On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:45:42 +0000, S Viemeister
<firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>On 16/03/2024 13:01, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>
>> If you want to point to Stan Rogers it should be this one, or Barretts
>> Privateers. He wasn't known for pipes.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRpYtAhGAo
>>
>He died far too young. That one, and Barrett's Privateers are favourites
>of mine.
>Friends of mine from my days on the folk scene in Edinburgh, recorded
>some of his songs - they do an excellent version of Privateers.
>
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=R-Yn9_JV4do>
>
>(One of Ian's cousins is married to a cousin of mine.)

Yes, he did die far too young, Harry Chapin likewise :( That is a
nice job of Barratts, the other Stan Rogers I love is Cape St. Mary's,
though I confess there aren't any of his I dislike :)

On 3/16/2024 9:36 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-03-16 8:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/15/2024 7:48 PM, Ed P wrote:
>
>>> I've done it.  Yes, it was good but cheaper/easier to buy it.  I did
>>> it just to say I did it, like I just did.  Twenty years later I got
>>> to brag about it!  I also made pastrami.
>>
>> I made tamales from scratch once just to say I did it.  Soaked the
>> corn husks, slow simmered the pork roast with spices, shredded the
>> meat, made the masa meal mixed with a bit of the spicy gravy, spread
>> the masa dough on the soaked husks and added the shredded meat, rolled
>> them up and steamed them.  It was a long slow process.  They were
>> delicious!  I'll never do it again. :)
>>
>
> I have had tamales a number of times and they are something I just
> cannot get excited about. Some were a little better than others, but in
> general they all a lot of bland masa and just a little good stuff in the
> middle. Good for you for making them but, given my experience with them,
> there is no way I am going to all that work for so little benefit.
>
There are different styles of tamales. The ones I made were purely
Tex-mex but the masa had the nicely spiced gravy from the slow simmering
of the meat with all the spices added in. Spread on the soaked corn
husks, filled and rolled, simmered over the rest of the gravy. They were
delicious but not worth all the trouble.

There are different styles of tamales. There was a restaurant in
Memphis (long defunct) that made them differently, they were slightly
doughy but had a great spicy shredded meat filling, served unwrapped and
topped with an almost "country gravy" with lots of spice.

The tamales made locally are steamed in banana leaves rather than corn
husks.

Jill

On 2024-03-16 10:25 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/16/2024 9:36 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16 8:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/15/2024 7:48 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>
>>>> I've done it.  Yes, it was good but cheaper/easier to buy it.  I did
>>>> it just to say I did it, like I just did.  Twenty years later I got
>>>> to brag about it!  I also made pastrami.
>>>
>>> I made tamales from scratch once just to say I did it.  Soaked the
>>> corn husks, slow simmered the pork roast with spices, shredded the
>>> meat, made the masa meal mixed with a bit of the spicy gravy, spread
>>> the masa dough on the soaked husks and added the shredded meat,
>>> rolled them up and steamed them.  It was a long slow process.  They
>>> were delicious!  I'll never do it again. :)
>>>
>>
>> I have had tamales a number of times and they are something I just
>> cannot get excited about. Some were a little better than others, but
>> in general they all a lot of bland masa and just a little good stuff
>> in the middle. Good for you for making them but, given my experience
>> with them, there is no way I am going to all that work for so little
>> benefit.
>>
> There are different styles of tamales.  The ones I made were purely
> Tex-mex but the masa had the nicely spiced gravy from the slow simmering
> of the meat with all the spices added in.  Spread on the soaked corn
> husks, filled and rolled, simmered over the rest of the gravy. They were
> delicious but not worth all the trouble.
>
> There are different styles of tamales.  There was a restaurant in
> Memphis (long defunct) that made them differently, they were slightly
> doughy but had a great spicy shredded meat filling, served unwrapped and
> topped with an almost "country gravy" with lots of spice.
>
There is not much of a Latino community here, and especially not
Mexican, so real Mexican food is rare. Our former neighbours had
Mexican friends who used to come to their parties and always brought a
ton of food. A couple times they brought tamales. We have also had them
from a stand at the farmers market in the city. They are okay. I will
take them if they are free. If it's a restaurant and there is a menu you
can bet I will order something else. No way I am making them.

> The tamales made locally are steamed in banana leaves rather than corn
> husks.
>

I can see that leading to a slight difference. When I have had them
there was the distinct taste of corn husk.

