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On 4/3/2023 5:57 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
> On 4/1/2023 6:22 PM, max headroom wrote:
>> On 4/1/2023 6:07 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
>>> On 4/1/2023 5:53 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>> On 4/1/2023 5:39 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 07:46:18 -0400, max headroom
>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>> If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American
>>>>>> president would have been hanged. By violation of the Nuremberg
>>>>>> laws I
>>>>>> mean the same kind of crimes for which people were hanged in
>>>>>> Nuremberg.
>>>>>> And Nuremberg means Nuremberg and Tokyo. So first of all you’ve
>>>>>> got to
>>>>>> think back as to what people were hanged for at Nuremberg and
>>>>>> Tokyo. And
>>>>>> once you think back, the question doesn’t even require a moment’s
>>>>>> waste
>>>>>> of time. For example, one general at the Tokyo trials, which were
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> worst, General Yamashita, was hanged on the grounds that troops
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> Philippines, which were technically under his command (though it
>>>>>> was so
>>>>>> late in the war that he had no contact with them — it was the
>>>>>> very end
>>>>>> of the war and there were some troops running around the
>>>>>> Philippines who
>>>>>> he had no contact with), had carried out atrocities, so he was
>>>>>> hanged.
>>>>>> Well, try that one out and you’ve already wiped out everybody.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But getting closer to the sort of core of the Nuremberg-Tokyo
>>>>>> tribunals,
>>>>>> in Truman’s case at the Tokyo tribunal, there was one authentic,
>>>>>> independent Asian justice, an Indian, who was also the one person
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> court who had any background in international law [Radhabinod
>>>>>> Pal], and
>>>>>> he dissented from the whole judgment, dissented from the whole
>>>>>> thing. He
>>>>>> wrote a very interesting and important dissent, seven hundred
>>>>>> pages —
>>>>>> you can find it in the Harvard Law Library, that’s where I found it,
>>>>>> maybe somewhere else, and it’s interesting reading. He goes
>>>>>> through the
>>>>>> trial record and shows, I think pretty convincingly, it was pretty
>>>>>> farcical. He ends up by saying something like this: if there is any
>>>>>> crime in the Pacific theater that compares with the crimes of the
>>>>>> Nazis,
>>>>>> for which they’re being hanged at Nuremberg, it was the dropping
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> two atom bombs. And he says nothing of that sort can be
>>>>>> attributed to
>>>>>> the present accused. Well, that’s a plausible argument, I think,
>>>>>> if you
>>>>>> look at the background. Truman proceeded to organize a major
>>>>>> counter-insurgency campaign in Greece which killed off about one
>>>>>> hundred
>>>>>> and sixty thousand people, sixty thousand refugees, another sixty
>>>>>> thousand or so people tortured, political system dismantled,
>>>>>> right-wing
>>>>>> regime. American corporations came in and took it over. I think
>>>>>> that’s a
>>>>>> crime under Nuremberg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, what about Eisenhower? You could argue over whether his
>>>>>> overthrow
>>>>>> of the government of Guatemala was a crime. There was a
>>>>>> CIA-backed army,
>>>>>> which went in under U.S. threats and bombing and so on to
>>>>>> undermine that
>>>>>> capitalist democracy. I think that’s a crime. The invasion of
>>>>>> Lebanon in
>>>>>> 1958, I don’t know, you could argue. A lot of people were killed.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> overthrow of the government of Iran is another one — through a
>>>>>> CIA-backed coup. But Guatemala suffices for Eisenhower and there’s
>>>>>> plenty more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kennedy is easy. The invasion of Cuba was outright aggression.
>>>>>> Eisenhower planned it, incidentally, so he was involved in a
>>>>>> conspiracy
>>>>>> to invade another country, which we can add to his score. After the
>>>>>> invasion of Cuba, Kennedy launched a huge terrorist campaign against
>>>>>> Cuba, which was very serious. No joke. Bombardment of industrial
>>>>>> installations with killing of plenty of people, bombing hotels,
>>>>>> sinking
>>>>>> fishing boats, sabotage. Later, under Nixon, it even went as far as
>>>>>> poisoning livestock and so on. Big affair. And then came Vietnam; he
>>>>>> invaded Vietnam. He invaded South Vietnam in 1962. He sent the
>>>>>> U.S. Air
>>>>>> Force to start bombing. Okay. We took care of Kennedy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Johnson is trivial. The Indochina war alone, forget the invasion
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> Dominican Republic, was a major war crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nixon the same. Nixon invaded Cambodia. The Nixon-Kissinger
>>>>>> bombing of
>>>>>> Cambodia in the early ’70’s was not all that different from the
>>>>>> Khmer
>>>>>> Rouge atrocities, in scale somewhat less, but not much less. Same
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> true in Laos. I could go on case after case with them, that’s easy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ford was only there for a very short time so he didn’t have time
>>>>>> for a
>>>>>> lot of crimes, but he managed one major one. He supported the
>>>>>> Indonesian
>>>>>> invasion of East Timor, which was near genocidal. I mean, it makes
>>>>>> Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait look like a tea party. That was
>>>>>> supported decisively by the United States, both the diplmatic and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> necessary military support came primarily from the United States.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> was picked up under Carter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carter was the least violent of American presidents but he did
