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Re: So 2022 F1?

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From: nop...@nope.com (Alan)
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Subject: Re: So 2022 F1?
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 09:17:36 -0800
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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 17:17 UTC

On 2022-02-09 4:41 a.m., Calum wrote:
> On 07/02/2022 23:52, Alan wrote:
>
>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
>> never do is race.
>
> Well, they do in rallycross.

True.

It wasn't what was being discussed, but still true.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 17:18 UTC

On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> geoff wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for
>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
>>>>>>>>>> now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>
>>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
>>>>> “position”, which is what they are interested in.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
>>>> car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>
>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
>>> a race against the clock.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
>> that context matters.
>>
>>
>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
>> forms for reasons of safety.
>>
>> Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
>> the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
>> not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
>> level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
>> for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
>
> We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?

I'm a certified senior instructor.

>
> "There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC."
>
> You don't even realise that you keep contradicting yourself, do you.
>

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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 17:19 UTC

On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
>>>>>>>>> effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
>>>>>>>>> F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
>>>>>>>> When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
>>>>>>>> more of the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
>>>>>>> Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>> The "race" against the clock.
>>>
>>> Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
>> word is being used.
>>
>
> Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
>
> A race is a contest of speed.

Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.

>
> You have yet to provide any cite... just stupid assertions that have
> painted you into a corner.
>
>> 'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
>> used in its literal sense.'
>>
>>
> <https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>
>>
>> Once again, I understand something you don't.
>
> Once again you claim to understand something you don't.

LOL

>
>>
>> You must be very accustomed to that by now.
>
> Nope.

Don't worry. You're getting there.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 17:20 UTC

On 2022-02-09 5:46 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-02-08 5:56 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the
>>>>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
>>>>>>>> When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo.
>>>>>>> Also using new cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
>>>>>> never do is race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>
>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”, which is
>>> what they are interested in.
>>>
>>
>> "Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only "position" does.
>>
>
> I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word is being
> used :-)
>

Except "time" is being used literally.

😜

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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 17:21 UTC

On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
>>>>>>>>> When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the
>>>>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
>>>>>>>> Carlo.
>>>>>>>> Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
>>>>>>> never do is race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>
>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”,
>>>> which is
>>>> what they are interested in.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with
>>> overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
>>
>> Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
>>
>> 😎
>>
>
> In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of “race”:
>
> “RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, etc. to see
> which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No requirement for them to
> do it simultaneously.
>
> “RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is fastest at
> covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
>

Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for words
within a specific context often vary from the general.

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On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:18:58 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> I'm a certified senior instructor.

you are a certified fucking idiot

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On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:21:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for words
> within a specific context often vary from the general.

lol

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 by: Bigbird - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 19:32 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-09 5:46 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> >Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > On 2022-02-08 5:56 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
> > > > > > > > > > the effect of the of the various rule changes for
> > > > > > > > > > the 2022 F1 season.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
> > > > > > > > > now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
> > > > > > > > > forward to more of the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
> > > > > > > > in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
> > > > > > > thing rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for position.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > >
> > > > And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
> > > > “position”, which is what they are interested in.
> > > >
> > >
> > > "Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only
> > > "position" does.
> > >
> >
> > I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word is
> > being used :-)
> >
>
> Except "time" is being used literally.
>

LO Fucking L

Like you use "race", you moron.

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Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> >Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts
> > > > > > > > > > > on the effect of the
> > > > > > > > > > > of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
> > > > > > > > > > > season.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
> > > > > > > > > > for now. When the new season starts I'll be
> > > > > > > > > > looking forward to more of the same.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
> > > > > > > > > began in Monte Carlo.
> > > > > > > > > Also using new cars.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
> > > > > > > > thing rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for position.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
> > > > > “position”, which is
> > > > > what they are interested in.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
> > > > car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
> > >
> > > Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
> > >
> > > 😎
> > >
> >
> > In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of
> > “race”:
> >
> > “RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
> > etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No
> > requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
> >
> > “RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
> > fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
> >
>
> Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for
> words within a specific context often vary from the general.

No,

those are *literal* definitions.

