On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 14:39:58 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:47:17 -0400, John H <jherring@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
>>>"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>> >the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>> >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>> >legitimate election victory.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>> >testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>> >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>> >them in that role," she added.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>> >Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>> >phone call.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>> >others, Bowers said.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >For more:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>
>>>>===
>>>>
>>>>I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what.
>No
>>>amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>
>>>If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
>>>do their job?
>>>Have you seen an indictment?
>>>I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
>>>Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
>>>jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
>>>they might get.
>>>We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
>>>hacks who are in an election cycle?
>>
>>Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
>
>It is interesting how quickly these people are willing to abandon free
>elections in favor of allowing the party in power to pick the
>candidates who can run or not.
>I doubt Trump can be elected again but he has every right to try and
>if there are "crimes" the justice system should be the ones
>investigating and prosecuting. Not a partisan political panel.
>People like Wayne and Harry are using an accusation of a crime as
>justification to bar a candidate they disagree with.

And Trump has yet to be accused of a crime.

gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:>On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:>> Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >> > Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze >> >>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >> >>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >> >>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >> >>>>> the 2020 presidential election. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >> >>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >> >>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >> >>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >> >>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally
dubious schemes that would >> >>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >> >>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >> >>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >> >>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >> >>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >> >>>>> legitimate election victory. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including >> >>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >> >>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >> >>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >> >>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >> >>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >> >>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when h
e called you?" an >> >>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >> >>>>> her testimony played during the hearing. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >> >>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >> >>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >> >>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >> >>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >> >>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >> >>>>> them in that role," she added. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >> >>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >> >>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >> >>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >> >>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >> >>>>> phone call. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >> >>>>> he was proposing had nev
er been done before but continued to push him >> >>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >> >>>>> others, Bowers said. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For more: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search >> >>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 >> >>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >> >>>> from running in 2024. >> >>>> >> >>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures >> >>>> on January 6. >> >>>> >> >>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >> >>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >> >>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >> >>>> that are allowed to run? >> >>> >> >>> === >> >>> >> >>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >> >>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >> >>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >> >>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >> >>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investiga
tions >> >>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >> >>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >> >>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. >> >>> >> >> >> >> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >> >> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >> >> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >> >> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >> >> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >> >> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >> >> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >> >> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned? >> >> >> >> >> > >> > That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the >> > sworn testimony. >> >>> As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the >> government?>>>No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of thehouse and the spe
aker (the chain of command)This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 swornofficers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was ableto sack the Capitol. What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack? A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol witheveryone in it.

Nancy didn't figure on more than a few citizens being disappointed
at the presumed election outcome.
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 23:04:16 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:18:47 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
><me@yourservice.com> wrote:
>
>>Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn the 2020 presidential election.The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were all on the receiving
>end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would undermine the election,
>including efforts to subvert the Electoral College with fake pro-Trump electors.Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effortMultiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
>battleground
>>states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's legitimate election victory.CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President himself was not only aware
>of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors."In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an investigator with
>the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of her testimony played during the hearing."Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were ongoing change the result of
>>any dates," McDaniel responded."I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping them in that role," she added.Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a
>plan to put forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state."I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 phone call.The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what he was proposing had never been done before
>but continued to push him anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and others, Bowers said.For more:https://www.google.com/advanced_search-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
>>
>>A cut and paste from a character who claims to be a speech writer.
>>Too funny. Fat Harry, you're a fraud.
>
>A quick Google search shows it is lifted straight from CNN.

Stop engaging with a troll.

<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>> sworn testimony.
>
> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>
> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
> they can't.
>
> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>
You are blaming the victims for the crimes.

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On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 22:23:08 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
<keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

><gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>> sworn testimony.
>>
>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>
>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>> they can't.
>>
>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>
>You are blaming the victims for the crimes.

I guess you think the Uvalde police are victims too.
The Cap Po Only have 2 jobs
1. Protect the Capitol
2. Drive drunk Kennedys home.

