On 2023-11-23 14:39, John wrote:
> On 11/23/23 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
>>> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone connected to an external converter.  Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course is no longer a comparison just between two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based music player to get the best music high fidelity off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component above
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you go
>>>>>>>>>>> to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
>>>>>>>>>> "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product
>>>>>>>>>> from anyone...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep
>>>>>>>>> going in circles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>>>
>>>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>>>
>>>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
>>>> little loser.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>
>>>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>
>>>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>
>>>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>>>
>>>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs
>>>> to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>>>
>>>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>>>
>>> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
>>> headphone products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying to
>>> smear the facts.   But that is what you always do.
>>
>> I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
>>
>> Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
>>
>> Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
>> 192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?
>
>
> I claimed Apple did not support 192/24 over its Bluetooth 5.3.

On 11/23/23 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
>> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone connected to an external converter.  Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course is no longer a comparison just between two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>> based music player to get the best music high fidelity off
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component above
>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore Android
>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you go
>>>>>>>>>> to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
>>>>>>>>> "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product from
>>>>>>>>> anyone...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep
>>>>>>>> going in circles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>>
>>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>>
>>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>>
>>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
>>> little loser.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>
>>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>
>>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>
>>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>>
>>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs
>>> to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>>
>>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>>
>> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
>> headphone products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying to
>> smear the facts.   But that is what you always do.
>
> I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
>
> Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
>
> Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
> 192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?

On 2023-11-23 15:31, John wrote:
> On 11/23/23 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
>>> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody needs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone connected to an external converter.  Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course is no longer a comparison just between two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based music player to get the best music high fidelity off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component above
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you go
>>>>>>>>>>> to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
>>>>>>>>>> "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product
>>>>>>>>>> from anyone...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep
>>>>>>>>> going in circles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>>>
>>>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>>>
>>>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
>>>> little loser.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>
>>>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>
>>>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>
>>>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>>>
>>>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone needs
>>>> to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>>>
>>>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>>>
>>> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
>>> headphone products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying to
>>> smear the facts.   But that is what you always do.
>>
>> I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
>>
>> Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
>>
>> Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
>> 192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?
>
>
>
> You are such a losewr there Micropimp.   Always pimping for Apple and
> never admitting Apple screws up.

On 11/23/2023 2:48 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-23 14:39, John wrote:
>> On 11/23/23 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a wired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphone connected to an external converter.  Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course is no longer a comparison just between two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based music player to get the best music high fidelity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off of Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you
>>>>>>>>>>>> go to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again, to
>>>>>>>>>>> "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product
>>>>>>>>>>> from anyone...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep
>>>>>>>>>> going in circles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>>>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
>>>>> little loser.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>
>>>>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>
>>>>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>>>>
>>>>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone
>>>>> needs to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>>>>
>>>> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
>>>> headphone products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying
>>>> to smear the facts.   But that is what you always do.
>>>
>>> I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
>>>
>>> Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
>>>
>>> Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
>>> 192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?
>>
>>
>> I claimed Apple did not support 192/24 over its Bluetooth 5.3.
>
> That is a lie, little loser.
>
> Here is your complete text:
>
> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
> Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy an
> Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music high
> fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple
> from an Apple fan. '
>
> Please copy and paste the passage that mentions "Bluetooth".
>
>>   Which is a true statement.
>
> Furthermore, NO PHONE supports 192khz/24-bit audio, little loser.
>
> As I have demonstrated to you.

On 2023-11-23 19:02, John wrote:
> On 11/23/2023 2:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-23 14:39, John wrote:
>>> On 11/23/23 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wired headphone connected to an external converter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of course is no longer a comparison just between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two different types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based music player to get the best music high fidelity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off of Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again,
>>>>>>>>>>>> to "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product
>>>>>>>>>>>> from anyone...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep
>>>>>>>>>>> going in circles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>>>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>>>>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
>>>>>> little loser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone
>>>>>> needs to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>>>>>
>>>>> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
>>>>> headphone products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying
>>>>> to smear the facts.   But that is what you always do.
>>>>
>>>> I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
>>>>
>>>> Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
>>>>
>>>> Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
>>>> 192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?
>>>
>>>
>>> I claimed Apple did not support 192/24 over its Bluetooth 5.3.
>>
>> That is a lie, little loser.
>>
>> Here is your complete text:
>>
>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
>> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>
>> Please copy and paste the passage that mentions "Bluetooth".
>>
>>>   Which is a true statement.
>>
>> Furthermore, NO PHONE supports 192khz/24-bit audio, little loser.
>>
>> As I have demonstrated to you.
>
>
>
> Yet you said you "proved" the iPhone supports 192/24 bit?   Hmmm.