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> which I think would certainly fall under Nuremberg provisions. As
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Indonesian atrocities increased to a level of really
>>>>>> near-genocide, the
>>>>>> U.S. aid under Carter increased. It reached a peak in 1978 as the
>>>>>> atrocities peaked. So we took care of Carter, even forgetting
>>>>>> other things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reagan. It’s not a question. I mean, the stuff in Central America
>>>>>> alone
>>>>>> suffices. Support for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon also makes
>>>>>> Saddam
>>>>>> Hussein look pretty mild in terms of casualties and destruction.
>>>>>> That
>>>>>> suffices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bush. Well, need we talk on? In fact, in the Reagan period
>>>>>> there’s even
>>>>>> an International Court of Justice decision on what they call the
>>>>>> “unlawful use of force” for which Reagan and Bush were condemned. I
>>>>>> mean, you could argue about some of these people, but I think you
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> make a pretty strong case if you look at the Nuremberg decisions,
>>>>>> Nuremberg and Tokyo, and you ask what people were condemned for.
>>>>>> I think
>>>>>> American presidents are well within the range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, bear in mind, people ought to be pretty critical about the
>>>>>> Nuremberg principles. I don’t mean to suggest they’re some kind
>>>>>> of model
>>>>>> of probity or anything. For one thing, they were ex post facto.
>>>>>> These
>>>>>> were determined to be crimes by the victors after they had won. Now,
>>>>>> that already raises questions. In the case of the American
>>>>>> presidents,
>>>>>> they weren’t ex post facto. Furthermore, you have to ask yourself
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> was called a “war crime”? How did they decide what was a war
>>>>>> crime at
>>>>>> Nuremberg and Tokyo? And the answer is pretty simple. and not very
>>>>>> pleasant. There was a criterion. Kind of like an operational
>>>>>> criterion.
>>>>>> If the enemy had done it and couldn’t show that we had done it,
>>>>>> then it
>>>>>> was a war crime. So like bombing of urban concentrations was not
>>>>>> considered a war crime because we had done more of it than the
>>>>>> Germans
>>>>>> and the Japanese. So that wasn’t a war crime. You want to turn Tokyo
>>>>>> into rubble? So much rubble you can’t even drop an atom bomb there
>>>>>> because nobody will see anything if you do, which is the real reason
>>>>>> they didn’t bomb Tokyo. That’s not a war crime because we did it.
>>>>>> Bombing Dresden is not a war crime. We did it. German Admiral
>>>>>> Gernetz —
>>>>>> when he was brought to trial (he was a submarine commander or
>>>>>> something)
>>>>>> for sinking merchant vessels or whatever he did — he called as a
>>>>>> defense
>>>>>> witness American Admiral Nimitz who testified that the U.S. had done
>>>>>> pretty much the same thing, so he was off, he didn’t get tried.
>>>>>> And in
>>>>>> fact if you run through the whole record, it turns out a war
>>>>>> crime is
>>>>>> any war crime that you can condemn them for but they can’t
>>>>>> condemn us
>>>>>> for. Well, you know, that raises some questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should say, actually, that this, interestingly, is said pretty
>>>>>> openly
>>>>>> by the people involved and it’s regarded as a moral position. The
>>>>>> chief
>>>>>> prosecutor at Nuremberg was Telford Taylor. You know, a decent
>>>>>> man. He
>>>>>> wrote a book called Nuremberg and Vietnam. And in it he tries to
>>>>>> consider whether there are crimes in Vietnam that fall under the
>>>>>> Nuremberg principles. Predictably, he says not. But it’s
>>>>>> interesting to
>>>>>> see how he spells out the Nuremberg principles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They’re just the way I said. In fact, I’m taking it from him, but he
>>>>>> doesn’t regard that as a criticism. He says, well, that’s the way
>>>>>> we did
>>>>>> it, and should have done it that way. There’s an article on this
>>>>>> in The
>>>>>> Yale Law Journal [“Review Symposium: War Crimes, the Rule of
>>>>>> Force in
>>>>>> International Affairs,” The Yale Law Journal, Vol. 80, #7, June
>>>>>> 1971]
>>>>>> which is reprinted in a book [Chapter 3 of Chomsky’s For Reasons of
>>>>>> State (Pantheon, 1973)] if you’re interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think one ought to raise many questions about the Nuremberg
>>>>>> tribunal,
>>>>>> and especially the Tokyo tribunal. The Tokyo tribunal was in many
>>>>>> ways
>>>>>> farcical. The people condemned at Tokyo had done things for which
>>>>>> plenty
>>>>>> of people on the other side could be condemned. Furthermore, just
>>>>>> as in
>>>>>> the case of Saddam Hussein, many of their worst atrocities the U.S.
>>>>>> didn’t care about. Like some of the worst atrocities of the Japanese
>>>>>> were in the late ’30s, but the U.S. didn’t especially care about
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> What the U.S. cared about was that Japan was moving to close off the
>>>>>> China market. That was no good. But not the slaughter of a couple of
>>>>>> hundred thousand people or whatever they did in Nanking. That’s
>>>>>> not a
>>>>>> big deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://chomsky.info/1990____-2/
>>>>>>
>>>>> Holy shit!!! We are real arseholes. LOL
>>>>
>>>> Yes. LOL
>>>>
>>>
>>> How about I give you a little blow job?
>>>
>>
>> No. I am not gay. Go away.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>>
>>
>
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 by: Leper - Tue, 4 Apr 2023 18:38 UTC

