On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 09:45:13 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:42:23 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),
>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT),
>> >> >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> >> >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>> >> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>> >> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>> >> >>> >the 2020 presidential election.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>> >> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>> >> >>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>> >> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>> >> >>> >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>> >> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>> >> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>> >> >>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>> >> >>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>> >> >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>> >> >>> >legitimate election victory.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>> >> >>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>> >> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>> >> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>> >> >>> >testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>> >> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>> >> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>> >> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>> >> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>> >> >>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>> >> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>> >> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>> >> >>> >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>> >> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>> >> >>> >them in that role," she added.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>> >> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>> >> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>> >> >>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>> >> >>> >Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>> >> >>> >phone call.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>> >> >>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>> >> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>> >> >>> >others, Bowers said.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >For more:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>> >> >>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>> >> >>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>> >> >>> from running in 2024.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>> >> >>> on January 6.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>> >> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>> >> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>> >> >>> that are allowed to run?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>===
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No
>> >> >amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>> >> >
>> >> >If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI
>> >> >do their job?
>> >> >Have you seen an indictment?
>> >> >I haven't, even with a partisan AG.
>> >> >Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the
>> >> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions
>> >> >they might get.
>> >> >We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political
>> >> >hacks who are in an election cycle?
>> >> Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure!
>> >
>> >===
>> >
>> >The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of the electoral college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes. Facing the threat of serious prison time, they may be offered immunity in exchange for testimony that incriminates Trump. Armed with that kind of evidence the DOJ might then be ready to bring charges against the orange menace. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.
>> Holy shit! You won't answer the legitimate questions posed by either
>> Greg or Bill, but it's obvious you've become entralled with the live
>> action bullshit displayed by the one-sided hearing.
>>
>> Did Trump break a law? Why is the FBI not investigating such?
>
>===
>
>Trump campaign official subpoenaed by FBI appears to be at meeting of fake Arizona electors
>
>https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2022/06/23/fbi-subpoenas-thomas-lane-trump-campaign-arizona/7708133001/

On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:

> Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:

I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
*demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.

--
* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

John H <jherring@cox.net> Wrote in message:r
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:38:51 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart<me@yourservice.com> wrote:>True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 11:51:34 UTC-3, Justan Ohlphart wrote:> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r > > On 6/23/22 10:09 AM, justan wrote:> Keyser S?ze <KeyserS?z...@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com >>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser S?ze>>>>>>> <KeyserS??z...@whitehouse.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how >>>>>>>> former>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him >>>>>>>> overturn>>>>>>>> the2020>presidential election.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured
testimony from three Republican officials who >>>>>>>> were>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: >>>>>>>> Georgia>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally >>>>>>>> involved>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key >>>>>>>> battleground>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to>overturn Biden's>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, >>>>>>>> including>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the >>>>>>>> effort but>>>>>>>> witnesses r
evealed new details Tuesday about how the former >>>>>>>> President>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative >>>>>>>> lawyer>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the >>>>>>>> electors.>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to >>>>>>>> video of>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then >>>>>>>> proceeded>>>>>>>> to talk about the>importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges >>>>>>>> that were>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but >>>>>>>> .... my>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were >>>>>>>> helping>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the
committee that he received a call from >>>>>>>> Trump and>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the >>>>>>>> November 22>>>>>>>> phone call.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani >>>>>>>> acknowledged what>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but>continued to >>>>>>>> push him>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop >>>>>>> Trump>>>>>>> from running in 2024.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the >>>>>>> failures>>>>>>> on January 6.>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be >>
>>>>> like>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?>>>>>>>>>>>> ===>>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by >>>>>> now that>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not >>>>>> just the>>>>>> crimes onJanuary>6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of >>>>>> investigations>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of >>>>>> office,>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I >>>>>> vote no.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in >>>>> Oregon. No>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first >>>>> ran, barely>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in >>>>> that day>>>>> also vo
ting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. >>>>> Jan 6>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the>Capital. But >>>>> Nancy>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the>>>> sworn testimony.>>>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?>>>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly>>> they can't.>>>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.>>>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.>>>>> > > The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the>Capital.> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection> would do that
. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > refused the assistance. Why?> > It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves> that.> > Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > their cost.> > What a buffoon we have as POTUS.> It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *> > Well, that's not exactly the>reaction I was shooting for. Instead> of your stupid insults, I was hoping you'd feel contrite for all> of the lies and hatefullness that your stubby little fingers have> caused to show up on rec.boats over the 20 some odd years you> have called this newsgroup home. At least when yo
u call me names,> I am assured you are paying attention and possibly taking my> constructive critisism to heart. It's been my pleasure to assist> you to stay in the spotlight. No need to thank me.Mo, shot for brains, I dismiss everything you post as the sharts of a moron.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... * > > Suit yourself Fat Harry. Remember, you are judged by the company > you keep. Thieves, Thugs, Unions, CNN, and Donnie the > dummy. > > P.S. Good luck in your quest to lose 150 lbs. or so. Your heart, > organs and especially your bones will thank you. You might even > be less ugly under all that fat. Who knows. > -- > lets go Brandon...> ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- >>https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.htmlThis is rich coming from a Jr member of the Turds Club that meet regularly in The John's toilet bowl.>>Rich? How so?Truthful and worthwhile is what he meant.

