On 2022-02-02 9:47 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Steve ran the math using slightly different numbers, and did "joe" (whom I
> suspect is Alan Baker) and now you run them, and guess what?

Look at that!

Wrong again!

On 2022-02-02 9:50 a.m., sms wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 3:23 AM, Chris wrote:
>> On 01/02/2022 19:44, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:28:29 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let me highlight it for you:
>>>
>>> The CDC definition does _NOT_ describe injection of "something" which
>>> then
>>> causes your body to create the antigen. It just doesn't.
>>
>> How else does it "induce immunity" then? It may not be explicit but it
>> is clear to all but the narrowest of interpretations.
>
> Of course that's exactly what the vaccinations do. It's also true that
> having Covid generates immunity for a short period of time, but not as
> long as a vaccination's effects last.

I would tend to disagree with that.

Vaccines by definition work by inducing the immune response that getting
the disease would induce.

So how would getting the disease NOT produce the same effect?

On 2022-02-02 11:13 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 18:55:47 +0000, Chris wrote:
>
>> A simple question which I've answered, twice.
>
> Chris,
>
> What are you higher degrees in?
> Immunology?
> Virology?
> Microbiology?
> Bacteriology?
> Genetics?
> Physiology?
> Biochemistry?
> Mycology?
> Parasitology?
>
> Hell, Chris, did you ever even take a _single_ college class of the above?
> I've taken _every_ one of those classes, Chris (and lots more).

"I've taken _every_ one of those classes" seems a very deliberate dodge,
Arlen.

Where did you take those classes? Online?

What degrees do you hold and from which institutions?

>
> What are your higher degrees, Chris?

What are yours?

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:24:40 -0800, Not Joe wrote:

> What degrees do you hold and from which institutions?

I don't bullshit.
That's for the iKooks to do.

We discussed your question in the past (ask nospam & Steve) where I emailed
Steve my cv which he should acknoledge as it contained my published papers.

As we discussed (and as Steve & nospam can confirm) Steve is under a promise
to not publish my name and address and other identifying information, but he
is welcome to respond to the question which you asked above otherwise.

HINT: Pick some of the finest schools in the country, let alone the world.

Now that we've covered that as well as privacy allows, I'm just going to ask
you this question, please:
Which college classes have you taken that had books like these please?
<https://i.postimg.cc/jjkVvNTQ/books01.jpg> Genetics, Instrumentation
<https://i.postimg.cc/cJD2dPnY/books03.jpg> Immunology, Biochem, Microbio
<https://i.postimg.cc/CKKrrJQK/books04.jpg> Simulation Analog & Digital
<https://i.postimg.cc/RVQPMjrF/books05.jpg> Custom and digital design
<https://i.postimg.cc/tRFk5L45/books06.jpg> Layout, testing, SOC modeling
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2SGzC8H/books07.jpg> Biomedical instrument design
<https://i.postimg.cc/SN3cbGv0/books08.jpg> Micro, parasitology, immuno

Please pick the classes you've taken since it's only fair given you asked me
Immunology?
Virology?
Microbiology?
Bacteriology?
Genetics?
Physiology?
Biochemistry?
Mycology?
Parasitology?

My point is the more ignorant people are, the more fearful they are.
That's fine.

The more fearful they are, the more they ignore the facts (which is why
people like Steve literally filter out all facts that he doesn't like).

This is fine, except those ignorant people have no qualification to be
telling other people what they should do.

And that.

That.
That.
That.

That is my point.

The more unqualified people are, the more they feel desperate to force
others to think the strange way that they do.
--
Bear in mind that is the topic of this thread: ignorance & force.

On 2022-02-02 11:34 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 11:24:40 -0800, Not Joe wrote:
>
>> What degrees do you hold and from which institutions?
>
> I don't bullshit.

That's not an answer.

> That's for the iKooks to do.
>
> We discussed your question in the past (ask nospam & Steve) where I emailed
> Steve my cv which he should acknoledge as it contained my published papers.

Then you can easily give us a link to that post where that discussion
that led to the email took place.