Since the voters sent the last of the Kennedys packing, they only have
one job and they failed miserably.
One unintended thing coming out of this witch hunt is just how long
the legis;lative branch knew there was going to be thousands of
protestors on Jan 6. They didn't do anything until the morning of the
6th. They didn't even cancel vacations and bring in people on
overtime. There was no particular effort to get help from anywhere
else. The idea that the house speaker can't pressure other agencies is
ludicrous.

"That's a real nice appropriations bill you have there. It would be a
shame if something bad happened to it".

Trump was gone in 2 weeks, Nancy was still there. They would come
running.

On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
> >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
> >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
> >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
> >>> >
> >>> >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
> >>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
> >>> >
> >>> >Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
> >>> >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
> >>> >
> >>> >Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
> >>> >
> >>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
> >>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
> >>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
> >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
> >>> >legitimate election victory.
> >>> >
> >>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
> >>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
> >>> >
> >>> >Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
> >>> >testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
> >>> >
> >>> >"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
> >>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
> >>> >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
> >>> >them in that role," she added.
> >>> >
> >>> >Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
> >>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
> >>> >Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
> >>> >phone call.
> >>> >
> >>> >The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
> >>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
> >>> >others, Bowers said.
> >>> >
> >>> >For more:
> >>> >
> >>> >https://www.google.com/advanced_search
> >>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
> >>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
> >>> from running in 2024.
> >>>
> >>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
> >>> on January 6.
> >>>
> >>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
> >>> that are allowed to run?
> >>
> >>===
> >>
> >>I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
> >amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
> >
> >If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
> >do their job?
> >Have you seen an indictment?
> >I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
> >Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
> >they might get.
> >We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
> >hacks who are in an election cycle?
> Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!

==
The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes. Facing the threat of serious prison time, they may be offered immunity in exchange for testimony that incriminates Trump. Armed with that kind of evidence the DOJ might then be ready to bring charges against the orange menace. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.

On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
>> >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>> >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>> >>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>> >>> >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>> >>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>> >>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>> >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>> >>> >legitimate election victory.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>> >>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>> >>> >testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>> >>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>> >>> >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>> >>> >them in that role," she added.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>> >>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>> >>> >Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>> >>> >phone call.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>> >>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>> >>> >others, Bowers said.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >For more:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>> >>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>> >>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>> >>> from running in 2024.
>> >>>
>> >>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>> >>> on January 6.
>> >>>
>> >>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>> >>> that are allowed to run?
>> >>
>> >>===
>> >>
>> >>I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what.
No
>> >amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>> >
>> >If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
>> >do their job?
>> >Have you seen an indictment?
>> >I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
>> >Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
>> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
>> >they might get.
>> >We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
>> >hacks who are in an election cycle?
>> Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
>
>===
>
>The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how
they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes. Facing the threat of serious prison time, they may be offered immunity in exchange for testimony that incriminates Trump. Armed with that kind of evidence the
DOJ might then be ready to bring charges against the orange menace. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.

I understand all the fiery rhetoric coming out of the DNC and their
media minions has your nipples getting hard but it is a long way from
accused to convicted.
In the mean time, the motive is clear. They don't give a shit about
how to prevent another attack on the Capitol. The only focus is
getting Trump for something that will prevent him from running again.
The crimes that might make it to verdict won't do that.

Hitler wrote Mein Kamph in prison. ;-)

You can kill Trump but you still need to deal with the discontent out
in flyover land that let him be president in the first place. Double
digit inflation and higher interest on their loans is not going to buy
you love from that crowd.
The real victory will be for the guy who can scoop up that vote
without pissing off too many people like you.

Harry will vote for the yellow dog.

I probably won't vote for either of them.

