>>>> Or that you have flown an
> >>>>> airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
> >>>>> then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
> >>>>> the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
> >>>>> PERSONAL judgement.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is me in a race car:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
> >>>> 'Google
> >>>>
> >>>> 404. That’s an error.
> >>>>
> >>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
> >>>
> >>> Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
> >>> tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
> >
> > The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
> >
> >>>>> There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
> >>>>> appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
> >>>>> to win.
> >>>>
> >>>> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
> >>>> give you any appreciation for what racing is.
> >>>
> >>> A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
> >>> foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
> >>> any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
> >>> variable is eliminated.
> >>
> >> HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
> >
> > Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
> > while using a vision limiting device?
> LOL!
> >
> >> NOTHING like autocross, ..
> >
> > Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
> > as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
> > close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
> > is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.
> And he's admitted he was only average at best.
>
> I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
> here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
> to do his fastest lap.
>
> I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
> body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
> actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.
> >
> >> ..where I have more experience than on an oval.
> >
> > Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
> > as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
> > may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State..
> For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
> it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
> against other drivers directly.

No Alan, you suspect wrong, here are photos of the race as we lined up for the start, and my car in the lead with 3 others on the track:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ezj7Ln-fpxsqH9o6YizsZzfsxYXkM5N/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kbYVbjLC37cXKYBOmVXJyWelGW0f9HJK/view?usp=share_link

I purchased an extra package that let me do 25 times laps on my own too.

On 2023-05-07 15:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:58:29 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-07 13:50, -hh wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 3:51:28 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
>>>>>>> airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
>>>>>>> while using a vision limiting device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
>>>>>> made.
>>>>> Because he needs to move the goalposts.
>>>>>>> Or that you have flown an
>>>>>>> airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
>>>>>>> then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
>>>>>>> the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
>>>>>>> PERSONAL judgement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is me in a race car:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
>>>>>> 'Google
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 404. That’s an error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
>>>>> tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
>>>
>>> The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
>>>
>>>>>>> There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
>>>>>>> appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
>>>>>>> to win.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
>>>>>> give you any appreciation for what racing is.
>>>>>
>>>>> A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
>>>>> foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
>>>>> any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
>>>>> variable is eliminated.
>>>>
>>>> HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
>>>
>>> Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
>>> while using a vision limiting device?
>> LOL!
>>>
>>>> NOTHING like autocross, ..
>>>
>>> Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
>>> as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
>>> close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
>>> is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.
>> And he's admitted he was only average at best.
>>
>> I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
>> here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
>> to do his fastest lap.
>>
>> I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
>> body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
>> actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.
>>>
>>>> ..where I have more experience than on an oval.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
>>> as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
>>> may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.
>> For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
>> it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
>> against other drivers directly.
>
> No Alan, you suspect wrong, here are photos of the race as we lined up for the start, and my car in the lead with 3 others on the track:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ezj7Ln-fpxsqH9o6YizsZzfsxYXkM5N/view?usp=sharing
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kbYVbjLC37cXKYBOmVXJyWelGW0f9HJK/view?usp=share_link
>
> I purchased an extra package that let me do 25 times laps on my own too.

Sorry, but lined up in the pit lane is not "lined up for the start".

And you've already admitted you were only average...

....in a field of beginners.

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:59:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-05-07 15:13, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:58:29 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-07 13:50, -hh wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 3:51:28 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
> >>>>>>> airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
> >>>>>>> while using a vision limiting device.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
> >>>>>> made.
> >>>>> Because he needs to move the goalposts.
> >>>>>>> Or that you have flown an
> >>>>>>> airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
> >>>>>>> then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
> >>>>>>> the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
> >>>>>>> PERSONAL judgement.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is me in a race car:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
> >>>>>> 'Google
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 404. That’s an error.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
> >>>>> tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
> >>>
> >>> The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
> >>>
> >>>>>>> There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
> >>>>>>> appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
> >>>>>>> to win.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
> >>>>>> give you any appreciation for what racing is.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
> >>>>> foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
> >>>>> any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
> >>>>> variable is eliminated.
> >>>>
> >>>> HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
> >>>
> >>> Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
> >>> while using a vision limiting device?
> >> LOL!
> >>>
> >>>> NOTHING like autocross, ..
> >>>
> >>> Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
> >>> as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
> >>> close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
> >>> is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities..
> >> And he's admitted he was only average at best.
> >>
> >> I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
> >> here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
> >> to do his fastest lap.
> >>
> >> I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
> >> body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
> >> actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.
> >>>
> >>>> ..where I have more experience than on an oval.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
> >>> as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
> >>> may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.
> >> For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
> >> it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
> >> against other drivers directly.
> >
> > No Alan, you suspect wrong, here are photos of the race as we lined up for the start, and my car in the lead with 3 others on the track:
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ezj7Ln-fpxsqH9o6YizsZzfsxYXkM5N/view?usp=sharing
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kbYVbjLC37cXKYBOmVXJyWelGW0f9HJK/view?usp=share_link
> >
> > I purchased an extra package that let me do 25 times laps on my own too..
> Sorry, but lined up in the pit lane is not "lined up for the start".
>
> And you've already admitted you were only average...
> ...in a field of beginners.