"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com>
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> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:42:23 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT),> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 1:47:19 PM UTC-4, John H wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 13:17:14 -0400, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> >On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT), > >> >"waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >>On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze > >> >>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> >Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the > >> >>> >January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former > >> >>> >President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn > >> >>> >the 2020 presidential election. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were > >> >>> >all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia > >> >>> >Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and > >> >>> >Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty
Bowers. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their > >> >>> >unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would > >> >>> >undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral > >> >>> >College with fake pro-Trump electors. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing: > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort > >> >>> >Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved > >> >>> >in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground > >> >>> >states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's > >> >>> >legitimate election victory. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including > >> >>> >his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but > >> >>> >witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President > >> >>> >himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, > >> >>> >testified that she received a call from Trump a
nd conservative lawyer > >> >>> >John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. > >> >>> >"In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an > >> >>> >investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of > >> >>> >her testimony played during the hearing. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >"Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded > >> >>> >to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather > >> >>> >these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were > >> >>> >ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. > >> >>> >"I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my > >> >>> >understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping > >> >>> >them in that role," she added. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and > >> >>> >Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put > >> >>> >forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. > >> >>> >"I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on > >> >>> >Tuesday, recalling what he told
Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 > >> >>> >phone call. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what > >> >>> >he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him > >> >>> >anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and > >> >>> >others, Bowers said. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >For more: > >> >>> > > >> >>> >https://www.google.com/advanced_search > >> >>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 > >> >>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump > >> >>> from running in 2024. > >> >>> > >> >>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures > >> >>> on January 6. > >> >>> > >> >>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the > >> >>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like > >> >>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates > >> >>> that are allowed to run? > >> >> > >> >>=== > >> >> > >> >>I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the crimes on January 6. An
d yet we still have millions of adoring Trump fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No > >> >amount of investigations or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. > >> > > >> >If there are crimes, why don't we get out of the way and let the FBI > >> >do their job? > >> >Have you seen an indictment? > >> >I haven't, even with a partisan AG. > >> >Having a partisan witch hunt where the democrats are able to taint the > >> >jury pool will only make it easier for Trump to appeal any convictions > >> >they might get. > >> >We have trained investigators, why is this in the hands of political > >> >hacks who are in an election cycle? > >> Wayne will have a unreasonable answer to each question, I am sure! > > > >=== > > > >The issues and crimes go well beyond the riot and invasion of the capitol. It seems very clear that there was an overall conspiracy by Trump, his lawyers and his staff to prevent the accurate tabulation, and subsequent certification, of
the electoral college vote. Not being privy to the thinking of the DOJ, I can only guess how they may proceed. Most likely in my opinion is that they will bring charges against Trump lawyers and staff that actively participated in schemes to flip electoral votes. Facing the threat of serious prison time, they may be offered immunity in exchange for testimony that incriminates Trump. Armed with that kind of evidence the DOJ might then be ready to bring charges against the orange menace. Stay tuned and pass the popcorn.> Holy shit! You won't answer the legitimate questions posed by either > Greg or Bill, but it's obvious you've become entralled with the live > action bullshit displayed by the one-sided hearing. > > Did Trump break a law? Why is the FBI not investigating such?===What makes you think that the FBI is not investigating? Laws were clearly broken but the DOJ does not want to pull the trigger until all their ducks are in a row. It's as simple as that.

Lets hope they are as sucessful lining up ducks as they were
during the Trump impeachments. Another big goose egg for the
Democrats. They are such a deserving bunch of idiots.
--
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Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> Wrote in message:r
> On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:> Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.-- * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

Maybe he doesn't care what you want.

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On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 15:51:37 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
>
> > Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
> > have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
> I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
> *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
> --
> * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

SNERK!
That JohnnyMop never learns. Who was it who said if you keep making the same demands over and over expecting a different result is insane? ;-)

On 6/23/22 3:25 PM, True North wrote:
> On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 15:51:37 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:
>> On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
>>
>>> Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
>>> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
>> I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
>> *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
>> --
>> * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
>
>
> SNERK!
> That JohnnyMop never learns. Who was it who said if you keep making the same demands over and over expecting a different result is insane? ;-)

Herring thinks he is a Oberstleutnant in the WWII German army.

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* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
>
>> Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
>> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
>
> I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
> *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
>
>

Mostly because it would require you to think and write, not copy and paste.

True North <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 15:51:37 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:
>> On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
>>
>>> Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
>>> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
>> I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
>> *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
>> --
>> * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
>
>
> SNERK!
> That JohnnyMop never learns. Who was it who said if you keep making the
> same demands over and over expecting a different result is insane? ;-)
>

Harry?