On 16/03/2024 14:21, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 13:45:42 +0000, S Viemeister
> <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>
>> On 16/03/2024 13:01, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to point to Stan Rogers it should be this one, or Barretts
>>> Privateers. He wasn't known for pipes.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRpYtAhGAo
>>>
>> He died far too young. That one, and Barrett's Privateers are favourites
>> of mine.
>> Friends of mine from my days on the folk scene in Edinburgh, recorded
>> some of his songs - they do an excellent version of Privateers.
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=R-Yn9_JV4do>
>>
>> (One of Ian's cousins is married to a cousin of mine.)
>
> Yes, he did die far too young, Harry Chapin likewise :( That is a
> nice job of Barratts, the other Stan Rogers I love is Cape St. Mary's,
> though I confess there aren't any of his I dislike :)
>
That's one I wasn't familiar with - thank you!

On 3/16/2024 10:38 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2024-03-16 10:25 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/16/2024 9:36 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-16 8:31 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2024 7:48 PM, Ed P wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I've done it.  Yes, it was good but cheaper/easier to buy it.  I
>>>>> did it just to say I did it, like I just did.  Twenty years later I
>>>>> got to brag about it!  I also made pastrami.
>>>>
>>>> I made tamales from scratch once just to say I did it.  Soaked the
>>>> corn husks, slow simmered the pork roast with spices, shredded the
>>>> meat, made the masa meal mixed with a bit of the spicy gravy, spread
>>>> the masa dough on the soaked husks and added the shredded meat,
>>>> rolled them up and steamed them.  It was a long slow process.  They
>>>> were delicious!  I'll never do it again. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have had tamales a number of times and they are something I just
>>> cannot get excited about. Some were a little better than others, but
>>> in general they all a lot of bland masa and just a little good stuff
>>> in the middle. Good for you for making them but, given my experience
>>> with them, there is no way I am going to all that work for so little
>>> benefit.
>>>
>> There are different styles of tamales.  There was a restaurant in
>> Memphis (long defunct) that made them differently, they were slightly
>> doughy but had a great spicy shredded meat filling, served unwrapped
>> and topped with an almost "country gravy" with lots of spice.
>>
> There is not much of a Latino community here, and especially not
> Mexican, so real Mexican food is rare.
(snip)
>I will
> take them if they are free. If it's a restaurant and there is a menu you
> can bet I will order something else. No way I am making them.
>
>> The tamales made locally are
>>steamed in banana leaves rather than corn
>> husks.
>
> I can see that leading to a slight difference. When I have had them
> there was the distinct taste of corn husk.
>
It might dismay Bruce to know not everything involves corn! ;) Banana
leaves are more common here and they hold the shape and steam the
tamales very well. I still don't plan to make tamales again any time soon.

Jill

On 2024-03-16 11:02 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/16/2024 10:38 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I can see that leading to a slight difference. When I have had them
>> there was the distinct taste of corn husk.
>>
> It might dismay Bruce to know not everything involves corn! ;)

Yeah well, he may be simply misinformed or he is being intentionally
dense to maintain his persona. I don't know why anyone indulges him
anymore. His act got tiresome years ago.

  Banana
> leaves are more common here and they hold the shape and steam the
> tamales very well.  I still don't plan to make tamales again any time soon.
>

I don't blame you at all. I have had commercially made tamales,
restaurant tamales and home made tamales. They are okay but just not
worth any effort.

On 2024-03-16, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2024-03-16 8:58 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On 3/16/2024 5:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-15, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/15/2024 5:49 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:06 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:58 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/2024 3:01 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sunday looks to be a good day to make orange marmalade.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL!  I don't much care about "St. Patrick's Day" but it's the only
>>>>>>>> time of year I can find corned beef brisket.  I'm not inclined to go
>>>>>>>> to the trouble of corning a brisket myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't do the St. Patrick's Day. I do have some Irish Catholic
>>>>>>> ancestry and my mother used to do corned beef, cabbage and boiled
>>>>>>> potatoes thing every year and it was probably my least favourite
>>>>>>> dinner of the year, followed by another other meal that involved
>>>>>>> cabbage.  I am not adverse to the corned beef part but I just can't do
>>>>>>> it that day with the expectation of all the other supposedly
>>>>>>> traditional Irish stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Including the ubiquitous banshee music.
>>>>>
>>>>> As if bagpipes are all that pleasant. LOL
>>>>
>>>> There are several different kinds of pipes. Northumbrian smallpipes
>>>> can be quite pleasant. They sound kind of like an oboe on steroids.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQSEn-SZzpM
>>>>
>>>> It takes a couple of minutes before the pipes come in. They're playing
>>>> alongside a flute.
>>>>
>>> True, but that's folk music. Not the screeling of full on bagpipes.
>>
>> Skreeling bagpipes _are_ folk music.
>>
>
> Skreel or skirl?