On 4/3/2023 4:57 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
> On 4/1/2023 3:22 PM, max headroom wrote:
>
>>> How about a little face-to-face meetup? See what you can forge then.
>>>
>>
>> No. I am a mentally ill coward. I must go eat some shit now.
>
> You need to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

Both of you! Go stand in the corner! Separate corners!
>

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 by: Kẻ giả mạo là - Tue, 4 Apr 2023 22:20 UTC

On 4/3/2023 4:23 PM, mentally ill forging fucktard wrote:

> On 4/3/2023 5:57 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
>> On 4/1/2023 6:22 PM, mentally ill forging fucktard wrote:
>>> On 4/1/2023 6:07 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How about a little face-to-face meetup? See what you can forge then.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No. I am a mentally ill coward. I must go eat some shit now.
>>>
>> You need to be terminated with extreme prejudice.
>>
> Yes. I am a mentally ill coward. I must go eat some more shit now.

Your brutal end will be savage and ugly. Nobody will care.

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 by: max headroom - Tue, 4 Apr 2023 23:44 UTC

On 4/4/2023 6:20 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
> On 4/3/2023 7:23 PM, max headroom wrote:
>> On 4/3/2023 5:57 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
>>> On 4/1/2023 6:22 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>> On 4/1/2023 6:07 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
>>>>> On 4/1/2023 5:53 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/1/2023 5:39 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 1 Apr 2023 07:46:18 -0400, max headroom
>>>>>>> <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American
>>>>>>>> president would have been hanged. By violation of the Nuremberg
>>>>>>>> laws I
>>>>>>>> mean the same kind of crimes for which people were hanged in
>>>>>>>> Nuremberg.
>>>>>>>> And Nuremberg means Nuremberg and Tokyo. So first of all you’ve
>>>>>>>> got to
>>>>>>>> think back as to what people were hanged for at Nuremberg and
>>>>>>>> Tokyo. And
>>>>>>>> once you think back, the question doesn’t even require a
>>>>>>>> moment’s waste
>>>>>>>> of time. For example, one general at the Tokyo trials, which
>>>>>>>> were the
>>>>>>>> worst, General Yamashita, was hanged on the grounds that troops
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> Philippines, which were technically under his command (though
>>>>>>>> it was so
>>>>>>>> late in the war that he had no contact with them — it was the
>>>>>>>> very end
>>>>>>>> of the war and there were some troops running around the
>>>>>>>> Philippines who
>>>>>>>> he had no contact with), had carried out atrocities, so he was
>>>>>>>> hanged.
>>>>>>>> Well, try that one out and you’ve already wiped out everybody.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But getting closer to the sort of core of the Nuremberg-Tokyo
>>>>>>>> tribunals,
>>>>>>>> in Truman’s case at the Tokyo tribunal, there was one authentic,
>>>>>>>> independent Asian justice, an Indian, who was also the one
>>>>>>>> person in the
>>>>>>>> court who had any background in international law [Radhabinod
>>>>>>>> Pal], and
>>>>>>>> he dissented from the whole judgment, dissented from the whole
>>>>>>>> thing. He
>>>>>>>> wrote a very interesting and important dissent, seven hundred
>>>>>>>> pages —
>>>>>>>> you can find it in the Harvard Law Library, that’s where I
>>>>>>>> found it,
>>>>>>>> maybe somewhere else, and it’s interesting reading. He goes
>>>>>>>> through the
>>>>>>>> trial record and shows, I think pretty convincingly, it was pretty
>>>>>>>> farcical. He ends up by saying something like this: if there is
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> crime in the Pacific theater that compares with the crimes of
>>>>>>>> the Nazis,
>>>>>>>> for which they’re being hanged at Nuremberg, it was the
>>>>>>>> dropping of the
>>>>>>>> two atom bombs. And he says nothing of that sort can be
>>>>>>>> attributed to
>>>>>>>> the present accused. Well, that’s a plausible argument, I
>>>>>>>> think, if you
>>>>>>>> look at the background. Truman proceeded to organize a major
>>>>>>>> counter-insurgency campaign in Greece which killed off about
>>>>>>>> one hundred
>>>>>>>> and sixty thousand people, sixty thousand refugees, another sixty
>>>>>>>> thousand or so people tortured, political system dismantled,
>>>>>>>> right-wing
>>>>>>>> regime. American corporations came in and took it over. I think
>>>>>>>> that’s a
>>>>>>>> crime under Nuremberg.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, what about Eisenhower? You could argue over whether his
>>>>>>>> overthrow
>>>>>>>> of the government of Guatemala was a crime. There was a
>>>>>>>> CIA-backed army,
>>>>>>>> which went in under U.S. threats and bombing and so on to
>>>>>>>> undermine that
>>>>>>>> capitalist democracy. I think that’s a crime. The invasion of
>>>>>>>> Lebanon in
>>>>>>>> 1958, I don’t know, you could argue. A lot of people were
>>>>>>>> killed. The
>>>>>>>> overthrow of the government of Iran is another one — through a
>>>>>>>> CIA-backed coup. But Guatemala suffices for Eisenhower and there’s
>>>>>>>> plenty more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kennedy is easy. The invasion of Cuba was outright aggression.
>>>>>>>> Eisenhower planned it, incidentally, so he was involved in a
>>>>>>>> conspiracy
>>>>>>>> to invade another country, which we can add to his score. After
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> invasion of Cuba, Kennedy launched a huge terrorist campaign
>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>> Cuba, which was very serious. No joke. Bombardment of industrial
>>>>>>>> installations with killing of plenty of people, bombing hotels,
>>>>>>>> sinking
>>>>>>>> fishing boats, sabotage. Later, under Nixon, it even went as
>>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>>> poisoning livestock and so on. Big affair. And then came
>>>>>>>> Vietnam; he
>>>>>>>> invaded Vietnam. He invaded South Vietnam in 1962. He sent the
>>>>>>>> U.S. Air
>>>>>>>> Force to start bombing. Okay. We took care of Kennedy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Johnson is trivial. The Indochina war alone, forget the
>>>>>>>> invasion of the
>>>>>>>> Dominican Republic, was a major war crime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nixon the same. Nixon invaded Cambodia. The Nixon-Kissinger
>>>>>>>> bombing of
>>>>>>>> Cambodia in the early ’70’s was not all that different from the
>>>>>>>> Khmer
>>>>>>>> Rouge atrocities, in scale somewhat less, but not much less.
>>>>>>>> Same was
>>>>>>>> true in Laos. I could go on case after case with them, that’s
>>>>>>>> easy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ford was only there for a very short time so he didn’t have
>>>>>>>> time for a
>>>>>>>> lot of crimes, but he managed one major one. He supported the