On 6/23/22 3:36 PM, Bill wrote:
> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
>>
>>> Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
>>> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
>>
>> I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
>> *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
>>
>>
>
> Mostly because it would require you to think and write, not copy and paste.
>

Wrong as usual, Bilious. Herring, like a few others here, is a
right-wing asshole and his opinions aren't worthy of serious
consideration.. ,
--
* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 14:51:33 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
>
>> Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
>> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
>
>I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
>*demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.

What 'demand'?

This fits you and Wayne very well:

https://kletische.com/people-dont-give-straight-answers/

....and Donnie!

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 12:25:14 -0700 (PDT), True North
<princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 15:51:37 UTC-3, Keyser Söze wrote:
>> On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
>>
>> > Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
>> > have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
>> I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
>> *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
>> --
>> * I just want to find 11,780 votes... *
>
>
>SNERK!
>That JohnnyMop never learns. Who was it who said if you keep making the same demands over and over expecting a different result is insane? ;-)

You too...

https://kletische.com/people-dont-give-straight-answers/

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:45:22 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 6/23/22 3:36 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/23/22 12:48 PM, John H wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who said anything about supporting Trump? You twist words so you don't
>>>> have to answer legitimate questions. Here, I'll repost:
>>>
>>> I've told you here in this forum many times I don't consider you or you
>>> *demands* for answers worthy of consideration. Nothing has changed.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Mostly because it would require you to think and write, not copy and paste.
>>
>
>Wrong as usual, Bilious. Herring, like a few others here, is a
>right-wing asshole and his opinions aren't worthy of serious
>consideration.. ,

I asked a question. Provided no opinion. This is you all over:

https://kletische.com/people-dont-give-straight-answers/

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:

>On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>
>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>
>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>> they can't.
>>>
>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>
>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>
>>
>
>
>The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
>authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>refused the assistance. Why?
>
>It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
>The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>that.
>
>Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>their cost.
>
>What a buffoon we have as POTUS.

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 07:55:48 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
>> <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
>>>> Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>>
>>>> As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
>>>> government?
>>>
>>>
>>> No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
>>
>> They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
>> house and the speaker (the chain of command)
>> This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
>> officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
>> to sack the Capitol.
>> What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
>> A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
>> everyone in it.
>
>Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot
>those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist
>organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
>have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:07:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser  Soze
>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how
>>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him
>>>>>>>>> overturn
>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election:
>>>>>>>>> Georgia
>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally
>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
>>>>>>>>> battleground
>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies,
>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
>>>>>>>>> effort but
>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
>>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative
>>>>>>>>> lawyer
>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the
>>>>>>>>> electors.
>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to
>>>>>>>>> video of
>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then
>>>>>>>>> proceeded
>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges
>>>>>>>>> that were
>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but
>>>>>>>>> .... my
>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were
>>>>>>>>> helping
>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
>>>>>>>>> Trump and
>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
>>>>>>>>> November 22
>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
>>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to
>>>>>>>>> push him
>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop
>>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
>>>>>>>> failures
>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise.  It should be abundantly clear by
>>>>>>> now that
>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
>>>>>>> just the
>>>>>>> crimes on January 6.  And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what.  No amount of
>>>>>>> investigations
>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>> astounding.  Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
>>>>>>> office,
>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again?  I
>>>>>>> vote no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated?   Seems as they just get
>>>>>> ignored.   Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
>>>>>> Oregon.  No
>>>>>> penalty.  Not even a hard hand slap.   Cities with more voters than
>>>>>> residents.   Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
>>>>>> ran, barely
>>>>>> won.   No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in
>>>>>> that day
>>>>>> also voting.   Used to be a time before registration and voting.
>>>>>> Jan 6
>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital.  But
>>>>>> Nancy
>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control.  Planned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>
>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>>
>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>>> they can't.
>>>>
>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>
>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>> was anticipated well before Jan 6.  Trump knew because he
>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>> would do that.  The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>
>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur.  Greg's right.
>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>> running again.  "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>> that.
>>
>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>> their cost.
>>
>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>>
>It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
>Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an
>antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:53:45 -0000 (UTC), Bill
<califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:

>Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
>>> <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
>>>>> Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>>>
>>>>> As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
>>>>> government?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
>>>
>>> They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
>>> house and the speaker (the chain of command)
>>> This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
>>> officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
>>> to sack the Capitol.
>>> What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
>>> A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
>>> everyone in it.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot
>> those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist
>> organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
>> have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.
>>
>
>And where was your support to shoot rioters in Santa Monica, Minneapolis,
>Portland, Etc.?

