On 2023-10-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-10-01 23:15, Frankie wrote:
>> On 1/10/2023, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>>> The only way Apple can lower the heat output is to lower
>>>> performance.
>>>
>>> Not at all.
>>
>> You believe in miracles. You don't remember the pre-and-post
>> benchmarks with iOS 10.2 it seems.
>>
>>> What it means is after the bug fix is that the benchmarks will be
>>> pretty much identical.
>>
>> Apple will greatly chop performance as it was with the iOS 10.2
>> "fixes." Apple "fixed" that problem the same way Apple's going to
>> "fix" this one.
>>
>>>> Apple sold an inherently untested product which turned out to be
>>>> defective. The benchmark results are on that defective product.
>>>
>>> In any new product and OS release, the chances of bugs is pretty
>>> high no matter how much testing was done. These are consumer
>>> appliances and there are too many undetermined (undeterminable)
>>> cases to test them all.
>>
>> It's obvious that Apple only tested for overheating after it blew up.
>> Same as when the battery issue came up. It couldn't have been tested.
>>
>>>> It's fast. But too hot.
>>>
>>> See above. Threads can be very fast and very unproductive. Fix
>>> that and life goes on.
>>
>> Maybe you don't remember how Apple handled a similar issue in the
>> past. What happened in the past, is what's going to happen in the
>> future.
>>
>> Nobody should buy oveheating iPhones until we see all new benchmarks.
>
> You're talking out of your hat.
>
> I used to write real time programs for a living. It is all too easy
> to make mistakes and have a section of code run in circles doing
> nothing productive but consume power. Fix that bug, and life goes on
> and no limits to the product are needed. In a multi-threaded
> environment (and iOS is decidedly such), it is even easier to make
> such errors and harder to detect them.
>
> I guess Frankie=Arlen?

Might as well be. Both are woefully ignorant when it comes to software
and systems development.

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On 2023-10-02, Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> wrote:
> On 1/10/2023, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>> The only way Apple can lower the heat output is to lower
>>> performance.
>>
>> Not at all.
>
> You believe in miracles.

You lack basic understanding of software and systems. Many software
defects cause excessive resource usage which decreases performance.
Fixing such a defect allows those system resources to be used more
efficiently, which in turn increases performance. This is *basic* stuff.
And the fact that you call it "miracles" says all we need to know about
your knowledge in this area.

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On 2023-10-02, Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> wrote:
> On 2/10/2023, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> The only way Apple can lower the heat output is to lower
>>> performance.
>>
>> Wrong. It is quite typical for bugs to cause excessive resource usage
>> which lowers performance, and fixing those bugs results in an
>> increase in performance as resources are then free to be used more
>> efficiently.
>
> Maybe you don't remember how Apple blah blah blah...

As usual, you can't address what is actually being discussed, so you
resort to repeating your tired, old, trolls. You're a clown, Arlen.

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On 2023-10-01 20:42, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:33:26 +0800, Patrick wrote:
>
>>> At the very least the user should have enough brains not to use utter
>>> crap "Social Media" apps like Instagram.  :-p
>>
>> This idea from Your Name is great as it will instantly solve all of
>> Apple's overheating iPhone 15 problems while still allowing sales to
>> proceed.
>>
>> Apple should instantly remove TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp &
>> Telegram from the App Store (and Apple should remove those installed).
>>
>> That way Apple doesn't have to do anything else to fix the overheating
>> phones. Well, there is the problems of indexing and iOS 17 bugs too.
>>
>> For that, Apple should turn off indexing (what does it do anyway?).
>> And Apple should allow the overheating iPhones to backport to iOS 16.
>>
>> Problem solved thanks to Your Name!
>
> Good idea. Apple also needs to remove Uber and Asphalt 9 Legends games.
> And Apple has to figure out how to turn off charging the iPhone 15 too.
>
> As a side note, Apple has made the unusual admission that their iPhone may
> feel slightly warmer but if you stop holding it - you won't feel it at all.
>
> Apple suggests you lay the phone on a flat fire-proof surface and that you
> interact with it remotely - they even sell a ten-foot long iStick for that.

Stop being such a Clown, Arlen.