>
> As we discussed (and as Steve & nospam can confirm) Steve is under a promise
> to not publish my name and address and other identifying information, but he
> is welcome to respond to the question which you asked above otherwise.
>
> HINT: Pick some of the finest schools in the country, let alone the world.
>
> Now that we've covered that as well as privacy allows, I'm just going to ask
> you this question, please:
>
> Which college classes have you taken that had books like these please?
> <https://i.postimg.cc/jjkVvNTQ/books01.jpg> Genetics, Instrumentation
> <https://i.postimg.cc/cJD2dPnY/books03.jpg> Immunology, Biochem, Microbio
> <https://i.postimg.cc/CKKrrJQK/books04.jpg> Simulation Analog & Digital
> <https://i.postimg.cc/RVQPMjrF/books05.jpg> Custom and digital design
> <https://i.postimg.cc/tRFk5L45/books06.jpg> Layout, testing, SOC modeling
> <https://i.postimg.cc/s2SGzC8H/books07.jpg> Biomedical instrument design
> <https://i.postimg.cc/SN3cbGv0/books08.jpg> Micro, parasitology, immuno

I notice you keep referring to "college classes taken"...

....not degrees received...

....and you also don't say you've even taken those classes...

....just that you have the books.

On 2/2/2022 10:48 AM, sms wrote:
> On 2/1/2022 8:52 PM, AJL wrote:

>> we sure do have a lot of legal Canadian winter visitors (known
>> here as snowbirds) that don't seem all that worried about living
>> several months each year in our terrible awful dangerous
>> country,,,

> I grew up in a city in Florida that is one of the primary winter
> destinations for Canadians from Quebec. They aren't going to Chicago
> or Philadelphia for the winter, they're going to relatively safe
> towns with warm weather and nice beaches.

Warm weather (and no snow) is likely the main reason the Canadians come
here in the winter. Course it's not only the Canadians. We get snowbirds
from many northern states also. The bad news is they make our roads more
crowded (you can tell by the out of state plates). The good news is they
help us pay our taxes... ;)

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 12:53:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>> That explains a lot. Come back when you have a degree in something
>> biological.
>
> Idiot.
>
> I have _multiple_ higher degrees, Chris.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/jjkVvNTQ/books01.jpg> Genetics, Medical Instrumentation
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Dzzkq69w/books02.jpg> Starting with vacuum tubes
> <https://i.postimg.cc/cJD2dPnY/books03.jpg> Immunology, Biochem, Microbio
> <https://i.postimg.cc/CKKrrJQK/books04.jpg> Simulation Analog & Digital
> <https://i.postimg.cc/RVQPMjrF/books05.jpg> Custom and digital design
> <https://i.postimg.cc/tRFk5L45/books06.jpg> Layout, testing, SOC modeling
> <https://i.postimg.cc/s2SGzC8H/books07.jpg> Biomedical instrument design
> <https://i.postimg.cc/SN3cbGv0/books08.jpg> Micro, parasitology, immuno

How many times do I have to tell that reading a book is not a degree.

> What higher degrees do _you_ have, Chris?

I have a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry.

>> Much of biology, especially molecular biology, is probabilistic. Not
>> deterministic like engineering.
>
> Idiot.
>
> I _know_ more about microbiology, virology, genetics, biochemistry,
> parasitology, mycology, etc. than you'll ever know, you idiot.

Not from those books you won't. You'll know more about the history of
science though.

>> You cannot deal in absolutes in biology which is what makes it hard
>> explaining to people when the strongest words you can use are likely or
>> very likely. Or reduce significantly.
>
> I have my name on published peer-reviewed biological papers, Chris.
> (I wasn't the principle author though.)

Cite?

>> We cannot say with certainty what will or won't happen. It's all
>> likelihoods based on multimodal variables.
>
> The one thing I can do, Chris, that you can't do, is I can comprehend facts.
>
>> Also biological systems have emergent behaviours which means they respond -
>> sometimes unpredictably - to interventions. This is not simple Newtonian
>> reactions. For example we know that COVID *will* mutate, but we don't know
>> when or exactly how nor the impact.
>
> On that topic of mutation, most people are ignorant like you are Chris, in
> that they don't realize RNA viruses mutate. That's what they do.

All organisms mutate. It's the basis of natural selection and evolution.