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:06:33 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:53:45 -0000 (UTC), Bill
> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >> On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
> >>> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
> >>>>> Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
> >>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
> >>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
> >>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
> >>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
> >>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
> >>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
> >>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
> >>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
> >>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
> >>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
> >>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
> >>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
> >>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
> >>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
> >>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
> >>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
> >>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
> >>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
> >>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
> >>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
> >>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
> >>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
> >>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
> >>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
> >>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
> >>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
> >>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
> >>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
> >>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
> >>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
> >>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
> >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
> >>>>>>>>>> phone call.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
> >>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
> >>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
> >>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For more:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
> >>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
> >>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
> >>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
> >>>>>>>>> on January 6.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
> >>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
> >>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
> >>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ===
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
> >>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
> >>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
> >>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
> >>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
> >>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
> >>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
> >>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
> >>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon.. No
> >>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
> >>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
> >>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
> >>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
> >>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
> >>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
> >>>>>> sworn testimony.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
> >>>>> government?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
> >>>
> >>> They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
> >>> house and the speaker (the chain of command)
> >>> This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
> >>> officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
> >>> to sack the Capitol.
> >>> What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
> >>> A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
> >>> everyone in it.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot
> >> those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist
> >> organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
> >> have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.
> >>
> >
> >And where was your support to shoot rioters in Santa Monica, Minneapolis,
> >Portland, Etc.?
> Michael Brown and Trayvonn Martin were certainly more of an imminent
> threat than Ashli Babbitt.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:02:08 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:07:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> >> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
> >>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
> >>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
> >>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
> >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how
> >>>>>>>>> former
> >>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him
> >>>>>>>>> overturn
> >>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who
> >>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election:
> >>>>>>>>> Georgia
> >>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
> >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
> >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
> >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
> >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
> >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally
> >>>>>>>>> involved
> >>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
> >>>>>>>>> battleground
> >>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
> >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies,
> >>>>>>>>> including
> >>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
> >>>>>>>>> effort but
> >>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
> >>>>>>>>> President
> >>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
> >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative
> >>>>>>>>> lawyer
> >>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the
> >>>>>>>>> electors.
> >>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
> >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to
> >>>>>>>>> video of
> >>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then
> >>>>>>>>> proceeded
> >>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
> >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges
> >>>>>>>>> that were
> >>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
> >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but
> >>>>>>>>> .... my
> >>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were
> >>>>>>>>> helping
> >>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
> >>>>>>>>> Trump and
> >>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
> >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
> >>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
> >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
> >>>>>>>>> November 22
> >>>>>>>>> phone call.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
> >>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
> >>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to
> >>>>>>>>> push him
> >>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
> >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> For more:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
> >>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
> >>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop
> >>>>>>>> Trump
> >>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
> >>>>>>>> failures
> >>>>>>>> on January 6.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
> >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be
> >>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
> >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ===
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by
> >>>>>>> now that
> >>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
> >>>>>>> just the
> >>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
> >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
> >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of
> >>>>>>> investigations
> >>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
> >>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
> >>>>>>> office,
> >>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I
> >>>>>>> vote no.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
> >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
> >>>>>> Oregon. No
> >>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
> >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
> >>>>>> ran, barely
> >>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in
> >>>>>> that day
> >>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting.
> >>>>>> Jan 6
> >>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But
> >>>>>> Nancy
> >>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
> >>>>> sworn testimony.
> >>>>
> >>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
> >>>>
> >>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
> >>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
> >>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
> >>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
> >>>> they can't.
> >>>>
> >>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
> >>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
> >>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
> >>>>
> >>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
> >> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
> >> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
> >> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
> >> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
> >> refused the assistance. Why?
> >>
> >> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
> >> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
> >> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
> >> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
> >> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
> >> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
> >> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
> >> their cost.
> >>
> >> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
> >>
> >It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
> >Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an
> >antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.
> I don't particularly support Trump but I do like the idea of someone
> outside of the same kabal of Remocrat/Depublicans that has driven the
> US from the richest country in the world to one on the verge of
> bankruptcy with runaway deficits and 25 years of flawed monetary
> policy that thinks you can simply "print" your way out of default.
> Personally I think Perot is the last candidate who actually tried to
> point out the problem, at a time when we might have actually been able
> to do something about it. Ross Perot and Harry Browne did get the
> debate to at least look at run away spending and the result lasted
> about 4 years.
> After that the powers that be made sure no more people questioning the
> status quo would ever be allowed to join the debates.
> In Clinton's second term the government started the sloppy government
> backed NINJA lending that caused the housing crash a decade later and
> GW's stupid wars that he didn't pay for ballooned the deficit. Obama
> decided we should just crank up the printing press and create money
> from thin air and he doubled down on Bush's wars.
> The main thing I credit Trump with is stopping the stupid wars but our
> fiscal policy is still a disaster that is rapidly approaching a cliff
> we may not be able to avoid.
>
> It might not matter tho. Joe is well on his way to causing a global
> nuclear war and that will end life as we know it.
>
> We are doing the same sort of embargoes on Russia as FDR did to Japan
> and you know how that worked out. The difference is nukes ended that
> war. They may start the next one.
>
> Sleep tight tho. Huntingtown is outside the immediate blast area
> unless they think Pax River Naval Command is worth a couple megatons.
> Radiation? Well that is another thing.