>>>>>>>> Indonesian
>>>>>>>> invasion of East Timor, which was near genocidal. I mean, it makes
>>>>>>>> Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait look like a tea party. That
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> supported decisively by the United States, both the diplmatic
>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>> necessary military support came primarily from the United
>>>>>>>> States. This
>>>>>>>> was picked up under Carter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carter was the least violent of American presidents but he did
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> which I think would certainly fall under Nuremberg provisions.
>>>>>>>> As the
>>>>>>>> Indonesian atrocities increased to a level of really
>>>>>>>> near-genocide, the
>>>>>>>> U.S. aid under Carter increased. It reached a peak in 1978 as the
>>>>>>>> atrocities peaked. So we took care of Carter, even forgetting
>>>>>>>> other things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reagan. It’s not a question. I mean, the stuff in Central
>>>>>>>> America alone
>>>>>>>> suffices. Support for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon also
>>>>>>>> makes Saddam
>>>>>>>> Hussein look pretty mild in terms of casualties and
>>>>>>>> destruction. That
>>>>>>>> suffices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bush. Well, need we talk on? In fact, in the Reagan period
>>>>>>>> there’s even
>>>>>>>> an International Court of Justice decision on what they call the
>>>>>>>> “unlawful use of force” for which Reagan and Bush were
>>>>>>>> condemned. I
>>>>>>>> mean, you could argue about some of these people, but I think
>>>>>>>> you could
>>>>>>>> make a pretty strong case if you look at the Nuremberg decisions,
>>>>>>>> Nuremberg and Tokyo, and you ask what people were condemned
>>>>>>>> for. I think
>>>>>>>> American presidents are well within the range.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, bear in mind, people ought to be pretty critical about the
>>>>>>>> Nuremberg principles. I don’t mean to suggest they’re some kind
>>>>>>>> of model
>>>>>>>> of probity or anything. For one thing, they were ex post facto.
>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>> were determined to be crimes by the victors after they had won.
>>>>>>>> Now,
>>>>>>>> that already raises questions. In the case of the American
>>>>>>>> presidents,
>>>>>>>> they weren’t ex post facto. Furthermore, you have to ask
>>>>>>>> yourself what
>>>>>>>> was called a “war crime”? How did they decide what was a war
>>>>>>>> crime at
>>>>>>>> Nuremberg and Tokyo? And the answer is pretty simple. and not very
>>>>>>>> pleasant. There was a criterion. Kind of like an operational
>>>>>>>> criterion.
>>>>>>>> If the enemy had done it and couldn’t show that we had done it,
>>>>>>>> then it
>>>>>>>> was a war crime. So like bombing of urban concentrations was not
>>>>>>>> considered a war crime because we had done more of it than the
>>>>>>>> Germans
>>>>>>>> and the Japanese. So that wasn’t a war crime. You want to turn
>>>>>>>> Tokyo
>>>>>>>> into rubble? So much rubble you can’t even drop an atom bomb there
>>>>>>>> because nobody will see anything if you do, which is the real
>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>> they didn’t bomb Tokyo. That’s not a war crime because we did it.
>>>>>>>> Bombing Dresden is not a war crime. We did it. German Admiral
>>>>>>>> Gernetz —
>>>>>>>> when he was brought to trial (he was a submarine commander or
>>>>>>>> something)
>>>>>>>> for sinking merchant vessels or whatever he did — he called as
>>>>>>>> a defense
>>>>>>>> witness American Admiral Nimitz who testified that the U.S. had
>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>> pretty much the same thing, so he was off, he didn’t get tried.
>>>>>>>> And in
>>>>>>>> fact if you run through the whole record, it turns out a war
>>>>>>>> crime is
>>>>>>>> any war crime that you can condemn them for but they can’t
>>>>>>>> condemn us
>>>>>>>> for. Well, you know, that raises some questions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I should say, actually, that this, interestingly, is said
>>>>>>>> pretty openly
>>>>>>>> by the people involved and it’s regarded as a moral position.
>>>>>>>> The chief
>>>>>>>> prosecutor at Nuremberg was Telford Taylor. You know, a decent
>>>>>>>> man. He
>>>>>>>> wrote a book called Nuremberg and Vietnam. And in it he tries to
>>>>>>>> consider whether there are crimes in Vietnam that fall under the
>>>>>>>> Nuremberg principles. Predictably, he says not. But it’s
>>>>>>>> interesting to
>>>>>>>> see how he spells out the Nuremberg principles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They’re just the way I said. In fact, I’m taking it from him,
>>>>>>>> but he
>>>>>>>> doesn’t regard that as a criticism. He says, well, that’s the
>>>>>>>> way we did
>>>>>>>> it, and should have done it that way. There’s an article on
>>>>>>>> this in The
>>>>>>>> Yale Law Journal [“Review Symposium: War Crimes, the Rule of
>>>>>>>> Force in
>>>>>>>> International Affairs,” The Yale Law Journal, Vol. 80, #7, June
>>>>>>>> 1971]
>>>>>>>> which is reprinted in a book [Chapter 3 of Chomsky’s For
>>>>>>>> Reasons of
>>>>>>>> State (Pantheon, 1973)] if you’re interested.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think one ought to raise many questions about the Nuremberg
>>>>>>>> tribunal,
>>>>>>>> and especially the Tokyo tribunal. The Tokyo tribunal was in
>>>>>>>> many ways
>>>>>>>> farcical. The people condemned at Tokyo had done things for
>>>>>>>> which plenty
>>>>>>>> of people on the other side could be condemned. Furthermore,
>>>>>>>> just as in
>>>>>>>> the case of Saddam Hussein, many of their worst atrocities the
>>>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>>>> didn’t care about. Like some of the worst atrocities of the
>>>>>>>> Japanese
>>>>>>>> were in the late ’30s, but the U.S. didn’t especially care
>>>>>>>> about that.
>>>>>>>> What the U.S. cared about was that Japan was moving to close
>>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>>> China market. That was no good. But not the slaughter of a
>>>>>>>> couple of
>>>>>>>> hundred thousand people or whatever they did in Nanking. That’s
>>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>> big deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://chomsky.info/1990____-2/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Holy shit!!! We are real arseholes. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How about I give you a little blow job?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. I am not gay. Go away.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And I'll let me fuck my arse?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No. I am not gay. Go away.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>>
>
>
> I think I love you. My arse is welling up. Please fuck me.
>


