In article <ZQMQJ.67482$Tr18.51530@fx42.iad>, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch>
wrote:

> >> Much of it has to do with the
> >> fact that Apple assumes that you are buying their hardware to use their
> >> operating system. You can use another system, but they tend to make you
> >> jump through hoops to do so.
> >
> > false. apple even provides a utility to install windows, called boot
> > camp. they also fully support linux. they don't care what os someone
> > uses.
>
> You're still jumping through hoops since you're installing Windows
> within the MacOS operating system rather than going straight to the
> BIOS, setting it up to load a USB key containing the ISO and installing
> it that way.

i'm not jumping and your knowledge of macs is severely lacking.

first of all, macs have efi, not bios.

second, windows can easily be installed and booted natively.

third, there is no need to use a usb stick, nor is that desirable.

boot camp will partition the drive, directly install windows from an
iso and automatically download and install any additional drivers that
might be needed for the mac. the entire process is both easier and
faster than installing windows on an actual windows pc. using a usb
stick is an option, it's just slower.

normally, people install windows in addition to mac os for a dual-boot
setup, but some people erase mac os entirely and use *only* windows on
their mac, including paul thurrott, formerly of winsupersite, who
prefers a macbook, stating that it's 'the best windows laptop'.

your claim that it's 'within the mac os operating system' sounds like
you are referring to virtual machines, (vmware, parallels, virtual box)
where windows (and other oses) can run as a guest from within mac os.
that's entirely different and an additional option. some people use
both a vm and dual booting, depending on their needs at the time.
vmware can even use the boot camp partition as a vm, so there's only
one windows install.

> Admittedly, Boot Camp is actually a safer approach though if you're
> trying to avoid losing data.

there's no reason any data would be lost, unless it was intentional.

In article <WROQJ.67790$%uX7.16044@fx38.iad>, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch>
wrote:

> > And, of course, it¹s trivial to install Windows since XP and most Linux
> > distros, and, with some effort, BSD on a virtual machine. Just don¹t use
> > Virtual Box, VB has issues with older Wins and a lot more. It¹s been my
> > experience that Parallels works well, and its cheaper than VMWare.
>
> If it can be installed directly, by loading a USB key containing the ISO
> then I stand corrected again.

even easier, windows can be installed directly from the iso, no usb
stick required.

> It's quite stellar for Apple to be
> allowing users to do so, to be honest.

they've never prohibited it.

On 2022-02-21 11:32, nospam wrote:
> In article <ZQMQJ.67482$Tr18.51530@fx42.iad>, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>>> Much of it has to do with the
>>>> fact that Apple assumes that you are buying their hardware to use their
>>>> operating system. You can use another system, but they tend to make you
>>>> jump through hoops to do so.
>>>
>>> false. apple even provides a utility to install windows, called boot
>>> camp. they also fully support linux. they don't care what os someone
>>> uses.
>>
>> You're still jumping through hoops since you're installing Windows
>> within the MacOS operating system rather than going straight to the
>> BIOS, setting it up to load a USB key containing the ISO and installing
>> it that way.
>
> i'm not jumping and your knowledge of macs is severely lacking.

Because I haven't been convinced to drink the Kool-Aid and buy one. I'm
tasked with fixing them when they inevitably fail for others and that
experience is much of the reason why I don't want to buy one for
myself... the price for what you get adds to that.

> first of all, macs have efi, not bios.

I say BIOS out of habit, since that's what it's been since the beginning.

> second, windows can easily be installed and booted natively.

Good to know: I wasn't aware that they made it possible.