On 6/22/2022 8:38 AM, justan wrote:
> Keyser Soze <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
>> Justan Ohlphart <me@yourservice.com> wrote:> gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 18:18:47 -0400 (EDT), Justan>> Ohlphart<me@yourservice.com> wrote:>Keyser S?ze>> <KeyserS??ze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> Today's hearing before>> the House select committee investigating the January 6 insurrection>> revealed new details Tuesday about how former President Donald Trump>> pressured state officials to help him overturn the 2020 presidential>> election.The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials>> who were all on the receivingend of Trump's outreach after the election:>> Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling>> and Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.Like previous>> hearings, these officials testified about their unwillingness to>> participate in legally dubious schemes that would undermine the>> election,including efforts to subvert the Electoral College with fake>> pro-Trump electors.Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's>> hearing:Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors>> effortMultiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally>> involved in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in>> keybattleground>states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn>> Biden's legitimate election victory.CNN has previously reported on the>> role that key Trump allies, including his former attorney Rudy Giuliani,>> played in overseeing the effort but witnesses revealed new details>> Tuesday about how the former President himself was not only awareof the>> push, but seemingly endorsed it.Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the>> Republican National Committee, testified that she received a call from>> Trump and conservative lawyer John Eastman after the election about>> helping to assemble the electors."In this effort, what did the President>> say when he called you?" an investigator withthe committee asked>> McDaniel, according to video of her testimony played during the>> hearing."Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then>> proceeded to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign>> gather these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges>> that were ongoing change the result of>any dates," McDaniel responded."I>> think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping>> them in that role," she added.Bowers also told the committee that he>> received a call from Trump and Giuliani during which they urged him to>> go along with aplan to put forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from>> the state."I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said>> on Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22>> phone call.The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani>> acknowledged what he was proposing had never been done beforebut>> continued to push him anyway. That also came up in other conversations>> with Eastman and others, Bowers said.For>> more:https://www.google.com/advanced_search-- * I just want to find>> 11,780 votes... *>>A cut and paste from a character who claims to be a>> speech writer.>Too funny. Fat Harry, you're a fraud.A quick Google>> search shows it is lifted straight from CNN.> > Plaigerized lies from CNN. What a mook. Or as the moderator of> Maryland Shooters calls hin, "Asshat".cnn is credited, shit for brains.-- Lock Trump Up
>
> There you go again Asshat. Theres no wonder why everything coming
> from your keyboard is a lie or a cut and paste from some obscure
> source. Show us where you give credit for the entire article to
> CNN.

All I see is a link to https://www.google.com/advanced_search

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On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
>> >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>> >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>> >>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>> >>> >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>> >>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>> >>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>> >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>> >>> >legitimate election victory.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>> >>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>> >>> >testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>> >>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>> >>> >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>> >>> >them in that role," she added.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>> >>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>> >>> >Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>> >>> >phone call.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>> >>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>> >>> >others, Bowers said.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >For more:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>> >>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>> >>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>> >>> from running in 2024.
>> >>>
>> >>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>> >>> on January 6.
>> >>>
>> >>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>> >>> that are allowed to run?
>> >>
>> >>===
>> >>
>> >>I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
>> >amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>> >
>> >If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
>> >do their job?
>> >Have you seen an indictment?
>> >I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
>> >Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
>> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
>> >they might get.
>> >We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
>> >hacks who are in an election cycle?
>> Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
>
>===
>
>The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes. Facing the threat of serious prison time, they may be offered immunity in exchange for testimony that incriminates Trump. Armed with that kind of evidence the DOJ might then be ready to bring charges against the orange menace. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.

Holy shit! You won't answer the legitimate questions posed by either
Greg or Bill, but it's obvious you've become entralled with the live
action bullshit displayed by the one-sided hearing.

Did Trump break a law? Why is the FBI not investigating such?

On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>
>>>>> ===
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>> sworn testimony.
>>
>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>
>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>> they can't.
>>
>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>
> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>
>

The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
refused the assistance. Why?

It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
that.

Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
their cost.

What a buffoon we have as POTUS.