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Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > geoff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but you
> > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on the effect of the of the various
> > > > > > > > > > > > rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
> > > > > > > > > > > for now. When the new season starts I'll be
> > > > > > > > > > > looking forward to more of the same.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
> > > > > > > > > > began in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
> > > > > > > > > WRC.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
> > > > > > > > > thing rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for position.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
> > > > > > “position”, which is what they are interested in.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
> > > > > car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it's a different form of racing.
> > > >
> > > > Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see;
> > > > it's a race against the clock.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
> > > that context matters.
> > >
> > >
> > > In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
> > > other forms for reasons of safety.
> > >
> > > Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
> > > against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
> > > rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
> > > rules for the level of safety equipment are different than they
> > > are for those used for the very same cars if they are competing
> > > in an ACTUAL race.
> >
> > We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
>
> Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?
>
> I'm a certified senior instructor.
>

The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT provide a
cite to support your non-literal assertion.

>
> >
> > "There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC."
> >
> > You don't even realise that you keep contradicting yourself, do you.
> >

Your lack of response is unsurprising.

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 by: Bigbird - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 19:40 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
> > > > > > > > > > the effect of the of the various rule changes for
> > > > > > > > > > the 2022 F1 season.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
> > > > > > > > > now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
> > > > > > > > > forward to more of the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
> > > > > > > > in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
> > > > > > > rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for position.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope.
> > > > >
> > > > > The "race" against the clock.
> > > >
> > > > Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
> > > word is being used.
> > >
> >
> > Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
> >
> > A race is a contest of speed.
>
> Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
>

Sounds like backtracking to me.

What a word "literally" means does not change.

What you are doing here is called backpedaling... you are a true
backpedal racer.

> >
> > You have yet to provide any cite... just stupid assertions that have
> > painted you into a corner.
> >
> > > 'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not
> > > being used in its literal sense.'
> > >
> > >
> >
<https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>
> > >
> > > Once again, I understand something you don't.
> >
> > Once again you claim to understand something you don't.
>
> LOL
>

YAWN!

> >
> > >
> > > You must be very accustomed to that by now.
> >
> > Nope.
>
> Don't worry. You're getting there.

Double YAWN!

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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 20:33 UTC

On 2022-02-09 11:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the effect of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
>>>>>>>>>>>> season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
>>>>>>>>>>> for now. When the new season starts I'll be
>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
>>>>>>>>>> began in Monte Carlo.
>>>>>>>>>> Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
>>>>>>>>> thing rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
>>>>>> “position”, which is
>>>>>> what they are interested in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
>>>>> car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
>>>>
>>>> 😎
>>>>
>>>
>>> In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of
>>> “race”:
>>>
>>> “RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
>>> etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No
>>> requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
>>>
>>> “RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
>>> fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
>>>
>>
>> Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for
>> words within a specific context often vary from the general.
>
> No,
>
> those are *literal* definitions.
>

Yes. Literal, *general* definitions.

Very good.

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On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 1:33:08 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Yes. Literal, *general* definitions.
>
> Very good.

fuck off asswipe

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 by: Bigbird - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:39 UTC

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-09 11:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5,
> > > > > > > > > > > fnot wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on the effect of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > season.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the world is
> > > > > > > > > > > > paused for now. When the new season starts
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
> > > > > > > > > > > began in Monte Carlo.
> > > > > > > > > > > Also using new cars.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
> > > > > > > > > > WRC.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
> > > > > > > > > > thing rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for position.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
> > > > > > > “position”, which is
> > > > > > > what they are interested in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
> > > > > > car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
> > > > > > etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
> > > > >
> > > > > 😎
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of
> > > > “race”:
> > > >
> >>> “RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
> > > > etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No
> > > > requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
> > > >
> > > > “RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
> > > > fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for
> > > words within a specific context often vary from the general.
> >
> > No,
> >
> > those are literal definitions.
> >
>
> Yes. Literal, general definitions.
>

Backpedal as hard as you like; you are just making a fool of yourself.

Perhaps if, when you decided to be a pompous arsehole, you had said
"technically" instead of "literally" you may have had a platform from
which to make your pompous case, one which you have failed to do,
unable to cite anything to support your pompous assertions. You didn't
and don't.

You done fucked up you pompous ass.

> Very good.

/thumbs up/

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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:44 UTC

On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for
>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
>>>>>>>>>> now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "race" against the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
>>>> word is being used.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
>>>
>>> A race is a contest of speed.
>>
>> Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
>>
>
> Sounds like backtracking to me.
>
> What a word "literally" means does not change.