> third, there is no need to use a usb stick, nor is that desirable.
>
> boot camp will partition the drive, directly install windows from an
> iso and automatically download and install any additional drivers that
> might be needed for the mac. the entire process is both easier and
> faster than installing windows on an actual windows pc. using a usb
> stick is an option, it's just slower.
>
> normally, people install windows in addition to mac os for a dual-boot
> setup, but some people erase mac os entirely and use *only* windows on
> their mac, including paul thurrott, formerly of winsupersite, who
> prefers a macbook, stating that it's 'the best windows laptop'.
>
> your claim that it's 'within the mac os operating system' sounds like
> you are referring to virtual machines, (vmware, parallels, virtual box)
> where windows (and other oses) can run as a guest from within mac os.
> that's entirely different and an additional option. some people use
> both a vm and dual booting, depending on their needs at the time.
> vmware can even use the boot camp partition as a vm, so there's only
> one windows install.
>
>> Admittedly, Boot Camp is actually a safer approach though if you're
>> trying to avoid losing data.
>
> there's no reason any data would be lost, unless it was intentional.

Good to know.

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nospam wrote:

> false. apple even provides a utility to install windows, called boot
> camp. they also fully support linux. they don't care what os someone
> uses.

How does Boot Camp work on the latest M1 TSMC-Silicon Apple CPUs, nospam?

nospam wrote:

> boot camp will partition the drive, directly install windows from an
> iso and automatically download and install any additional drivers that
> might be needed for the mac. the entire process is both easier and
> faster than installing windows on an actual windows pc. using a usb
> stick is an option, it's just slower.

What nospam does is play Apple's MARKETING game with the TSMC-Silicon.

He doesn't tell you Boot Camp doesn't exist on the latest Apple CPUs

Like MARKETING, he wants you to simply _assume_ that it works.

When it doesn't. It can't. It won't. It never did.
<https://support.apple.com/ja-jp/HT211814>

MacBook Pro (14-inch, 2021)
MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2021)
iMac (24-inch, M1, 2021)
Mac mini (M1, 2020)
MacBook Air (M1, 2020)
MacBook Pro (13-inch, M1, 2020)
etc. (basically almost every Mac moving forward)

rabidR04CH wrote:

>> second, windows can easily be installed and booted natively.
>
> Good to know: I wasn't aware that they made it possible.

Note that what nospam claims doesn't work on _any_ of the M1 CPUs.
<https://support.apple.com/ja-jp/HT201468>

He, like MARKETING, always wants you to _assume_ that it actually works.
But it doesn't.

It never did.

nospam wrote:

> that is false. it's very easy to install mac os, windows or linux on a
> mac.
>
> apple even included boot camp, a utility to make installing windows
> *very* easy.

It's amazing that nospam knows absolutely _nothing_ about Apple's M1 CPUs!
*nospam is always wrong because he has no education in anything*

For the adults on this newsgroup...
1. Notice how _confident_ nospam is in saying what he said.
2. Yet, he doesn't even realize that he's dead wrong in almost every way.

For example, nospam made that confident claim that even Apple doesn't make!
<https://support.apple.com/ja-jp/HT201468>

In article <sv0rlm$smh$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> > false. apple even provides a utility to install windows, called boot
> > camp. they also fully support linux. they don't care what os someone
> > uses.
>
> How does Boot Camp work on the latest M1 TSMC-Silicon Apple CPUs, nospam?

microsoft refuses to license windows on arm for apple silicon macs, and
without that, apple *can't* offer boot camp support.

should microsoft change their mind, then apple will be able to update
boot camp.

Wolffan wrote:

> Note that it is perfectly possible to install Windows directly onto Mac
> hardware, using the drivers available for Boot Camp.

The adults may not know that Wolffan is yet another iKook like nospam.
1. These uneducated iKooks are completely ignorant of everything they claim.
2. Yet, they're so confident in being dead wrong in doing so.

Why?
I don't know why they fabricate functionality that never existed.

I suspect it's because _none_ of the iKooks have _any_ education at all.
Even Apple never claimed Boot Camp works on the latest M1 TSMC-Silicon Macs.

However, the MARKET has stepped up to provide some relief outside Boot Camp.
But it will cost you a pretty penny indeed.