Thanks. I knew the 'c' wasn't right, but my rhinovirus-addled brain
couldn't come up with "skirling".

Although if you don't enjoy the pipes, "screeling" is close to
"screeching".

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 3/16/2024 8:58 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On 3/16/2024 5:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-15, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/15/2024 5:49 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:06 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:58 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/2024 3:01 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sunday looks to be a good day to make orange marmalade.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL!  I don't much care about "St. Patrick's Day" but it's the only
>>>>>>>> time of year I can find corned beef brisket.  I'm not inclined to go
>>>>>>>> to the trouble of corning a brisket myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't do the St. Patrick's Day. I do have some Irish Catholic
>>>>>>> ancestry and my mother used to do corned beef, cabbage and boiled
>>>>>>> potatoes thing every year and it was probably my least favourite
>>>>>>> dinner of the year, followed by another other meal that involved
>>>>>>> cabbage.  I am not adverse to the corned beef part but I just can't do
>>>>>>> it that day with the expectation of all the other supposedly
>>>>>>> traditional Irish stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Including the ubiquitous banshee music.
>>>>>
>>>>> As if bagpipes are all that pleasant. LOL
>>>>
>>>> There are several different kinds of pipes. Northumbrian smallpipes
>>>> can be quite pleasant. They sound kind of like an oboe on steroids.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQSEn-SZzpM
>>>>
>>>> It takes a couple of minutes before the pipes come in. They're playing
>>>> alongside a flute.
>>>>
>>> True, but that's folk music. Not the screeling of full on bagpipes.
>>
>> Skreeling bagpipes _are_ folk music.
>>
> The ones marching in formation in front of the various palaces in the UK
> in unison don't sound sweet or soothing.

Folk music is not universally sweet or soothing. Perhaps that's your
taste in folk music, but it's not the whole story.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 3/16/2024 9:55 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 16/03/2024 13:47, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/16/2024 8:58 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>>> Skreeling bagpipes _are_ folk music.
>>>>
>>> The ones marching in formation in front of the various palaces in the
>>> UK in unison don't sound sweet or soothing.
>>>
>> Those are war pipes - they aren't meant to be soothing!
>>
> Those are the only sounds I've seen, the ones marching ahead of a
> wedding or state funeral (dirges).
>
>> Parlour pipes, though, can be lovely.
>>
> I don't disbelieve that. A flute is a pipe, after all.

A flute is not closely related to bagpipes. Flutes produce
music by splitting a column of air across an edge. Bagpipes
produce music by passing a column of air through a joined pair
of reeds. That's why they sound like angry oboes. There are
no human lips to control the pressure on the reeds.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-16, lucretia@florence.it <lucretia@florence.it> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 08:40:33 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On 3/16/2024 5:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-15, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2024 5:49 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:06 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:58 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/15/2024 3:01 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sunday looks to be a good day to make orange marmalade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL!  I don't much care about "St. Patrick's Day" but it's the only
>>>>>>> time of year I can find corned beef brisket.  I'm not inclined to go
>>>>>>> to the trouble of corning a brisket myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't do the St. Patrick's Day. I do have some Irish Catholic
>>>>>> ancestry and my mother used to do corned beef, cabbage and boiled
>>>>>> potatoes thing every year and it was probably my least favourite
>>>>>> dinner of the year, followed by another other meal that involved
>>>>>> cabbage.  I am not adverse to the corned beef part but I just can't do
>>>>>> it that day with the expectation of all the other supposedly
>>>>>> traditional Irish stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Including the ubiquitous banshee music.
>>>>
>>>> As if bagpipes are all that pleasant. LOL
>>>
>>> There are several different kinds of pipes. Northumbrian smallpipes
>>> can be quite pleasant. They sound kind of like an oboe on steroids.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQSEn-SZzpM
>>>
>>> It takes a couple of minutes before the pipes come in. They're playing
>>> alongside a flute.
>>>
>>True, but that's folk music. Not the screeling of full on bagpipes.
>>
>>Jill
>
> If you want to point to Stan Rogers it should be this one, or Barretts
> Privateers.