"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
Wrote in message:r
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > > >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT), > >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze > >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the > >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former > >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn > >>> >the 2020 presidential election. > >>> > > >>> >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were > >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia > >>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and > >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. > >>> > > >>> >Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their > >>> >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would > >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the
Electoral > >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors. > >>> > > >>> >Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing: > >>> > > >>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort > >>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved > >>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground > >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's > >>> >legitimate election victory. > >>> > > >>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including > >>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but > >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President > >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. > >>> > > >>> >Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, > >>> >testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer > >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. > >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an > >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of > >>> >her testimony played duri
ng the hearing. > >>> > > >>> >"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded > >>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather > >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were > >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. > >>> >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my > >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping > >>> >them in that role," she added. > >>> > > >>> >Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and > >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put > >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. > >>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on > >>> >Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 > >>> >phone call. > >>> > > >>> >The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what > >>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him > >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and > >>> >others, Bowers said. > >>> > > >>> >Fo
r more: > >>> > > >>> >https://www.google.com/advanced_search > >>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 > >>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump > >>> from running in 2024. > >>> > >>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures > >>> on January 6. > >>> > >>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the > >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like > >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates > >>> that are allowed to run? > >> > >>=== > >> > >>I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No > >amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. > > > >If there ar
e crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI > >do their job? > >Have you seen an indictment? > >I haven't, even with a partisan AG. > >Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the > >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions > >they might get. > >We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political > >hacks who are in an election cycle?> Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!===The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes. Facing the threat of serious prison time, they may be offered immunity in exchange for testimony that incriminates Trump. Armed with that kind of evidence the DOJ might then be ready to bring charge
s against the orange menace. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.

Stay tuned for what? Cirque De Jan 6 Committee? Id rather watch
footage of Joey forgetting to put his foot down.
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On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
> <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
>>> Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>
>>> As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
>>> government?
>>
>>
>> No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
>
> They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
> house and the speaker (the chain of command)
> This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
> officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
> to sack the Capitol.
> What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
> A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
> everyone in it.

Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot
those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist
organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.

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On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser  Soze
>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how
>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him
>>>>>>>> overturn
>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election:
>>>>>>>> Georgia
>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally
>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
>>>>>>>> battleground
>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies,
>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
>>>>>>>> effort but
>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative
>>>>>>>> lawyer
>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the
>>>>>>>> electors.
>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to
>>>>>>>> video of
>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then
>>>>>>>> proceeded
>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges
>>>>>>>> that were
>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but
>>>>>>>> .... my
>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were
>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
>>>>>>>> Trump and
>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
>>>>>>>> November 22
>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to
>>>>>>>> push him
>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop
>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
>>>>>>> failures
>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree with your premise.  It should be abundantly clear by
>>>>>> now that
>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
>>>>>> just the
>>>>>> crimes on January 6.  And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what.  No amount of
>>>>>> investigations
>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>> astounding.  Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
>>>>>> office,
>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again?  I
>>>>>> vote no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?   Seems as they just get
>>>>> ignored.   Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
>>>>> Oregon.  No
>>>>> penalty.  Not even a hard hand slap.   Cities with more voters than
>>>>> residents.   Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
>>>>> ran, barely
>>>>> won.   No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in
>>>>> that day
>>>>> also voting.   Used to be a time before registration and voting.
>>>>> Jan 6
>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital.  But
>>>>> Nancy
>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control.  Planned?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>
>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>
>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>> they can't.
>>>
>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>
>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>
>>
>
>
> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
> was anticipated well before Jan 6.  Trump knew because he
> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
> would do that.  The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
> refused the assistance. Why?
>
> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur.  Greg's right.
> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
> running again.  "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
> that.
>
> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
> their cost.
>
> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>
It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an
antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.

