On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 7:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-04 2:55 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-07-04 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 4:54:02 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 2:52:29 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:55:53 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>> ... Which is also why CoVid rates are increasing in the
> >>>>>> Midwest now too: a lack of controls to limit R0, along with
> >>>>>> a population who doesn’t want to take the vaccine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Which Midwest states are you talking about? Missouri is the
> >>>>> only one I can find with any sign of an increase.
> >>>> At the time, there were IIRC five States with increasing case
> >>>> countsincreasing. Now there's 24 States who have reported
> >>>> increases of +10% or more over the past fourteen days:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html>
> >>>>> Biden could have encourage states to keep restrictions, he
> >>>>> has done nothing. He could have taken a stronger position on
> >>>>> vaccination. In fact, some months back, he stated that "There
> >>>>> is nothing we can do to change the pandemic trajectory...".
> >>>>> And, that's what his administration has done, nothing.
> >>>>> Promise fulfilled.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> But of course you cherrypick a statement made 48 hours after
> >>>> inauguration...plus you're forgetting that Trump
> >>>> absolutely refused to cooperate with the transition, which set
> >>>> them back ~3 months.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -hh
> >>>
> >>> I do not have a NY Times subscription, and that article is behind
> >>> the paywall. I found this instead.
> >>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tracking-coronavirus-case-surges-states-across-country-winter-n1247103
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There are states with upticks. Will that turn into a surge? Will it
> >>> increase immunity? Maybe and yes.
> >> And you're not bright enough to avoid a paywall to read a single
> >> article...
> >>
> >> ...and the NY Times allows you view any of their pages on COVID-19
> >> without restriction if you simply sign up for a free account.
> >>
> >> Seems like you're looking for excuses.
> >>
> >> But to make it clear, the NY Times site shows Indiana's cases are
> >> rising, just as Johns Hopkins University's site shows. Up 8% over
> >> the last 14 days.
> >>
> >> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/indiana-covid-cases.html>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's even up 8% in your county, Liarboy:
> >>
> >> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/hamilton-indiana-covid-cases.html>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And it shows a clear point in early June where a strong downward
> >> trend basically stopped...
> >>
> >> ...just a little more than 30 days after Memorial Day.
> >>>
> >>> Cherry-picked Biden? Name one thing that the administration has
> >>> done other than an initial distribution tweak? Strongly
> >>> encouraged vaccination? No. Requested prolonged mask use and
> >>> discouraged large gatherings? No.
> >> Cherry picked an article from 48 hours after the inauguration.
> >
> > Alan, just download the raw data from the primary source and stop
> > quoting others:
> > https://hub.mph.in.gov/dataset/ab9d97ab-84e3-4c19-97f8-af045ee51882/resource/182b6742-edac-442d-8eeb-62f96b17773e/download/covid_report_date.xlsx
> And why do you imagine that this data is more accurate than Johns
> Hopkins's data?
>
> What is your source for this faith?
>
> <snip>
> >
> > CDC is reporting 407 new cases for 2 July, but INDH has not
> > officially released a number. Just a week ago they stopped updating
> > on Saturday and Sunday, so 1 July is the latest number on their site.
> > Let's wait until Tuesday, the next reporting date due to the holiday,
> > and see if that's an outlier from some previously unreported cases.
> >
> > Now, where is the surge in the official data above through 1 July? If
> > you cherry pick 1 July and 28 June it's a 5.5% increase. Otherwise
> > 221 for the latest 7 day MA is one of the lowest since Memorial Day.
> > In fact, it's less than half the week before Memorial Day that ended
> > 30 May with a 472 average. If anything, maybe the 500 race reduced
> > new cases. Probably had no effect.
> >
> > I remembered recently that lawyers do not call people liars. The
> > polite adjective in unreliable. So, Unreliableboy, let's wait for
> > more information instead of jumping to conclusions.
> >
> Suddenly, it's "let's wait"...

Reply #2

"Suddenly" you seem to have forgotten all about your claim of a post-Indy 500 race case surge. Another of your many unreliable statements. Your credibility is done.

On 2021-07-05 8:33 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 7:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-04 2:55 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-04 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 4:54:02 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 2:52:29 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:55:53 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> ... Which is also why CoVid rates are increasing in the
>>>>>>>> Midwest now too: a lack of controls to limit R0, along with
>>>>>>>> a population who doesn’t want to take the vaccine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which Midwest states are you talking about? Missouri is the
>>>>>>> only one I can find with any sign of an increase.
>>>>>> At the time, there were IIRC five States with increasing case
>>>>>> countsincreasing. Now there's 24 States who have reported
>>>>>> increases of +10% or more over the past fourteen days:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html>
>>>>>>> Biden could have encourage states to keep restrictions, he
>>>>>>> has done nothing. He could have taken a stronger position on
>>>>>>> vaccination. In fact, some months back, he stated that "There
>>>>>>> is nothing we can do to change the pandemic trajectory...".
>>>>>>> And, that's what his administration has done, nothing.
>>>>>>> Promise fulfilled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But of course you cherrypick a statement made 48 hours after
>>>>>> inauguration...plus you're forgetting that Trump
>>>>>> absolutely refused to cooperate with the transition, which set
>>>>>> them back ~3 months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not have a NY Times subscription, and that article is behind
>>>>> the paywall. I found this instead.
>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tracking-coronavirus-case-surges-states-across-country-winter-n1247103
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are states with upticks. Will that turn into a surge? Will it
>>>>> increase immunity? Maybe and yes.
>>>> And you're not bright enough to avoid a paywall to read a single
>>>> article...
>>>>
>>>> ...and the NY Times allows you view any of their pages on COVID-19
>>>> without restriction if you simply sign up for a free account.
>>>>
>>>> Seems like you're looking for excuses.
>>>>
>>>> But to make it clear, the NY Times site shows Indiana's cases are
>>>> rising, just as Johns Hopkins University's site shows. Up 8% over
>>>> the last 14 days.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/indiana-covid-cases.html>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's even up 8% in your county, Liarboy:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/hamilton-indiana-covid-cases.html>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And it shows a clear point in early June where a strong downward
>>>> trend basically stopped...
>>>>
>>>> ...just a little more than 30 days after Memorial Day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cherry-picked Biden? Name one thing that the administration has
>>>>> done other than an initial distribution tweak? Strongly
>>>>> encouraged vaccination? No. Requested prolonged mask use and
>>>>> discouraged large gatherings? No.
>>>> Cherry picked an article from 48 hours after the inauguration.
>>>
>>> Alan, just download the raw data from the primary source and stop
>>> quoting others:
>>> https://hub.mph.in.gov/dataset/ab9d97ab-84e3-4c19-97f8-af045ee51882/resource/182b6742-edac-442d-8eeb-62f96b17773e/download/covid_report_date.xlsx
>> And why do you imagine that this data is more accurate than Johns
>> Hopkins's data?
>>
>> What is your source for this faith?
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> CDC is reporting 407 new cases for 2 July, but INDH has not
>>> officially released a number. Just a week ago they stopped updating
>>> on Saturday and Sunday, so 1 July is the latest number on their site.
>>> Let's wait until Tuesday, the next reporting date due to the holiday,
>>> and see if that's an outlier from some previously unreported cases.
>>>
>>> Now, where is the surge in the official data above through 1 July? If
>>> you cherry pick 1 July and 28 June it's a 5.5% increase. Otherwise
>>> 221 for the latest 7 day MA is one of the lowest since Memorial Day.
>>> In fact, it's less than half the week before Memorial Day that ended
>>> 30 May with a 472 average. If anything, maybe the 500 race reduced
>>> new cases. Probably had no effect.
>>>
>>> I remembered recently that lawyers do not call people liars. The
>>> polite adjective in unreliable. So, Unreliableboy, let's wait for
>>> more information instead of jumping to conclusions.
>>>
>> Suddenly, it's "let's wait"...
>
> Reply #2
>
> "Suddenly" you seem to have forgotten all about your claim of a post-Indy 500 race case surge. Another of your many unreliable statements. Your credibility is done.
>