> For reason probably unknown to you, DNA mutations are less frequent than RNA
> and this is an RNA virus (although the adenovirus used in the shots isn't).
>
> I've read a few papers on the mutations, where my assessment is twofold:
> a. The mutations that _matter_ are actually rather rare for SARC-CoV2
> b. However the RNA ball is fantastically huge so mutations _will_ happen

The RNA "ball" is not huge. It's genome is tiny. It's only 32kb (that's
bases) in length.

Simple bacteria have genomes that are megabases. The human genome is 3.2Gb
but as we're diploid every cell has two copies. Some plants have even
larger genomes.

>> Physics can exquisitely calculate how an object will react to some imparted
>> force. Only Biology can explain why, when that object is a tiger, it rips
>> your arm off.
>
> Do you want to see my Physics, Calculus, Trig & Stats books too?
> (they're the underlying stuff).

No

Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>> Your Name wrote

>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn, stupid,
>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them refuse to
>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every idiot have a
>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs, angles,
>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for "English"
>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing wrong",
>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead morons to be
>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military into other
>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>
>>>>>> And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with illegals
>>>>>> wanting to
>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>
>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>
>>>> Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to the USA
>>
>>> Really?
>> Yep.
>>
>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>> Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they arent genuine
>> tourists.
>
> That's not a source.

Corse it is.

> Show me a source complete with numbers.

Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine every
single day of this year.

On 2022-02-02 12:45 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:
> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>
>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn, stupid,
>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them refuse to
>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every idiot have a
>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs, angles,
>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for "English"
>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing wrong",
>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead morons to be
>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military into other
>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>
>>>>>>>  And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with illegals
>>>>>>> wanting to
>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>
>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>
>>>>>  Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to the USA
>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>  Yep.
>>>
>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>  Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they arent
>>> genuine tourists.
>>
>> That's not a source.
>
> Corse it is.
>
>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>
> Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine every
> single day of this year.

So you can't produce your source...

Got it.

Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 18:55:47 +0000, Chris wrote:
>
>> A simple question which I've answered, twice.
>
> Chris,
>
> What are you higher degrees in?
> Immunology?
> Virology?
> Microbiology?
> Bacteriology?
> Genetics?
> Physiology?
> Biochemistry?
> Mycology?
> Parasitology?
>
> Hell, Chris, did you ever even take a _single_ college class of the above?

"College" is not the same thing here. I went to University for 8 years for
undergrad and postgrad. I covered most of those topics plus have
collaborated in many of those areas in my research career.

> I've taken _every_ one of those classes, Chris (and lots more).

A class doesn't sound very in-depth. Can't learn much in a class.

> What are your higher degrees, Chris?

On 2022-02-02 1:21 p.m., Chris wrote:
> Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 18:55:47 +0000, Chris wrote:
>>
>>> A simple question which I've answered, twice.
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> What are you higher degrees in?
>> Immunology?
>> Virology?
>> Microbiology?
>> Bacteriology?
>> Genetics?
>> Physiology?
>> Biochemistry?
>> Mycology?
>> Parasitology?
>>
>> Hell, Chris, did you ever even take a _single_ college class of the above?
>
> "College" is not the same thing here. I went to University for 8 years for
> undergrad and postgrad. I covered most of those topics plus have
> collaborated in many of those areas in my research career.
>
>> I've taken _every_ one of those classes, Chris (and lots more).
>
> A class doesn't sound very in-depth. Can't learn much in a class.

Isn't it interesting how he dances around actually committing to having
a degree?

He's got books that were used in classes.

He's "taken classes".

But he never just says "I received my degree in X from Y university".

On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 07:48:50 +1100, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-02-02 12:45 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:
>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn, stupid,
>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them refuse to
>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every idiot have a
>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs, angles,
>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for "English"
>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing wrong",
>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead morons to be
>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military into
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with illegals
>>>>>>>> wanting to
>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>
>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to the USA
>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>> Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they arent
>>>> genuine tourists.
>>>
>>> That's not a source.
>> Corse it is.
>>
>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.

>> Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine every
>> single day of this year.
>
> So you can't produce your source...

Neither did you.

> Got it.

Nope, you never do.

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 20:37:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> How many times do I have to tell that reading a book is not a degree.

