On 10/02/2022 11:26 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-02-09 2:22 p.m., geoff wrote:
>> On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.  When the new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
>>>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo.  Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The "race" against the clock.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
>>>>>>> word is being used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A race is a contest of speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like backtracking to me.
>>>>
>>>> What a word "literally" means does not change.
>>>
>>> What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes
>>> around "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context)
>>> does change with context.
>>
>> My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.
>
> Then don't read it.

Sorry to have to explain this, but the comment is a parody on the common
misuse of words. I thought it may have been obvious.

geoff

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:26:01 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Sometimes...

go fuck yourself asshole

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

> Sorry to have to explain this

sorry is for pussys
you fucking pussy

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Then don't read it.

you fucking useless trolling cunt

On 2022-02-09 2:33 p.m., geoff wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 11:26 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-02-09 2:22 p.m., geoff wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.  When the new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo.  Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
>>>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "race" against the clock.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
>>>>>>>> word is being used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A race is a contest of speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like backtracking to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a word "literally" means does not change.
>>>>
>>>> What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes
>>>> around "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context)
>>>> does change with context.
>>>
>>> My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.
>>
>> Then don't read it.
>
>
> Sorry to have to explain this, but the comment is a parody on the common
> misuse of words. I thought it may have been obvious.

Ah...

Yes, in hindsight, it was right there in the open, wasn't it?

🤣

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:51:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Ah...

wft? fuck off asshole

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:51:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Ah...

is that the sound you make during anal sex?

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:41:57 PM UTC-7, texas gate wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:51:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
>
> > Ah...

> is that the sound you make during anal sex?

gay anal sex of course

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:51:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Yes, in hindsight, it was right there in the open, wasn't it?

you fucking faggot

geoff wrote:

> On 10/02/2022 2:57 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
> > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts
> > > > > > > > > > > on the effect of the
> > > > > > > > > > > of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
> > > > > > > > > > > season.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
> > > > > > > > > > for now. When the new season starts I'll be
> > > > > > > > > > looking forward to more of the same.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
> > > > > > > > > began in Monte Carlo.
> > > > > > > > > Also using new cars.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
> > > > > > > > thing rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for position.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
> > > > > “position”, which is
> > > > > what they are interested in.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
> > > > car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
> > >
> > > Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.
> > >
> > > 😎
> > >
> >
> > In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of
> > “race”:
> >
> > “RACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
> > etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.” No
> > requirement for them to do it simultaneously.
> >
> > “RACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
> > fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.”
> >
>
> I have a great idea for F1. Would solve the problem of cars impeding
> each other (etc).
>
> Race the one at a time against the clock.
>
> geoff

They tried that once... it wasn't "a great idea", sorry.

:-)

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Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > geoff wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5,
> > > > > > > > > > > > fnot wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on the effect of the of the various
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the world is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > paused for now. When the new season starts
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
> > > > > > > > > > > > cars.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
> > > > > > > > > > > WRC.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the
> > > > > > > > > > > one thing rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for position.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
> > > > > > > > “position”, which is what they are interested in.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
> > > > > > > car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
> > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, it's a different form of racing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you
> > > > > > see; it's a race against the clock.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
> > > > > get is that context matters.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
> > > > > other forms for reasons of safety.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
> > > > > against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
> > > > > rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact,
> > > > > the rules for the level of safety equipment are different
> > > > > than they are for those used for the very same cars if they
> > > > > are competing in an ACTUAL race.
> > > >
> > > > We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
> > >
> > > Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
> > > racing?
> > >
> > > I'm a certified senior instructor.
> > >
> >
> > The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
> > provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
>
> Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
> actual racing vs time attack?
>
> Yes or no.

No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

Yes or no?

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On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the effect of the of the various
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paused for now. When the new season starts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>> season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the
>>>>>>>>>>>> one thing rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the top
>>>>>>>>> “position”, which is what they are interested in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
>>>>>>>> car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you
>>>>>>> see; it's a race against the clock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
>>>>>> get is that context matters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
>>>>>> other forms for reasons of safety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
>>>>>> against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
>>>>>> rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact,
>>>>>> the rules for the level of safety equipment are different
>>>>>> than they are for those used for the very same cars if they
>>>>>> are competing in an ACTUAL race.
>>>>>
>>>>> We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
>>>>
>>>> Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
>>>> racing?
>>>>
>>>> I'm a certified senior instructor.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
>>> provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
>>
>> Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
>> actual racing vs time attack?
>>
>> Yes or no.
>
> No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not
"racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
rules differentiate between racing and time attack.