For example:
<https://www.parallels.com/pd/windows-on-m1-mac/>
"If you have an Apple M1 chip, Boot Camp will not work as it requires
a Mac with an Intel processor. To install Windows on your M1 Mac,
you can use Parallels Desktop for Mac."

In summary, you can't blame the iKooks for being ignorant about almost every
claim they make as they are iKooks because they not only lack any formal
education, but they _believe_ everything that Apple has ever fed them.

Most normal people aren't like that.
Certainly normal people aren't as confident in being wrong like iKooks are.

rabidR04CH wrote:

>> That's really the question.
>
> Microsoft _can_ blacklist a product key. If the product key itself is
> blocked, you can still install Windows, obviously, but not activate it.

Well, that's what I was afraid of.

Once Microsoft implements a forced login, then they have the power to pull
sleazy lockout tricks for no good reason other than their algorithms suck.

For example, my devices are _not_ stolen, and my only "crime" was I refuse
to stay locked inside the walled prison garden - so they locked me out.

If Microsoft pulls the same sleazy tricks, then it's a bad thing indeed.

Joerg Lorenz wrote:

>> I have to agree with nospam here.
>
> +1

And yet, the fact remains my devices are _not_ stolen.

The fact remains that the mothership algorithms suck.
They're written by what is, in effect, kindergarten coders.

You can't deny that fact since it's based on what happened.
a. They locked me out of my own device
b. And yet, it's not stolen.

You have to remember the VPN issue happened _two_ years later.
For two years the mothership has been nagging me for a re-validation.
For two years, a hundred times a day, I declined their offer.

That's when they locked me out.
That's when I tried to _unlock_ using VPN.

And then they disabled the device altoghether.
And yet, the proof their coding is kindergarten is I committed no crime.

You can't deny that fact.
Their algorithms are kindergarten.

For you to claim that those are intelligent algorithms is to defy fact.
The fact is I committed no crime and yet they locked me out of my device.

On 2022-02-21 3:11 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> false. apple even provides a utility to install windows, called boot
>> camp. they also fully support linux. they don't care what os someone
>> uses.
>
> How does Boot Camp work on the latest M1 TSMC-Silicon Apple CPUs, nospam?

Good question. Virtualization would be the obvious requirement this time
around.

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On 2022-02-21 3:14 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> boot camp will partition the drive, directly install windows from an
>> iso and automatically download and install any additional drivers that
>> might be needed for the mac. the entire process is both easier and
>> faster than installing windows on an actual windows pc. using a usb
>> stick is an option, it's just slower.
>
> What nospam does is play Apple's MARKETING game with the TSMC-Silicon.
>
> He doesn't tell you Boot Camp doesn't exist on the latest Apple CPUs
>
> Like MARKETING, he wants you to simply _assume_ that it works.
>
> When it doesn't. It can't. It won't. It never did.
> <https://support.apple.com/ja-jp/HT211814>
>
> MacBook Pro (14-inch, 2021)
> MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2021)
> iMac (24-inch, M1, 2021)
> Mac mini (M1, 2020)
> MacBook Air (M1, 2020)
> MacBook Pro (13-inch, M1, 2020)
> etc. (basically almost every Mac moving forward)

Well, that sort of goes without saying. On the other hand, you don't buy
an M1 Mac to use Windows anyway. However, I imagine that Boot Camp is
still around and allows you to install Linux, as pointless as that would be.

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On 2022-02-21 3:20 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> that is false. it's very easy to install mac os, windows or linux on a
>> mac.
>> apple even included boot camp, a utility to make installing windows
>> *very* easy.
>
> It's amazing that nospam knows absolutely _nothing_ about Apple's M1 CPUs!
> *nospam is always wrong because he has no education in anything*
>
> For the adults on this newsgroup... 1. Notice how _confident_ nospam is
> in saying what he said.
> 2. Yet, he doesn't even realize that he's dead wrong in almost every way.
>
> For example, nospam made that confident claim that even Apple doesn't make!
> <https://support.apple.com/ja-jp/HT201468>

Well, how ridiculously wrong he was about the original Macintosh and the
Apple IIgs suggests that he's a propagandist rather than any kind of
technical user. However, I don't mind giving him the benefit of the
doubt in some respects.