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 by: Kẻ giả mạo là - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 01:58 UTC

On 4/4/2023 4:44 PM, max headroom wrote:

> On 4/4/2023 6:20 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
>> On 4/3/2023 7:23 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>> On 4/3/2023 5:57 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
>>>> On 4/1/2023 6:22 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>> On 4/1/2023 6:07 PM, Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about a little face-to-face meetup? See what you can forge then.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. I am a mentally ill coward. I must go eat some shit now.
>>>>
>>>> You need to be terminated with extreme prejudice.
>>>>
>>> Yes. I am a mentally ill coward. I must go eat some more shit now.
>>
>> Your brutal end will be savage and ugly. Nobody will care.
>>
>
> Yes. I deserved to be doused in highly toxic and flammable liquids
> and set on fire. It will make everyone LOL

Your charred corpse won't be worth being fed to starving street dogs.

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 by: Gronk - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:44 UTC

Yak wrote:
> On 3/27/2023 5:34 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> 129 mass shootings in the USA in 85 days:
>>   |
>>   | Monday morning's shooting at the Covenant School in
>>   | Nashville, Tennessee, is the 129th mass shooting in the US
>>   | so far in 2023, according to data from the Gun Violence
>>   | Archive.
>>   | ...
>> <https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_41d1fe7c17a5c8860fa4ced2e05f12ca>
>
> Yeah...and???

How many mass shootings in other countries up to this point
in time? Or is it just in the US?

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 by: Governor Swill - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:19 UTC

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 18:58:25 -0700, K? gi? m?o là sâu b? <forgers@su.ck> wrote:

>On 4/4/2023 4:44 PM, max headroom wrote:
>
>> On 4/4/2023 6:20 PM, K? gi? m?o là sâu b? wrote:
>>> On 4/3/2023 7:23 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>> On 4/3/2023 5:57 PM, K? gi? m?o là sâu b? wrote:
>>>>> On 4/1/2023 6:22 PM, max headroom wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/1/2023 6:07 PM, K? gi? m?o là sâu b? wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about a little face-to-face meetup? See what you can forge then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. I am a mentally ill coward. I must go eat some shit now.
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to be terminated with extreme prejudice.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes. I am a mentally ill coward. I must go eat some more shit now.
>>>
>>> Your brutal end will be savage and ugly. Nobody will care.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. I deserved to be doused in highly toxic and flammable liquids
>> and set on fire. It will make everyone LOL
>
>Your charred corpse won't be worth being fed to starving street dogs.

He's Russian?

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 by: Governor Swill - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 06:21 UTC

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 21:44:01 -0600, Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Yak wrote:
>> On 3/27/2023 5:34 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> 129 mass shootings in the USA in 85 days:
>>>   |
>>>   | Monday morning's shooting at the Covenant School in
>>>   | Nashville, Tennessee, is the 129th mass shooting in the US
>>>   | so far in 2023, according to data from the Gun Violence
>>>   | Archive.
>>>   | ...
>>> <https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_41d1fe7c17a5c8860fa4ced2e05f12ca>
>>
>> Yeah...and???
>
>How many mass shootings in other countries up to this point
>in time? Or is it just in the US?

Surprise!

<https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country>

Swill
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On 4/5/2023 2:19 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> He's Russian?
>
> Swill

No, the arsehole who posts as "Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ" is a useless
motherfucker.

