On 1/27/2024 11:06 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 1/27/2024 9:26 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 1/23/2024 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Towels get stiff in warm weather too. I confess to liking the feel of
>>> stiff towels.
>>
>> That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric.  Using an
>> automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
>> detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
>> the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes
>> dryer.   Cut back on the detergent a bit, also.  I read this in a
>> "Hints From Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.
>
> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener.  You can add
> vinegar there.  I've been meaning to try it.  Next load will get it.

My old washing machine has a dispenser for fabric softener but I've
never used it. I don't use those fabric dryer sheet things, either. I
also don't add a ton of detergent or overload the washing machine.
Select the correct water level for the size of the load. Everything
gets a nice clean rinse. There are some cotton and linen blouses I hang
to dry on clothes hangers on the curtain rod in the bathroom. Vinegar
has a lot of uses but adding it to the rinse cycle of my washing machine
won't be one of them.

Jill

itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
>>
>> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
>> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
>>
> Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.

not drying too long takes care of that - damp dry
and hang things.

songbird

Michael Trew wrote:
....
> That's the fault of too much detergent left on the fabric. Using an
> automatic clothes dryer can mask the stiffness of the leftover
> detergent, but a splash of white vinegar in the rinse water makes all
> the difference, whether line dried or into the automatic clothes dryer.
> Cut back on the detergent a bit, also. I read this in a "Hints From
> Heloise" column years ago, and it hasn't failed me since.

a lot of people use way too much detergent and
won't change their habits.

songbird

jmcquown wrote:
....
> to dry on clothes hangers on the curtain rod in the bathroom. Vinegar
> has a lot of uses but adding it to the rinse cycle of my washing machine
> won't be one of them.

if you have decent water quality it may not matter
but for us it helps get rid of calcium and rust buildup
on clothes/towels.

when i lived in eastern TN, the water was so good i
didn't even have to clean the shower and the clothes
always came out nice. up here, nope, rust and calcium
in the water.

songbird

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> >>
> >> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
> >> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
> >>
> > Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
> >
> Static cling! The horror!
>
> I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
> clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
> off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
annoyance I don't want to deal with.

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 9:47:49 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
>
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> >>
> >> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
> >> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
> >>
> > Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
> >
> not drying too long takes care of that - damp dry
> and hang things.
>
> songbird
>
Good grief no, just no. I don't want my house draped in damp things
drying all day or overnight. A house that looks like it's been closed
for the winter draped in cloth and clothes like you see in old horror
movies is not the look I want to achieve.

On 2024-01-28 11:17 a.m., songbird wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:

> if you have decent water quality it may not matter
> but for us it helps get rid of calcium and rust buildup
> on clothes/towels.
>
> when i lived in eastern TN, the water was so good i
> didn't even have to clean the shower and the clothes
> always came out nice. up here, nope, rust and calcium
> in the water.
>

The water in my well is quite hard. I got a new glass kettle last week
and there is already a layer of mineral deposit on the bottom of it.

On 2024-01-28 9:27 a.m., itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
>>>> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
>>>>
>>> Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
>>>
>> Static cling! The horror!
>>
>> I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
>> clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
>> off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
> be peeled off your body, especially when in public.

You take your clothes off in public? Please post photos:-)

On 2024-01-28, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
>> >> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
>> >>
>> > Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
>> >
>> Static cling! The horror!
>>
>> I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
>> clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
>> off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
> be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
> trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
> that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
> annoyance I don't want to deal with.

Ah, well. I don't wear blouses or "pants". Sweats and t-shirts for me.
Cotton is your friend.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 10:29:58 AM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 9:47:49 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
> >
> > itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > >
> > > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
> > >> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
> > >>
> > > Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
> > >
> > not drying too long takes care of that - damp dry
> > and hang things.
> >
> > songbird
> >
> Good grief no, just no. I don't want my house draped in damp things
> drying all day or overnight. A house that looks like it's been closed
> for the winter draped in cloth and clothes like you see in old horror
> movies is not the look I want to achieve.

The benefit of extra humidity from drying clothes is a plus. Who wants to babysit a dryer for hours? Hang em High and split.
By evening everything is dry with low wrinklage.

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:07:23 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
> On 2024-01-28 9:27 a.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
> >>>> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
> >>>>
> >>> Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
> >>>
> >> Static cling! The horror!
> >>
> >> I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
> >> clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
> >> off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> > Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
> > be peeled off your body, especially when in public.
> You take your clothes off in public? Please post photos:-)

My dear Graham - it is SUNDAY, Our Lord's Day...!!!

