On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 19 Feb 2024 21:13:40 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
>>> from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.
>>
>>
>>Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
>>Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves
>>climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
>>my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
>>out well either.
>>So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
>>continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
>>that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
>>"scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.
>
> Back to Fox News with you, Leo.

Yeah, I thought about telling him the difference between climate
and weather, but concluded it was pointless.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-02-19, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I thought about telling him the difference between climate
> and weather, but concluded it was pointless.

It's all a matter of time and prognostication. Have you visited Zoltar
lately? Your money would be better spent.

On 2024-02-19 4:13 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
>> from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.
>
>
> Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
> Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves
> climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
> my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
> out well either.
> So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
> continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
> that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
> "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live on
a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years ago
there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have been
receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there have
been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:48:31 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 19 Feb 2024 21:13:40 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
>><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
>>>Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves
>>>climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
>>>my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
>>>out well either.
>>>So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
>>>continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
>>>that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
>>>"scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.
>>
>> Back to Fox News with you, Leo.
>
>Yeah, I thought about telling him the difference between climate
>and weather, but concluded it was pointless.

His mind is made up. I guess this is what happens after watching only
Fox News for who knows how many years and getting the same nonsense
repeated and confirmed all that time.

On 19 Feb 2024 22:16:16 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-02-19, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I thought about telling him the difference between climate
>> and weather, but concluded it was pointless.
>
>
>It's all a matter of time and prognostication. Have you visited Zoltar
>lately? Your money would be better spent.

I was expecting a post like the following from you:

"Zeitgeist. Think about it. Think harder."

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 17:29:09 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-02-19 4:13 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
>> Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
>> Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves
>> climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
>> my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
>> out well either.
>> So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
>> continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
>> that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
>> "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.
>
> I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
>ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live on
>a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
>nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
>emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years ago
>there were glaciers practically in my back yard

Lol, how to make everything and I mean EVERYTHING about Dave Smith.

On 2/19/2024 5:29 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-02-19 4:13 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
>>> from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.
>>
>>
>> Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
>> Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves
>> climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
>> my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
>> out well either.
>> So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
>> continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
>> that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
>> "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.
>
>  I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
> ice caps are  receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live on
> a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
> nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
> emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years ago
> there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have been
> receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there have
> been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.

We burn about 100 million tons of fuel every day for about 100 years.
Think that may do something?

Ed P wrote:
....
> We burn about 100 million tons of fuel every day for about 100 years.
> Think that may do something?

of course they don't care, they'll be dead before it ruins
their afternoon meals.

their children and children's children will think them rather
ignorant and destructive.

songbird

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in Australia,
>> from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.
>
>
> Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
> Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling themselves
> climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global cooling. I lost
> my first career to that. Then, it was global warming. That didn't work
> out well either.
> So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
> continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
> that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
> "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.

True! Where I'm sitting there was 3 km of ice, all created without the
help of any human beings. Then people were farming grapes, and vikings had
farms on greenland, again without any help from people. Now the world has
gone mad and thinks we'll die tomorrow.

Also CO2 has been 10x what it is now, and the planet was basically covered
in plants.

But I think one of the following will happen:

1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only
focusing on industry.

2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just
"fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them
without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the
world will move on.

Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
hope for a combination of 2 and 3.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2024-02-19 4:13 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> >On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Those temperatures are terrible. I don't think anybody in
> > > Australia, from farmers to greens, still denies climate change.
> >
> >
> > Nor did any of our ancient ancestors. They called it "the weather".
> > Starting in the mid-Seventies, meteorologists started calling
> > themselves climatologists and needed a cause. First, it was global
> > cooling. I lost my first career to that. Then, it was global
> > warming. That didn't work out well either.
> > So, now it's climate change. No Sh*t! The climate has experienced
> > continuous change since the planet formed. They can't go wrong with
> > that. Send them money! Promote the cause! After all, they're
> > "scientists", and junk science is a political win-win.
>
> I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
> ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live
> on a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
> nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
> emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years
> ago there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have
> been receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there
> have been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.