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:27:25 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:06:33 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:53:45 -0000 (UTC), Bill
>> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >> On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North
>> >>> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote:
>> >>>>> Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> >>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>> >>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>> >>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>> >>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>> >>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>> >>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>> >>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>> >>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>> >>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>> >>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>> >>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>> >>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>> >>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>> >>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>> >>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>> >>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>> >>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>> >>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>> >>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>> >>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>> >>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>> >>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>> >>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>> >>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>> >>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>> >>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>> >>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>> >>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>> >>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>> >>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>> >>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>> >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>> >>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>> >>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>> >>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>> >>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> For more:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>> >>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>> >>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>> >>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>> >>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>> >>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>> >>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>> >>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ===
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>> >>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>> >>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>> >>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>> >>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>> >>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>> >>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>> >>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>> >>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>> >>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>> >>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>> >>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>> >>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>> >>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>> >>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>> >>>>>> sworn testimony.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the
>> >>>>> government?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart.
>> >>>
>> >>> They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the
>> >>> house and the speaker (the chain of command)
>> >>> This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn
>> >>> officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able
>> >>> to sack the Capitol.
>> >>> What would have happened if we had a real enemy attack?
>> >>> A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with
>> >>> everyone in it.
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot
>> >> those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist
>> >> organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would
>> >> have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists.
>> >>
>> >
>> >And where was your support to shoot rioters in Santa Monica, Minneapolis,
>> >Portland, Etc.?
>> Michael Brown and Trayvonn Martin were certainly more of an imminent
>> threat than Ashli Babbitt.
>
>===
>
>Why all the sympathy for Ashli Babbitt? She was at the front of a mob that was trying to find and attack Mike Pence. She was shot by an armed guard who was hired to protect members of congress among other things. His actions were investigated and found to be within the scope of his responsibilities.

On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:31:08 -0700 (PDT),
"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:02:08 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 08:07:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >On 6/23/22 6:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> >> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>> >>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>> >>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> >>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>> >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how
>> >>>>>>>>> former
>> >>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him
>> >>>>>>>>> overturn
>> >>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who
>> >>>>>>>>> were
>> >>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election:
>> >>>>>>>>> Georgia
>> >>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>> >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>> >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>> >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>> >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>> >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally
>> >>>>>>>>> involved
>> >>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key
>> >>>>>>>>> battleground
>> >>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>> >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies,
>> >>>>>>>>> including
>> >>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the
>> >>>>>>>>> effort but
>> >>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former
>> >>>>>>>>> President
>> >>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>> >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative
>> >>>>>>>>> lawyer
>> >>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the
>> >>>>>>>>> electors.
>> >>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>> >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to
>> >>>>>>>>> video of
>> >>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then
>> >>>>>>>>> proceeded
>> >>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>> >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges
>> >>>>>>>>> that were
>> >>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>> >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but
>> >>>>>>>>> .... my
>> >>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were
>> >>>>>>>>> helping
>> >>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from
>> >>>>>>>>> Trump and
>> >>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>> >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>> >>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>> >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the
>> >>>>>>>>> November 22
>> >>>>>>>>> phone call.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani
>> >>>>>>>>> acknowledged what
>> >>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to
>> >>>>>>>>> push him
>> >>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>> >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> For more:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>> >>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>> >>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop
>> >>>>>>>> Trump
>> >>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the
>> >>>>>>>> failures
>> >>>>>>>> on January 6.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>> >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be
>> >>>>>>>> like
>> >>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>> >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ===
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by
>> >>>>>>> now that
>> >>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not
>> >>>>>>> just the
>> >>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>> >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>> >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of
>> >>>>>>> investigations
>> >>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>> >>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of
>> >>>>>>> office,
>> >>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I
>> >>>>>>> vote no.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>> >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in
>> >>>>>> Oregon. No
>> >>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>> >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first
>> >>>>>> ran, barely
>> >>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in
>> >>>>>> that day
>> >>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting.
>> >>>>>> Jan 6
>> >>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But
>> >>>>>> Nancy
>> >>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>> >>>>> sworn testimony.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>> >>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>> >>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>> >>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>> >>>> they can't.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>> >>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>> >>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>> >>>>
>> >>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>> >> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
>> >> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>> >> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>> >> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>> >> refused the assistance. Why?
>> >>
>> >> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
>> >> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>> >> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>> >> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>> >> that.
>> >>
>> >> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>> >> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>> >> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>> >> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>> >> their cost.
>> >>
>> >> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>> >>
>> >It is hard to believe that anyone as bright as you are still supports
>> >Trump. I understand Greg's support: he is, above all, an
>> >antiestablishmentarianist. Justan, of course, is a moron.
>> I don't particularly support Trump but I do like the idea of someone
>> outside of the same kabal of Remocrat/Depublicans that has driven the
>> US from the richest country in the world to one on the verge of
>> bankruptcy with runaway deficits and 25 years of flawed monetary
>> policy that thinks you can simply "print" your way out of default.
>> Personally I think Perot is the last candidate who actually tried to
>> point out the problem, at a time when we might have actually been able
>> to do something about it. Ross Perot and Harry Browne did get the
>> debate to at least look at run away spending and the result lasted
>> about 4 years.
>> After that the powers that be made sure no more people questioning the
>> status quo would ever be allowed to join the debates.
>> In Clinton's second term the government started the sloppy government
>> backed NINJA lending that caused the housing crash a decade later and
>> GW's stupid wars that he didn't pay for ballooned the deficit. Obama
>> decided we should just crank up the printing press and create money
>> from thin air and he doubled down on Bush's wars.
>> The main thing I credit Trump with is stopping the stupid wars but our
>> fiscal policy is still a disaster that is rapidly approaching a cliff
>> we may not be able to avoid.
>>
>> It might not matter tho. Joe is well on his way to causing a global
>> nuclear war and that will end life as we know it.
>>
>> We are doing the same sort of embargoes on Russia as FDR did to Japan
>> and you know how that worked out. The difference is nukes ended that
>> war. They may start the next one.
>>
>> Sleep tight tho. Huntingtown is outside the immediate blast area
>> unless they think Pax River Naval Command is worth a couple megatons.
>> Radiation? Well that is another thing.
>
>===
>
>You do Ross Perot a huge disservice by comparing him to Trump. Although far from perfect, he had a well developed sense of ethics and came by his wealth honestly.