Do kindly remember to be more respectful - Our Lord does not "cotton" to such louche japes...!!!

O:-)

--
GM

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:59:00 PM UTC-6, Laguna Material wrote:
>
> The benefit of extra humidity from drying clothes is a plus. Who wants to
> babysit a dryer for hours? Hang em High and split.
>
You babysit your dryer and for hours no less????

Depending on what I'm drying is how long it takes, but a timer is set to go off
about 10 minutes or so before being finished.
>
> By evening everything is dry with low wrinklage.
>
I have no wrinkling as I don't let items lay in the dryer after finishing. Start
removing one or two items and hang or fold as the dryer is still tumbling.

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
> > be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
> > trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
> > that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
> > annoyance I don't want to deal with.
> >
> Ah, well. I don't wear blouses or "pants". Sweats and t-shirts for me.
> Cotton is your friend.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for dishcloths/towels/dishtowels
and sheets.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:30:30 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:59:00 PM UTC-6, Laguna Material wrote:
>>
>> The benefit of extra humidity from drying clothes is a plus. Who wants to
>> babysit a dryer for hours? Hang em High and split.
>>
>You babysit your dryer and for hours no less????
>
>Depending on what I'm drying is how long it takes, but a timer is set to go off
>about 10 minutes or so before being finished.
>>
>> By evening everything is dry with low wrinklage.
>>
>I have no wrinkling as I don't let items lay in the dryer after finishing. Start
>removing one or two items and hang or fold as the dryer is still tumbling.

I used to always forget to take stuff out of the washing machine. A
week later I'd realise it and run the whole load again. This process
sometimes repeated itself.

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:37:12 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> I used to always forget to take stuff out of the washing machine. A
> week later I'd realise it and run the whole load again. This process
> sometimes repeated itself.
>
https://i.postimg.cc/0NGvVVX4/Thinking.gif

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:42:39 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
<itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:37:12 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> I used to always forget to take stuff out of the washing machine. A
>> week later I'd realise it and run the whole load again. This process
>> sometimes repeated itself.
>>
>https://i.postimg.cc/0NGvVVX4/Thinking.gif

lol

On 1/28/2024 1:58 PM, Laguna Material wrote:
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 10:29:58 AM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 9:47:49 AM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
>>>
>>> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
>>>>> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
>>>>>
>>>> Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
>>>>
>>> not drying too long takes care of that - damp dry
>>> and hang things.
>>>
>>> songbird
>>>
>> Good grief no, just no. I don't want my house draped in damp things
>> drying all day or overnight. A house that looks like it's been closed
>> for the winter draped in cloth and clothes like you see in old horror
>> movies is not the look I want to achieve.
>
> The benefit of extra humidity from drying clothes is a plus. Who wants to babysit a dryer for hours? Hang em High and split.
> By evening everything is dry with low wrinklage.

11 months of the years I pay to run the AC to keep humidity low. The
dryer vent pushes it outside for me.
Babysit a dryer? Push the button. Come back when you decide to get the
stuff out. Sometimes it is the next day or two.

On 2024-01-28, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
>> > be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
>> > trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
>> > that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
>> > annoyance I don't want to deal with.
>> >
>> Ah, well. I don't wear blouses or "pants". Sweats and t-shirts for me.
>> Cotton is your friend.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for dishcloths/towels/dishtowels
> and sheets.

Polyester? Silk? Wool?

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 1/28/2024 3:32 PM, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:11:25 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
>>> be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
>>> trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
>>> that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
>>> annoyance I don't want to deal with.
>>>
>> Ah, well. I don't wear blouses or "pants". Sweats and t-shirts for me.
>> Cotton is your friend.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for dishcloths/towels/dishtowels
> and sheets.

Different strokes. Cotton is one of the the most comfortable,
breathable fabrics for clothes. No static cling, either.

Jill

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 6:27:10 AM UTC-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
> > >> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
> > >>
> > > Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
> > >
> > Static cling! The horror!
> >
> > I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
> > clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
> > off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
> be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
> trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
> that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
> annoyance I don't want to deal with.

