Ed P wrote:
....
> I do that after I iron my socks. I do all the left socks, then all the
> right socks.

some people even tie them together when wearing them.

songbird

On 2024-01-23 12:59 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-01-23, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

>> I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed
>> eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person.
>> Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
>> pattern each time I change them.
>
> It prolongs their life only in the sense that, say, four sets of sheets
> will last four times longer than one set of sheets. I buy sheets four
> times as often, but the same number of sheets.
>
> I don't care about the pattern. My eyes are closed while I'm using
> them. My sheets are plain white.
>

I buy different colour sheet sets but not patterns. They get washed
weekly... on Tuesdays. I figure that the biggest factor in the life of
bed linens is laundering, especially drying. Alternating two sets of
sheets is going to double their life, but that would be their age, not
the number of times they are slept on.
Bedding is one item that is generally worth spending more money on for
longer life. In the past I thought I got some great deals on sheets the
fitted sheet started to tear open in less than a year, and by that time
they had already stated pilling. ... I think that is the word for them
when they get hard little balls of lint that make them very
uncomfortable. We are currently working on two sets of more expensive
and higher quality sheets that we have had for about 4 years and both
still look and feel great.

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:35:28 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

>bruce bowser wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

>>> True, neither method has me jumping for joy. That being said, when I take
>>> dried sheets off the clothesline I can practically fold them to be put away
>>> with minimal effort while in the yard.
>>
>> Yet, clothes dried out on the line take on outdoorsy smells, sometimes.
>
> and bird droppings, bugs, etc...

Almost never. And the only smell we could get is if people are burning
wood or garden waste.

>>> I do highly appreciate my dryer, but
>>> coming out of it they are certainly a jumbled mess that requires a little effort,
>>> just a little, to have laying flat and smooth to fold up neatly and put away.
>>>
>>> I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed
>>> eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person.
>>> Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
>>> pattern each time I change them.
>>
>> Though they shrink, clothes dried in the drier never have the smells. Unless they are clothes from some people in here where the fentanyl can never ever be washed out (even if boiled for a whole day with detergent and Shout in one of those big US government military cooking pots like Sheldon and Carol always talk about).
>
> we're pretty sensitive to various stinks used in laundry
>detergents and fabric softeners. we have found detergent we
>can tolerate but we don't ever use fabric softeners.
>
> Shout makes me rather sick. i have to close my door to my
>room when Mom gets it out.

You remind me of the boy in the bubble in Northern Exposure.

On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>
> we're pretty sensitive to various stinks used in laundry
> detergents and fabric softeners. we have found detergent we
> can tolerate but we don't ever use fabric softeners.

Arm & Hammer "Sensitive Skin" laundry detergent. Unscented.
My husband likes his clothes softened. Downy "free & gentle".
Unscented.

> Shout makes me rather sick. i have to close my door to my
> room when Mom gets it out.

Shout stinks. I prefer Carbona Stain Devils.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 1:37:46 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
>
> bruce bowser wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>
> >> True, neither method has me jumping for joy. That being said, when I take
> >> dried sheets off the clothesline I can practically fold them to be put away
> >> with minimal effort while in the yard.
> >
> > Yet, clothes dried out on the line take on outdoorsy smells, sometimes.
> and bird droppings, bugs, etc...
> >>
When my clothesline was partially under a tree I'd have an occasional bird
droppings, just occasionally. But now the line is out in the yard with no nearby
trees and no droppings and no bugs either.
> >>
> we're pretty sensitive to various stinks used in laundry
> detergents and fabric softeners. we have found detergent we
> can tolerate but we don't ever use fabric softeners.
>
Tide or All perfume and dye-free here, but I do use the Downy
fabric softener sheets. However, those are cut in half for most
loads and for panties that sheet is cut into a quarter; it just doesn't
take much for them to be static-free.
>
> Shout makes me rather sick. i have to close my door to my
> room when Mom gets it out.
>
> songbird
>
I use it for an occasional grease spot, but certainly not every single
load of laundry I do.

On 2024-01-22, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

> Rain is predicted for T, W, T, and possibly Friday as well and temperatures
> hitting about 62° on Thursday. If I remember correctly, low 50's for
> Tuesday.

I just saw on TV where your side streets are an icy, dangerous mess.