On 2023-10-02 11:55, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-10-02, Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> wrote:
>> On 2/10/2023, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>>> The only way Apple can lower the heat output is to lower
>>>> performance.
>>>
>>> Wrong. It is quite typical for bugs to cause excessive resource usage
>>> which lowers performance, and fixing those bugs results in an
>>> increase in performance as resources are then free to be used more
>>> efficiently.
>>
>> Maybe you don't remember how Apple blah blah blah...
>
> As usual, you can't address what is actually being discussed, so you
> resort to repeating your tired, old, trolls. You're a clown, Arlen.

Take that back! I have clowns in my family. They would offended at
being associated with it.

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On 2023-10-02 10:38, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-10-02 09:55, sms wrote:
>
>> For the overheating, they can throttle the CPU under certain
>> conditions but it doesn't address the root cause of the need for a
>> better thermal solution (vapor chamber).
>
> Laughably stupid.  If the cause of the CPU overrun is a bug in s/w, you
> don't implement a mechanical change, you implement a software change.

+1

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).

Do you doubt that my IQ has to be something like fifty points above yours?

... Let's run a simple test, shall we? ...

Question to Alan Browne: Have you ever noticed the walled garden existing?
Answer from Alan Browne: What walled garden?

Notice, Alan Browne is completely oblivious of what normal people aren't.
That lack of adult cognition is evidence of his rather unequal IQ for sure.

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

>> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
>> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).
>
> Military Grade software does exist. VHDL (MIL-STD-454N) and Ada
> (MIL-STD-1815) are examples. But just because something is military grade
> doesn't mean it is good. Military grade means it is the cheapest made while
> still meeting minimum contract specifications.

I Dorper,

You have to dumb down the message when you're conversing with the iKooks.
(You can raise the level to normal speech only when dealing with adults.)

I used that term because I was lumping my decades of Silicon Valley
experience with that of badgolferman's - but the point is that toy software
like Apple's operating systems is Barbie-doll stuff compared to that.

Suffice to say the software I worked with for decades is classified as a
munition (and hence can't be sold to certain countries & parties).

But what's funny is that the low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks are trying
to say they're more intelligent than I am or than badgolferman is - which
they're welcome to believe...

But why don't they ever show any semblance of normal adult cognition then?
Worse than the iKooks' almost complete lack of adult cognitive skills is
how these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks react to facts about Apple.

They only have 7 responses to all truths about Apple.

The first few are to outright deny all facts about Apple and in doing so to
blame Samsung for everything bad that Apple does - and then to distract and
change the conversation to classic "whataboutism" (which they don't even
know they're using since none of them has earned a high school GED even).

HINT: Jolly Roger said he failed three times to attain his High School GED.

If you look at Alan Baker, it's even worse than Alan Browne, where he has
an IQ I estimate at about 40 which is why he has the honor of my killfile
(along with Snit and Rod Speed and Joerg Lorenze) due to the fact he can't
ever add value.

What's interesting is people like Alan Baker whose IQ is less than half of
normal, "think" they're geniuses - and yet - they're completely ignorant.

As a simple example, Alan Baker doesn't know a bimmer from a beemer - which
is OK as tons of people are completely ignorant of BMWs, but then Alan
Baker swears he's a racer and owner of a BMW (which happens to be a
bimmer).

How can someone be _that_ ignorant when NOBODY who races and NOBODY who
owns a bimmer or a beemer (I own both) would be _that_ completely clueless.

These iKooks are all three things _before_ they are religious zealots:
1. None of them have an IQ approaching normal (nospam's is the highest)
2. None of them have any semblance of a formal education (Joerg the worst)
3. None of them read the news about Apple products (Alan Baker the worst)
.... but... but... but... but.. but.. but. but. but...

None of that (alone) is why they're iKooks because many people are stupid.
No.

What makes them iKooks is you combine those three traits with their Jim
Jones religious zealotry where Apple is their religious idol in all ways.

An example is no adult would ever gloat that the phone they bought had a
profit margin of more than 50% and then gloat about the profits of that
company as if the fact the company aims for idiot consumers is some kind of
badge of courage.

That they were raped by Apple is a badge of courage _for them_ and they
don't even know why they feel honored to contribute so much to the profits.

They don't even know why.
I do.