You can clearly see a change in the trajectory at the precise point that
matches up with the expected latency after the Indy 500.

It shows clearly in both JHU and Indiana's data, aligned within one day
of each other.

On 2021-07-05 8:30 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> More
>>>
>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
>>
>> Which states:
>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
>>
>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
>>
>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
>>
>> Fuck Trump to hell.
>>
>> -hh
>
> 6 months later is "behind schedule"? By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
>
> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called infrastructure plan and his political legacy. Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
>

If you voted against Biden, then you voted FOR Trump.

There is no other option.

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > More
> > >
> > > https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> >
> > Which states:
> > “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> > to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
> >
> > So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> > > “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> > > framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> > > and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> >
> > Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> >
> > Fuck Trump to hell.
>
>
> 6 months later is "behind schedule"?

First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.

Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.

> By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!

The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.

> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
> infrastructure plan and his political legacy.

Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.

For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.

> Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.

That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.

-hh

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > More
> > > >
> > > > https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> > >
> > > Which states:
> > > “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> > > to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
> > >
> > > So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> > > > “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> > > > framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> > > > and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> > >
> > > Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> > >
> > > Fuck Trump to hell.
> >
> >
> > 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
> First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
>
> Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
> by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
> refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
> > By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
> The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
> > Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
> > infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
> Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
>
> For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
> yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
> > Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
> That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
>
> -hh

And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-05 8:30 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> More
> >>>
> >>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> >>
> >> Which states:
> >> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> >> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March..”
> >>
> >> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> >>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> >>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> >>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> >>
> >> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> >>
> >> Fuck Trump to hell.
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > 6 months later is "behind schedule"? By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
> >
> > Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called infrastructure plan and his political legacy. Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
> >
> If you voted against Biden, then you voted FOR Trump.
>
> There is no other option.

Wrong again Unreliableboy. We had 3 candidates on the Indiana presidential ballot. I had another option. You're batting 0 lately.

On 2021-07-06 9:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> More
>>>>>
>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
>>>>
>>>> Which states:
>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
>>>>
>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
>>>>
>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
>>>
>>>
>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
>> First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
>>
>> Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
>> by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
>> refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
>>> By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
>> The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
>>> infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
>> Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
>>
>> For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
>> yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
>>> Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
>> That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
>>
>> -hh
>
> And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.
>

That's the slam you fascists put on anyone left of you.

On 2021-07-06 9:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-05 8:30 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> More
>>>>>
>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
>>>>
>>>> Which states:
>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
>>>>
>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
>>>>
>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"? By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
>>>
>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called infrastructure plan and his political legacy. Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
>>>
>> If you voted against Biden, then you voted FOR Trump.
>>
>> There is no other option.
>
> Wrong again Unreliableboy. We had 3 candidates on the Indiana presidential ballot. I had another option. You're batting 0 lately.
>

Sorry, but reality is still reality.

Voting for a 3rd candidate with no chance at all to win is still voting
for the fascist.