I wanted to point to a song that featured chamber pipes. "Harris
and the Mare" was the first one that came to mind. Plus, it's one
of my favorites.

> He wasn't known for pipes.

You're right. The Northumbrian pipes were played by one of his
sidemen, and not all of his songs featured them.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRpYtAhGAo

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-16, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
> On 16/03/2024 13:01, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>
>> If you want to point to Stan Rogers it should be this one, or Barretts
>> Privateers. He wasn't known for pipes.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRpYtAhGAo
>>
> He died far too young.

You are so right. He died young and useless pieces of shit like
Donald Trump live to a ripe old age.

> That one, and Barrett's Privateers are favourites
> of mine.
>
> Friends of mine from my days on the folk scene in Edinburgh, recorded
> some of his songs - they do an excellent version of Privateers.
>
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=R-Yn9_JV4do>
>
> (One of Ian's cousins is married to a cousin of mine.)

That was a good rendition. My husband has a folk-punk recording.
It's pretty intense.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 2024-03-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 3/16/2024 9:45 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 16/03/2024 13:01, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to point to Stan Rogers it should be this one, or Barretts
>>> Privateers.  He wasn't known for pipes.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRpYtAhGAo
>>>
>> He died far too young. That one, and Barrett's Privateers are favourites
>> of mine.
>> Friends of mine from my days on the folk scene in Edinburgh, recorded
>> some of his songs - they do an excellent version of Privateers.
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=R-Yn9_JV4do>
>>
>> (One of Ian's cousins is married to a cousin of mine.)
>>
> That's almost like a sea shanty.

A capstan shanty, perhaps. There were different types of shanty
for different types of work on ships. Not every nautical song
is a shanty.

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 16/03/2024 15:30, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-16, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> On 16/03/2024 13:01, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to point to Stan Rogers it should be this one, or Barretts
>>> Privateers. He wasn't known for pipes.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRpYtAhGAo
>>>
>> He died far too young.
>
> You are so right. He died young and useless pieces of shit like
> Donald Trump live to a ripe old age.
>
>> That one, and Barrett's Privateers are favourites
>> of mine.
>>
>> Friends of mine from my days on the folk scene in Edinburgh, recorded
>> some of his songs - they do an excellent version of Privateers.
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=R-Yn9_JV4do>
>>
>> (One of Ian's cousins is married to a cousin of mine.)
>
> That was a good rendition. My husband has a folk-punk recording.
> It's pretty intense.
>
<boggle>!!
Who performed that?

On 2024-03-16, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
> On 16/03/2024 15:30, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2024-03-16, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>> On 16/03/2024 13:01, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you want to point to Stan Rogers it should be this one, or Barretts
>>>> Privateers. He wasn't known for pipes.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRpYtAhGAo
>>>>
>>> He died far too young.
>>
>> You are so right. He died young and useless pieces of shit like
>> Donald Trump live to a ripe old age.
>>
>>> That one, and Barrett's Privateers are favourites
>>> of mine.
>>>
>>> Friends of mine from my days on the folk scene in Edinburgh, recorded
>>> some of his songs - they do an excellent version of Privateers.
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=R-Yn9_JV4do>
>>>
>>> (One of Ian's cousins is married to a cousin of mine.)
>>
>> That was a good rendition. My husband has a folk-punk recording.
>> It's pretty intense.
>>
><boggle>!!
> Who performed that?

The Real McKenzies

--
Cindy Hamilton

On 16/03/2024 16:27, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-16, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> On 16/03/2024 15:30, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-16, S Viemeister <firstname@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>>> On 16/03/2024 13:01, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you want to point to Stan Rogers it should be this one, or Barretts
>>>>> Privateers. He wasn't known for pipes.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMRpYtAhGAo
>>>>>
>>>> He died far too young.
>>>
>>> You are so right. He died young and useless pieces of shit like
>>> Donald Trump live to a ripe old age.
>>>
>>>> That one, and Barrett's Privateers are favourites
>>>> of mine.
>>>>
>>>> Friends of mine from my days on the folk scene in Edinburgh, recorded
>>>> some of his songs - they do an excellent version of Privateers.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=R-Yn9_JV4do>
>>>>
>>>> (One of Ian's cousins is married to a cousin of mine.)
>>>
>>> That was a good rendition. My husband has a folk-punk recording.
>>> It's pretty intense.
>>>
>> <boggle>!!
>> Who performed that?
>
> The Real McKenzies
>
I'll have to look them up (my Granny was a MacKenzie).