HINT: They follow the pack so they feel the pack affirms their choice
(because they're too stupid to make an intelligent choice by themselves).

Guess what.
I know the iKooks better than they know themselves.

Sad. But true.

On 10/2/2023 2:40 PM, Mark L wrote:
> On 2023-10-02 10:38, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-10-02 09:55, sms wrote:
>>
>>> For the overheating, they can throttle the CPU under certain
>>> conditions but it doesn't address the root cause of the need for a
>>> better thermal solution (vapor chamber).
>>
>> Laughably stupid.  If the cause of the CPU overrun is a bug in s/w,
>> you don't implement a mechanical change, you implement a software change.
>
> +1

If the cause were a bug in the s/w then it would have shown up long ago
since iOS 17 was out long before the iPhone 15 or the A17 Bionic. It can
be "fixed" in software.

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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> It's _you_ who hasn't ever worked with software as complicated as the
>> military grade stuff both badgolferman and I worked on for decades.
>
> You've coded operating systems?? That's awesome!

I never said I was a programmer, although I took classes in Fortran before
there was a Fortran 77, along with COBOL and IBM assembly language, perhaps
before you were even born.

When I was in graduate school, I was building my own Motorola 68701 micro
controller boards, and my first few jobs in Massachusetts were on DEC
computers before the VAX and SunOS and Solaris 'nix software debuted.

The software I worked on is classified as a munition - so I worked with
Fort Meade and other government agencies - but the main reason I used the
words I did was to lump my experience in with that of badgolferman's where
he used the terminology I was equating my experience with.

Remember, people like Alan Browne have a low IQ so we have to dumb down the
message for them - but if you want to take a look at my software, there are
papers I've published that you might find my writing style in.

Hell... some of those papers are in a completely different field than
software, since I have multiple degrees in vastly different arenas.

Anyway, the point here is that we have to remember the iKooks aren't only
stupid - they're religious fanatics who are stupid.

Sure, none of the iKooks has an IQ approaching normal (nospam's is probably
about 80, and Alan Browne's ten points below that - with the rest like
Jolly Roger and Joerg Lorenze and Alan Baker half of what those are).

Sure, none of the iKooks has any formal education, with Joerg Lorenz and
Jolly Roger and Alan Baker never having graduated even what we'd call High
School in the USA - Jolly Roger tried three times for the GED & failed -
for example.

Sure, none of the iKooks ever reads the news about Apple so I had to tell
them that, for example, Apple only fully supports a single release - which
- for years (and years!) they've been claiming that's not the truth.

And yet it is the truth about Apple.

What makes these iKooks what they are isn't so much they're ignorant,
uneducated and unfortunately of a rather low IQ - no - what makes them
iKooks is you combine that stupidity with their Jim Jones' adherence to the
Apple religion.

That's why they're iKooks.
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On 10/2/23 20:05, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>> It's _you_ who hasn't ever worked with software as complicated as the
>>> military grade stuff both badgolferman and I worked on for decades.
>>
>> You've coded operating systems?? That's awesome!
>
> I never said I was a programmer, although I took classes in Fortran before
> there was a Fortran 77, along with COBOL and IBM assembly language, perhaps
> before you were even born.
>
> When I was in graduate school, I was building my own Motorola 68701 micro
> controller boards, and my first few jobs in Massachusetts were on DEC
> computers before the VAX and SunOS and Solaris 'nix software debuted.
>
> The software I worked on is classified as a munition - so I worked with
> Fort Meade and other government agencies - but the main reason I used the
> words I did was to lump my experience in with that of badgolferman's where
> he used the terminology I was equating my experience with.
>

Pretty cool!! I'm a lot younger but I have done some programming myself ^^.

> Remember, people like Alan Browne have a low IQ so we have to dumb down the
> message for them - but if you want to take a look at my software, there are
> papers I've published that you might find my writing style in.
>
> Hell... some of those papers are in a completely different field than
> software, since I have multiple degrees in vastly different arenas.
>
> Anyway, the point here is that we have to remember the iKooks aren't only
> stupid - they're religious fanatics who are stupid.
>
> Sure, none of the iKooks has an IQ approaching normal (nospam's is probably
> about 80, and Alan Browne's ten points below that - with the rest like
> Jolly Roger and Joerg Lorenze and Alan Baker half of what those are).
>
> Sure, none of the iKooks has any formal education, with Joerg Lorenz and
> Jolly Roger and Alan Baker never having graduated even what we'd call High
> School in the USA - Jolly Roger tried three times for the GED & failed -
> for example.