On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bill <califbill9998remove8@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
>>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
>>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
>>>>>>>>> phone call.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
>>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
>>>>>>>> on January 6.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
>>>>> sworn testimony.
>>>>
>>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
>>>>
>>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
>>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
>>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
>>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
>>>> they can't.
>>>>
>>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
>>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
>>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
>>>>
>>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
>> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
>> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
>> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
>> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
>> refused the assistance. Why?
>>
>> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
>> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
>> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
>> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
>> that.
>>
>> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
>> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
>> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
>> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
>> their cost.
>>
>> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
>
> If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
> explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
> place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
> food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
> If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
> skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
> to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
> sales.
>

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 7:02:02 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
> >>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
> >>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
> >>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the
> >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former
> >>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn
> >>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were
> >>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia
> >>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and
> >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their
> >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would
> >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral
> >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort
> >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved
> >>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground
> >>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's
> >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including
> >>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but
> >>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President
> >>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee,
> >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer
> >>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors.
> >>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an
> >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of
> >>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded
> >>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather
> >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were
> >>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded.
> >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my
> >>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping
> >>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and
> >>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put
> >>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state.
> >>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on
> >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22
> >>>>>>>>> phone call.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what
> >>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him
> >>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and
> >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> For more:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search
> >>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6
> >>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump
> >>>>>>>> from running in 2024.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures
> >>>>>>>> on January 6.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the
> >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like
> >>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates
> >>>>>>>> that are allowed to run?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ===
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that
> >>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the
> >>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump
> >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do
> >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations
> >>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and
> >>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office,
> >>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get
> >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No
> >>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than
> >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely
> >>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day
> >>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6
> >>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy
> >>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That is incredibly naive…and you obviously have not watched any of the
> >>>>> sworn testimony.
> >>>>
> >>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"?
> >>>>
> >>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they
> >>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony)
> >>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch
> >>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly
> >>>> they can't.
> >>>>
> >>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to
> >>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response.
> >>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman.
> >>>>
> >>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital
> >> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he
> >> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital.
> >> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurrection
> >> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi
> >> refused the assistance. Why?
> >>
> >> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right.
> >> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in
> >> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from
> >> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only
> >> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going
> >> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now
> >> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to
> >> their cost.
> >>
> >> What a buffoon we have as POTUS.
> >
> > If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would
> > explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first
> > place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some
> > food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made.
> > If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card
> > skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside
> > to pay and any store owner will tell you more foot traffic means more
> > sales.
> >
> Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon.