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-05 8:33 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 7:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-07-04 2:55 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>> On 2021-07-04 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 4:54:02 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 2:52:29 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:55:53 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ... Which is also why CoVid rates are increasing in the
> >>>>>>>> Midwest now too: a lack of controls to limit R0, along with
> >>>>>>>> a population who doesn’t want to take the vaccine.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Which Midwest states are you talking about? Missouri is the
> >>>>>>> only one I can find with any sign of an increase.
> >>>>>> At the time, there were IIRC five States with increasing case
> >>>>>> countsincreasing. Now there's 24 States who have reported
> >>>>>> increases of +10% or more over the past fourteen days:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html>
> >>>>>>> Biden could have encourage states to keep restrictions, he
> >>>>>>> has done nothing. He could have taken a stronger position on
> >>>>>>> vaccination. In fact, some months back, he stated that "There
> >>>>>>> is nothing we can do to change the pandemic trajectory...".
> >>>>>>> And, that's what his administration has done, nothing.
> >>>>>>> Promise fulfilled.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> But of course you cherrypick a statement made 48 hours after
> >>>>>> inauguration...plus you're forgetting that Trump
> >>>>>> absolutely refused to cooperate with the transition, which set
> >>>>>> them back ~3 months.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do not have a NY Times subscription, and that article is behind
> >>>>> the paywall. I found this instead.
> >>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tracking-coronavirus-case-surges-states-across-country-winter-n1247103
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are states with upticks. Will that turn into a surge? Will it
> >>>>> increase immunity? Maybe and yes.
> >>>> And you're not bright enough to avoid a paywall to read a single
> >>>> article...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...and the NY Times allows you view any of their pages on COVID-19
> >>>> without restriction if you simply sign up for a free account.
> >>>>
> >>>> Seems like you're looking for excuses.
> >>>>
> >>>> But to make it clear, the NY Times site shows Indiana's cases are
> >>>> rising, just as Johns Hopkins University's site shows. Up 8% over
> >>>> the last 14 days.
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/indiana-covid-cases.html>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It's even up 8% in your county, Liarboy:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/hamilton-indiana-covid-cases.html>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And it shows a clear point in early June where a strong downward
> >>>> trend basically stopped...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...just a little more than 30 days after Memorial Day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cherry-picked Biden? Name one thing that the administration has
> >>>>> done other than an initial distribution tweak? Strongly
> >>>>> encouraged vaccination? No. Requested prolonged mask use and
> >>>>> discouraged large gatherings? No.
> >>>> Cherry picked an article from 48 hours after the inauguration.
> >>>
> >>> Alan, just download the raw data from the primary source and stop
> >>> quoting others:
> >>> https://hub.mph.in.gov/dataset/ab9d97ab-84e3-4c19-97f8-af045ee51882/resource/182b6742-edac-442d-8eeb-62f96b17773e/download/covid_report_date.xlsx
> >> And why do you imagine that this data is more accurate than Johns
> >> Hopkins's data?
> >>
> >> What is your source for this faith?
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> CDC is reporting 407 new cases for 2 July, but INDH has not
> >>> officially released a number. Just a week ago they stopped updating
> >>> on Saturday and Sunday, so 1 July is the latest number on their site.
> >>> Let's wait until Tuesday, the next reporting date due to the holiday,
> >>> and see if that's an outlier from some previously unreported cases.
> >>>
> >>> Now, where is the surge in the official data above through 1 July? If
> >>> you cherry pick 1 July and 28 June it's a 5.5% increase. Otherwise
> >>> 221 for the latest 7 day MA is one of the lowest since Memorial Day.
> >>> In fact, it's less than half the week before Memorial Day that ended
> >>> 30 May with a 472 average. If anything, maybe the 500 race reduced
> >>> new cases. Probably had no effect.
> >>>
> >>> I remembered recently that lawyers do not call people liars. The
> >>> polite adjective in unreliable. So, Unreliableboy, let's wait for
> >>> more information instead of jumping to conclusions.
> >>>
> >> Suddenly, it's "let's wait"...
> >
> > Reply #2
> >
> > "Suddenly" you seem to have forgotten all about your claim of a post-Indy 500 race case surge. Another of your many unreliable statements. Your credibility is done.
> >
> You can clearly see a change in the trajectory at the precise point that
> matches up with the expected latency after the Indy 500.
>
> It shows clearly in both JHU and Indiana's data, aligned within one day
> of each other.

Not really. Today's Indiana official numbers including the 10 days leading up to the race follows. The days after the race, except for the June 2 outlier from previously unreported historical cases, are typical of the days before the race.

Also note the the actual number for last Friday was 293, not the 400+ in the JH data. Where they got that we don't know.

I have attached a link to a graph of this data from: https://hub.mph.in.gov/dataset/covid-19-case-trend/resource/182b6742-edac-442d-8eeb-62f96b17773e

Statistically, given day-to-day variation, the 14 day MA trend declines from May 20 to May 25 (before the race) and has been flat since. This despite the June 18 data outlier from a relatively small number of previously unreported cases. The flat trend is also despite the fact that the entire state is now open for normal business if business owners want to resume normal operations and can find workers. That opening started right after the CDC announced that vaccinated people did not need to mask if outdoors. Even the indoor restrictions are now essentially gone. Due to labor shortages some restaurants are still not open fully for in-house dining. One in our neighborhood had to close last week.

Apparently DC, a bastion of liberal government, is now opened up too. Check out the PBS special on the 4th of July celebration there. The Mall was jam packed with celebrating people, no masks in sight.

Here are the actual data for Indiana reported cases. The graph is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GYOR3u4cNLxvTiVHmFB26PeetQnMTl8P/view?usp=sharing

2021-05-20 757
2021-05-21 675
2021-05-22 559
2021-05-23 376
2021-05-24 516
2021-05-25 626
2021-05-26 658
2021-05-27 557
2021-05-28 445
2021-05-29 353
2021-05-30 148
2021-05-31 366
2021-06-01 274
2021-06-02 1173
2021-06-03 400
2021-06-04 373
2021-06-05 261
2021-06-06 265
2021-06-07 295
2021-06-08 304
2021-06-09 364
2021-06-10 307
2021-06-11 327
2021-06-12 231
2021-06-13 138
2021-06-14 230
2021-06-15 211
2021-06-16 228
2021-06-17 214
2021-06-18 548
2021-06-19 131
2021-06-20 149
2021-06-21 195
2021-06-22 205
2021-06-23 226
2021-06-24 245
2021-06-25 245
2021-06-26 124
2021-06-27 130
2021-06-28 180
2021-06-29 287
2021-06-30 247
2021-07-01 296
2021-07-02 293
2021-07-03 180
2021-07-04 211
2021-07-05 153

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:04:52 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 9:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-07-05 8:30 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> More
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> >>>>
> >>>> Which states:
> >>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> >>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
> >>>>
> >>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> >>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> >>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> >>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> >>>>
> >>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
> >>>>
> >>>> -hh
> >>>
> >>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"? By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
> >>>
> >>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called infrastructure plan and his political legacy. Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
> >>>
> >> If you voted against Biden, then you voted FOR Trump.
> >>
> >> There is no other option.
> >
> > Wrong again Unreliableboy. We had 3 candidates on the Indiana presidential ballot. I had another option. You're batting 0 lately.
> >
> Sorry, but reality is still reality.
>
> Voting for a 3rd candidate with no chance at all to win is still voting
> for the fascist.