On 6/23/2022 8:07 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser  Soze
>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how
>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him
>>>>>>>>> overturn
>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials
>>>>>>>>> who were
>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the
>>>>>>>>> election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally
>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
>>>>>>>>> battleground
>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies,
>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
>>>>>>>>> effort but
>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
>>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative
>>>>>>>>> lawyer
>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the
>>>>>>>>> electors.
>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called
>>>>>>>>> you?" an
>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to
>>>>>>>>> video of
>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then
>>>>>>>>> proceeded
>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign
>>>>>>>>> gather
>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges
>>>>>>>>> that were
>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but
>>>>>>>>> .... my
>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just
>>>>>>>>> were helping
>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
>>>>>>>>> Trump and
>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to
>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
>>>>>>>>> November 22
>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
>>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to
>>>>>>>>> push him
>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop
>>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
>>>>>>>> failures
>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to
>>>>>>>> be like
>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise.  It should be abundantly clear by
>>>>>>> now that
>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
>>>>>>> just the
>>>>>>> crimes on January 6.  And yet we still have millions of adoring
>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero
>>>>>>> would do
>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what.  No amount of
>>>>>>> investigations
>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>> astounding.  Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
>>>>>>> office,
>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again?  I
>>>>>>> vote no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?   Seems as they just
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> ignored.   Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
>>>>>> Oregon.  No
>>>>>> penalty.  Not even a hard hand slap.   Cities with more voters than
>>>>>> residents.   Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
>>>>>> ran, barely
>>>>>> won.   No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in
>>>>>> that day
>>>>>> also voting.   Used to be a time before registration and voting.
>>>>>> Jan 6
>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital.  But
>>>>>> Nancy
>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control.  Planned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>
>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>>
>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>>> they can't.
>>>>
>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>
>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>> was anticipated well before Jan 6.  Trump knew because he
>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>> would do that.  The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>
>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur.  Greg's right.
>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>> running again.  "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>> that.
>>
>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>> their cost.
>>
>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>>
> It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
> Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an
> antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.
>

Keyser S?ze <KeyserS繹ze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>> former>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testifi
ed about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>> including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election a
bout helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> Nove
mber 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>> like>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?>>>>>>>>>>>> ===>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>> now that>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>> just the>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we st
ill have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>> Oregon. No>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>> ran, barely>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>> that day>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>> Jan 6>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>>>> Nancy>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>>
Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly>>> they can't.>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.>>>>> > > The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainl
y proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > their cost.> > What a buffoon we have as POTUS.> It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:
> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS繹ze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>> former>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>> including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>> like>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?>>>>>>>>>>>> ===>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>> now that>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>> just the>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>> Oregon. No>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>> ran, barely>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>> that day>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>> Jan 6>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>>>> Nancy>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly>>> they can't.>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.>>>>> > > The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > their cost.> > What a buffoon we have as POTUS.> It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
>
> Well, that's not exactly the reaction I was shooting for. Instead
> of your stupid insults, I was hoping you'd feel contrite for all
> of the lies and hatefullness that your stubby little fingers have
> caused to show up on rec.boats over the 20 some odd years you
> have called this newsgroup home. At least when you call me names,
> I am assured you are paying attention and possibly taking my
> constructive critisism to heart. It's been my pleasure to assist
> you to stay in the spotlight. No need to thank me.