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 4:19:54 PM UTC-6, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
> On 2024-01-22, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > Rain is predicted for T, W, T, and possibly Friday as well and temperatures
> > hitting about 62° on Thursday. If I remember correctly, low 50's for
> > Tuesday.
> >
> I just saw on TV where your side streets are an icy, dangerous mess.
>
I'm definitely on a side street and never once have I ever seen a salt truck
or snow plow on it. But yesterday's temperatures coupled with today's
and a light shower have done a LOT to clear the side streets.

On 2024-01-23, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

> They sometime come out twisted. I have a simple solution though. My
> cleaning lady folds them. She put together the fitted sheet, top sheet,
> pillow cases, then puts the bundle in the linen closet.

My wife has a few talents, unknown to me when I married her. She was a
candy-striper in high school and is amazing at folding bedding. When she
folds a fitted sheet, it looks nearly the same as the flat one.
She's also a crackerjack on a sewing machine for a different reason and
has a little art in her soul.
All these qualities were unknown to me when I said, "I do".

On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 10:08:13 -0800 (PST),
itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

> Today is the first day we've been above freezing in a week!! We've
> reached the welcoming temperature of 44°F/6°C!!!! Although mine
> and everybody else's yards are still covered in lots of snow, the
> street is now quite drivable. Very sunny, too.

You ever seen so many limp dicks in one pot outside of RFC?

https://i.postimg.cc/85SJZT27/Limp-Dick-Cactus.jpg

Not to worry, though. At the end of August they'll have a job and
a couple shots of Alprostadil! Yum!

-jh

bruce bowser wrote:
....
> "If your dryer has a moisture sensor, use it instead of the timed dry feature. The dryer will shut off when it senses laundry is dry. Not only will this save energy, but it will also save wear and tear on your clothes caused by over-drying."
>
> Eastern Ilini Electric Cooperative
> -- https://eiec.org/latest-spin-washer-and-dryer-energy-efficiency

that would probably cost us an extra hundred a month.

songbird

Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:35:28 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
> wrote:
>
>>bruce bowser wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>>>> True, neither method has me jumping for joy. That being said, when I take
>>>> dried sheets off the clothesline I can practically fold them to be put away
>>>> with minimal effort while in the yard.
>>>
>>> Yet, clothes dried out on the line take on outdoorsy smells, sometimes.
>>
>> and bird droppings, bugs, etc...
>
> Almost never. And the only smell we could get is if people are burning
> wood or garden waste.

we normally have 10-30 different varieties of birds
here in the spring through the fall. if you have any
sort of thing they can perch on they will.
doodoohappens...

it isn't uncommon for me to go outside and find parts
of creatures laying around from the more voracious
feeders. the Blue Herons most likely are the worst
culprits (i usually can't even identify what it is), but
we also have hawks that will come in and go after the
Mourning Doves or any other bird that doesn't find
shelter fast enough. we also have the geese and ducks
that can fly over and drop "stuff" (obligoatory usage
of quoties there).

nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
on the same scale of degeneracy...

>>>> I do highly appreciate my dryer, but
>>>> coming out of it they are certainly a jumbled mess that requires a little effort,
>>>> just a little, to have laying flat and smooth to fold up neatly and put away.
>>>>
>>>> I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed
>>>> eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person.
>>>> Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
>>>> pattern each time I change them.
>>>
>>> Though they shrink, clothes dried in the drier never have the smells. Unless they are clothes from some people in here where the fentanyl can never ever be washed out (even if boiled for a whole day with detergent and Shout in one of those big US government military cooking pots like Sheldon and Carol always talk about).
>>
>> we're pretty sensitive to various stinks used in laundry
>>detergents and fabric softeners. we have found detergent we
>>can tolerate but we don't ever use fabric softeners.
>>
>> Shout makes me rather sick. i have to close my door to my
>>room when Mom gets it out.
>
> You remind me of the boy in the bubble in Northern Exposure.

there's also a bubbly boy in Seinfeld. funny episode.

songbird (it was the Moops!

Dave Smith wrote:
....
> Bedding is one item that is generally worth spending more money on for
> longer life. In the past I thought I got some great deals on sheets the
> fitted sheet started to tear open in less than a year, and by that time
> they had already stated pilling. ... I think that is the word for them
> when they get hard little balls of lint that make them very
> uncomfortable.

hahaha! i wouldn't even notice those. i sleep rough.
i'm used to textures and bumps. about the only thing that
will bother me is a spider walking across my skin or hair
(if i can feel it - otherwise it doesn't count :) - p.s. i
happen to like spiders...)