Your logic defies me. It's voting against both other candidates. That's how friends who did take the 3rd option explained it to me.

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 9:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> More
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> >>>>
> >>>> Which states:
> >>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> >>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
> >>>>
> >>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> >>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> >>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> >>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> >>>>
> >>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
> >> First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
> >>
> >> Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
> >> by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
> >> refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
> >>> By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
> >> The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
> >>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
> >>> infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
> >> Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions..
> >>
> >> For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
> >> yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
> >>> Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
> >> That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.
> >
> That's the slam you fascists put on anyone left of you.

I'm not a fascist. If anything I'm more of a moderate who sees both sides.

On 2021-07-06 10:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-06 9:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> More
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which states:
>>>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
>>>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
>>>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
>>>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
>>>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
>>>> First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
>>>>
>>>> Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
>>>> by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
>>>> refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
>>>>> By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
>>>> The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
>>>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
>>>>> infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
>>>> Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
>>>>
>>>> For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
>>>> yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
>>>>> Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
>>>> That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.
>>>
>> That's the slam you fascists put on anyone left of you.
>
> I'm not a fascist. If anything I'm more of a moderate who sees both sides.
>

You call Biden a socialist.

That's close enough for me.

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > More
> > > > >
> > > > > https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> > > >
> > > > Which states:
> > > > “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> > > > to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
> > > >
> > > > So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> > > > > “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> > > > > framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> > > > > and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> > > >
> > > > Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> > > >
> > > > Fuck Trump to hell.
> > >
> > >
> > > 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
> > First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
> >
> > Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
> > by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
> > refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
> > > By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
> > The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
> > > Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
> > > infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
> > Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
> >
> > For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
> > yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
> > > Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
> > That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
>
> And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.

No, for I just know history: history has repeatedly shown that fascists
are the worst possible form of good governance.
Likewise, I'm also familiar with how the Republican party's propaganda
arm, which namely is to try to duplicitously conflate and label all forms
of socialism into only possibly being the authoritative form, to bury the
democratic socialist form found in the EU.
So even if the "Socialist" label is true (can you do that? cite please), its
just not a 'bad' of a form of government, especially compared to fascism.

Plus the reality is that the US has many aspects of being a democratic socialist
state too: anyone who wants to argue otherwise has to first stop being a lame
hypocrite who's collecting their Social Security & Medicare/Medicaid benefits(!).

-hh

On 2021-07-06 10:38 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:04:52 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-06 9:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-05 8:30 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> More
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which states:
>>>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
>>>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
>>>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
>>>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
>>>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>
>>>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"? By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called infrastructure plan and his political legacy. Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
>>>>>
>>>> If you voted against Biden, then you voted FOR Trump.
>>>>
>>>> There is no other option.
>>>
>>> Wrong again Unreliableboy. We had 3 candidates on the Indiana presidential ballot. I harnd another option. You're batting 0 lately.
>>>
>> Sorry, but reality is still reality.
>>
>> Voting for a 3rd candidate with no chance at all to win is still voting
>> for the fascist.
>
> Your logic defies me. It's voting against both other candidates. That's how friends who did take the 3rd option explained it to me.
>

You're essentially spoiling your ballot in a race where every vote might
have been vital.

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"

On 2021-07-06 11:07 a.m., -hh wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>> More
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
>>>>>
>>>>> Which states:
>>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
>>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
>>>>>
>>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
>>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
>>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
>>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
>>>>>
>>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
>>> First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
>>>
>>> Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
>>> by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
>>> refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
>>>> By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
>>> The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
>>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
>>>> infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
>>> Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
>>>
>>> For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
>>> yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
>>>> Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
>>> That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
>>
>> And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.
>
> No, for I just know history: history has repeatedly shown that fascists
> are the worst possible form of good governance.
>
> Likewise, I'm also familiar with how the Republican party's propaganda
> arm, which namely is to try to duplicitously conflate and label all forms
> of socialism into only possibly being the authoritative form, to bury the
> democratic socialist form found in the EU.
>
> So even if the "Socialist" label is true (can you do that? cite please), its
> just not a 'bad' of a form of government, especially compared to fascism.
>
> Plus the reality is that the US has many aspects of being a democratic socialist
> state too: anyone who wants to argue otherwise has to first stop being a lame
> hypocrite who's collecting their Social Security & Medicare/Medicaid benefits(!).

Good luck getting Liarboy to respond to this...

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:42:21 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 10:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-07-06 9:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> More
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Which states:
> >>>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> >>>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> >>>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> >>>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> >>>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
> >>>> First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
> >>>>
> >>>> Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
> >>>> by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
> >>>> refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
> >>>>> By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
> >>>> The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
> >>>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
> >>>>> infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
> >>>> Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
> >>>>
> >>>> For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
> >>>> yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
> >>>>> Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
> >>>> That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
> >>>>
> >>>> -hh
> >>>
> >>> And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.
> >>>
> >> That's the slam you fascists put on anyone left of you.
> >
> > I'm not a fascist. If anything I'm more of a moderate who sees both sides.
> >
> You call Biden a socialist.
>
> That's close enough for me.