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On 2022-02-21 3:26 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Wolffan wrote:
>
>> Note that it is perfectly possible to install Windows directly onto
>> Mac hardware, using the drivers available for Boot Camp.
>
> The adults may not know that Wolffan is yet another iKook like nospam.
> 1. These uneducated iKooks are completely ignorant of everything they
> claim.
> 2. Yet, they're so confident in being dead wrong in doing so.
>
> Why?
> I don't know why they fabricate functionality that never existed.
>
> I suspect it's because _none_ of the iKooks have _any_ education at all.
> Even Apple never claimed Boot Camp works on the latest M1 TSMC-Silicon
> Macs.
>
> However, the MARKET has stepped up to provide some relief outside Boot
> Camp.
> But it will cost you a pretty penny indeed.
>
> For example:
> <https://www.parallels.com/pd/windows-on-m1-mac/>
> "If you have an Apple M1 chip, Boot Camp will not work as it requires  a
> Mac with an Intel processor. To install Windows on your M1 Mac,  you can
> use Parallels Desktop for Mac."
>
> In summary, you can't blame the iKooks for being ignorant about almost
> every
> claim they make as they are iKooks because they not only lack any formal
> education, but they _believe_ everything that Apple has ever fed them.
>
> Most normal people aren't like that.
> Certainly normal people aren't as confident in being wrong like iKooks are.

What I'm wondering about taking the Parallels approach is whether it is
indeed _parallel_ the way it used to be back in the day. If all it does
is run Windows 10/11 in a virtual box then I don't see the point of such
an expensive purchase otherwise.

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On 2022-02-21 4:34 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> rabidR04CH wrote:
>
>>> That's really the question.
>>
>> Microsoft _can_ blacklist a product key. If the product key itself is
>> blocked, you can still install Windows, obviously, but not activate it.
>
> Well, that's what I was afraid of.
>
> Once Microsoft implements a forced login, then they have the power to pull
> sleazy lockout tricks for no good reason other than their algorithms suck.
>
> For example, my devices are _not_ stolen, and my only "crime" was I refuse
> to stay locked inside the walled prison garden - so they locked me out.
>
> If Microsoft pulls the same sleazy tricks, then it's a bad thing indeed.

If Microsoft pulls those sleazy tricks with regularity, people would
finally be tempted to give Linux a serious consideration but they've
done many "controversial" things in the past and Linux never actually
took off. I doubt there is anything Microsoft can do other than
systematically kill babies which would push people toward widespread
Linux adoption.

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On 21 Feb 2022 at 1:34:28 PM, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:

> If you're suggesting that an institution like a bank should expect a
> Canadian IP to be connecting to the bank account of a Canadian, I would
> disagree. If you're suggesting that the same institution shouldn't find
> it suspicious that the Canadian doing so is connecting from an IP that
> is known to be a part of a VPN's pools, I would also disagree.

People who log into the iCloud should always do it from their own home.
That way Apple can know it's them and not some criminal logging in.
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rabidR04CH wrote:

> Well, that sort of goes without saying. On the other hand, you don't buy
> an M1 Mac to use Windows anyway. However, I imagine that Boot Camp is
> still around and allows you to install Linux, as pointless as that would be.

I believe only in facts.

Your assumption, I believe is wrong (since Boot Camp doesn't _exist_ for the
newer TSMC-Silicon Macs), but that assumption doesn't matter to my main
point.

My main point is the iKooks like nospam don't even know their own systems.
As a result, their claims turn out not only to be baseless, but patently
wrong.

Either that, or the iKooks brazenly fabricated imaginary functionality.
Again.