LOL

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 by: Yak - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 12:16 UTC

On 4/4/2023 11:44 PM, Gronk wrote:
> Yak wrote:
>> On 3/27/2023 5:34 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> 129 mass shootings in the USA in 85 days:
>>>   |
>>>   | Monday morning's shooting at the Covenant School in
>>>   | Nashville, Tennessee, is the 129th mass shooting in the US
>>>   | so far in 2023, according to data from the Gun Violence
>>>   | Archive.
>>>   | ...
>>> <https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_41d1fe7c17a5c8860fa4ced2e05f12ca>
>>
>> Yeah...and???
>
> How many mass shootings in other countries up to this point
> in time? Or is it just in the US?

I don't know. Nor do I care.

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 by: pyotr filipivich - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 15:09 UTC

Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> on Sat, 1 Apr 2023 11:51:21 -0400
typed in alt.survival the following:
>On 4/1/2023 11:19 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Mike Pompeii <ShitfaceWarmonger@gmail.com> on Fri, 31 Mar 2023
>> 06:46:08 -0400 typed in alt.survival the following:
>>> On 3/31/2023 5:55 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> By the end of the century only China and the EU can seriously rival us.
>>>
>>> We have fucked the EU big time. Without the cheap energy from Russia,
>>> the Europeans will be under our thumb, totally dependent on us for oil
>>> and gas. Consider them goners. Stupid Europeans. LOL
>> LOL. Now just who is going to be producing that oil that "we" are
>> going to be supplying?
>
>The Europeans will get oil from the US and other oil produces except
>Russia. The oil prices in Europe will go up dramatically because of
>higher transportation cost (instead of a pipeline from Russia). The oil
>prices in the US will also go up because of higher demand for export to
>Europe.

And where is this oil coming from? Out of the massive savings
resulting from the conversion to windmills and solar panels for
electrical production?

Update your boilerplate - the American government is opposed to
the production of oil in the US.
>
>
>>
>> Congratulations though, it is a rare thing to live when an Empire
>> comes to an end.
>We have already witnessed the ending of the once mighty British Empire.
>The Brits exhausted itself trying to keep Germany down in WWI, and then
>again in WWII. The British Empire lost most of its worldly colonial
>possessions, and has now become a US lapdog ("a special relationship",
>as Boris Johnson boasted). Pity.

You might want to update your boiler plate on this as well.

The "empire" I was referring to is the American one. The "Pax
Americana" is over.
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 by: pyotr filipivich - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 15:09 UTC

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> on Sat, 01 Apr 2023 17:42:37
-0400 typed in alt.survival the following:
>On Sat, 01 Apr 2023 08:19:34 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Mike Pompeii <ShitfaceWarmonger@gmail.com> on Fri, 31 Mar 2023
>>06:46:08 -0400 typed in alt.survival the following:
>>>On 3/31/2023 5:55 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> By the end of the century only China and the EU can seriously rival us.
>>>
>>>
>>>We have fucked the EU big time. Without the cheap energy from Russia,
>>>the Europeans will be under our thumb, totally dependent on us for oil
>>>and gas. Consider them goners. Stupid Europeans. LOL
>>
>> LOL. Now just who is going to be producing that oil that "we" are
>>going to be supplying?
>
>They already have new deals with the ME for gas and oil.

Have you noticed that the Saudis are now selling oil for other
than dollars?
That the Indians are buying oil in Rubles?

That the petrodollar's days are numbered?
>
>> Congratulations though, it is a rare thing to live when an Empire
>>comes to an end.
>
>Won't be the first Russian Empire to collapse.

That wasn't the empire I had in mind.
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 by: Kẻ giả mạo là - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 18:30 UTC

On 4/5/2023 2:41 AM, Scout the shitstain wrote:
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>
> On 4/5/2023 2:19 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> He's Russian?
>>
>
> No

Correct, he's not.

But you're the most clueless motherfucker out there.

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 by: max headroom - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 18:35 UTC

On 4/5/2023 5:41 AM, Scout wrote:
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>
> On 4/5/2023 2:19 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> He's Russian?
>>
>> Swill
>
>
> No, the arsehole who posts as "Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ" is a useless
> motherfucker.
>
> LOL
>
>

That shameless mofo "Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ" must be a mouth breathing
inbred. LOL

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 by: Michael McLean - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 19:55 UTC

On 4/5/2023 2:35 PM, max headroom wrote:
> On 4/5/2023 5:41 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 4/5/2023 2:19 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> He's Russian?
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>>
>> No, the arsehole who posts as "Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ" is a useless
>> motherfucker.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>>
>
>
> That shameless mofo "Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ" must be a mouth breathing
> inbred. LOL
>
>

That shameless mouthfucker uses a name that looks like Vietnamese,
according to Google. That is one stupid motherfucker. I bet he/she is
not really Vietnamese. LOL

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 by: Scout - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:23 UTC

On 4/5/2023 3:55 PM, Michael McLean wrote:
> On 4/5/2023 2:35 PM, max headroom wrote:
>> On 4/5/2023 5:41 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/5/2023 2:19 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> He's Russian?
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>>
>>> No, the arsehole who posts as "Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ" is a useless
>>> motherfucker.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> That shameless mofo "Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ" must be a mouth breathing
>> inbred. LOL
>>
>>
>
>
> That shameless mouthfucker uses a name that looks like Vietnamese,
> according to Google. That is one stupid motherfucker. I bet he/she is
> not really Vietnamese. LOL
>

That shameless mofo "Kẻ giả mạo là sâu bọ" is apparently gay. He has
been begging max headroom to fuck his arse. LOL

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 by: Governor Swill - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:42 UTC