In article <ut47tg$2srjn$6@dont-email.me>,
j_mcquown@comcast.net says...
>
> On 3/16/2024 8:58 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On 2024-03-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On 3/16/2024 5:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On 2024-03-15, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 3/15/2024 5:49 PM, Graham wrote:
> >>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:06 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:58 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 3/15/2024 3:01 PM, Graham wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sunday looks to be a good day to make orange marmalade.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> LOL!  I don't much care about "St. Patrick's Day" but it's the only
> >>>>>>> time of year I can find corned beef brisket.  I'm not inclined to go
> >>>>>>> to the trouble of corning a brisket myself.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't do the St. Patrick's Day. I do have some Irish Catholic
> >>>>>> ancestry and my mother used to do corned beef, cabbage and boiled
> >>>>>> potatoes thing every year and it was probably my least favourite
> >>>>>> dinner of the year, followed by another other meal that involved
> >>>>>> cabbage.  I am not adverse to the corned beef part but I just can't do
> >>>>>> it that day with the expectation of all the other supposedly
> >>>>>> traditional Irish stuff.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Including the ubiquitous banshee music.
> >>>>
> >>>> As if bagpipes are all that pleasant. LOL
> >>>
> >>> There are several different kinds of pipes. Northumbrian smallpipes
> >>> can be quite pleasant. They sound kind of like an oboe on steroids.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQSEn-SZzpM
> >>>
> >>> It takes a couple of minutes before the pipes come in. They're playing
> >>> alongside a flute.
> >>>
> >> True, but that's folk music. Not the screeling of full on bagpipes.
> >
> > Skreeling bagpipes _are_ folk music.
> >
> The ones marching in formation in front of the various palaces in the UK
> in unison don't sound sweet or soothing.

That's because those are military bands playing war
music intended to intimidate the enemy.

unlike the Uillan elbow pipes of Irish folk music.

Janet UK

On 2024-03-16 7:05 a.m., lucretia@florence.it wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2024 12:58:12 GMT, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-03-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> On 3/16/2024 5:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-15, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/15/2024 5:49 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:06 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:58 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/15/2024 3:01 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sunday looks to be a good day to make orange marmalade.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL!  I don't much care about "St. Patrick's Day" but it's the only
>>>>>>>> time of year I can find corned beef brisket.  I'm not inclined to go
>>>>>>>> to the trouble of corning a brisket myself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't do the St. Patrick's Day. I do have some Irish Catholic
>>>>>>> ancestry and my mother used to do corned beef, cabbage and boiled
>>>>>>> potatoes thing every year and it was probably my least favourite
>>>>>>> dinner of the year, followed by another other meal that involved
>>>>>>> cabbage.  I am not adverse to the corned beef part but I just can't do
>>>>>>> it that day with the expectation of all the other supposedly
>>>>>>> traditional Irish stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Including the ubiquitous banshee music.
>>>>>
>>>>> As if bagpipes are all that pleasant. LOL
>>>>
>>>> There are several different kinds of pipes. Northumbrian smallpipes
>>>> can be quite pleasant. They sound kind of like an oboe on steroids.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQSEn-SZzpM
>>>>
>>>> It takes a couple of minutes before the pipes come in. They're playing
>>>> alongside a flute.
>>>>
>>> True, but that's folk music. Not the screeling of full on bagpipes.
>>
>> Skreeling bagpipes _are_ folk music.
>
> In part, I had a laugh when my father piped in the haggis for Bobbie
> Burns Night at a mess in Tokyo. The American wife standing next to
> me was astounded when he played 'Deep in the Heart of Dixie' she said
> 'Oh, I didn't know bag pipes could play American tunes' - idiot!

They can't play ANY tune!!!!!!!