Ouch, really?

> Sure, none of the iKooks ever reads the news about Apple so I had to tell
> them that, for example, Apple only fully supports a single release - which
> - for years (and years!) they've been claiming that's not the truth.
>
> And yet it is the truth about Apple.
>
> What makes these iKooks what they are isn't so much they're ignorant,
> uneducated and unfortunately of a rather low IQ - no - what makes them
> iKooks is you combine that stupidity with their Jim Jones' adherence to the
> Apple religion.
>
> That's why they're iKooks.

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On 2/10/2023, Alan Browne wrote:

> I used to write real time programs for a living. It is all too easy to
> make mistakes and have a section of code run in circles doing nothing
> productive but consume power.

You don't understand if that's your absurd excuse for the overheating.

We used to call those "for loops" or "do loops" (adding nops in between,
pronounced "no ops") but for you to make the assertion without a single
fact that the dozen or so things Apple blamed are all that, is absurd.

Every crazy excuse you're making without any evidence is ridiculous.
Apple will slow down the performance of the iPhone 15.

It's the only choice Apple has.

Either Apple will slow down the CPU (but they won't do that).
Or they'll slow down the apps running on that CPU (that's what they'll do).

Either way.
The only choice Apple has now is to greatly slow down the performance.

Which means all the current benchmarks are trash.
The "fixed" iPhone 15 will be much slower than the overheating iPhone 15.

My recommendation is people not purchase these defective iPhones.
Nothing good can ever come of them.

They should wait for the iPhone 16 to be designed & tested to not overheat.

On 2/10/2023, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You lack basic understanding of software and systems.

What Alan Brown said was each of teh more than a dozen applications
(including just charging the phone!) are because of nops, is absurd.

His claim (without a bit of evidence) that dozens of apps put wasteful do
loops (with nops in between, pronounced "no ops") is simply ridiculous.

Without evidence, he's simply making up excuses for what happened merely
because Apple didn't test the defective iPhones under common situations.

> Many software
> defects cause excessive resource usage which decreases performance.
> Fixing such a defect allows those system resources to be used more
> efficiently, which in turn increases performance. This is *basic* stuff.
> And the fact that you call it "miracles" says all we need to know about
> your knowledge in this area.

Every crazy excuse you're making without any evidence is ridiculous.

Apple will slow down the performance of the iPhone 15.
It's the only choice Apple has.

Either Apple will slow down the CPU (but they certainly won't do that).
Or they'll slow down the apps running on that CPU (that's what they'll do).

Both amount to decreased performance.

But it will be interesting to see how Apple marketing and lawyers write the
wording as Apple's prior public "apology" was a Doozy you have to admit.

My suggestion is for nobody to purchase a defective iPhone 15 until new
benchmarks are out so that we can discuss how much Apple slowed it down.

On 2/10/2023, Alan Browne wrote:

> There are user settings in Unix to lower the priority of a program, but
> it will still get all the CPU it can that is available. Not sure if
> there are internal calls in iOS so an app can have its priority lowered.

Apple has to lower performance, where that's one way they might do it.

On 2/10/2023, sms wrote:

>> The operating system controls thread scheduling and memory. They can
>> just lower the apps priority if its past a certain usage percentage, or
>> outright kill it.
>
> Actually the OS _can_ stop the app from consuming excessive resources by
> shutting it down. There have been complaints by developers of this
> happening when the app has a legitimate need for those resources.

Given there are many disparate excuses Apple has provided for why the
defective iPhones are overheating, do you think the "fix" will involved
Apple lowering the performance?

I'm not speaking of the CPU speed since Apple will be clever to blame the
apps and not the processor - so the wording of Apple's public apology will
likely be just as much a Doozy as the last one was that Apple issued.

Do you think there's any chance Apple can decrease the disparate
overheating (happens during charging!) without lowering performance?

On 2023-10-02 17:40, Wally J wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
>
>> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
>> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).
>
> Do you doubt that my IQ has to be something like fifty points above yours?