On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 08:09:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> on Sat, 1 Apr 2023 11:51:21 -0400
>typed in alt.survival the following:
>>On 4/1/2023 11:19 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Mike Pompeii <ShitfaceWarmonger@gmail.com> on Fri, 31 Mar 2023
>>> 06:46:08 -0400 typed in alt.survival the following:
>>>> On 3/31/2023 5:55 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> By the end of the century only China and the EU can seriously rival us.
>>>>
>>>> We have fucked the EU big time. Without the cheap energy from Russia,
>>>> the Europeans will be under our thumb, totally dependent on us for oil
>>>> and gas. Consider them goners. Stupid Europeans. LOL
>>> LOL. Now just who is going to be producing that oil that "we" are
>>> going to be supplying?
>>
>>The Europeans will get oil from the US and other oil produces except
>>Russia. The oil prices in Europe will go up dramatically because of
>>higher transportation cost (instead of a pipeline from Russia). The oil
>>prices in the US will also go up because of higher demand for export to
>>Europe.
>
> And where is this oil coming from? Out of the massive savings
>resulting from the conversion to windmills and solar panels for
>electrical production?

Oil is a global commodity. As Russia shifts to serve China, other oil producers,
including the US will shift to serve Europe.

> Update your boilerplate - the American government is opposed to
>the production of oil in the US.

More bullshit from the rabid right. For years, decades we've been one of the top three
oil producers but our greed and addiction to the black gold means that even then we use
more than we pump. Thirty years ago, oil imports were the largest components of our
import trade, today, it's a tiny fraction due mostly to fracking.

>>> Congratulations though, it is a rare thing to live when an Empire
>>> comes to an end.
>>We have already witnessed the ending of the once mighty British Empire.
>>The Brits exhausted itself trying to keep Germany down in WWI, and then
>>again in WWII. The British Empire lost most of its worldly colonial
>>possessions, and has now become a US lapdog ("a special relationship",
>>as Boris Johnson boasted). Pity.
>
> You might want to update your boiler plate on this as well.
>
> The "empire" I was referring to is the American one. The "Pax
>Americana" is over.

Not really, although the petrodollar is beginning to fade. No matter, a main cause of
war in the modern world is trade disputes. That's how the US ended up providing and
regulating the chief international trade currency. The euro is taking up some of this
trade but lately nations are making agreements to trade with each other in their own
currencies.

Ultimately this leads to disputes that escalate into wars. But that's ok. If the world
decides to ditch Pax Americana, I hope they enjoy SinoPax.

Swill

--
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and put our democracy first. - Arnold Schwarzenegger

Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine! Putin is a condom!

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On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 08:09:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>Won't be the first Russian Empire to collapse.
>
> That wasn't the empire I had in mind.

Should have been. There's little of it left and there'll be less tomorrow.

Swill
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On 4/5/2023 4:42 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 08:09:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> on Sat, 1 Apr 2023 11:51:21 -0400
>> typed in alt.survival the following:
>>> On 4/1/2023 11:19 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>> Mike Pompeii <ShitfaceWarmonger@gmail.com> on Fri, 31 Mar 2023
>>>> 06:46:08 -0400 typed in alt.survival the following:
>>>>> On 3/31/2023 5:55 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>> By the end of the century only China and the EU can seriously rival us.
>>>>> We have fucked the EU big time. Without the cheap energy from Russia,
>>>>> the Europeans will be under our thumb, totally dependent on us for oil
>>>>> and gas. Consider them goners. Stupid Europeans. LOL
>>>> LOL. Now just who is going to be producing that oil that "we" are
>>>> going to be supplying?
>>> The Europeans will get oil from the US and other oil produces except
>>> Russia. The oil prices in Europe will go up dramatically because of
>>> higher transportation cost (instead of a pipeline from Russia). The oil
>>> prices in the US will also go up because of higher demand for export to
>>> Europe.
>> And where is this oil coming from? Out of the massive savings
>> resulting from the conversion to windmills and solar panels for
>> electrical production?
> Oil is a global commodity. As Russia shifts to serve China, other oil producers,
> including the US will shift to serve Europe.
>
>> Update your boilerplate - the American government is opposed to
>> the production of oil in the US.
> More bullshit from the rabid right. For years, decades we've been one of the top three
> oil producers but our greed and addiction to the black gold means that even then we use
> more than we pump. Thirty years ago, oil imports were the largest components of our
> import trade, today, it's a tiny fraction due mostly to fracking.
>
>>>> Congratulations though, it is a rare thing to live when an Empire
>>>> comes to an end.
>>> We have already witnessed the ending of the once mighty British Empire.
>>> The Brits exhausted itself trying to keep Germany down in WWI, and then
>>> again in WWII. The British Empire lost most of its worldly colonial
>>> possessions, and has now become a US lapdog ("a special relationship",
>>> as Boris Johnson boasted). Pity.
>> You might want to update your boiler plate on this as well.
>>
>> The "empire" I was referring to is the American one. The "Pax
>> Americana" is over.
> Not really, although the petrodollar is beginning to fade.

The US has been printing money out of thin air worse the Argentina did.
The reason Argentina's currency collapsed but the US dollar hasn't is
because the US dollar had become the de facto world reserve currency
after tricking every country into using SWIFT, which was touted as a
scheme to curb money laundering. Instead, the US used SWIFT as a
mechanism to impose economic sanctions. Countries cannot use SWIFT to do
trade if the US has imposed sanctions on those countries. Now the world
is fed up with the lying and bullying Americans. You are too stupid and
ignorant to understand why the US could print money with impunity
without collapsing, but you will soon feel the effects of the world
moving away from using US dollars in trade. The US will not be able to
impose sanctions when the world is not using SWIFT and US dollar in
trade, and the US will have live within its means instead of printing
money out of thin air.