Hi Chris,

I'm not going to call you an idiot but I will say that's a stupid thing to
say.

It likely means you're desperate to create an argument where there is none.

Nonetheless, as I've said, you have done some adult things in this thread.
a. You're the only one who even _looked_ at the references, and,
b. You at least found that Singapore paper on transmission rates.

So I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt; but I do ask you to
refrain from saying such stupid things again please.

>> What higher degrees do _you_ have, Chris?
>
> I have a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry.'

OK. I'll accept that.

But I'll be looking for some evidence that you have pharmacological
background then (you know, like if I walk into your office and there's no
big fat Merck manual on the shelves, I'll start to wonder).

> Not from those books you won't. You'll know more about the history of
> science though.

Again, I'm not going to call you an idiot - but that is a stupid statement.
That statement makes me wonder if you really do have a higher degree Chris.

The fundamentals of science have not changed in recent years, Chris, and if
you actually think they have, then you are lending credence to my worry that
you may have fabricated that degree.

Nobody who is well educated in sciences would say what you said, simply
because the fundamentals of science never change appreciably.

That knowledge is what allows me to read almost any paper in any field
surrounding Covid & I can understand the vast majority of what is in that
paper.

Can you?

Before you answer, you need to realize I'm well aware you read that CDC
slideshow and you didn't even _see_ where they said that the fatality rate
for children was 99.998% so I have to wonder about your abilities, Chris.

Again, I won't call you an idiot because maybe you didn't look hard enough.
But it's there. (I'll even tell you on what page if you still can't find it
but someone with a reputed PhD in the sciences should be able to comprehend
a simple slideshow for the hoi polloi Chris.)

>> I have my name on published peer-reviewed biological papers, Chris.
>> (I wasn't the principle author though.)
>
> Cite?

Isn't gonna happen. Privacy. Suffice to say we went through this years ago
and I sent that stuff to Steve who was on his own promise to never divulge
my private information but he could divulge the schools and the degrees.

>> On that topic of mutation, most people are ignorant like you are Chris, in
>> that they don't realize RNA viruses mutate. That's what they do.
>
> All organisms mutate. It's the basis of natural selection and evolution.

Chris,
Stop saying stupid things. Just stop it. Please.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but you keep stating things
that Alan Baker would say (and he can't possibly even have a GED Chris).

If you really have that degree, you wouldn't say stupid stuff like that
because it's likely the first thing a fifth grader is taught on evolution.

I expect you to say thing befitting of someone higher than fifth grade.

Back to the point, the point was that RNA mutates more frequently than DNA.

There are good reason for that which is some of the stuff you "would" have
learned in a basic genetics class had you ever taken one. It has to do with
self repair mechanisms, if you need to know more about it.

The point is that this virus mutates at a rather slow rate for what it is,
which is _my_ assessment of multiple papers that I've read on the topic.

> The RNA "ball" is not huge. It's genome is tiny. It's only 32kb (that's
> bases) in length. Simple bacteria have genomes that are megabases.
> The human genome is 3.2Gb but as we're diploid every cell has two copies.
> Some plants have even larger genomes.

OK. That's it.
I strongly suspect you do _not_ have the degree you claim.

Nobody with the degree you claim would say something _that_ obviously wrong.
*For your edification, it's huuuuuuuuuuuge for an RNA virus!*

Astoundingly huge, Chris.

*Its genome is one of the _largest_ of all RNA viruses ever known*, Chris.
It's freaking huge, Chris. Not tiny.

Nobody who has the degree you claim you have would say what you said.
Nobody.

>>> Physics can exquisitely calculate how an object will react to some imparted
>>> force. Only Biology can explain why, when that object is a tiger, it rips
>>> your arm off.
>>
>> Do you want to see my Physics, Calculus, Trig & Stats books too?
>> (they're the underlying stuff).
>
> No

I'm still going to give you the benefit of the doubt Chris, as Usenet is an
off the cuff medium, but if you continue to say things that nobody who is
well educated in virology would say, then I'll call you out on it.

You may claim my virology textbooks are old, but the human coronavirus
existed, even then, as it has been well studied since about the 1960s.
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw8V0jfj/books10.jpg>

The fact you claim its genome is tiny when it's astoundingly huge
means you likely googled for the size but you lack the educational
background to realize how astoundingly huge it is for an RNA virus.
--
Nobody who knows _anything_ about coronaviridae genome would say its "tiny".