I doubt it.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> It was a conscious decision not to test these iPhones for overheating.
>
> It was likely the belief that since the apps all ran fine on iOS 17 on
> the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max that there was no operating system issue with
> those apps. They didn't take into account the higher power consumption
> and higher thermals of the A17 Bionic or the change from a metal with a
> higher thermal conductivity to one with a lower thermal conductivity.

You are correct because the causes are so mundane that the only way Apple
could have not known about (charging & Instagram & common games) causing
the iPhone overheating is that Apple thought they didn't need to test it.

> Remember the iPhone 4 antenna issue? The belief there was that the
> phones that were being tested had cases on them, to hide what they were,
> so no one was touching the frame in the wrong place.

At least that Apple failure to test had a simple hardware add-on fix.

> Remember the iPhone 6/6s/7 throttling issue? It actually wasn't a
> problem with the battery it was that the PMIC was unable to deliver
> sufficient power to the Bionic chip when the battery had slightly aged.

It had to be hardware because Apple had the same batteries in other iPhones
that didn't need to be throttled after only a short time in normal use.
> In the iPhone 8 they added another PMIC to address the issue and there
> have been no reports of the iPhone 8 or newer throttling even though the
> throttling code is still there.

Why is the throttling code that Apple introduced as an emergency workaround
still in the software if the problem has been fixed with the added PMIC?

> A replacement battery was a workaround
> to the problem on the 6/6s/7 but it didn't address the root cause.

The replacement battery was like putting a bandaid on a broken limb.

> For the overheating, they can throttle the CPU under certain conditions
> but it doesn't address the root cause of the need for a better thermal
> solution (vapor chamber).

Can you think of any other software solution than reducing performance?

On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 10:12:50 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:

>> IAC, in some time in the near future, this will all be a memory.
>>
>
> I actually didn't know that, that makes a lot of sense.

There are very many instances of Apple not testing the hardware and/or
software before making a big deal of their "big" release of the product.

Apple Maps is one of them, but a whole bunch of iPhones had hardware issues
that Apple didn't test for (the antenna, the power delivery, the modem).

Thankfully the new bold colors WERE TESTED thoroughly - and were a hit!

On 2023-10-03, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 10/2/2023 2:40 PM, Mark L wrote:
>> On 2023-10-02 10:38, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-02 09:55, sms wrote:
>>>
>>>> For the overheating, they can throttle the CPU under certain
>>>> conditions but it doesn't address the root cause of the need for a
>>>> better thermal solution (vapor chamber).
>>>
>>> Laughably stupid.  If the cause of the CPU overrun is a bug in s/w,
>>> you don't implement a mechanical change, you implement a software
>>> change.
>>
>> +1
>
> If the cause were a bug in the s/w then it would have shown up long
> ago since iOS 17 was out long before the iPhone 15 or the A17 Bionic.

There have been complaints about iOS 17 causing excess heat on older
model iPhones, but sms here wants us all to ignore that. It's also true
that popular apps like Instagram were updated more recently, but sms
also wants us all to ignore that as well.

> It can be "fixed" in software.

Apple is on record stating the fix will be *drum roll* in software.

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On 2023-10-03, Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> wrote:
> On 2/10/2023, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> I used to write real time programs for a living. It is all too easy
>> to make mistakes and have a section of code run in circles doing
>> nothing productive but consume power.
>
> You don't understand

Projection from an ignoramus.

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On 2023-10-03, Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> wrote:
> On 2/10/2023, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You lack basic understanding of software and systems.
>
> because of nops, is absurd.

That would be absurd, but the only one here saying that is you, the
perennial clown. The shoe definitely fits.

>> Many software defects cause excessive resource usage which decreases
>> performance. Fixing such a defect allows those system resources to
>> be used more efficiently, which in turn increases performance. This
>> is *basic* stuff. And the fact that you call it "miracles" says all
>> we need to know about your knowledge in this area.
>
> crazy excuse

No, just reality, bozo.

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On 3/10/2023, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> It can be "fixed" in software.
>
> Apple is on record stating the fix will be *drum roll* in software.

Which means the only solution will be to slow down performance.

Either the CPU (which Apple just will not be able to excuse if they do
that), or they'll slow down every app (dozens already) that they've blamed.