LOL

On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-05 8:33 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 7:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-07-04 2:55 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>> On 2021-07-04 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 4:54:02 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 2:52:29 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:55:53 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ... Which is also why CoVid rates are increasing in the
> >>>>>>>> Midwest now too: a lack of controls to limit R0, along with
> >>>>>>>> a population who doesn’t want to take the vaccine.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Which Midwest states are you talking about? Missouri is the
> >>>>>>> only one I can find with any sign of an increase.
> >>>>>> At the time, there were IIRC five States with increasing case
> >>>>>> countsincreasing. Now there's 24 States who have reported
> >>>>>> increases of +10% or more over the past fourteen days:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html>
> >>>>>>> Biden could have encourage states to keep restrictions, he
> >>>>>>> has done nothing. He could have taken a stronger position on
> >>>>>>> vaccination. In fact, some months back, he stated that "There
> >>>>>>> is nothing we can do to change the pandemic trajectory...".
> >>>>>>> And, that's what his administration has done, nothing.
> >>>>>>> Promise fulfilled.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> But of course you cherrypick a statement made 48 hours after
> >>>>>> inauguration...plus you're forgetting that Trump
> >>>>>> absolutely refused to cooperate with the transition, which set
> >>>>>> them back ~3 months.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do not have a NY Times subscription, and that article is behind
> >>>>> the paywall. I found this instead.
> >>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tracking-coronavirus-case-surges-states-across-country-winter-n1247103
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are states with upticks. Will that turn into a surge? Will it
> >>>>> increase immunity? Maybe and yes.
> >>>> And you're not bright enough to avoid a paywall to read a single
> >>>> article...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...and the NY Times allows you view any of their pages on COVID-19
> >>>> without restriction if you simply sign up for a free account.
> >>>>
> >>>> Seems like you're looking for excuses.
> >>>>
> >>>> But to make it clear, the NY Times site shows Indiana's cases are
> >>>> rising, just as Johns Hopkins University's site shows. Up 8% over
> >>>> the last 14 days.
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/indiana-covid-cases.html>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It's even up 8% in your county, Liarboy:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/hamilton-indiana-covid-cases.html>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And it shows a clear point in early June where a strong downward
> >>>> trend basically stopped...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...just a little more than 30 days after Memorial Day.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cherry-picked Biden? Name one thing that the administration has
> >>>>> done other than an initial distribution tweak? Strongly
> >>>>> encouraged vaccination? No. Requested prolonged mask use and
> >>>>> discouraged large gatherings? No.
> >>>> Cherry picked an article from 48 hours after the inauguration.
> >>>
> >>> Alan, just download the raw data from the primary source and stop
> >>> quoting others:
> >>> https://hub.mph.in.gov/dataset/ab9d97ab-84e3-4c19-97f8-af045ee51882/resource/182b6742-edac-442d-8eeb-62f96b17773e/download/covid_report_date.xlsx
> >> And why do you imagine that this data is more accurate than Johns
> >> Hopkins's data?
> >>
> >> What is your source for this faith?
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>>
> >>> CDC is reporting 407 new cases for 2 July, but INDH has not
> >>> officially released a number. Just a week ago they stopped updating
> >>> on Saturday and Sunday, so 1 July is the latest number on their site.
> >>> Let's wait until Tuesday, the next reporting date due to the holiday,
> >>> and see if that's an outlier from some previously unreported cases.
> >>>
> >>> Now, where is the surge in the official data above through 1 July? If
> >>> you cherry pick 1 July and 28 June it's a 5.5% increase. Otherwise
> >>> 221 for the latest 7 day MA is one of the lowest since Memorial Day.
> >>> In fact, it's less than half the week before Memorial Day that ended
> >>> 30 May with a 472 average. If anything, maybe the 500 race reduced
> >>> new cases. Probably had no effect.
> >>>
> >>> I remembered recently that lawyers do not call people liars. The
> >>> polite adjective in unreliable. So, Unreliableboy, let's wait for
> >>> more information instead of jumping to conclusions.
> >>>
> >> Suddenly, it's "let's wait"...
> >
> > Reply #2
> >
> > "Suddenly" you seem to have forgotten all about your claim of a post-Indy 500 race case surge. Another of your many unreliable statements. Your credibility is done.
> >
> You can clearly see a change in the trajectory at the precise point that
> matches up with the expected latency after the Indy 500.
>
> It shows clearly in both JHU and Indiana's data, aligned within one day
> of each other.

Actually what you see in the valid data from INDHS is a downtrend before and after the May 500 race.

The JH data has so many issues I do not know where to start. But I will anyway.

Go to https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/indiana

Click on past day
Today it's showing 976 new cases.
That's almost a week's worth.

Click on past week
Today it's showing 2,172 cases, actual is 1,667
Today it's showing 40 deaths, actual is 22
Scroll down to vaccinations
Click on Last 90 Days
It's showing an uptrend when the real trend is down
It's showing 197,487 does administered on July 3. Actual is 4,537.
The most we ever had in a day was about 60,000

The JH data do agree closely with all time totals, but the recent timelines are way off. The vaccination data are not even close. I wish they were right.
So what we have here is Unreliableboy quoting from an unreliable source.

Please use the official INDOH data at https://hub.mph.in.gov/dataset?q=COVID instead of JH !

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 11:25:55 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-07-06 10:38 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:04:52 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-07-06 9:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
> >>>> On 2021-07-05 8:30 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> More
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Which states:
> >>>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> >>>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> >>>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> >>>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> >>>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"? By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called infrastructure plan and his political legacy. Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
> >>>>>
> >>>> If you voted against Biden, then you voted FOR Trump.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is no other option.
> >>>
> >>> Wrong again Unreliableboy. We had 3 candidates on the Indiana presidential ballot. I harnd another option. You're batting 0 lately.
> >>>
> >> Sorry, but reality is still reality.
> >>
> >> Voting for a 3rd candidate with no chance at all to win is still voting
> >> for the fascist.
> >
> > Your logic defies me. It's voting against both other candidates. That's how friends who did take the 3rd option explained it to me.
> >
> You're essentially spoiling your ballot in a race where every vote might
> have been vital.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"

That was my argument to my friends. They did not buy it.