> We are currently working on two sets of more expensive
> and higher quality sheets that we have had for about 4 years and both
> still look and feel great.

i don't want my stuff to slide. i have a nice big futon
here and it is often got piles of things on it i'm working
on (some people have a desk and sit, i have a futon and
sprawl :) ). i may sleep for weeks with a project sitting
right next to me. also there's no headboard or footboard
so i don't want my pillows going off the end or i don't
want my feet hitting on something (they hang over and act
as radiators most of the time). i sometimes might move in
my sleep but almost never do i knock anything off and i
may even end up with my feet off the side of the bed but
it seems i don't move my head in the direction where i
pile things so i must have trained myself over the years
to not move there there......

don't tell me i'm strange, i already know it. :)

songbird

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 17:35:53 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:35:28 -0500, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> and bird droppings, bugs, etc...
>>
>> Almost never. And the only smell we could get is if people are burning
>> wood or garden waste.
>
> we normally have 10-30 different varieties of birds
>here in the spring through the fall. if you have any
>sort of thing they can perch on they will.
>doodoohappens...

We have lots of birds but they have nicer spots to perch on,
apparently.

> it isn't uncommon for me to go outside and find parts
>of creatures laying around from the more voracious
>feeders. the Blue Herons most likely are the worst
>culprits (i usually can't even identify what it is), but
>we also have hawks that will come in and go after the
>Mourning Doves or any other bird that doesn't find
>shelter fast enough. we also have the geese and ducks
>that can fly over and drop "stuff" (obligoatory usage
>of quoties there).
>
> nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
>on the same scale of degeneracy...

And animals don't have a choice. Fact remains that we don't get bird
droppings on our laundry, in spite of having all kinds of birds here.
We do have an aggressive Muscovy duck that poops all over the place,
but only at ground level.

On 2024-01-23 5:19 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-01-22, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> Rain is predicted for T, W, T, and possibly Friday as well and temperatures
>> hitting about 62° on Thursday. If I remember correctly, low 50's for
>> Tuesday.
>
>
> I just saw on TV where your side streets are an icy, dangerous mess.

Weather was weird here today. Last week we had single digit temperatures
but today it was up around freezing. We had snow and that turned to rain
today. Now they are talking about freezing rain overnight.

On 23 Jan 2024 22:38:20 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-01-23, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> They sometime come out twisted. I have a simple solution though. My
>> cleaning lady folds them. She put together the fitted sheet, top sheet,
>> pillow cases, then puts the bundle in the linen closet.
>
>
>My wife has a few talents, unknown to me when I married her. She was a
>candy-striper in high school

I misread that and saw an extra p.

On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>
> we normally have 10-30 different varieties of birds
> here in the spring through the fall. if you have any
> sort of thing they can perch on they will.
> doodoohappens...
>
> it isn't uncommon for me to go outside and find parts
> of creatures laying around from the more voracious
> feeders.

In our yard, it's mostly what the hawks leave, which is a flurry
of feathers and not much else.

For a while we had a cat (I assume) that was killing rabbits and
leaving the remains without eating them. Nasty animals. Every
time I see a cat in the yard I go out and hiss at it to make it
shove off. Works on skunks, too.

> the Blue Herons most likely are the worst
> culprits (i usually can't even identify what it is), but
> we also have hawks that will come in and go after the
> Mourning Doves or any other bird that doesn't find
> shelter fast enough.

That's why we have a feeder on the ground; in the hopes of
attracting hawks to the mourning doves. The presence of
rabbits is a pleasant side effect.

> we also have the geese and ducks
> that can fly over and drop "stuff" (obligoatory usage
> of quoties there).

Blue jays are the worst. Their droppings are wildly out of
proportion to their size. I know it's not the ducks perching
on the birdbath and fouling the water.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

> nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
> on the same scale of degeneracy...

<https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>

For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
your hair will catch on fire.
I just love this intro!

On 2024-01-24 4:11 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>
>> nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
>> on the same scale of degeneracy...
>
>
> <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>
>
> For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
> your hair will catch on fire.
> I just love this intro!
>
You actually watch Fox News?

On 2024-01-24, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

> For a while we had a cat (I assume) that was killing rabbits and
> leaving the remains without eating them. Nasty animals. Every
> time I see a cat in the yard I go out and hiss at it to make it
> shove off. Works on skunks, too.

But you have a gallon of tomato juice...just in case. Better yet,
hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and soap. I just googled. ;)

On 24 Jan 2024 23:11:07 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>
>> nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
>> on the same scale of degeneracy...
>
>
><https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>
>
>For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
>your hair will catch on fire.
>I just love this intro!