I don't know why the iKooks incessantly brazenly fabricate functionality
that doesn't exist.

I just know that they do.
All the time.

Why?
I don't know why.

I suspect either iKooks are too ignorant to know Boot Camp doesn't exist.
Or, perhaps they know this but they think _we_ are too stupid to realize
they lied to us.

Either way - those two are the only possible assessments.
a. They're ignorant, and/or
b. They lied.
You tell me why nospam made the completely baseless claims that he made.

Because all I know is he defends Apple to the death, no matter what, even to
the point of brazenly fabricating imaginary functionality that even Apple
doesn't claim exists.

nospam wrote:

> microsoft refuses to license windows on arm for apple silicon macs, and
> without that, apple *can't* offer boot camp support.

Heh heh heh... Nobody intelligent falls for your tricks.

You think I don't know every one of your sleazy tricks, nospam?
a. Either you were completely ignorant in your claims, or,
b. You brazenly fabricated functionality which you knew doesn't exist.
(Pick one)

Don't call me a genius for figuring out you were ignorant or that you lied
to the Windows ng people because I can predict you years in advance nospam.

You're no harder to predict than a kindergarten kid who _thinks_ his parents
believe his lies when he has chocolate all over his face and the freezer is
missing the chocolate ice cream.

You will defend Apple at all costs, and to the death, even to the point of
brazenly fabricating purely imaginary functionality that even Apple doesn't
claim exists.

It's what you do.

rabidR04CH wrote:

>> How does Boot Camp work on the latest M1 TSMC-Silicon Apple CPUs, nospam?
>
> Good question. Virtualization would be the obvious requirement this time
> around.

Hi rabidroach,

It was a rhetorical question for nospam because I knew he was either
completely ignorant or that he was lying to you the whole time.

I am highly educated so these strange iKooks interest me because I never met
anyone in the flesh like them in all my decades at Silicon Valley startups.

What I've learned is that they get their self worth from Apple marketing
cues, which means that any fact that they don't like, they _hate_, because
it detracts from their self worth.

They even gloat that Apple has earned huge amounts of money off of them,
where the obvious fact glares out you can't make that kind of profit off of
an intelligent user base, now can you.

They deny that Apple has the lowest R&D expenditures in all of high tech,
even as Apple doesn't deny that fact (it goes way back to Steve Jobs' days).

They deny that the iPhone is crippled in that they fabricate endless mising
functionality that, in the end, I believe they lie to protect their self
image.

Since I've never met anyone in the flesh like them (they couldn't pass even
a basic college class being wrong most of the time for example), I study
them.

1. All of them, to a man, lack formal education (of this there is no doubt)
2. All of them, to a man, get their self worth from Apple advertising
3. All of them, to a man, will defend everything Apple does - to the death

All that is fine because a lot of people are ignorant who fall for marketing
tricks such as "Apple Silicon" (it's TSMC-Silicon) where at least Intel
makes the chip and the silicon for "Intel Inside" even as you _never_ hear
Windows people gloating about "Intel Inside" advertising slogans.

And yet, these iKooks gloat over "TSMC-Inside" slogans from Apple?
What on earth is so _different_ about these iKooks?

I think it's simply they're ignorant.
Which is why I asked nospam the rhetorical question about Boot Camp.

I knew what he either doesn't know, or he knew, and lied.
Either way, he was assuming _you_ were too stupid to catch it.

I am not.
Hence, they _hate_ me.

And that's OK.
--
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rabidR04CH wrote:

> Well, how ridiculously wrong he was about the original Macintosh and the
> Apple IIgs suggests that he's a propagandist rather than any kind of
> technical user. However, I don't mind giving him the benefit of the
> doubt in some respects.

Rest assured I casually allowed nospam's outlandish claims about "Boot Camp"
to go unchallenged for the first few of his posts, but he repeated his
false/fabricated claims so many times I felt I had to call him out for it.