On 2021-07-07 8:49 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-05 8:33 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 7:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-04 2:55 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-04 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 4:54:02 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 2:52:29 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:55:53 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ... Which is also why CoVid rates are increasing in the
>>>>>>>>>> Midwest now too: a lack of controls to limit R0, along with
>>>>>>>>>> a population who doesn’t want to take the vaccine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which Midwest states are you talking about? Missouri is the
>>>>>>>>> only one I can find with any sign of an increase.
>>>>>>>> At the time, there were IIRC five States with increasing case
>>>>>>>> countsincreasing. Now there's 24 States who have reported
>>>>>>>> increases of +10% or more over the past fourteen days:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html>
>>>>>>>>> Biden could have encourage states to keep restrictions, he
>>>>>>>>> has done nothing. He could have taken a stronger position on
>>>>>>>>> vaccination. In fact, some months back, he stated that "There
>>>>>>>>> is nothing we can do to change the pandemic trajectory...".
>>>>>>>>> And, that's what his administration has done, nothing.
>>>>>>>>> Promise fulfilled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But of course you cherrypick a statement made 48 hours after
>>>>>>>> inauguration...plus you're forgetting that Trump
>>>>>>>> absolutely refused to cooperate with the transition, which set
>>>>>>>> them back ~3 months.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not have a NY Times subscription, and that article is behind
>>>>>>> the paywall. I found this instead.
>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tracking-coronavirus-case-surges-states-across-country-winter-n1247103
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are states with upticks. Will that turn into a surge? Will it
>>>>>>> increase immunity? Maybe and yes.
>>>>>> And you're not bright enough to avoid a paywall to read a single
>>>>>> article...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and the NY Times allows you view any of their pages on COVID-19
>>>>>> without restriction if you simply sign up for a free account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems like you're looking for excuses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But to make it clear, the NY Times site shows Indiana's cases are
>>>>>> rising, just as Johns Hopkins University's site shows. Up 8% over
>>>>>> the last 14 days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/indiana-covid-cases.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's even up 8% in your county, Liarboy:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/hamilton-indiana-covid-cases.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it shows a clear point in early June where a strong downward
>>>>>> trend basically stopped...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...just a little more than 30 days after Memorial Day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cherry-picked Biden? Name one thing that the administration has
>>>>>>> done other than an initial distribution tweak? Strongly
>>>>>>> encouraged vaccination? No. Requested prolonged mask use and
>>>>>>> discouraged large gatherings? No.
>>>>>> Cherry picked an article from 48 hours after the inauguration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan, just download the raw data from the primary source and stop
>>>>> quoting others:
>>>>> https://hub.mph.in.gov/dataset/ab9d97ab-84e3-4c19-97f8-af045ee51882/resource/182b6742-edac-442d-8eeb-62f96b17773e/download/covid_report_date.xlsx
>>>> And why do you imagine that this data is more accurate than Johns
>>>> Hopkins's data?
>>>>
>>>> What is your source for this faith?
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> CDC is reporting 407 new cases for 2 July, but INDH has not
>>>>> officially released a number. Just a week ago they stopped updating
>>>>> on Saturday and Sunday, so 1 July is the latest number on their site.
>>>>> Let's wait until Tuesday, the next reporting date due to the holiday,
>>>>> and see if that's an outlier from some previously unreported cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, where is the surge in the official data above through 1 July? If
>>>>> you cherry pick 1 July and 28 June it's a 5.5% increase. Otherwise
>>>>> 221 for the latest 7 day MA is one of the lowest since Memorial Day.
>>>>> In fact, it's less than half the week before Memorial Day that ended
>>>>> 30 May with a 472 average. If anything, maybe the 500 race reduced
>>>>> new cases. Probably had no effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remembered recently that lawyers do not call people liars. The
>>>>> polite adjective in unreliable. So, Unreliableboy, let's wait for
>>>>> more information instead of jumping to conclusions.
>>>>>
>>>> Suddenly, it's "let's wait"...
>>>
>>> Reply #2
>>>
>>> "Suddenly" you seem to have forgotten all about your claim of a post-Indy 500 race case surge. Another of your many unreliable statements. Your credibility is done.
>>>
>> You can clearly see a change in the trajectory at the precise point that
>> matches up with the expected latency after the Indy 500.
>>
>> It shows clearly in both JHU and Indiana's data, aligned within one day
>> of each other.
>
> Actually what you see in the valid data from INDHS is a downtrend before and after the May 500 race.

A down trend which slowed significantly after the race.

>
> The JH data has so many issues I do not know where to start. But I will anyway.
>
> Go to https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/indiana
>
> Click on past day
> Today it's showing 976 new cases.
> That's almost a week's worth.

And it shows no cases on the previous 3 days, so clearly just a matter
of not being able to GET the data for a couple of days.

>
> Click on past week
> Today it's showing 2,172 cases, actual is 1,667

And you get to decide which is actual... ...why?

> Today it's showing 40 deaths, actual is 22
>
> Scroll down to vaccinations
> Click on Last 90 Days
> It's showing an uptrend when the real trend is down
> It's showing 197,487 does administered on July 3. Actual is 4,537.
> The most we ever had in a day was about 60,000
>
> The JH data do agree closely with all time totals, but the recent timelines are way off. The vaccination data are not even close. I wish they were right.
> So what we have here is Unreliableboy quoting from an unreliable source.
>
> Please use the official INDOH data at https://hub.mph.in.gov/dataset?q=COVID instead of JH !

Because your government would NEVER lie to you!

LOLOLOLOLLOLOL

On 2021-07-07 8:50 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 11:25:55 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-06 10:38 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:04:52 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-06 9:58 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:32:43 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-05 8:30 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> More
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which states:
>>>>>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
>>>>>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
>>>>>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
>>>>>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
>>>>>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"? By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called infrastructure plan and his political legacy. Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you voted against Biden, then you voted FOR Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no other option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong again Unreliableboy. We had 3 candidates on the Indiana presidential ballot. I harnd another option. You're batting 0 lately.
>>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but reality is still reality.
>>>>
>>>> Voting for a 3rd candidate with no chance at all to win is still voting
>>>> for the fascist.
>>>
>>> Your logic defies me. It's voting against both other candidates. That's how friends who did take the 3rd option explained it to me.
>>>
>> You're essentially spoiling your ballot in a race where every vote might
>> have been vital.
>>
>> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
>
> That was my argument to my friends. They did not buy it.
>

It's the choice you made.