On 2022-02-02 2:12 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Feb 2022 07:48:50 +1100, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-02 12:45 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn, stupid,
>>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them refuse to
>>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every idiot have a
>>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs, angles,
>>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for "English"
>>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing wrong",
>>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead morons to be
>>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military into
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with illegals
>>>>>>>>> wanting to
>>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to the USA
>>>>>
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>  Yep.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>>>  Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they arent
>>>>> genuine tourists.
>>>>
>>>> That's not a source.
>>>  Corse it is.
>>>
>>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>
>>>  Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine every
>>> single day of this year.
>>
>> So you can't produce your source...
>
> Neither did you.

I haven't made a claim that requires support.

You did.

Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn, stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them refuse
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every idiot
>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs,
>>>>>>>>>>> angles,
>>>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for
>>>>>>>>>>> "English"
>>>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing wrong",
>>>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead morons to be
>>>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military into
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with illegals
>>>>>>>>>> wanting to
>>>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to the USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>>>> Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they arent
>>>>>> genuine tourists.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not a source.
>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>
>>>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>>
>>>> Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine every
>>>> single day of this year.
>>>
>>> So you can't produce your source...

>> Neither did you.

> I haven't made a claim that requires support.

Corse you did with your original claim.

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 21:21:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

>> Hell, Chris, did you ever even take a _single_ college class of the above?
>
> "College" is not the same thing here. I went to University for 8 years for
> undergrad and postgrad. I covered most of those topics plus have
> collaborated in many of those areas in my research career.

Chris,

I accepted a priori that you have a "PhD in Medicinal Chemistry", and yet
you claimed the coronavirus genome is "tiny" (likely because you google it).

Yet the coronaviridae have been well studied even in my day, Chris, where
it's one of the freaking hugest RNA viruses known to infect man, Chris.
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw8V0jfj/books10.jpg>

If you had _any_ educational background in either genetics or virology, you
would _never_ have claimed that the RNA coronavirus genome is "tiny", Chris.

>> I've taken _every_ one of those classes, Chris (and lots more).
>
> A class doesn't sound very in-depth. Can't learn much in a class.

Chris,

You claim to have a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry, right?
OK. I'll accept that, a priori.

The problem I have with you is that _nobody_ with _any_ PhD in the sciences
would say the childishly inane things you _keep_ saying Chris.

It makes me doubt if you even have a high school GED, Chris, when you say
stupid things like "a class isn't in depth" when just one book itself is
1500 pages that you have to study (most of it anyway) to pass the tests.

And then you have to take tons of "stuff" to get the degrees, that you don't
even seem to be _aware_ of (which makes me doubt what you claim).

In summary, if you really do have a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry, then don't
say abysmally stupid things like you did when you said the coronaviridae
genome was "tiny" when it's freaking huge for an RNA virus, Chris.
--
My observation is the less people know, the more they "think" they know.

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 04:37:56 -0000 (UTC), Andy Burnelli wrote:

> nospam - Do you even _have_ a college degree and in what?

I'm still waiting nospam given you deprecated all the biological sciences.

Do you even _have_ something as easy to get as a BA, nospam?
That's a bachelor of _arts_ nospam, in case you're unaware of what it means.

Do you even have a BA nospam?
Or are you stuck at the level of a high school diploma?

On 2022-02-02 3:41 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:
> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn, stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them
>>>>>>>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs,
>>>>>>>>>>>> angles,
>>>>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for
>>>>>>>>>>>> "English"
>>>>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing wrong",
>>>>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead morons to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military into
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with
>>>>>>>>>>> illegals wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to the USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>  Yep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>>>>>  Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they arent
>>>>>>> genuine tourists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not a source.
>>>>>  Corse it is.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>>>
>>>>>  Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine
>>>>> every single day of this year.
>>>>
>>>> So you can't produce your source...
>
>>>  Neither did you.
>
>> I haven't made a claim that requires support.
>
> Corse you did with your original claim.

You accepted that claim and claimed in rebuttal that "plenty of them"
"fly in to the USA".