I suspect we are in a mini-warming period. When my Grandfather was
still of an age, he did skating on the Hudson. Besides the pollution
now, it's just not warm enough to freeze over for that anymore.

bruce bowser wrote:

> On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> > Golden One wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday 16 February 2024 at 14:37:56 UTC+8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 21:40:49 -0800 (PST), Golden One
> > > > <jpb...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > > If you're referring to the The Voice referendum, for which I
> > > > voted Yes, I don't think all No voters are racists. It was
> > > > presented and explained poorly and most people didn't really
> > > > know what a Yes would mean.
> > >
> > > I voted yes, too. I guess it depends where you live as to how
> > > much racism you see. I live in the midwest of WA where racism is
> > > rampant. Some people have no compunction about saying the most
> > > vile things openly.
> > This true but some folks live with their head in the sand and
> > that's true everywhere.
> > > Meanwhile, I don't know if I am going to make it through summer
> > > without melting. Hottest Feb on record. So far about 12 days over
> > > 40C, 8 of those 46+, topped out yesterday at 49.5, already 44 at
> > > 8.30 this morning. Yesterday I did some Foodbank deliveries about
> > > 2 hours inland where it hit 53C. You won't see that temperature
> > > recorded anywhere, they don't have an official recorder.
> > Ouch! I've never benn to austrailia in full summer nor inland.
> > Darwin normally for me as the US Navy ships types that pull in
> > there are Amphibious assault types.
>
> Whoa, Carol there you go, again. Wait a minute, now. Lets get this
> straight. Why do you keep talking about that stone age, Neanderthal
> crap? All that 60s military stuff is now obsolete. Nothing more to
> it. Nothing, more. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Everything now is robot,
> drone guided, unmanned. Everyone stays in a trailer somewhere in
> Florida. Look, Carol: its like ... I don't know: seeing chainsaws
> with one or two small attachments flying through the air. That's all
> the military is now. Those 'nam days are gone forever. I don't know
> how many times I had to tell my Paw that, too.
>
> > I did 7 years homeported in Sabebo Japan on
> > 2 amphibs, so saw Darwin a fair amount.
> > > Had a fabulous kitchen sink salad for dinner, topped with grilled
> > > squid and a Thai inspired dressing of my own invention.
> > >
> > > JB
> > Grin, welcome and if you want to keep posting, you'll neew to join
> > Eternal Sseptember and pickup a newsreader.
>
> Its a few other ones, and like for $10 or $12 bucks a year to get
> full usenet reading and posting. I even hear its less than that, now.
>
> > Thunderbird is most common but more complex to set up. Xananews
> > pretty much works out of the box but a heck of a lot easier to
> > setup. It's just as flexible and both are still currently
> > supported.
>
> I can't believe you wouldn't mention Giganews or, well yeah, Eternal
> September. Oh Hey Carol also, over on Reddit, they're talking about
> other Usenet providers at this website: --
>
https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/183piro/comprehensive_guide_to_current_usenet_block/?rdt=44542

Darwin is a city in Australia. North eastern tip.

I mentioned only free ones.

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 19:43:52 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
>> ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live
>> on a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
>> nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
>> emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years
>> ago there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have
>> been receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there
>> have been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.
>
>I suspect we are in a mini-warming period.

Not just mini. The planet's going to hell and right-wingers are making
it worse.

On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> His mind is made up. I guess this is what happens after watching only
> Fox News for who knows how many years and getting the same nonsense
> repeated and confirmed all that time.

Do you still believe in Trump/Russia collusion? It has been thoroughly
debunked. That's four years of your life believing a delusion.
Do you think that Hunter's laptop was a conspiracy? I'm told [and have
never checked!] that you can see his "junk" online. I see him with a
crack-pipe in his mouth, passed out on Fox News. They blur the "junk"
pics.
Do you see any if this, or are your "news sources" protecting your
delicate sensibilities from reality?
Now Biden/Ukraine collusion is a very different story. Let's start with
him boasting about how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired on live TV
while Vice-President. OOps!