On 2021-07-07 8:33 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:42:21 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-06 10:39 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 1:04:11 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-06 9:57 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> More
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which states:
>>>>>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
>>>>>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
>>>>>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
>>>>>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
>>>>>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
>>>>>> First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
>>>>>> by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
>>>>>> refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
>>>>>>> By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
>>>>>> The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
>>>>>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
>>>>>>> infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
>>>>>> Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
>>>>>> yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
>>>>>>> Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
>>>>>> That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>
>>>>> And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.
>>>>>
>>>> That's the slam you fascists put on anyone left of you.
>>>
>>> I'm not a fascist. If anything I'm more of a moderate who sees both sides.
>>>
>> You call Biden a socialist.
>>
>> That's close enough for me.
>
> LOL
>

What are his "socialist" policies then?

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > More
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> > > > >
> > > > > Which states:
> > > > > “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> > > > > to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
> > > > >
> > > > > So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> > > > > > “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> > > > > > framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> > > > > > and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> > > > >
> > > > > Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fuck Trump to hell.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
> > > First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
> > >
> > > Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
> > > by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
> > > refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
> > > > By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
> > > The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
> > > > Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
> > > > infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
> > > Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
> > >
> > > For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
> > > yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
> > > > Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
> > > That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
> >
> > And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.
> No, for I just know history: history has repeatedly shown that fascists
> are the worst possible form of good governance.
>
> Likewise, I'm also familiar with how the Republican party's propaganda
> arm, which namely is to try to duplicitously conflate and label all forms
> of socialism into only possibly being the authoritative form, to bury the
> democratic socialist form found in the EU.
>
> So even if the "Socialist" label is true (can you do that? cite please), its
> just not a 'bad' of a form of government, especially compared to fascism.
>
> Plus the reality is that the US has many aspects of being a democratic socialist
> state too: anyone who wants to argue otherwise has to first stop being a lame
> hypocrite who's collecting their Social Security & Medicare/Medicaid benefits(!).
>
>
> -hh

The issue is that there is no national consensus to move further in the EU direction.

As for SS and Medicare, they are both VASTLY different from Europe. SS is the most similar, but funded in a different manner with less generous benefits. It's also only a supplement to private retirement programs. Medicare is totally different. To start with it kicks in at 65. Then to socialist healthcare systems are cradle to grave.

We are far from a fascist system. Look up the definition and you see pictures of Hitler, Mussolini and Chairman Mao.

On 2021-07-08 9:55 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> More
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which states:
>>>>>> “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
>>>>>> to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
>>>>>>> “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
>>>>>>> framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
>>>>>>> and regulations are left up to the states,…”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck Trump to hell.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
>>>> First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
>>>>
>>>> Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
>>>> by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
>>>> refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
>>>>> By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
>>>> The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
>>>>> Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
>>>>> infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
>>>> Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
>>>>
>>>> For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
>>>> yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
>>>>> Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
>>>> That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
>>>
>>> And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.
>> No, for I just know history: history has repeatedly shown that fascists
>> are the worst possible form of good governance.
>>
>> Likewise, I'm also familiar with how the Republican party's propaganda
>> arm, which namely is to try to duplicitously conflate and label all forms
>> of socialism into only possibly being the authoritative form, to bury the
>> democratic socialist form found in the EU.
>>
>> So even if the "Socialist" label is true (can you do that? cite please), its
>> just not a 'bad' of a form of government, especially compared to fascism.
>>
>> Plus the reality is that the US has many aspects of being a democratic socialist
>> state too: anyone who wants to argue otherwise has to first stop being a lame
>> hypocrite who's collecting their Social Security & Medicare/Medicaid benefits(!).
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> The issue is that there is no national consensus to move further in the EU direction.
>
> As for SS and Medicare, they are both VASTLY different from Europe. SS is the most similar, but funded in a different manner with less generous benefits. It's also only a supplement to private retirement programs. Medicare is totally different. To start with it kicks in at 65. Then to socialist healthcare systems are cradle to grave.
>
> We are far from a fascist system. Look up the definition and you see pictures of Hitler, Mussolini and Chairman Mao.
>

And Trump, and Barr, and a huge number of Republican legislators who are
passing laws to take control of who wins elections.

On Thursday, July 8, 2021 at 12:55:45 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 2:07:27 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 7:36:31 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 8:21:41 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:31:21 PM UTC-4, Thomas E. wrote:
> > > > > > > More
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://48hills.org/2021/06/why-has-biden-issued-no-covid-standards-for-workplaces/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which states:
> > > > > > “ On January 21, Biden ordered the Occupational Safety and Health Administration
> > > > > > to create emergency COVID safety standards for workplaces by mid-March.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So they’re running behind schedule … but they did start, whereas Trump:
> > > > > > > “[I]t has become increasingly clear that the federal pandemic response
> > > > > > > framework developed under the Trump administration – where rules
> > > > > > > and regulations are left up to the states,…”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did not even try to lead…yet you give him a buy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fuck Trump to hell.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 6 months later is "behind schedule"?
> > > > First, the original deadline of 3/31 was probably unrealistic.
> > > >
> > > > Second, there’s sure to be heavy behind the scenes lobbying
> > > > by Enterprise that’s obstructing on stuff, such as requiring any
> > > > refitting of HVAC’s, such as with UV sterilization systems.
> > > > > By the time it's done we may be in a different pandemic!
> > > > The basics will still apply for transmission mitigation.
> > > > > Fuck Sleepy Joe! All he is concerned about is his so-called
> > > > > infrastructure plan and his political legacy.
> > > > Political legacies come about as a result of one’s (in)actions.
> > > >
> > > > For example, Trump promised Infrastructure for four years,
> > > > yet never even got as far as Biden’s current attempt.
> > > > > Fuck Trump too. I voted against Biden, not for Trump.
> > > > That’s still a vote for Trump, a fascist. Shame on you.
> > >
> > > And you voted for a socialist. Shame on you.
> > No, for I just know history: history has repeatedly shown that fascists
> > are the worst possible form of good governance.
> >
> > Likewise, I'm also familiar with how the Republican party's propaganda
> > arm, which namely is to try to duplicitously conflate and label all forms
> > of socialism into only possibly being the authoritative form, to bury the
> > democratic socialist form found in the EU.
> >
> > So even if the "Socialist" label is true (can you do that? cite please), its
> > just not a 'bad' of a form of government, especially compared to fascism.
> >
> > Plus the reality is that the US has many aspects of being a democratic socialist
> > state too: anyone who wants to argue otherwise has to first stop being a lame
> > hypocrite who's collecting their Social Security & Medicare/Medicaid benefits(!).
>
> The issue is that there is no national consensus to move further in the EU direction.