It has come to my attention that the Canadians call a shirt a "blouse." This is yet to be confirmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWohhABEzJQ&list=PLUR15FjnjrQL0bYUfTMSKeSLj4O0KFeHO

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:25:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 6:27:10 AM UTC-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
>> > >> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
>> > >>
>> > > Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
>> > >
>> > Static cling! The horror!
>> >
>> > I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
>> > clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
>> > off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
>> be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
>> trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
>> that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
>> annoyance I don't want to deal with.
>
>It has come to my attention that the Canadians call a shirt a "blouse." This is yet to be confirmed.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWohhABEzJQ&list=PLUR15FjnjrQL0bYUfTMSKeSLj4O0KFeHO

The first time I called a shirt of mine a blouse, my wife started
laughing. In Australian English, only women wear blouses and they have
frills or decorations that a shirt doesn't have.

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:39:33 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:25:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 6:27:10 AM UTC-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
> >> > >> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it..
> >> > >>
> >> > > Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
> >> > >
> >> > Static cling! The horror!
> >> >
> >> > I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
> >> > clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
> >> > off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy Hamilton
> >> >
> >> Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
> >> be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
> >> trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
> >> that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
> >> annoyance I don't want to deal with.
> >
> >It has come to my attention that the Canadians call a shirt a "blouse." This is yet to be confirmed.
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWohhABEzJQ&list=PLUR15FjnjrQL0bYUfTMSKeSLj4O0KFeHO
> The first time I called a shirt of mine a blouse, my wife started
> laughing. In Australian English, only women wear blouses and they have
> frills or decorations that a shirt doesn't have.

If your wife was American, she'd think it was pretty funny too.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:49:51 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi123@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:39:33 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:25:24 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 6:27:10 AM UTC-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 4:29:18 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-6, Ed P wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Most machines today have a dispenser for fabric softener. You can add
>> >> > >> vinegar there. I've been meaning to try it. Next load will get it.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > > Vinegar is great for softening but does nothing for static cling.
>> >> > >
>> >> > Static cling! The horror!
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't use fabric softener. Yesterday when I folded a load of
>> >> > clothes, some socks were stuck to an acrylic sweater. I peeled
>> >> > off the socks and folded everything up. It's all good.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >> >
>> >> Static cling is most annoying when wearing clothes and they have to
>> >> be peeled off your body, especially when in public. I loathe pants aka
>> >> trousers that are clinging to my calves and twisted at that. Blouses
>> >> that look as if they've been spray painted onto my body is another
>> >> annoyance I don't want to deal with.
>> >
>> >It has come to my attention that the Canadians call a shirt a "blouse." This is yet to be confirmed.
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWohhABEzJQ&list=PLUR15FjnjrQL0bYUfTMSKeSLj4O0KFeHO
>> The first time I called a shirt of mine a blouse, my wife started
>> laughing. In Australian English, only women wear blouses and they have
>> frills or decorations that a shirt doesn't have.
>
>If your wife was American, she'd think it was pretty funny too.
>
Yes. In Dutch, a 'bloes' can be for men or for women.

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 2:53:43 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-01-28, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > Cotton is my least favorite fabric except for dishcloths/towels/dishtowels
> > and sheets.
> >
> Polyester? Silk? Wool?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I like T shirts with a bit of polyester in the blend of the material. It prevents
shrinkage plus shirts don't look wrinkly when coming out of the dryer. Silk is
ok, I do like wool, and sometimes rayon. Linen is very nice, but it's terrible about
wrinkling but is comfortable to wear.

On 2024-01-28 20:37:03 +0000, Bruce said:

> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:30:30 -0800 (PST), "itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net"
> <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:59:00 PM UTC-6, Laguna Material wrote:
>>>
>>> The benefit of extra humidity from drying clothes is a plus. Who wants to
>>> babysit a dryer for hours? Hang em High and split.
>>>
>> You babysit your dryer and for hours no less????
>>
>> Depending on what I'm drying is how long it takes, but a timer is set to go off
>> about 10 minutes or so before being finished.
>>>
>>> By evening everything is dry with low wrinklage.
>>>
>> I have no wrinkling as I don't let items lay in the dryer after
>> finishing. Start
>> removing one or two items and hang or fold as the dryer is still tumbling.
>
> I used to always forget to take stuff out of the washing machine. A
> week later I'd realise it and run the whole load again. This process
> sometimes repeated itself.

Environmentally very wasteful sir. I did my part on reducing methane
gas yesterday. Had a nice big T-bone steak.