On 2024-02-19, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I am not denying that things seem to be getting warmer and the polar
> ice caps are receding. I am just not sure what the cause is. We live on
> a planet that is full of molten material and apparently undergoing
> nuclear reactions, and at the same time it is subject to the endless
> emission of light (energy/heat) from the sun. Fifteen thousand years ago
> there were glaciers practically in my back yard and they have been
> receding every since. Over the last couple thousand years there have
> been mini ice ages. It is not as if this is something new to us.

We need something similar to the Siberian Traps, to show up, to show us
how insignificant we are...or perhaps a few nukes going off might do it.
Monitor Yellowstone and current events. Nothing else, climate related,
matters.

On 22 Feb 2024 00:23:16 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> His mind is made up. I guess this is what happens after watching only
>> Fox News for who knows how many years and getting the same nonsense
>> repeated and confirmed all that time.
>
>
>Do you still believe in Trump/Russia collusion? It has been thoroughly
>debunked. That's four years of your life believing a delusion.
>Do you think that Hunter's laptop was a conspiracy? I'm told [and have
>never checked!] that you can see his "junk" online. I see him with a
>crack-pipe in his mouth, passed out on Fox News. They blur the "junk"
>pics.
>Do you see any if this, or are your "news sources" protecting your
>delicate sensibilities from reality?
>Now Biden/Ukraine collusion is a very different story. Let's start with
>him boasting about how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired on live TV
>while Vice-President. OOps!

I don't give a rat's ass about Hunter Biden. Trump/Russia collusion, I
don't know. I find it a worry that Trump admires Putin. That would be
like Roosevelt admiring Hitler.

On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

> But I think one of the following will happen:

> 1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
> of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
> policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
> who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
> punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only
> focusing on industry.

> 2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
> sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just
> "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
> on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
> politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.

> 3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them
> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the
> world will move on.

> Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
> hope for a combination of 2 and 3.

The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
middle.

On 22 Feb 2024 00:40:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> But I think one of the following will happen:
>
>> 1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
>> of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
>> policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
>> who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
>> punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only
>> focusing on industry.
>
>> 2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
>> sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just
>> "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
>> on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
>> politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.
>
>> 3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them
>> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the
>> world will move on.
>
>> Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
>> hope for a combination of 2 and 3.
>
>
>The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
>middle.

In which country? In Europe it's mainly the right-wing that's in
power. France, Netherlands, UK, Italy, Hungary, all right-wing.

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-02-19, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> His mind is made up. I guess this is what happens after watching only
>> Fox News for who knows how many years and getting the same nonsense
>> repeated and confirmed all that time.
>
>
> Do you still believe in Trump/Russia collusion? It has been thoroughly
> debunked. That's four years of your life believing a delusion.
> Do you think that Hunter's laptop was a conspiracy? I'm told [and have
> never checked!] that you can see his "junk" online. I see him with a
> crack-pipe in his mouth, passed out on Fox News. They blur the "junk"
> pics.
> Do you see any if this, or are your "news sources" protecting your
> delicate sensibilities from reality?
> Now Biden/Ukraine collusion is a very different story. Let's start with
> him boasting about how he got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired on live TV
> while Vice-President. OOps!
>

Is it true that biden is the one busing illegal immigrants to cities?

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> On 2024-02-20, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
>> But I think one of the following will happen:
>
>> 1. Politicians go over board with the martyrdom and sacrifice, so quality
>> of life for the common man and the financial destruction due to climate
>> policys become so severe, that the public flips out and elects a dictator
>> who says "f*ck this" and goes too far in the other direction with
>> punishment of the climate priests and too few environmental laws and only
>> focusing on industry.
>
>> 2. Politicians realize that we cannot achieve our climate goals with
>> sacrifice, and they also realize they were wrong, and the issue will just
>> "fade out" and everyone continues as usual. Only a few fanatics will harp
>> on it but will be largely ignored. Climate change was a power grab by
>> politicians, but the sacrifices weretoo severe so they dropped it.
>
>> 3. Science will catch up with climate goals, and enable us to achieve them
>> without too many sacrifices. Then the hysterics will be ignored, and the
>> world will move on.
>
>> Given the authoritarian trend in europe I fear 1 in the near term but I
>> hope for a combination of 2 and 3.
>
>
> The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
> middle.
>

Come november, it will swing to the far far right, and we may have our
first dictator back in office.