There's also no national consensus to retreat away from it either.

> As for SS and Medicare, they are both VASTLY different from Europe. SS is the
> most similar, but funded in a different manner with less generous benefits.

So even though they're philosophically serving the same purpose and the one
is more generous than the other, just because the in-the-weeds pedantics
they're funded differently, they're supposedly "VASTLY" different? Not buying it.

> It's also only a supplement to private retirement programs.

Most of which no longer exist to be thusly supplemented.

> Medicare is totally different. To start with it kicks in at 65. Then to socialist
> healthcare systems are cradle to grave.

So the eligibility ages are different ... that's not really that huge of a change.
Plus there's been national discussions to expand Medicare (much more so
than to eliminate it) as well as "single payer".
> We are far from a fascist system.

Only because January 6th insurrection failed.

> Look up the definition and you see pictures of Hitler, Mussolini and Chairman Mao.

Within a ~decade, I expect Trump to be pictured there too.

-hh

On 2021-07-06 10:36 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
> On Monday, July 5, 2021 at 2:31:54 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-07-05 8:33 a.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 7:10:10 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-04 2:55 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, July 4, 2021 at 5:26:05 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-04 2:04 p.m., Thomas E. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 4:54:02 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 3, 2021 at 2:52:29 PM UTC-4, Thomas E.
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 25, 2021 at 11:55:53 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ... Which is also why CoVid rates are increasing in the
>>>>>>>>>> Midwest now too: a lack of controls to limit R0, along with
>>>>>>>>>> a population who doesn’t want to take the vaccine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which Midwest states are you talking about? Missouri is the
>>>>>>>>> only one I can find with any sign of an increase.
>>>>>>>> At the time, there were IIRC five States with increasing case
>>>>>>>> countsincreasing. Now there's 24 States who have reported
>>>>>>>> increases of +10% or more over the past fourteen days:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html>
>>>>>>>>> Biden could have encourage states to keep restrictions, he
>>>>>>>>> has done nothing. He could have taken a stronger position on
>>>>>>>>> vaccination. In fact, some months back, he stated that "There
>>>>>>>>> is nothing we can do to change the pandemic trajectory...".
>>>>>>>>> And, that's what his administration has done, nothing.
>>>>>>>>> Promise fulfilled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But of course you cherrypick a statement made 48 hours after
>>>>>>>> inauguration...plus you're forgetting that Trump
>>>>>>>> absolutely refused to cooperate with the transition, which set
>>>>>>>> them back ~3 months.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not have a NY Times subscription, and that article is behind
>>>>>>> the paywall. I found this instead.
>>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tracking-coronavirus-case-surges-states-across-country-winter-n1247103
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are states with upticks. Will that turn into a surge? Will it
>>>>>>> increase immunity? Maybe and yes.
>>>>>> And you're not bright enough to avoid a paywall to read a single
>>>>>> article...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and the NY Times allows you view any of their pages on COVID-19
>>>>>> without restriction if you simply sign up for a free account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems like you're looking for excuses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But to make it clear, the NY Times site shows Indiana's cases are
>>>>>> rising, just as Johns Hopkins University's site shows. Up 8% over
>>>>>> the last 14 days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/indiana-covid-cases.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's even up 8% in your county, Liarboy:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/hamilton-indiana-covid-cases.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it shows a clear point in early June where a strong downward
>>>>>> trend basically stopped...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...just a little more than 30 days after Memorial Day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cherry-picked Biden? Name one thing that the administration has
>>>>>>> done other than an initial distribution tweak? Strongly
>>>>>>> encouraged vaccination? No. Requested prolonged mask use and
>>>>>>> discouraged large gatherings? No.
>>>>>> Cherry picked an article from 48 hours after the inauguration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan, just download the raw data from the primary source and stop
>>>>> quoting others:
>>>>> https://hub.mph.in.gov/dataset/ab9d97ab-84e3-4c19-97f8-af045ee51882/resource/182b6742-edac-442d-8eeb-62f96b17773e/download/covid_report_date.xlsx
>>>> And why do you imagine that this data is more accurate than Johns
>>>> Hopkins's data?
>>>>
>>>> What is your source for this faith?
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> CDC is reporting 407 new cases for 2 July, but INDH has not
>>>>> officially released a number. Just a week ago they stopped updating
>>>>> on Saturday and Sunday, so 1 July is the latest number on their site.
>>>>> Let's wait until Tuesday, the next reporting date due to the holiday,
>>>>> and see if that's an outlier from some previously unreported cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, where is the surge in the official data above through 1 July? If
>>>>> you cherry pick 1 July and 28 June it's a 5.5% increase. Otherwise
>>>>> 221 for the latest 7 day MA is one of the lowest since Memorial Day.
>>>>> In fact, it's less than half the week before Memorial Day that ended
>>>>> 30 May with a 472 average. If anything, maybe the 500 race reduced
>>>>> new cases. Probably had no effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remembered recently that lawyers do not call people liars. The
>>>>> polite adjective in unreliable. So, Unreliableboy, let's wait for
>>>>> more information instead of jumping to conclusions.
>>>>>
>>>> Suddenly, it's "let's wait"...
>>>
>>> Reply #2
>>>
>>> "Suddenly" you seem to have forgotten all about your claim of a post-Indy 500 race case surge. Another of your many unreliable statements. Your credibility is done.
> Bottom line? COVID is still here, simmering along and infecting the unvaccinated. Is that a bad thing? Not entirely. Deaths remain very low, about 2/day, almost all among the unvaccinated or prior case population. Immunity is increasing from vaccination and COVID cases.

Bottom line:

Cases are on the rise in Indiana...

<https://www.coronavirus.in.gov/2393.htm>

Two weeks ago, the 7-day moving average for cases was 239. It was as low
as 194 cases per day 9 days ago.

Today...

FROM YOUR SOURCE

....the moving average has risen to 268.