On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:

>On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>>>> they can't.
>>>>>
>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>>
>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>>> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
>>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>>> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>>
>>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
>>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>>> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>>> their cost.
>>>
>>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>>
>> If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
>> explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
>> place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
>> food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
>> If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
>> skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
>> to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
>> sales.
>>
>
>Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.

On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 09:50:17 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
<me@yourservice.com> wrote:

>"345...@gmail.com" <3452471@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 7:02:02 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: > >>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC),
Keyser Soze > >>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze > >>>>>>>>
<KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the > >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former > >>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn > >>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential
election. > >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were > >>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia > >>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and > >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. > >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their > >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would > >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral > >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from
Tuesday's hearing: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort > >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved > >>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground > >>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort
to
>overturn Biden's > >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including > >>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but > >>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President > >>>>>>>>>
himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, > >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer > >>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. > >>>>>>>>>
"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an > >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of > >>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded > >>>>>>>>> to talk about the
>importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather > >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were > >>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. > >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my > >>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign
did take the lead and we just were helping > >>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and > >>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put > >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >
>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on > >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 > >>>>>>>>> phone call. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what > >>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done
before
>but continued to push him > >>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and > >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> For more: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search > >>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 > >>>>>>>> investigation. It's
sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump > >>>>>>>> from running in 2024. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures > >>>>>>>> on January 6. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the > >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or
agree with you that we are going to be like > >>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates > >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> === > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that > >>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020
>election, and not just the > >>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump > >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do > >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations > >>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both
sad and > >>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, > >>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get > >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted
in Oregon. No > >>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than > >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely > >>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day > >>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >
>>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy > >>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the > >>>>> sworn testimony. > >>>> > >>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can
we blame this on Trump"? > >>>> > >>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they > >>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony) > >>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch > >>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly >
>>>> they can't. > >>>> > >>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to > >>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response. > >>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman. > >>>> > >>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> The whole thing ... the
>"rally" and the protest at the Capital > >> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he > >> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital. > >> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection > >> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > >> refused the
assistance. Why? > >> > >> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right. > >> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in > >> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from > >> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves > >> that. > >> > >> Meanwhile, this morning I see
the Ignoramus in Chief is not only > >> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going > >> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > >> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > >> their cost. > >> > >> What a buffoon we have as POTUS. > > > > If you actually talk
to the
>individual station owners they would > > explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first > > place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some > > food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made. > > If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card > > skimmers" or at
least the fear of them because more people go inside > > to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more > > sales. > >> Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon. But the Dems think any business is evil, and shouldn't make a profit.
>
>Which begs the question, "How did most of the Democrat politicians
> get so rich?". Graft and corruption perhaps?

On 6/24/2022 7:57 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>>>>> they can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>>>> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
>>>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>>>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>>>> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>>>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>>>
>>>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
>>>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>>>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>>>> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>>>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>>>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>>>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>>>> their cost.
>>>>
>>>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>>>
>>> If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
>>> explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
>>> place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
>>> food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
>>> If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
>>> skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
>>> to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
>>> sales.
>>>
>>
>> Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
>
> That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
> coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.

On 6/25/22 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> On 6/24/2022 7:57 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser  Soze
>>>>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee
>>>>>>>>>>>> investigating the
>>>>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about
>>>>>>>>>>>> how former
>>>>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him
>>>>>>>>>>>> overturn
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials
>>>>>>>>>>>> who were
>>>>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the
>>>>>>>>>>>> election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sterling and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Electoral
>>>>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally involved
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
>>>>>>>>>>>> battleground
>>>>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>> allies, including
>>>>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> effort but
>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
>>>>>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly
>>>>>>>>>>>> endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National
>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee,
>>>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>>>>> conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble
>>>>>>>>>>>> the electors.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called
>>>>>>>>>>>> you?" an
>>>>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to
>>>>>>>>>>>> video of
>>>>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who
>>>>>>>>>>>> then proceeded
>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign
>>>>>>>>>>>> gather
>>>>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal
>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges that were
>>>>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them
>>>>>>>>>>>> but .... my
>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just
>>>>>>>>>>>> were helping
>>>>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan
>>>>>>>>>>>> to put
>>>>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers
>>>>>>>>>>>> said on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> November 22
>>>>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to
>>>>>>>>>>>> push him
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eastman and
>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to
>>>>>>>>>>> stop Trump
>>>>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
>>>>>>>>>>> failures
>>>>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up
>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going
>>>>>>>>>>> to be like
>>>>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the
>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise.  It should be abundantly clear
>>>>>>>>>> by now that
>>>>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and
>>>>>>>>>> not just the
>>>>>>>>>> crimes on January 6.  And yet we still have millions of
>>>>>>>>>> adoring Trump
>>>>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero
>>>>>>>>>> would do
>>>>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what.  No amount of
>>>>>>>>>> investigations
>>>>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>>>>> astounding.  Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
>>>>>>>>>> office,
>>>>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run
>>>>>>>>>> again?  I vote no.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?   Seems as they
>>>>>>>>> just get
>>>>>>>>> ignored.   Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
>>>>>>>>> Oregon.  No
>>>>>>>>> penalty.  Not even a hard hand slap.   Cities with more voters
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> residents.   Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
>>>>>>>>> ran, barely
>>>>>>>>> won.   No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn
>>>>>>>>> in that day
>>>>>>>>> also voting.   Used to be a time before registration and
>>>>>>>>> voting.   Jan 6
>>>>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital.
>>>>>>>>> But Nancy
>>>>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control.  Planned?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on
>>>>>>> Trump"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative
>>>>>>> branch
>>>>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and
>>>>>>> clearly
>>>>>>> they can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>>>>> was anticipated well before Jan 6.  Trump knew because he
>>>>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>>>>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>>>>> would do that.  The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>>>>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur.  Greg's right.
>>>>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>>>>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>>>>> running again.  "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>>>>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>>>>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>>>>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>>>>> their cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>>>>
>>>> If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
>>>> explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
>>>> place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
>>>> food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
>>>> If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
>>>> skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
>>>> to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
>>>> sales.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
>>
>> That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
>> coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.
>
> When I was a kid working at a Shell station after school the
> concept of the station also being a "convenience" store didn't
> exist although I think we sold a limited selection of
> cigarettes.  Most profits came from auto repairs, tires, oil changes,
> and a small collection of used cars offered for sale.
>
> I worked for an old timer who owned the station. No "self serve".
> We pumped gas for every customer, cleaned their windshield and
> back window and always offered to "check under the hood".
>
> Those days don't exist anymore.
>