> No matter, a main cause of
> war in the modern world is trade disputes. That's how the US ended up providing and
> regulating the chief international trade currency. The euro is taking up some of this
> trade but lately nations are making agreements to trade with each other in their own
> currencies.
>
> Ultimately this leads to disputes that escalate into wars. But that's ok. If the world
> decides to ditch Pax Americana, I hope they enjoy SinoPax.
>
> Swill
>
>
> --
> We need to look past ourselves, our parties and our disagreements
> and put our democracy first. - Arnold Schwarzenegger
>
> Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!
>
> Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine! Putin is a condom!

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 by: 😎 Mighty Wannabe - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 21:28 UTC

On 4/5/2023 4:43 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 08:09:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>> Won't be the first Russian Empire to collapse.
>> That wasn't the empire I had in mind.
> Should have been. There's little of it left and there'll be less tomorrow.
>
> Swill
>

You are too stupid and too ignorant to know what you are talking about.

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 by: John Doe - Wed, 5 Apr 2023 21:58 UTC

In reply to "Governor Swill" who wrote the following:

> On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 08:09:50 -0700, pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> on Sat, 1 Apr 2023 11:51:21 -0400
> > typed in alt.survival the following:
> > > On 4/1/2023 11:19 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> > > > Mike Pompeii <ShitfaceWarmonger@gmail.com> on Fri, 31 Mar 2023
> > > > 06:46:08 -0400 typed in alt.survival the following:
> > > > > On 3/31/2023 5:55 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> > > > > > By the end of the century only China and the EU can seriously rival
> > > > > > us.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have fucked the EU big time. Without the cheap energy from Russia,
> > > > > the Europeans will be under our thumb, totally dependent on us for oil
> > > > > and gas. Consider them goners. Stupid Europeans. LOL
> > > > LOL. Now just who is going to be producing that oil that "we" are
> > > > going to be supplying?
> > >
> > > The Europeans will get oil from the US and other oil produces except
> > > Russia. The oil prices in Europe will go up dramatically because of
> > > higher transportation cost (instead of a pipeline from Russia). The oil
> > > prices in the US will also go up because of higher demand for export to
> > > Europe.
> >
> > And where is this oil coming from? Out of the massive savings
> > resulting from the conversion to windmills and solar panels for
> > electrical production?
>
> Oil is a global commodity. As Russia shifts to serve China, other oil
> producers,
> including the US will shift to serve Europe.
>
> > Update your boilerplate - the American government is opposed to
> > the production of oil in the US.
>
> More bullshit from the rabid right. For years, decades we've been one of the
> top three
> oil producers but our greed and addiction to the black gold means that even
> then we use
> more than we pump. Thirty years ago, oil imports were the largest components
> of our
> import trade, today, it's a tiny fraction due mostly to fracking.
>
> > > > Congratulations though, it is a rare thing to live when an Empire
> > > > comes to an end.
> > > We have already witnessed the ending of the once mighty British Empire.
> > > The Brits exhausted itself trying to keep Germany down in WWI, and then
> > > again in WWII. The British Empire lost most of its worldly colonial
> > > possessions, and has now become a US lapdog ("a special relationship",
> > > as Boris Johnson boasted). Pity.
> >
> > You might want to update your boiler plate on this as well.
> >
> > The "empire" I was referring to is the American one. The "Pax
> > Americana" is over.
>
> Not really, although the petrodollar is beginning to fade. No matter, a main
> cause of
> war in the modern world is trade disputes. That's how the US ended up
> providing and
> regulating the chief international trade currency. The euro is taking up some
> of this
> trade but lately nations are making agreements to trade with each other in
> their own
> currencies.
>
> Ultimately this leads to disputes that escalate into wars. But that's ok. If
> the world
> decides to ditch Pax Americana, I hope they enjoy SinoPax.
>
> Swill
>
>
> --
> We need to look past ourselves, our parties and our disagreements
> and put our democracy first. - Arnold Schwarzenegger
>
> Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!
>
> Sl� Ukraj�! Glory to Ukraine! Putin is a condom!

Well put and truthful. It might take decades to get past the worst effects of outfits like Fox lying to people and trying to divide America for
profit. Or maybe the dominion suit will accelerate that curve. Hard to tell.

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 by: Kẻ giả mạo là - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 05:03 UTC

On 4/5/2023 11:35 AM, mentally ill forging piece of shit neverwillbe wrote:

> I am a shameless mouth breathing
> inbred.

Truth

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 by: Kẻ giả mạo là - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 05:05 UTC

On 4/5/2023 2:28 PM, 😎 Useless Neverwillbe ✅ wrote:

> I am too stupid and too ignorant to know what I am talking about.

Truth.

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On 4/5/2023 12:55 PM, dimwitted forger neverwillbe wrote:

> I am that shameless mouthfucker and I am one stupid motherfucker. I bet I will
> be beaten to death soon.

Yes, that really would be a good thing.

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 by: Kẻ giả mạo là - Thu, 6 Apr 2023 05:13 UTC

On 4/5/2023 1:23 PM, usless forger snot wrote:

> I am that shameless and am apparently gay. I have been
> begging to have my head caved in with a heavy sledgehammer.

Good idea.


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