>
> Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

I can't find the rules cite at the moment...

....but I've been at the track for pretty much every racing weekend for
the the last 10 years. And all one has to do is look inside a time
attack car on pregrid to see that it doesn't have to have a full roll cage.

>
> Yes or no?
>

On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
>>> provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
>> Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
>> actual racing vs time attack?
>>
>> Yes or no.
> No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
>
> Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

Found it:

'To qualify as eligible to participate in a Time Attack event, each
vehicle must comply with the following minimum requirements:

i. It must have four road wheels, not in a line, a minimum of two of
which must be driven.

ii. It must have a braking system that works on all four wheels
simultaneously.

iii. It must have a structure and bodywork that surrounds and protects
the driver, at least to his waist level when seated in his normal
driving position.'

<https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2021-CACC-Time-Attack-Regulations.pdf>

Now: do you accept that that is very different than rules for a road car
which has been prepared to be legal for actual road RACING?

Yes or no.

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 12:34:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> I've been at the track for pretty much every racing weekend for
> the the last 10 years.

and your head punched in 10 times
thats why you are so fucking stupid now

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > geoff wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > UTC-5, fnot wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on the effect of the of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various rule changes for the 2022 F1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > season.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the world is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paused for now. When the new season
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts I'll be looking forward to more of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cars.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the WRC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying it--but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the one thing rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for position.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the
> > > > > > > > > > top “position”, which is what they are interested
> > > > > > > > > > in.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
> > > > > > > > > other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
> > > > > > > > > weaving, dodging, etc.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, it's a different form of racing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes
> > > > > > > > you see; it's a race against the clock.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
> > > > > > > get is that context matters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing
> > > > > > > and other forms for reasons of safety.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
> > > > > > > "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
> > > > > > > wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
> > > > > > > because of that fact, the rules for the level of safety
> > > > > > > equipment are different than they are for those used for
> > > > > > > the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
> > > > > > > race.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
> > > > > racing?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a certified senior instructor.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
> > > > provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
> > >
> > > Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules
> > > for actual racing vs time attack?
> > >
> > > Yes or no.
> >
> > No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
>
> So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not
> "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
> rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
>

No.

This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one common
to the context.

> >
> > Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
>
> I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
>

LOL.

I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some rules
that are not common reference.

The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.

The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the word
"race".

> >
> > Yes or no?
> >

A resounding NO!

Not Surprised!

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Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > geoff wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > UTC-5, fnot wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts on the effect of the of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various rule changes for the 2022 F1
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > season.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the world is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paused for now. When the new season
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > starts I'll be looking forward to more of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cars.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the WRC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying it--but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the one thing rally cars never do is race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for position.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the
> > > > > > > > > > top “position”, which is what they are interested
> > > > > > > > > > in.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
> > > > > > > > > other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
> > > > > > > > > weaving, dodging, etc.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, it's a different form of racing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes
> > > > > > > > you see; it's a race against the clock.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
> > > > > > > get is that context matters.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing
> > > > > > > and other forms for reasons of safety.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
> > > > > > > "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
> > > > > > > wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
> > > > > > > because of that fact, the rules for the level of safety
> > > > > > > equipment are different than they are for those used for
> > > > > > > the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
> > > > > > > race.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
> > > > > racing?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a certified senior instructor.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
> > > > provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
> > >
> > > Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules
> > > for actual racing vs time attack?
> > >
> > > Yes or no.
> >
> > No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
>
> So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not
> "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
> rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
>
> >
> > Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
>
> I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
>
> ...but I've been at the track for pretty much every racing weekend
> for the the last 10 years. And all one has to do is look inside a
> time attack car on pregrid to see that it doesn't have to have a full
> roll cage.
>
> >
> > Yes or no?
> >

Don't say I never helped you:

literal
/ˈlɪt(ə)r(ə)l/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
1.
taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or
exaggeration.
"dreadful in its literal sense, full of dread"
2.
(of a translation) representing the exact words of the original text.
"a literal translation from the Spanish"