On 2023-11-23 19:02, John wrote:
> On 11/23/2023 2:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-23 14:39, John wrote:
>>> On 11/23/23 2:36 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:57, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:46, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 1:05 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 13:01, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:46 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 12:23, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/23 12:04 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-23 11:53, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2023 10:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 23:24, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/23 3:47 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 15:43, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic discussion between a normal person and a set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the iKooks who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very strange indeed (*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "*Nobody needs it*).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One by one, the iKooks joined in, Alan Baker, Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Browne, Chris Schram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "*Nobody wants audio fidelity*" & "*Nobody
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs it*" simply because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can't get it with the iPhone using its crippled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting that you didn't quote a single word of my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your side of the conversation was silly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My side was perfectly in line with refuting what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You actually proved my original contention that iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot equal Android performance. Unless you use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wired headphone connected to an external converter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of course is no longer a comparison just between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two different types of phones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And listening to music on anything except the phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal speakers implies more than "just between" the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phones, doesn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were so dumb as to actually make an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument which ended up proving my assertion Android is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior. What a dumbass. Once again I prove to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical expert while you prove to be a troll.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A "technical expert" who couldn't clearly state what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meant...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...or far more likely, someone who didn't even know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was saying was wrong when he wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (False. iPhones do support lossless up to 192kHz/24-bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based music player to get the best music high fidelity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off of Apple Music."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or a set of wired headphones with a built-in DAC...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...like these:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.ca/Cubilux-Headphones-192KHz-Samsung-Earphones/dp/B0B7RDQ14V>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...for less than $30 Canadian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you done with your losing yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again you are requiring an additional component
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above the iPhone itself.  Android does not.  Therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android superior. End of discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "additional component" being earbuds...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which you would need in either case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you weren't done with losing yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple headphone products do not support it.  Therefore you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to Samsung, an Android maker.  LMAO!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...you started with "iPhones don't support 192kHz/24-bit
>>>>>>>>>>>> lossless audio!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted to "they
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't output it to anything!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and when that was shown to be false, you pivoted again,
>>>>>>>>>>>> to "well they can't do it over Bluetooth!"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which cannot, in fact, be done by any Bluetooth product
>>>>>>>>>>>> from anyone...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...BECAUSE BLUETOOTH CAN TRANSFER DATA AT 4.5Mbps!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thats why makers other than Apple use AptXHD or other Codecs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thats what my original complaint was about Moron.  You keep
>>>>>>>>>>> going in circles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but those CODECS are not lossless.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Straight from the source:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Audio Encoding 24-bit, up to 48kHz sampling rate'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.aptx.com/aptx-hd>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you go right on, little loser.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But sure sounds better than what Apple provides.  BIG improvement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you've basically lost all your arguments, and you're finally
>>>>>>>> admitting it. Good for you, little loser!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Questions (yes or no):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does the iPhone 15 with nothing added and using Apple headphone
>>>>>>> products meet or exceed that what is provided by Android?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NO.   End of discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's an admission that all your earlier arguments were wrong,
>>>>>> little loser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the iPhone support 192/24 lossless audio?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said "no" in your initial post. That was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output that audio from the iPhone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said you can't... ...and that was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you output 192/24 lossless audio using Bluetooth on any phone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you can't. Not even close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So anyone who wants to do 192/24 lossless audio from his phone
>>>>>> needs to use wired headphones/earbuds...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...so iPhones and Androids are exactly the same in this.
>>>>>
>>>>> By not supporting advanced codecs with iphones and with their
>>>>> headphone products Apple is certainly behind.   Nice try at trying
>>>>> to smear the facts.   But that is what you always do.
>>>>
>>>> I never said that Apple was supporting the most advanced codecs.
>>>>
>>>> Do you know what a "straw man argument" is, little loser.
>>>>
>>>> Did you claim that the iPhone 15 did not support lossless audio at
>>>> 192kHz and 24 bits; yes or no?
>>>
>>>
>>> I claimed Apple did not support 192/24 over its Bluetooth 5.3.
>>
>> That is a lie, little loser.
>>
>> Here is your complete text:
>>
>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
>> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>
>> Please copy and paste the passage that mentions "Bluetooth".
>>
>>>   Which is a true statement.
>>
>> Furthermore, NO PHONE supports 192khz/24-bit audio, little loser.
>>
>> As I have demonstrated to you.
>
>
>
> Yet you said you "proved" the iPhone supports 192/24 bit?   Hmmm.