On 2024-03-15 1:01 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2024-03-14 2:29 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> Long gone are the days of $2.99/lb "deals" on corned beef brisket; the
>> going rate this year across all local markets was $4.99/lb.  I bought
>> three of them this year; two are in the freezer.  I love corned beef
>> brisket and this is the only time of year I can find it.  (Sorry, the
>> canned stuff simply doesn't count as corned beef in my book and no,
>> I'm not going to bother to "corn" a brisket.)  I also picked up a nice
>> head of cabbage.
>>
>> I will likely cook it on Saturday.  I do it in the crock pot/slow
>> cooker with the peppercorn spice packet in a minimal amount of water;
>> I do add a couple of extra dried bay leaves.  Towards the end of
>> cooking I cut the cabbage into wedges and cook it on top of the beef
>> until it's just fork tender.
>>
>> I do not cook potatoes and carrots with this.  But I did buy some
>> potatoes so I could make a pan of corned beef hash with some of the
>> leftover brisket.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Sunday looks to be a good day to make orange marmalade.

I should have added that I will be wearing an orange shirt and
orange socks.

Ed P wrote:

(Snip but on corned beef brisket)
>
> I've done it. Yes, it was good but cheaper/easier to buy it. I did
> it just to say I did it, like I just did. Twenty years later I got
> to brag about it! I also made pastrami.

I do a lot of things like that. Just to see how it goes. I've had some
flops but I almost always get something useful from the experiment. It
may be a process or an ingredient.

Take making Pho broth. It's expensive and tricky. The bases though
are good things to have handy and just add water. One that I really
like comes in a largish cube and makes a very nice addition to a bean
pot and is made to flavor about 80ounces of water.

I'd give you a name but other than 'pho' there's nothing understandable
on the writing. There's also one in a tin but I haven't tried it yet.
The cubes come in a small retangular cellophane package and there are 6
individually wrapped cubes in it.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2024-03-16, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 3/16/2024 5:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-15, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/2024 5:49 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:06 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-15 3:58 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/15/2024 3:01 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sunday looks to be a good day to make orange marmalade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL!  I don't much care about "St. Patrick's Day" but it's the only
>>>>>>> time of year I can find corned beef brisket.  I'm not inclined to go
>>>>>>> to the trouble of corning a brisket myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't do the St. Patrick's Day. I do have some Irish Catholic
>>>>>> ancestry and my mother used to do corned beef, cabbage and boiled
>>>>>> potatoes thing every year and it was probably my least favourite
>>>>>> dinner of the year, followed by another other meal that involved
>>>>>> cabbage.  I am not adverse to the corned beef part but I just can't do
>>>>>> it that day with the expectation of all the other supposedly
>>>>>> traditional Irish stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Including the ubiquitous banshee music.
>>>>
>>>> As if bagpipes are all that pleasant. LOL
>>>
>>> There are several different kinds of pipes. Northumbrian smallpipes
>>> can be quite pleasant. They sound kind of like an oboe on steroids.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQSEn-SZzpM
>>>
>>> It takes a couple of minutes before the pipes come in. They're playing
>>> alongside a flute.
>>>
>> True, but that's folk music. Not the screeling of full on bagpipes.
>
> Skreeling bagpipes _are_ folk music.
>
>
I want bagpipes at my funeral, so I don’t have to listen to them.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 11:08:21 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2024-03-16 11:02 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/16/2024 10:38 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I can see that leading to a slight difference. When I have had them
>>> there was the distinct taste of corn husk.
>>>
>> It might dismay Bruce to know not everything involves corn! ;)
>
>Yeah well, he may be simply misinformed or he is being intentionally
>dense to maintain his persona. I don't know why anyone indulges him
>anymore. His act got tiresome years ago.

One wonders what you are talking about and so do I.

jmcquown wrote:

> On 3/15/2024 7:48 PM, Ed P wrote:
> > On 3/15/2024 3:58 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > On 3/15/2024 3:01 PM, Graham wrote:
> > > > On 2024-03-14 2:29 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > Long gone are the days of $2.99/lb "deals" on corned beef
> > > > > brisket; the going rate this year across all local markets
> > > > > was $4.99/lb.  I bought three of them this year; two are in
> > > > > the freezer.  I love corned beef brisket and this is the
> > > > > only time of year I can find it. (Sorry, the canned stuff
> > > > > simply doesn't count as corned beef in my book and no, I'm
> > > > > not going to bother to "corn" a brisket.)  I also picked up
> > > > > a nice head of cabbage.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will likely cook it on Saturday.  I do it in the crock
> > > > > pot/slow cooker with the peppercorn spice packet in a
> > > > > minimal amount of water; I do add a couple of extra dried
> > > > > bay leaves.  Towards the end of cooking I cut the cabbage
> > > > > into wedges and cook it on top of the beef until it's just
> > > > > fork tender.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not cook potatoes and carrots with this.  But I did buy
> > > > > some potatoes so I could make a pan of corned beef hash with
> > > > > some of the leftover brisket.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jill
> > > >
> > > > Sunday looks to be a good day to make orange marmalade.
> > >
> > > LOL!  I don't much care about "St. Patrick's Day" but it's the
> > > only time of year I can find corned beef brisket.  I'm not
> > > inclined to go to the trouble of corning a brisket myself.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > I've done it.  Yes, it was good but cheaper/easier to buy it.  I
> > did it just to say I did it, like I just did.  Twenty years later
> > I got to brag about it!  I also made pastrami.
>
> I made tamales from scratch once just to say I did it. Soaked the
> corn husks, slow simmered the pork roast with spices, shredded the
> meat, made the masa meal mixed with a bit of the spicy gravy, spread
> the masa dough on the soaked husks and added the shredded meat,
> rolled them up and steamed them. It was a long slow process. They
> were delicious! I'll never do it again. :)
>
> Jill

That was me and Kalua smoked pork. (Kalua not Kailua) It was very good,
just like I remembered it from Hawaii, but a lot of trouble. Don and I
did the smoker method with pecan and mesquite mixed smoking wood on a
small pork shoulder.

On 3/16/2024 10:21 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:

>
> Yes, he did die far too young, Harry Chapin likewise :( That is a
> nice job of Barratts, the other Stan Rogers I love is Cape St. Mary's,
> though I confess there aren't any of his I dislike :)

We met Harry Chapin some years ago (1979?). He was big on raising money
for a charity that fed people and after concerts he would sell and
autograph his books and T-shirts. The Valley Forge Music Fair was a
smallish venue so my wife and I waited until the crowd died down.

Standing in the lobby, we were talking to a woman that was there,
evidently waiting too. Once the crowd was gone, she said to us "let me
introduce you to my husband" and took us over to meet Harry. It was
very cool at the time. My kids still have what we bought for them.

https://whyhunger.org/who-we-are/history/

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 14:46:30 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 3/16/2024 10:21 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, he did die far too young, Harry Chapin likewise :( That is a
>> nice job of Barratts, the other Stan Rogers I love is Cape St. Mary's,
>> though I confess there aren't any of his I dislike :)
>
>
>We met Harry Chapin some years ago (1979?). He was big on raising money
>for a charity that fed people and after concerts he would sell and
>autograph his books and T-shirts. The Valley Forge Music Fair was a
>smallish venue so my wife and I waited until the crowd died down.
>
>Standing in the lobby, we were talking to a woman that was there,
>evidently waiting too. Once the crowd was gone, she said to us "let me
>introduce you to my husband" and took us over to meet Harry. It was
>very cool at the time. My kids still have what we bought for them.
>
>https://whyhunger.org/who-we-are/history/

He was a totally nice person, came to NS one summer to play at a
university festival. I got a matinee ticket (knew David didn't want
to go lol) and when the moment came there were only five of us! He
asked us if we minded if he still played and we said of course not lol
Then about half way through he asked us if we minded if he let the
students in as it looked like their classes had finished for the day,
he was sorry, they hadn't paid, but did we mind. Really great
personalised concert, just a few weeks before he was killed, so sad,
gone far too early.

On 16/03/2024 18:46, Ed P wrote:
> On 3/16/2024 10:21 AM, lucretia@florence.it wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, he did die far too young, Harry Chapin likewise :(    That is a
>> nice job of Barratts, the other Stan Rogers I love is Cape St. Mary's,
>> though I confess there aren't any of his I dislike :)
>
>
> We met Harry Chapin some years ago (1979?).  He was big on raising money
> for a charity that fed people and after concerts he would sell and
> autograph his books and T-shirts.  The Valley Forge Music Fair was a
> smallish venue so my wife and I waited until the crowd died down.
>
> Standing in the lobby, we were talking to a woman that was there,
> evidently waiting too.  Once the crowd was gone, she said to us "let me
> introduce you to my husband" and took us over to meet Harry.  It was
> very cool at the time.  My kids still have what we bought for them.
>
> https://whyhunger.org/who-we-are/history/
His brother Tom did/does quite a bit of charity work, too. We used to
take our kids to his concerts, and got to meet him.
Good men, both of them.