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On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-5, fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the effect of the of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various rule changes for the 2022 F1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the world is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paused for now. When the new season
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starts I'll be looking forward to more of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying it--but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the one thing rally cars never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC surely?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets the
>>>>>>>>>>> top “position”, which is what they are interested
>>>>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
>>>>>>>>>> other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
>>>>>>>>>> weaving, dodging, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes
>>>>>>>>> you see; it's a race against the clock.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
>>>>>>>> get is that context matters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing
>>>>>>>> and other forms for reasons of safety.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
>>>>>>>> "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
>>>>>>>> wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
>>>>>>>> because of that fact, the rules for the level of safety
>>>>>>>> equipment are different than they are for those used for
>>>>>>>> the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
>>>>>>>> race.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
>>>>>> racing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a certified senior instructor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
>>>>> provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
>>>>
>>>> Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules
>>>> for actual racing vs time attack?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no.
>>>
>>> No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
>>
>> So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not
>> "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
>> rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
>>
>
> No.
>
> This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one common
> to the context.
>
>>>
>>> Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
>>
>> I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
>>
>
> LOL.
>
> I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some rules
> that are not common reference.
>
> The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
>
> They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
>
> The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
> relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the word
> "race".
>
>>>
>>> Yes or no?
>>>
>
> A resounding NO!
>
> Not Surprised!
>

And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
relevant citation.

Not surprised!

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:31:48 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
> relevant citation.
>
> Not surprised!

you stupid cunt

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:31:48 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> Not surprised!

you were not surprised
you never got your head punched in
at your last visit to the track

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:31:48 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> you fail to respond to my additional reply

you fag fuck pussy queer

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:31:48 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

> And you fail to respond to my additional reply

oh poor fucking you
get over it
you dumb cunt
you have no credibility here

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > geoff wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > UTC-5, fnot wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you thoughts on the effect of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the various rule changes for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2022 F1 season.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world is paused for now. When the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new season starts I'll be looking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forward to more of the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. Also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using new cars.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing" at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all in the WRC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it--but the one thing rally cars never do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > position.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > surely?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > And the car that achieves the best “time” gets
> > > > > > > > > > > > the top “position”, which is what they are
> > > > > > > > > > > > interested in.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
> > > > > > > > > > > other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
> > > > > > > > > > > weaving, dodging, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's a different form of racing.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
> > > > > > > > > > passes you see; it's a race against the clock.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
> > > > > > > > > seem to get is that context matters.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
> > > > > > > > > racing and other forms for reasons of safety.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
> > > > > > > > > "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
> > > > > > > > > wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE.
> > > > > > > > > And because of that fact, the rules for the level of
> > > > > > > > > safety equipment are different than they are for
> > > > > > > > > those used for the very same cars if they are
> > > > > > > > > competing in an ACTUAL race.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are
> > > > > > > for racing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm a certified senior instructor.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
> > > > > > provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the
> > > > > rules for actual racing vs time attack?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes or no.
> > > >
> > > > No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
> > >
> > > So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or
> > > not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the
> > > safety rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
> > >
> >
> > No.
> >
> > This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
> > common to the context.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
> > >
> > > I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
> > >
> >
> > LOL.
> >
> > I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
> > rules that are not common reference.
> >
> > The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
> >
> > They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
> >
> > The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
> > relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
> > word "race".
> >

On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-5, fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you thoughts on the effect of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world is paused for now. When the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing" at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it--but the one thing rally cars never do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time” gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the top “position”, which is what they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
>>>>>>>>>>>> other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
>>>>>>>>>>>> weaving, dodging, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
>>>>>>>>>>> passes you see; it's a race against the clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
>>>>>>>>>> seem to get is that context matters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
>>>>>>>>>> racing and other forms for reasons of safety.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
>>>>>>>>>> "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
>>>>>>>>>> wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE.
>>>>>>>>>> And because of that fact, the rules for the level of
>>>>>>>>>> safety equipment are different than they are for
>>>>>>>>>> those used for the very same cars if they are
>>>>>>>>>> competing in an ACTUAL race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are
>>>>>>>> for racing?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm a certified senior instructor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
>>>>>>> provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the
>>>>>> rules for actual racing vs time attack?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?
>>>>
>>>> So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or
>>>> not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the
>>>> safety rules differentiate between racing and time attack.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
>>> common to the context.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
>>>>
>>>> I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL.
>>>
>>> I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
>>> rules that are not common reference.
>>>
>>> The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
>>>
>>> They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.
>>>
>>> The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
>>> relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
>>> word "race".
>>>
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
> READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>
>>>
>>> A resounding NO!
>>>
>>> Not Surprised!
>>>
>>
>> And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
>> relevant citation.
>>
>
> I did respond.