On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 07:13:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:

>On 6/24/2022 7:57 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>>>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>>>>>> they can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>>>>> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
>>>>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>>>>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>>>>> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>>>>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
>>>>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>>>>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>>>>> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>>>>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>>>>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>>>>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>>>>> their cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>>>>
>>>> If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
>>>> explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
>>>> place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
>>>> food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
>>>> If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
>>>> skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
>>>> to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
>>>> sales.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
>>
>> That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
>> coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.
>
>When I was a kid working at a Shell station after school the
>concept of the station also being a "convenience" store didn't
>exist although I think we sold a limited selection of
>cigarettes. Most profits came from auto repairs, tires, oil changes,
>and a small collection of used cars offered for sale.
>
>I worked for an old timer who owned the station. No "self serve".
>We pumped gas for every customer, cleaned their windshield and
>back window and always offered to "check under the hood".
>
>Those days don't exist anymore.

On 6/25/2022 12:20 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 07:13:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/24/2022 7:57 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>>>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>>>>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>>>>>>> they can't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>>>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>>>>>> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
>>>>>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>>>>>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>>>>>> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>>>>>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
>>>>>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>>>>>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>>>>>> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>>>>>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>>>>>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>>>>>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>>>>>> their cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
>>>>> explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
>>>>> place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
>>>>> food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
>>>>> If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
>>>>> skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
>>>>> to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
>>>>> sales.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
>>>
>>> That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
>>> coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.
>>
>> When I was a kid working at a Shell station after school the
>> concept of the station also being a "convenience" store didn't
>> exist although I think we sold a limited selection of
>> cigarettes. Most profits came from auto repairs, tires, oil changes,
>> and a small collection of used cars offered for sale.
>>
>> I worked for an old timer who owned the station. No "self serve".
>> We pumped gas for every customer, cleaned their windshield and
>> back window and always offered to "check under the hood".
>>
>> Those days don't exist anymore.
>

On 6/25/2022 9:01 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 6/25/22 7:13 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 6/24/2022 7:57 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 07:02:00 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser  Soze
>>>>>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> investigating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how former
>>>>>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> him overturn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officials who were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sterling and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Electoral
>>>>>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors
>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
>>>>>>>>>>>>> battleground
>>>>>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allies, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Committee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the electors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?" an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to video of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then proceeded
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign gather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges that were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but .... my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were helping
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan to put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> said on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> November 22
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
>>>>>>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to push him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eastman and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stop Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the failures
>>>>>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be like
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the
>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates
>>>>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise.  It should be abundantly clear
>>>>>>>>>>> by now that
>>>>>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and
>>>>>>>>>>> not just the
>>>>>>>>>>> crimes on January 6.  And yet we still have millions of
>>>>>>>>>>> adoring Trump
>>>>>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero
>>>>>>>>>>> would do
>>>>>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what.  No amount of
>>>>>>>>>>> investigations
>>>>>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>>>>>> astounding.  Should a person who has no regard for his oath
>>>>>>>>>>> of office,
>>>>>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run
>>>>>>>>>>> again?  I vote no.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?   Seems as they
>>>>>>>>>> just get
>>>>>>>>>> ignored.   Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
>>>>>>>>>> Oregon.  No
>>>>>>>>>> penalty.  Not even a hard hand slap.   Cities with more voters
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> residents.   Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she
>>>>>>>>>> first ran, barely
>>>>>>>>>> won.   No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn
>>>>>>>>>> in that day
>>>>>>>>>> also voting.   Used to be a time before registration and
>>>>>>>>>> voting.   Jan 6
>>>>>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital.
>>>>>>>>>> But Nancy
>>>>>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control.  Planned?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on
>>>>>>>> Trump"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>>>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>>>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative
>>>>>>>> branch
>>>>>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and
>>>>>>>> clearly
>>>>>>>> they can't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>>>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>>>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>>>>>> was anticipated well before Jan 6.  Trump knew because he
>>>>>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>>>>>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>>>>>> would do that.  The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy
>>>>>> Pelosi
>>>>>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur.  Greg's right.
>>>>>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>>>>>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>>>>>> running again.  "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>>>>>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>>>>>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>>>>>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas
>>>>>> prices to
>>>>>> their cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
>>>>> explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
>>>>> place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
>>>>> food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
>>>>> If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
>>>>> skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
>>>>> to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
>>>>> sales.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.
>>>
>>> That ends up being 20-30 cents per customer. They make more on the
>>> coffee. The cup and lid may be the most expensive part.
>>
>> When I was a kid working at a Shell station after school the
>> concept of the station also being a "convenience" store didn't
>> exist although I think we sold a limited selection of
>> cigarettes.  Most profits came from auto repairs, tires, oil changes,
>> and a small collection of used cars offered for sale.
>>
>> I worked for an old timer who owned the station. No "self serve".
>> We pumped gas for every customer, cleaned their windshield and
>> back window and always offered to "check under the hood".
>>
>> Those days don't exist anymore.
>>