I don't think you have any figures to back up that claim

On 2022-02-02 3:45 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 21:21:22 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>>> Hell, Chris, did you ever even take a _single_ college class of the above?
>>
>> "College" is not the same thing here. I went to University for 8 years for
>> undergrad and postgrad. I covered most of those topics plus have
>> collaborated in many of those areas in my research career.
>
> Chris,
>
> I accepted a priori that you have a "PhD in Medicinal Chemistry", and yet
> you claimed the coronavirus genome is "tiny" (likely because you google it).
>
> Yet the coronaviridae have been well studied even in my day, Chris, where
> it's one of the freaking hugest RNA viruses known to infect man, Chris.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rw8V0jfj/books10.jpg>
>
> If you had _any_ educational background in either genetics or virology, you
> would _never_ have claimed that the RNA coronavirus genome is "tiny", Chris.
>
>>> I've taken _every_ one of those classes, Chris (and lots more).
>>
>> A class doesn't sound very in-depth. Can't learn much in a class.
>
> Chris,
>
> You claim to have a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry, right?
> OK. I'll accept that, a priori.
>
> The problem I have with you is that _nobody_ with _any_ PhD in the sciences
> would say the childishly inane things you _keep_ saying Chris.
>
> It makes me doubt if you even have a high school GED, Chris, when you say
> stupid things like "a class isn't in depth" when just one book itself is
> 1500 pages that you have to study (most of it anyway) to pass the tests.
>
> And then you have to take tons of "stuff" to get the degrees, that you don't
> even seem to be _aware_ of (which makes me doubt what you claim).
>
> In summary, if you really do have a PhD in Medicinal Chemistry, then don't
> say abysmally stupid things like you did when you said the coronaviridae
> genome was "tiny" when it's freaking huge for an RNA virus, Chris.

We're all still waiting for you to take a stand and tell us what your
degree is in, Arlen.

Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn, stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> angles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "English"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing wrong",
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead morons to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with
>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to the
>>>>>>>>>> USA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>>>>>> Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they arent
>>>>>>>> genuine tourists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not a source.
>>>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>>>>
>>>>>> Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine
>>>>>> every single day of this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you can't produce your source...
>>
>>>> Neither did you.
>>
>>> I haven't made a claim that requires support.
>> Corse you did with your original claim.
>
> You accepted that claim

Nope.

> and claimed in rebuttal

So I didn't accept your claim.

> that "plenty of them" "fly in to the USA".

Because plenty do and clearly those werent living in abject poverty.

> I don't think you have any figures to back up that claim

We know you don't have the figures to back up yours.

On 2022-02-02 7:17 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:
> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn, stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "English"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong", continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead morons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to the
>>>>>>>>>>> USA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>  Yep.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>  Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they arent
>>>>>>>>> genuine tourists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's not a source.
>>>>>>>  Corse it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine
>>>>>>> every single day of this year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you can't produce your source...
>>>
>>>>>  Neither did you.
>>>
>>>> I haven't made a claim that requires support.
>>>  Corse you did with your original claim.
>>
>> You accepted that claim
>
> Nope.

Yup.

>
>> and claimed in rebuttal
>
> So I didn't accept your claim.

The rebuttal was of the "yeah, but" variety.

>
>> that "plenty of them"  "fly in to the USA".
>
> Because plenty do and clearly those werent living in abject poverty.

Again, what is your source for declaring that "plenty" do?

>
>> I don't think you have any figures to back up that claim
>
> We know you don't have the figures to back up yours.

You don't actually argue that my claim is wrong.

Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "English"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong", continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead morons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> USA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>> Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they arent
>>>>>>>>>> genuine tourists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's not a source.
>>>>>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine
>>>>>>>> every single day of this year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you can't produce your source...
>>>>
>>>>>> Neither did you.
>>>>
>>>>> I haven't made a claim that requires support.
>>>> Corse you did with your original claim.
>>>
>>> You accepted that claim
>> Nope.
>
> Yup.

Nope.

>>> and claimed in rebuttal

>> So I didn't accept your claim.

> The rebuttal was of the "yeah, but" variety.

There was no rebuttal.

>>> that "plenty of them" "fly in to the USA".