Is Greg Gutfeld the German shock jock you once spoke of so fondly?

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 16:15:04 -0700, Graham <g.stereo@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-01-24 4:11 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>>
>>> nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
>>> on the same scale of degeneracy...
>>
>>
>> <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>
>>
>> For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
>> your hair will catch on fire.
>> I just love this intro!
>>
>You actually watch Fox News?

Other stations deal with facts a lot and Leo's fact intolerant.

On 1/24/2024 6:11 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>
>> nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
>> on the same scale of degeneracy...
>
>
> <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>
>
> For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
> your hair will catch on fire.
> I just love this intro!
>

I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 1:11:15 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-01-23, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
> > nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
> > on the same scale of degeneracy...
> <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>
>
> For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
> your hair will catch on fire.
> I just love this intro!

Mr. G seemed disappointed by the lackluster videos his panel brought. Me too.
Us liberals demand to be entertained and stimulated! Even Uncle Un knows that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAcYS-_8L2s&list=RDfAcYS-_8L2s

On 2024-01-24 5:34 p.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 1/24/2024 6:11 PM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> On 2024-01-23, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
>>
>>>    nature is just as brutal as people Bruce, just not
>>> on the same scale of degeneracy...
>>
>>
>> <https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330333250112>
>>
>> For my liberal friends, just watch the first 25 seconds. After that,
>> your hair will catch on fire.
>> I just love this intro!
>>
>
> I watched 2 1/2 minutes and did not see any purpose in it.

That's because you have a measurable IQ.

On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 1:52:17 PM UTC-6, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 12:59:18 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2024-01-23, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 7:41:49 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> On 2024-01-23, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
> > >> > In article <WULrN.223206$Ama9....@fx12.iad>,
> > >> > hami...@invalid.com says...
> > >> >
> > >> >> what a thrill to fold sheets when dried in the dryer, not.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Since I am ignorant of drying things on clotheslines and relatively
> > >> >> inexperienced at folding sheets, I have to ask: what makes folding
> > >> >> dryer-dried sheets a "thrill"?
> > >> >
> > >> > Tut, Cindy, not like you to miss the vital "not".
> > >> >
> > >> I recognize it's not a thrill. I can't see any difference in
> > >> line-dried and dryer-dried sheets in their lack of thrill while
> > >> folding.

Line dried sheets are easy to fold over while on the line. Dryer dried must be held with stretched hands until done.
I fear bug infestation outside more than birds. In hot weather I'll put wet towels outside. Most partially dried ( with softner sheet) stuff like towels, pants and shirts are hung on the shower curtain bar. Some with wire hangers. A big item may get draped over the indoor stationary bike.

> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >>
> > > True, neither method has me jumping for joy. That being said, when I take
> > > dried sheets off the clothesline I can practically fold them to be put away
> > > with minimal effort while in the yard. I do highly appreciate my dryer, but
> > > coming out of it they are certainly a jumbled mess that requires a little effort,
> > > just a little, to have laying flat and smooth to fold up neatly and put away.
> > >
> > > I know many people put those freshly washed sheets right back on the bed
> > > eliminating that folding dance, but I'm a "rotate the stock" kind of person.
> > > Using a different set each week prolongs their life plus I get to look at a different
> > > pattern each time I change them.

I have 3 sheets I rotate. Plus 2 partial ripped ones I have on now, brown one over white one. The rips are offset. Toe nails eventually wear through the cotton.
Its like a staff of starting pitchers for baseball versus the NFL starting quarterback. With one sheet you have to wash it now, I can wait until I get a full load to go.

> >
> > It prolongs their life
> "If your dryer has a moisture sensor, use it instead of the timed dry feature. The dryer will shut off when it senses laundry is dry. Not only will this save energy, but it will also save wear and tear on your clothes caused by over-drying."

The sensor does not account for thick bands of material that take longer to dry. I check periodically and remove dry stuff and examine thick stuff for moisture.

>
> Eastern Ilini Electric Cooperative
> -- https://eiec.org/latest-spin-washer-and-dryer-energy-efficiency
> > only in the sense that, say, four sets of sheets
> > will last four times longer than one set of sheets. I buy sheets four

One sheet leaves little wiggle room for laundry schedule. If I want to wait a week to wash the removed sheet I can, and did so today. I got 4 shirts hanging on my curtain rod now. The have fewer wrinkles when hung up partially dry. And a pair of jeans on the bike handles.