gfretwell@aol.com Wrote in message:r
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:27:25 -0700 (PDT),"waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com" <wayne.beardsley@gmail.com> wrote:>On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:06:33 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:53:45 -0000 (UTC), Bill >> <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Keyser Söze <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >> >> On 6/22/22 1:33 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 08:22:16 -0700 (PDT), True North >> >>> <prince...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On Wednesday, 22 June 2022 at 11:17:43 UTC-3, Bill wrote: >> >>>>> Keyser Soze <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze >> >>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the >> >>>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former >> >>>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn >> >>>>>>>>>> the 2020 president
ial election. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were >> >>>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia >> >>>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and >> >>>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their >> >>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would >> >>>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral >> >>>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort >> >>>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved >> >>>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground >> >>>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's >> >>>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump a
llies, including >> >>>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but >> >>>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President >> >>>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, >> >>>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer >> >>>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. >> >>>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an >> >>>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of >> >>>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded >> >>>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather >> >>>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were >> >>>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. >> >>>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my >> >>>>>>>>>> unde
rstanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping >> >>>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and >> >>>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put >> >>>>>>>>>> forward illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. >> >>>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on >> >>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 >> >>>>>>>>>> phone call. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what >> >>>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him >> >>>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and >> >>>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> For more: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search >> >>>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 >> >>>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump >> >>>>>>>>> from running in 2024. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of a
nything coming out of there about the failures >> >>>>>>>>> on January 6. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the >> >>>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like >> >>>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates >> >>>>>>>>> that are allowed to run? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> === >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that >> >>>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the >> >>>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump >> >>>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do >> >>>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations >> >>>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and >> >>>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, >> >>>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get >> >>>>>>> ignored. Mayor of
a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No >> >>>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than >> >>>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely >> >>>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day >> >>>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 >> >>>>>>> was a demonstration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy >> >>>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the >> >>>>>> sworn testimony. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> As Greg pointed out. How was an unarmed mob going to bring down the >> >>>>> government? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> No one ever accused that motley crew of repugnants of being smart. >> >>> >> >>> They appeared to be smarter than the Cap Po, the Sgt of arms of the >> >>> house and the speaker (the chain of command) >> >>> This unarmed "motley crew" was capable of defeating 1800 sworn >> >>> officers in the Cap Po, who were armed to the teeth. That mob was able >> >>> to sack the Capitol. >> >>> What would have
happened if we had a real enemy attack? >> >>> A team of Mossad terrorists could have blown up the Capitol with >> >>> everyone in it. >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, the Capitol Police, but for one, were reluctant to shoot >> >> those who burst into the building. The Mossad is Israel's anti-terrorist >> >> organization. An appropriate group of Israeli uniformed forces would >> >> have dealt appropriately with the crazed Trumpists. >> >> >> > >> >And where was your support to shoot rioters in Santa Monica, Minneapolis, >> >Portland, Etc.?>> Michael Brown and Trayvonn Martin were certainly more of an imminent >> threat than Ashli Babbitt.>>===>>Why all the sympathy for Ashli Babbitt? She was at the front of a mob that was trying to find and attack Mike Pence. She was shot by an armed guard who was hired to protect members of congress among other things. His actions were investigated and found to be within the scope of his responsibilities.The whole thing was stupid. The lack of any real security allowedAshli Babbitt to be in a place she could be shot. It is like not putting a fence around a 250 megawatt 230 KV powerplant. Maybe you can't blame the transformer that killed her but you
shouldquestion the lack of security that allowed her to be there.