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> On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?ze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>> former>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Repr
esentatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>> including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she rece
ived a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn
," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>> like>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?>>>>>>>>>>>> ===>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>> now that>>>>>> numerous crimes were com
mitted after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>> just the>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>> Oregon. No>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>> ran, barely>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>> that day>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>> Jan 6>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>>>> Nancy>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T
hat is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly>>> they can't.>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.>>>>> > > The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White Ho
use and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > their cost.> > What a buffoon we have as POTUS.> It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *> > Well, that's not exactly the reaction I was shooting for. Instead> of your stupid insults, I was hoping you'd feel contrite for all> of the lies and hatefullness that your stubby little fingers have> caused to show up on rec.boats over the 20 some odd years you> have called this newsgroup home. At least when you call me names,> I am assured you are paying attention and possibly taking my> constructive critisism to heart. It's been my pleasure to assist> you to stay in the spotlight. No need to thank me.Mo, shot for brai
ns, I dismiss everything you post as the sharts of a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 11:51:34 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
> > On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>> former>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>> including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> ..... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google..com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>> like>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?>>>>>>>>>>>> ===>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>> now that>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>> just the>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>> Oregon. No>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>> ran, barely>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>> that day>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>> Jan 6>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>>>> Nancy>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly>>> they can't.>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.>>>>> > > The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > their cost.> > What a buffoon we have as POTUS.> It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *> > Well, that's not exactly the reaction I was shooting for. Instead> of your stupid insults, I was hoping you'd feel contrite for all> of the lies and hatefullness that your stubby little fingers have> caused to show up on rec.boats over the 20 some odd years you> have called this newsgroup home. At least when you call me names,> I am assured you are paying attention and possibly taking my> constructive critisism to heart. It's been my pleasure to assist> you to stay in the spotlight. No need to thank me.Mo, shot for brains, I dismiss everything you post as the sharts of a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
>
> Suit yourself Fat Harry. Remember, you are judged by the company
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> dummy.
>
> P.S. Good luck in your quest to lose 150 lbs. or so. Your heart,
> organs and especially your bones will thank you. You might even
> be less ugly under all that fat. Who knows.
> --
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> On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 11:51:34 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r > > On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>> former>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>>
Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>> including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>>
forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>> like>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?>>>>>>>>>>>> ===>>>>>>>>>>
>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>> now that>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>> just the>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>> Oregon. No>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>> ran, barely>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>> that day>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>> Jan 6>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>
>>> Nancy>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly>>> they can't.>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.>>>>> > > The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Gre
g's right.> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > their cost.> > What a buffoon we have as POTUS.> It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *> > Well, that's not exactly the reaction I was shooting for. Instead> of your stupid insults, I was hoping you'd feel contrite for all> of the lies and hatefullness that your stubby little fingers have> caused to show up on rec.boats over the 20 some odd years you> have called this newsgroup home. At least when you call me names,> I am assured you are paying attention and possibly taking my> constructive critisism to heart. It's been my pleasure to ass
ist> you to stay in the spotlight. No need to thank me.Mo, shot for brains, I dismiss everything you post as the sharts of a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... * > > Suit yourself Fat Harry. Remember, you are judged by the company > you keep. Thieves, Thugs, Unions, CNN, and Donnie the > dummy. > > P.S. Good luck in your quest to lose 150 lbs. or so. Your heart, > organs and especially your bones will thank you. You might even > be less ugly under all that fat. Who knows. > -- > lets go Brandon...> ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- > https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlThis is rich coming from a Jr member of the Turds Club that meet regularly in The John's toilet bowl.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:42:23 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),
> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
> >> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
> >> >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
> >> >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
> >> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
> >> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
> >> >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
> >> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
> >> >>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
> >> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
> >> >>> >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
> >> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
> >> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
> >> >>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
> >> >>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
> >> >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
> >> >>> >legitimate election victory.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
> >> >>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
> >> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
> >> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it..
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
> >> >>> >testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
> >> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
> >> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
> >> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
> >> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
> >> >>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
> >> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
> >> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
> >> >>> >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but ..... my
> >> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
> >> >>> >them in that role," she added.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
> >> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
> >> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
> >> >>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
> >> >>> >Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
> >> >>> >phone call.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
> >> >>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
> >> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
> >> >>> >others, Bowers said.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >For more:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >https://www.google.com/advanced_search
> >> >>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
> >> >>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
> >> >>> from running in 2024.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
> >> >>> on January 6.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
> >> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
> >> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
> >> >>> that are allowed to run?
> >> >>
> >> >>===
> >> >>
> >> >>I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
> >> >amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
> >> >
> >> >If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
> >> >do their job?
> >> >Have you seen an indictment?
> >> >I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
> >> >Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
> >> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
> >> >they might get.
> >> >We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
> >> >hacks who are in an election cycle?
> >> Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
> >
> >===
> >
> >The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes. Facing the threat of serious prison time, they may be offered immunity in exchange for testimony that incriminates Trump. Armed with that kind of evidence the DOJ might then be ready to bring charges against the orange menace. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.
> Holy shit! You won't answer the legitimate questions posed by either
> Greg or Bill, but it's obvious you've become entralled with the live
> action bullshit displayed by the one-sided hearing.
>
> Did Trump break a law? Why is the FBI not investigating such?