On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2024 00:40:55 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
><leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>The pendulum swings. It's tending to far-left now. Nobody likes the
>>middle.

> In which country? In Europe it's mainly the right-wing that's in
> power. France, Netherlands, UK, Italy, Hungary, all right-wing.

In all Western countries. To the right of you does not constitute the
right. Perhaps Hungary, but I never considered Hungary as Western
European. Countries, not affiliated with the West, could give a crap
for our nonsense notions but give a thumbs up until they can take over.
Did you not know that?

On 22 Feb 2024 05:56:31 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In which country? In Europe it's mainly the right-wing that's in
>> power. France, Netherlands, UK, Italy, Hungary, all right-wing.
>
>In all Western countries. To the right of you does not constitute the
>right. Perhaps Hungary, but I never considered Hungary as Western
>European. Countries, not affiliated with the West, could give a crap
>for our nonsense notions but give a thumbs up until they can take over.
>Did you not know that?
>
The Dutch PM since 2010 (14 years!) is a member of the most right-wing
mainstream party in the country. The UK has Sunak and before him Boris
Johnson, Theresa May and David Cameron, all Conservative Party. Italy
has Meloni, who's so right-wing people were worrying, Macron's a bit
less clear. The US had Trump until a few years ago and might get him
back soon. (Poor Ukraine.) Right-wing is very much in fashion.

When I was in high school, right-wingers were considered bad or at
least very misguided people. We all supported parties to the left of
the Dutch Labor party, except for a few geeks.

On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> When I was in high school, right-wingers were considered bad or at
> least very misguided people. We all supported parties to the left of
> the Dutch Labor party, except for a few geeks.

When I was in high school, politics were not discussed. Our county was
the only Democrat county in Nevada. Our economy revolved around a ammunition
depot with union labor.
Politics weren't an issue in the halls or classes of our school. That
was a good thing. Logical thinking and politics conflict in kids minds.
Looking back, I'm glad that I grew up when and where I did.

On 22 Feb 2024 07:26:56 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> When I was in high school, right-wingers were considered bad or at
>> least very misguided people. We all supported parties to the left of
>> the Dutch Labor party, except for a few geeks.
>
>
>When I was in high school, politics were not discussed. Our county was
>the only Democrat county in Nevada. Our economy revolved around a ammunition
>depot with union labor.
>Politics weren't an issue in the halls or classes of our school. That
>was a good thing. Logical thinking and politics conflict in kids minds.
>Looking back, I'm glad that I grew up when and where I did.

Most of my peers supported the Pacifist Socialist Party, that wanted
the Netherlands to leave NATO. This was their election poster, on the
right:
<https://zeistermagazine.nl/sites/default/files/field/image/Arend%20foto.GIF>

I thought that was dumb (leaving NATO, not the poster), so I supported
a party that was one step less left-wing.

On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Most of my peers supported the Pacifist Socialist Party, that wanted
> the Netherlands to leave NATO. This was their election poster, on the
> right:
><https://zeistermagazine.nl/sites/default/files/field/image/Arend%20foto.GIF>

> I thought that was dumb (leaving NATO, not the poster), so I supported
> a party that was one step less left-wing.

Well crap, it's in Dutch. I *do* like the section on the right. Vote
PSP!, whatever that means. ;)

On 22 Feb 2024 07:53:09 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2024-02-22, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Most of my peers supported the Pacifist Socialist Party, that wanted
>> the Netherlands to leave NATO. This was their election poster, on the
>> right:
>><https://zeistermagazine.nl/sites/default/files/field/image/Arend%20foto.GIF>
>
>> I thought that was dumb (leaving NATO, not the poster), so I supported
>> a party that was one step less left-wing.
>
>
>Well crap, it's in Dutch. I *do* like the section on the right. Vote
>PSP!, whatever that means. ;)

It says:

"PSP
DISARMING"

PSP stands for Pacifist Socialist Party.