Either way, the performance of the "fixed iPhone 15" will be reduced.

On 3/10/2023, sms wrote:

> If the cause were a bug in the s/w then it would have shown up long ago
> since iOS 17 was out long before the iPhone 15 or the A17 Bionic. It can
> be "fixed" in software.

Apple blamed even just charging the defective iPhone 15 for overheating it.
It's never Apple's fault.

What I'm waiting for is Apple's always eloquent "apology" letter, which
always ascribes the blame to every app out there (including charging).

The defective iPhone 15 is because everyone else made it defective.

On 2023-10-02 17:53, Wally J wrote:
> Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote
>
>>> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
>>> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).
>>
>> Military Grade software does exist. VHDL (MIL-STD-454N) and Ada
>> (MIL-STD-1815) are examples. But just because something is military grade
>> doesn't mean it is good. Military grade means it is the cheapest made while
>> still meeting minimum contract specifications.
>
> I Dorper,
>
> You have to dumb down the message when you're conversing with the iKooks.
> (You can raise the level to normal speech only when dealing with adults.)
>
> I used that term because I was lumping my decades of Silicon Valley
> experience with that of badgolferman's - but the point is that toy software
> like Apple's operating systems is Barbie-doll stuff compared to that.
>
> Suffice to say the software I worked with for decades is classified as a
> munition (and hence can't be sold to certain countries & parties).
>
> But what's funny is that the low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks are trying
> to say they're more intelligent than I am or than badgolferman is - which
> they're welcome to believe...
>
> But why don't they ever show any semblance of normal adult cognition then?
> Worse than the iKooks' almost complete lack of adult cognitive skills is
> how these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks react to facts about Apple.
>
> They only have 7 responses to all truths about Apple.
>
> The first few are to outright deny all facts about Apple and in doing so to
> blame Samsung for everything bad that Apple does - and then to distract and
> change the conversation to classic "whataboutism" (which they don't even
> know they're using since none of them has earned a high school GED even).
>
> HINT: Jolly Roger said he failed three times to attain his High School GED.
>
> If you look at Alan Baker, it's even worse than Alan Browne, where he has
> an IQ I estimate at about 40 which is why he has the honor of my killfile
> (along with Snit and Rod Speed and Joerg Lorenze) due to the fact he can't
> ever add value.
>
> What's interesting is people like Alan Baker whose IQ is less than half of
> normal, "think" they're geniuses - and yet - they're completely ignorant.
>
> As a simple example, Alan Baker doesn't know a bimmer from a beemer - which
> is OK as tons of people are completely ignorant of BMWs, but then Alan
> Baker swears he's a racer and owner of a BMW (which happens to be a
> bimmer).

I don't "swear" I'm a racer. I simply am a road racing driver (and race
driving instructor).

Here's me ahead of my good friend, Dave, as we go into turn 5 at Mission:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JKCl0vH0S-4IRpWCJu9bsH06sHzChBMM/view?usp=share_link>

For the record, I'm the second fastest driver around Mission in Formula
F, just 0.25 seconds off the lap record.

:-)

Here's my previous car, in my paddock space, next to my trailer:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OJQnv5oqXrgCc9AylGY1bs_fpjHN5J82/view?usp=share_link>

And here's my daily driver:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f34NXfzxx56BmY3H50KKGA-2cOsX-Q7E/view?usp=share_link>

That's a 2012 BMW 135i MSport Edition.

>
> How can someone be _that_ ignorant when NOBODY who races and NOBODY who
> owns a bimmer or a beemer (I own both) would be _that_ completely clueless.

Sorry... ...I never heard a distinction made about those two terms.

On 2023-10-02 18:55, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 10:12:50 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>>> IAC, in some time in the near future, this will all be a memory.
>>>
>>
>> I actually didn't know that, that makes a lot of sense.
>
> There are very many instances of Apple not testing the hardware and/or
> software before making a big deal of their "big" release of the product.
>
> Apple Maps is one of them, but a whole bunch of iPhones had hardware issues
> that Apple didn't test for (the antenna, the power delivery, the modem).
>
> Thankfully the new bold colors WERE TESTED thoroughly - and were a hit!

All of that is just bullshit, Clown.