The part you need to probably realize is there are only two possibilities:
1. He knew what I know, or,
2. He didn't.

If he didn't know, then he's completely ignorant about what he claims.
Yet, if he did know, it's even worse.
*If he knew, he was lying to you.*

You can pick which is worse, but it's what _defines_ the iKooks overall.
a. They have no education whatsoever, and,
b. They lie to protect their self image (which comes from Apple ads)

When someone is so wrong, I take it as them being stupid.
However... when someone lies to _me_ I take it as an insult.
*They think we are too stupid to catch their lies*.

And yet, we are highly educated and we've been in Silicon Valley startups
for decades, where you can't survive a day being as wrong as the iKooks are.

My point is that there are only two possibilities given how many times
nospam made his broad claims which I knew to be wrong each time he did.

1. Either nospam was ignorant of what he claims, or,
2. nospam thought _you_ were too ignorant to catch his lies.

Pick one.
--
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On 2022-02-22 04:53:53 +0000, RJH said:
> On 21 Feb 2022 at 1:34:28 PM, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:
>>
>> If you're suggesting that an institution like a bank should expect a
>> Canadian IP to be connecting to the bank account of a Canadian, I would
>> disagree. If you're suggesting that the same institution shouldn't find
>> it suspicious that the Canadian doing so is connecting from an IP that
>> is known to be a part of a VPN's pools, I would also disagree.
>
> People who log into the iCloud should always do it from their own home.
> That way Apple can know it's them and not some criminal logging in.

Most people do not have a static IP address, so there's no actual way
to tell if they're "at home" or not. My connection reports as being
whichever Vodafone server they decide to connect me to, which can be
anywhere in the country, and changes from time to time.

Am 22.02.22 um 05:53 schrieb RJH:
> On 21 Feb 2022 at 1:34:28 PM, rabidR04CH <rabid@ro4.ch> wrote:
>
>> If you're suggesting that an institution like a bank should expect a
>> Canadian IP to be connecting to the bank account of a Canadian, I would
>> disagree. If you're suggesting that the same institution shouldn't find
>> it suspicious that the Canadian doing so is connecting from an IP that
>> is known to be a part of a VPN's pools, I would also disagree.
>
> People who log into the iCloud should always do it from their own home.
> That way Apple can know it's them and not some criminal logging in.

;-)

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In article <sv1vt4$8dq$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > People who log into the iCloud should always do it from their own home.
> > That way Apple can know it's them and not some criminal logging in.

obvious trolling.

> Most people do not have a static IP address, so there's no actual way
> to tell if they're "at home" or not.

yes there is. you're incorrectly assuming ip address is the only thing
to use.

> My connection reports as being
> whichever Vodafone server they decide to connect me to, which can be
> anywhere in the country, and changes from time to time.

doesn't matter.

In article <oIXQJ.14201$Icha.703@fx11.iad>, rabidR04CH <rabid@r04.ch>
wrote:

>
> Well, that sort of goes without saying. On the other hand, you don't buy
> an M1 Mac to use Windows anyway.

microsoft does not license windows on arm for apple silicon macs (aka
arm), and without official support, boot camp has no purpose.

should microsoft change that decision, then boot camp is likely to come
back, with full support from microsoft.

there are rumours it might, but until then, there's nothing apple can
do, as it's entirely out of their control.

> However, I imagine that Boot Camp is
> still around and allows you to install Linux, as pointless as that would be.

you imagine incorrectly.

boot camp is just for windows. it carves out a partition, formats it
ntfs, installs windows, downloads additional drivers and marks it as
bootable.

linux can be installed directly. however, since mac os is based on
unix, there is little reason to do so, as just about all linux software
will run natively in mac os, nearly all of which has been ported. on
some macs, secure boot needs to be disabled, which is not a big deal.

for those who do want to use linux, spinning up a linux vm is much
easier, far more practical and also fully supported.