What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes around
"literally" because they're not appropriate in this context) does change
with context.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:45 UTC

On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the effect of the of the various
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
>>>>>>>>>>>> for now. When the new season starts I'll be
>>>>>>>>>>>> looking forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
>>>>>>>>>>> began in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
>>>>>>>>>> WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
>>>>>>>>>> thing rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
>>>>>>> “position”, which is what they are interested in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
>>>>>> car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see;
>>>>> it's a race against the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
>>>> that context matters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
>>>> other forms for reasons of safety.
>>>>
>>>> Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
>>>> against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
>>>> rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
>>>> rules for the level of safety equipment are different than they
>>>> are for those used for the very same cars if they are competing
>>>> in an ACTUAL race.
>>>
>>> We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
>>
>> Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?
>>
>> I'm a certified senior instructor.
>>
>
> The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT provide a
> cite to support your non-literal assertion.

Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
actual racing vs time attack?

Yes or no.

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 by: texas gate - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:47 UTC

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:45:18 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
> actual racing vs time attack?

seems you know fuck all
just a trolling dumb cunt

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 by: texas gate - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:54 UTC

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:44:03 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> notice that I don't use the quotes

you are fucking dumb cunt
notice that

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 by: geoff - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 22:17 UTC

On 9/02/2022 11:50 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
>>>>>>>>> effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
>>>>>>>>> season.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
>>>>>>>> When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
>>>>>>>> the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
>>>>>>> Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
>>>>>> cars never do is race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>> The "race" against the clock.
>>>
>>> Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
>>>
>>
>> Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word
>> is being used.
>>
>> 'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
>> used in its literal sense.'
>>
>> <https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>
>>
> Punctuation is a very slippery slope, especially between Americans and
> Brits. Our conventions differ in many ways.
>

Not to mention spelling, pronunciation, tense, number, grammar, and
total misuse of words.

The one that amuses the the most is the likes of "Please do this
already !". An apparent anomaly in the time-space continuum ...

geoff

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 by: geoff - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 22:20 UTC

On 10/02/2022 2:57 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
>>>>>>>>> When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the
>>>>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
>>>>>>>> Carlo.
>>>>>>>> Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
>>>>>>> never do is race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>
>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top “position”,
>>>> which is
>>>> what they are interested in.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with
>>> overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
>>
>> Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
>>
>> 😎
>>
>
> In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of “race”:
>
> “RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, etc. to see
> which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No requirement for them to
> do it simultaneously.
>
> “RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is fastest at
> covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
>

I have a great idea for F1. Would solve the problem of cars impeding
each other (etc).

Race the one at a time against the clock.

geoff

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 by: geoff - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 22:21 UTC

On 10/02/2022 6:18 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
>>>>>>>>>>> now.  When the new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo.  Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
>>>>>> “position”, which is what they are interested in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
>>>>> car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>>
>>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
>>>> a race against the clock.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
>>> that context matters.
>>>
>>>
>>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
>>> forms for reasons of safety.
>>>
>>> Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
>>> the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
>>> not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
>>> level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
>>> for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
>>
>> We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
>
> Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?
>
> I'm a certified senior instructor.

You instruct 'seniors' ?

geoff

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 by: geoff - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 22:22 UTC

On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
>>>>>>>>>>> now.  When the new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo.  Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "race" against the clock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
>>>>> word is being used.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
>>>>
>>>> A race is a contest of speed.
>>>
>>> Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like backtracking to me.
>>
>> What a word "literally" means does not change.
>
> What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes around
> "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context) does change
> with context.

My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.

geoff

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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 22:25 UTC

On 2022-02-09 2:21 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 6:18 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
>>>>>>>>>>>> now.  When the new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
>>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo.  Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
>>>>>>> “position”, which is what they are interested in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
>>>>>> car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
>>>>> a race against the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
>>>> that context matters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
>>>> forms for reasons of safety.
>>>>
>>>> Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
>>>> the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
>>>> not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
>>>> level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
>>>> for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
>>>
>>> We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
>>
>> Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?
>>
>> I'm a certified senior instructor.
>
> You instruct 'seniors' ?

Sometimes... 😎

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 by: Alan - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 22:26 UTC

On 2022-02-09 2:22 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
>>>>>>>>>>>> now.  When the new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
>>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo.  Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "race" against the clock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
>>>>>> word is being used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> A race is a contest of speed.
>>>>
>>>> Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like backtracking to me.
>>>
>>> What a word "literally" means does not change.
>>
>> What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes around
>> "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context) does
>> change with context.
>
> My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.

Then don't read it.

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On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Then don't read it.

fuck you
you piece of shit

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