Alan, there is a picture taken by my wife of me and three other cars racing on the track.

On 2023-05-08 16:18, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 6:59:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-05-07 15:13, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:58:29 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-07 13:50, -hh wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 3:51:28 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 1:35:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, please show evidence that you have flown an airplane, any
>>>>>>>>> airplane, for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches with
>>>>>>>>> while using a vision limiting device.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why? You've just admitted its irrelevant to the argument you originally
>>>>>>>> made.
>>>>>>> Because he needs to move the goalposts.
>>>>>>>>> Or that you have flown an
>>>>>>>>> airplane other than a single trip around the airport in good weather
>>>>>>>>> then a landing. In other words, that you have personally experienced
>>>>>>>>> the stress levels and possess the skills required to even make a
>>>>>>>>> PERSONAL judgement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is me in a race car:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://photos.google.com/search/car%20race/photo/AF1QipMsu3_cVim9l1foWYjT3LCHpSkmXDjndw4ch0C4
>>>>>>>> 'Google
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 404. That’s an error.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if it exists, it doesn’t substantiate the other goalposts that Tom
>>>>>>> tried to put on aircraft flight (an hour, instruments, rtc)
>>>>>
>>>>> The new link wasn't of open wheel racing.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There were about 10 other cars on the track with me that day. I do
>>>>>>>>> appreciate what is involved. It's stressful and not easy if you want
>>>>>>>>> to win.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, Little Shit. Driving around an oval at well below the limit doesn't
>>>>>>>> give you any appreciation for what racing is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A similar thing can be said of Autocross: even though it is intended to
>>>>>>> foster pushing limits, it is also typically structured to positively prevent
>>>>>>> any car from getting near another (collision risk). As such, an entire
>>>>>>> variable is eliminated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HH, we were racing EACH OTHER. The was a trophy for the winner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was this race for an hour while performing 4 instrument approaches
>>>>> while using a vision limiting device?
>>>> LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>> NOTHING like autocross, ..
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct: actual course competition against other drivers isn't the same
>>>>> as racing solo against the clock...but the latter does facilitate being
>>>>> close to the performance edge, and depending on how the track stuff
>>>>> is done, can be higher risk of spin-outs/etc even at lower velocities.
>>>> And he's admitted he was only average at best.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that what he was doing was what's called "time attack" up
>>>> here. Not actual wheel-to-wheel racing, but rather each driver is trying
>>>> to do his fastest lap.
>>>>
>>>> I have a very hard time imagining that there is any race-sanctioning
>>>> body that would allow drivers without a racing license to compete in an
>>>> actual race; not in lawsuit-happy America.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ..where I have more experience than on an oval.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I have some AutoX trophies laying around here someplace too,
>>>>> as well as some performance driving training stuff from BSR. You
>>>>> may know the latter from their tactical training classes for SS & State.
>>>> For me, I just have no interest in autocross. I fully acknowledge that
>>>> it takes a lot of skill, but nothing gets my juices flowing like racing
>>>> against other drivers directly.
>>>
>>> No Alan, you suspect wrong, here are photos of the race as we lined up for the start, and my car in the lead with 3 others on the track:
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_Ezj7Ln-fpxsqH9o6YizsZzfsxYXkM5N/view?usp=sharing
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kbYVbjLC37cXKYBOmVXJyWelGW0f9HJK/view?usp=share_link
>>>
>>> I purchased an extra package that let me do 25 times laps on my own too.
>> Sorry, but lined up in the pit lane is not "lined up for the start".
>>
>> And you've already admitted you were only average...
>> ...in a field of beginners.
>
> Alan, there is a picture taken by my wife of me and three other cars racing on the track.

No. There was a picture of four cars DRIVING on the track.

There is no proof that there was any actual racing.