==
What makes you think that the FBI is not investigating? Laws were clearly broken but the DOJ does not want to pull the trigger until all their ducks are in a row. It's as simple as that.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:42:23 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),
> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
> >> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
> >> >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
> >> >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
> >> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
> >> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
> >> >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
> >> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
> >> >>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
> >> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
> >> >>> >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
> >> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
> >> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
> >> >>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
> >> >>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
> >> >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
> >> >>> >legitimate election victory.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
> >> >>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
> >> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
> >> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it..
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
> >> >>> >testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
> >> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
> >> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
> >> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
> >> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
> >> >>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
> >> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
> >> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
> >> >>> >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but ..... my
> >> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
> >> >>> >them in that role," she added.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
> >> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
> >> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
> >> >>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
> >> >>> >Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
> >> >>> >phone call.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
> >> >>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
> >> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
> >> >>> >others, Bowers said.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >For more:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >https://www.google.com/advanced_search
> >> >>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
> >> >>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
> >> >>> from running in 2024.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
> >> >>> on January 6.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
> >> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
> >> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
> >> >>> that are allowed to run?
> >> >>
> >> >>===
> >> >>
> >> >>I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
> >> >amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
> >> >
> >> >If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
> >> >do their job?
> >> >Have you seen an indictment?
> >> >I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
> >> >Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
> >> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
> >> >they might get.
> >> >We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
> >> >hacks who are in an election cycle?
> >> Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
> >
> >===
> >
> >The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes. Facing the threat of serious prison time, they may be offered immunity in exchange for testimony that incriminates Trump. Armed with that kind of evidence the DOJ might then be ready to bring charges against the orange menace. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.
> Holy shit! You won't answer the legitimate questions posed by either
> Greg or Bill, but it's obvious you've become entralled with the live
> action bullshit displayed by the one-sided hearing.
>
> Did Trump break a law? Why is the FBI not investigating such?

==
Trump campaign official subpoenaed by FBI appears to be at meeting of fake Arizona electors

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2022/06/23/fbi-subpoenas-thomas-lane-trump-campaign-arizona/7708133001/