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> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 7:02:02 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:> On 6/23/2022 5:32 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:53:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 6/22/2022 6:23 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: > >>> <gfre...@aol.com> wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2022 11:36:59 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze > >>>> <keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Bill <califbill9...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 11:01:36 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022 17:10:52 -0400, Keyser Söze > >>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Today's hearing before the House select committee investigating the > >>>>>>>>> January 6 insurrection revealed new details Tuesday about how former > >>>>>>>>> President Donald Trump pressured state officials to help him overturn > >>>>>>>>> the 2020 presidential election. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The panel featured testimony from three Republican officials who were > >>>>>>>>> all on the receiving end of Trump's outreach after the election: Georgia > >>>>>>>>> Secretary of State Brad
Raffensperger, his deputy Gabe Sterling and > >>>>>>>>> Arizona House of Representatives Speaker Rusty Bowers. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Like previous hearings, these officials testified about their > >>>>>>>>> unwillingness to participate in legally dubious schemes that would > >>>>>>>>> undermine the election, including efforts to subvert the Electoral > >>>>>>>>> College with fake pro-Trump electors. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here are key takeaways from Tuesday's hearing: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Republican witnesses tie Trump directly to fake electors effort > >>>>>>>>> Multiple witnesses told the committee that Trump was personally involved > >>>>>>>>> in the effort to put forward slates of fake electors in key battleground > >>>>>>>>> states -- a key part of the broader effort to overturn Biden's > >>>>>>>>> legitimate election victory. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> CNN has previously reported on the role that key Trump allies, including > >>>>>>>>> his former attorney Rudy Giuliani, played in overseeing the effort but > >>>>>>>>> witnesses revealed new details Tuesday about how the former President > >>>>>>>>> himself was not only aware of the push, but seemingly endorsed it. > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, > >>>>>>>>> testified that she received a call from Trump and conservative lawyer > >>>>>>>>> John Eastman after the election about helping to assemble the electors. > >>>>>>>>> "In this effort, what did the President say when he called you?" an > >>>>>>>>> investigator with the committee asked McDaniel, according to video of > >>>>>>>>> her testimony played during the hearing. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> "Essentially, he turned the call over to Mr. Eastman, who then proceeded > >>>>>>>>> to talk about the importance of the RNC helping the campaign gather > >>>>>>>>> these contingent electors in case any of the legal challenges that were > >>>>>>>>> ongoing change the result of any dates," McDaniel responded. > >>>>>>>>> "I think more just helping them reach out and assemble them but .... my > >>>>>>>>> understanding is the campaign did take the lead and we just were helping > >>>>>>>>> them in that role," she added. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Bowers also told the committee that he received a call from Trump and > >>>>>>>>> Giuliani during which they urged him to go along with a plan to put > >>>>>>>>> forwa
rd illegitimate, pro-Trump electors from the state. > >>>>>>>>> "I told them I did not want to be used as a pawn," Bowers said on > >>>>>>>>> Tuesday, recalling what he told Giuliani and Trump on the November 22 > >>>>>>>>> phone call. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The Arizona House speaker also testified that Giuliani acknowledged what > >>>>>>>>> he was proposing had never been done before but continued to push him > >>>>>>>>> anyway. That also came up in other conversations with Eastman and > >>>>>>>>> others, Bowers said. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> For more: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/advanced_search > >>>>>>>> When are you folks going to admit this isn't a January 6 > >>>>>>>> investigation. It's sole purpose is to try to find a way to stop Trump > >>>>>>>> from running in 2024. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I haven't seen much of anything coming out of there about the failures > >>>>>>>> on January 6. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I ask you the same thing I asked Wayne. Shouldn't that be up to the > >>>>>>>> voters in the primaries or agree with you that we are going to be like > >>>>>>>> the Soviets where the party in power gets to choose the candidates > >>>>>>>> that are allow
ed to run? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> === > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I disagree with your premise. It should be abundantly clear by now that > >>>>>>> numerous crimes were committed after the 2020 election, and not just the > >>>>>>> crimes on January 6. And yet we still have millions of adoring Trump > >>>>>>> fans who can not bring themselves to believe that their hero would do > >>>>>>> such a thing, and even if he did, so what. No amount of investigations > >>>>>>> or facts will ever persuade them, and I find that both sad and > >>>>>>> astounding. Should a person who has no regard for his oath of office, > >>>>>>> the constitution, and the rule of law be allowed to run again? I vote no. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What about the real voter frauds perpetrated? Seems as they just get > >>>>>> ignored. Mayor of a Northern California city also voted in Oregon. No > >>>>>> penalty. Not even a hard hand slap. Cities with more voters than > >>>>>> residents. Congresswoman Sanchez of California when she first ran, barely > >>>>>> won. No questions about the bus loads of new citizens sworn in that day > >>>>>> also voting. Used to be a time before registration and voting. Jan 6 > >>>>>> was a demon
stration, just like lots of others in the Capital. But Nancy > >>>>>> and the Legislature let it get out of control. Planned? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> That is incredibly naive?and you obviously have not watched any of the > >>>>> sworn testimony. > >>>> > >>>> Everything I have seen is basically "How can we blame this on Trump"? > >>>> > >>>> This is certainly available on the net, you tell me, where did they > >>>> address the security failures? (day and time of that testimony) > >>>> They can't blame that on the executive branch. The legislative branch > >>>> has insisted that they can handle security at the Capitol and clearly > >>>> they can't. > >>>> > >>>> This whole thing should have been stopped long before anyone got to > >>>> the building. they had almost a month to plan a response. > >>>> Their response was to shoot an unarmed woman. > >>>> > >>> You are blaming the victims for the crimes. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> The whole thing ... the "rally" and the protest at the Capital > >> was anticipated well before Jan 6. Trump knew because he > >> authorized National Guard troops to help protect the Capital. > >> I don't think someone intent on a successful insurre
ction > >> would do that. The Democrats, including the DC mayor and Nancy Pelosi > >> refused the assistance. Why? > >> > >> It's as if many *wanted* an incident to occur. Greg's right. > >> The Democrats are scrambling due to the Ignoramus they put in > >> the White House and will do *anything* to keep Trump from > >> running again. "Russia, Russia, Russia" certainly proves > >> that. > >> > >> Meanwhile, this morning I see the Ignoramus in Chief is not only > >> continuing his blame game on Big Oil, (although he's going > >> to skip the meeting that was scheduled with them today) he's now > >> demanding that individual gas station owners lower their gas prices to > >> their cost. > >> > >> What a buffoon we have as POTUS. > > > > If you actually talk to the individual station owners they would > > explain they don't make that much money on gasoline in the first > > place. It is just to get you into the mini mart so you can buy some > > food, cigarettes or beer, where the profit is really made. > > If I was a suspicious man, I would say they don't mind "credit card > > skimmers" or at least the fear of them because more people go inside > > to pay and any store owner will tell yo
u more foot traffic means more > > sales. > >> Gas station owners make 2-3 cents per gallon. But the Dems think any business is evil, and shouldn't make a profit.