>> Because plenty do and clearly those weren't living in abject poverty.

> Again, what is your source for declaring that "plenty" do?

Again, those who get turned away at the airport for not being genuine
tourists.

What is your source for your claim about abject poverty ?

>>> I don't think you have any figures to back up that claim

>> We know you don't have the figures to back up yours.

> You don't actually argue that my claim is wrong.

You are wrong, as always.

On 2022-02-02 8:55 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:
> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "English"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong", continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morons to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the USA
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>  Yep.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>  Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they
>>>>>>>>>>> arent genuine tourists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's not a source.
>>>>>>>>>  Corse it is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine
>>>>>>>>> every single day of this year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you can't produce your source...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Neither did you.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't made a claim that requires support.
>>>>>  Corse you did with your original claim.
>>>>
>>>> You accepted that claim
>>>  Nope.
>>
>> Yup.
>
> Nope.
>
>>>> and claimed in rebuttal
>
>>>  So I didn't accept your claim.
>
>> The rebuttal was of the "yeah, but" variety.
>
> There was no rebuttal.
>
>>>> that "plenty of them"  "fly in to the USA".
>
>>>  Because plenty do and clearly those weren't living in abject poverty.
>
>> Again, what is your source for declaring that "plenty" do?
>
> Again, those who get turned away at the airport for not being genuine
> tourists.

That's still not a source.

Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories (UFOs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> angles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "English"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong", continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morons to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and military
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they
>>>>>>>>>>>> arent genuine tourists.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's not a source.
>>>>>>>>>> Corse it is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose fine
>>>>>>>>>> every single day of this year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you can't produce your source...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neither did you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't made a claim that requires support.
>>>>>> Corse you did with your original claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> You accepted that claim
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> Yup.
>> Nope.
>>
>>>>> and claimed in rebuttal
>>
>>>> So I didn't accept your claim.
>>
>>> The rebuttal was of the "yeah, but" variety.
>> There was no rebuttal.
>>
>>>>> that "plenty of them" "fly in to the USA".
>>
>>>> Because plenty do and clearly those weren't living in abject poverty.
>>
>>> Again, what is your source for declaring that "plenty" do?
>> Again, those who get turned away at the airport for not being genuine
>> tourists.
>
>
> That's still not a source.

Neither was yours.

On 2022-02-02 9:51 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:
> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AJL wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your Name wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's simple: Americans are stereotypically stubborn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish, and egotistical. Just look at how many of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them refuse to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wear seatbelts in their car, insist on letting every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun, believe in fantasies and conspiracy theories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (UFOs, angles,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religions), use their own spellings and definitions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for "English"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words, sue anyone (if not shoot them) for "breathing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong", continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use miles, gallons, and inches, elect braindead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morons to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President (Trump, Bush), stick their noses and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> military into other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country's personal business, etc., etc., etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  And yet my part of the country (USA) is overrun with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live here. Strange, huh...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People living in abject poverty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Plenty of them dont live in abject poverty and fly in to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the USA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Yep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And your source for this alleged "knowledge" is... ...what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Those turned away at US airports when it is obvious they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arent genuine tourists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not a source.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Corse it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Show me a source complete with numbers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Show me a source, complete with numbers that the sun rose
>>>>>>>>>>> fine every single day of this year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you can't produce your source...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  Neither did you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I haven't made a claim that requires support.
>>>>>>>  Corse you did with your original claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You accepted that claim
>>>>>  Nope.
>>>>
>>>> Yup.
>>>  Nope.
>>>
>>>>>> and claimed in rebuttal
>>>
>>>>>  So I didn't accept your claim.
>>>
>>>> The rebuttal was of the "yeah, but" variety.
>>>  There was no rebuttal.
>>>
>>>>>> that "plenty of them"  "fly in to the USA".
>>>
>>>>>  Because plenty do and clearly those weren't living in abject poverty.
>>>
>>>> Again, what is your source for declaring that "plenty" do?
>>>  Again, those who get turned away at the airport for not being
>>> genuine tourists.
>>
>>
>> That's still not a source.
>
> Neither was yours.

You're the one making the outrageous claim.

What percentage of people trying to illegally immigrate to the US do so
by plane? What is your claim?