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:07:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser  Soze
>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how
>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him
>>>>>>>>> overturn
>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election:
>>>>>>>>> Georgia
>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally
>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
>>>>>>>>> battleground
>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies,
>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
>>>>>>>>> effort but
>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
>>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative
>>>>>>>>> lawyer
>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the
>>>>>>>>> electors.
>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to
>>>>>>>>> video of
>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then
>>>>>>>>> proceeded
>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges
>>>>>>>>> that were
>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but
>>>>>>>>> .... my
>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were
>>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
>>>>>>>>> Trump and
>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
>>>>>>>>> November 22
>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
>>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to
>>>>>>>>> push him
>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop
>>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
>>>>>>>> failures
>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise.  It should be abundantly clear by
>>>>>>> now that
>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
>>>>>>> just the
>>>>>>> crimes on January 6.  And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what.  No amount of
>>>>>>> investigations
>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>> astounding.  Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
>>>>>>> office,
>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again?  I
>>>>>>> vote no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?   Seems as they just get
>>>>>> ignored.   Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
>>>>>> Oregon.  No
>>>>>> penalty.  Not even a hard hand slap.   Cities with more voters than
>>>>>> residents.   Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
>>>>>> ran, barely
>>>>>> won.   No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in
>>>>>> that day
>>>>>> also voting.   Used to be a time before registration and voting.
>>>>>> Jan 6
>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital.  But
>>>>>> Nancy
>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control.  Planned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>
>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>>
>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>>> they can't.
>>>>
>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>
>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>> was anticipated well before Jan 6.  Trump knew because he
>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>> would do that.  The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>
>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur.  Greg's right.
>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>> running again.  "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>> that.
>>
>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>> their cost.
>>
>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>>
>It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
>Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an
>antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:15:08 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 11:51:34 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
>> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
>> > On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>> former>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all
on
>the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies,
>>>>>>>>> including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that
>were>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers
>said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>> like>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?>>>>>>>>>>>> ===>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>> now that>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>> just the>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would
>do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>> Oregon. No>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>> ran, barely>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>> that day>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>> Jan 6>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But >>>>> Nancy>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly
>naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly>>> they can't.>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.>>>>> > > The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and
>Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > their cost.> > What a buffoon we have as POTUS.> It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *> > Well, that's not exactly the reaction I was shooting for. Instead> of your stupid insults, I was hoping you'd feel contrite for all> of the lies and
>hatefullness that your stubby little fingers have> caused to show up on rec.boats over the 20 some odd years you> have called this newsgroup home. At least when you call me names,> I am assured you are paying attention and possibly taking my> constructive critisism to heart. It's been my pleasure to assist> you to stay in the spotlight. No need to thank me.Mo, shot for brains, I dismiss everything you post as the sharts of a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
>>
>> Suit yourself Fat Harry. Remember, you are judged by the company
>> you keep. Thieves, Thugs, Unions, CNN, and Donnie the
>> dummy.
>>
>> P.S. Good luck in your quest to lose 150 lbs. or so. Your heart,
>> organs and especially your bones will thank you. You might even
>> be less ugly under all that fat. Who knows.
>> --
>> lets go Brandon...
>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
>> https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html
>
>
>This is rich coming from a Jr member of the Turds Club that meet regularly in The John's toilet bowl.

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:38:51 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
<me@yourservice.com> wrote:

>True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
>> On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 11:51:34 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r > > On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>> former>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the
2020
>presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to
>overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>> including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the
>importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but
>continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>>>>>> like>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?>>>>>>>>>>>> ===>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>> now that>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>> just the>>>>>> crimes on
January
>6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>> Oregon. No>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>> ran, barely>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>> that day>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>> Jan 6>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the
>Capital. But >>>>> Nancy>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly>>> they can't.>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.>>>>> > > The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the
>Capital.> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > their cost.> > What a buffoon we have as POTUS.> It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *> > Well, that's not exactly the
>reaction I was shooting for. Instead> of your stupid insults, I was hoping you'd feel contrite for all> of the lies and hatefullness that your stubby little fingers have> caused to show up on rec.boats over the 20 some odd years you> have called this newsgroup home. At least when you call me names,> I am assured you are paying attention and possibly taking my> constructive critisism to heart. It's been my pleasure to assist> you to stay in the spotlight. No need to thank me.Mo, shot for brains, I dismiss everything you post as the sharts of a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... * > > Suit yourself Fat Harry. Remember, you are judged by the company > you keep. Thieves, Thugs, Unions, CNN, and Donnie the > dummy. > > P.S. Good luck in your quest to lose 150 lbs. or so. Your heart, > organs and especially your bones will thank you. You might even > be less ugly under all that fat. Who knows. > -- > lets go Brandon...> ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- >
>https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlThis is rich coming from a Jr member of the Turds Club that meet regularly in The John's toilet bowl.
>
>Rich? How so?

Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
>> <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
>>>> Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>>
>>>> As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
>>>> government?
>>>
>>>
>>> No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
>>
>> They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
>> house and the speaker (the chain of command)
>> This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
>> officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
>> to sack the Capitol.
>> What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
>> A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
>> everyone in it.
>
> Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot
> those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist
> organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
> have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.
>