Alan wrote:

> On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > Alan wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > Alan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Alan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > geoff wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not looking for finishing order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but you thoughts on the effect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the of the various rule
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes for the 2022 F1 season.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best four wheel racing in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world is paused for now. When the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new season starts I'll be looking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forward to more of the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best four wheel racing is WRC and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 2022 season began in Monte
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlo. Also using new cars.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is quite literally no "racing"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at all in the WRC.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > None.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is very cool--there's not denying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it--but the one thing rally cars
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never do is race.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Racing happens when cars compete for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > position.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cars “compete for position” in the WRC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surely?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, they compete for 'time'.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the car that achieves the best “time”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gets the top “position”, which is what they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are interested in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As opposed to on-track racing, direct against
> > > > > > > > > > > > > each other car-to-car with overtaking,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's a different form of racing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
> > > > > > > > > > > > passes you see; it's a race against the clock.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
> > > > > > > > > > > seem to get is that context matters.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
> > > > > > > > > > > racing and other forms for reasons of safety.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Cars that come out to the track for time attack
> > > > > > > > > > > are "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in
> > > > > > > > > > > your class wins. But by the rules they are not
> > > > > > > > > > > allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
> > > > > > > > > > > rules for the level of safety equipment are
> > > > > > > > > > > different than they are for those used for the
> > > > > > > > > > > very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
> > > > > > > > > > > race.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules
> > > > > > > > > are for racing?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm a certified senior instructor.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
> > > > > > > > you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
> > > > > > > > assertion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know
> > > > > > > the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes or no.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
> > > > > > deflecting?
> > > > >
> > > > > So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
> > > > > whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports
> > > > > terms that the safety rules differentiate between racing and
> > > > > time attack.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
> > > > common to the context.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > LOL.
> > > >
> > > > I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
> > > > rules that are not common reference.
> > > >
> > > > The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
> > > >
> > > > They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
> > > > words.
> > > >
> > > > The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
> > > > relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of
> > > > the word "race".
> > > >
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >
> > READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
> >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes or no?
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > A resounding NO!
> > > >
> > > > Not Surprised!
> > > >
> > >
> > > And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
> > > relevant citation.
> > >
> >
> > I did respond.
>
> You did not respond to the post I made that included the very sources
> you asked for.

On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not looking for finishing order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but you thoughts on the effect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the of the various rule
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes for the 2022 F1 season.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best four wheel racing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world is paused for now. When the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new season starts I'll be looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward to more of the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best four wheel racing is WRC and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 season began in Monte
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carlo. Also using new cars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is quite literally no "racing"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at all in the WRC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is very cool--there's not denying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it--but the one thing rally cars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never do is race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Racing happens when cars compete for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cars “compete for position” in the WRC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, they compete for 'time'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the car that achieves the best “time”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets the top “position”, which is what they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are interested in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to on-track racing, direct against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each other car-to-car with overtaking,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a different form of racing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> passes you see; it's a race against the clock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to get is that context matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
>>>>>>>>>>>> racing and other forms for reasons of safety.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cars that come out to the track for time attack
>>>>>>>>>>>> are "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in
>>>>>>>>>>>> your class wins. But by the rules they are not
>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rules for the level of safety equipment are
>>>>>>>>>>>> different than they are for those used for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> race.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules
>>>>>>>>>> are for racing?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm a certified senior instructor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
>>>>>>>>> you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
>>>>>>>>> assertion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know
>>>>>>>> the rules for actual racing vs time attack?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
>>>>>>> deflecting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
>>>>>> whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports
>>>>>> terms that the safety rules differentiate between racing and
>>>>>> time attack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
>>>>> common to the context.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it because you cannot provide a cite?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't find the rules cite at the moment...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
>>>>> rules that are not common reference.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
>>>>> words.
>>>>>
>>>>> The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
>>>>> relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of
>>>>> the word "race".
>>>>>
>>>
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>>
>>> READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes or no?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A resounding NO!
>>>>>
>>>>> Not Surprised!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
>>>> relevant citation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I did respond.
>>
>> You did not respond to the post I made that included the very sources
>> you asked for.
>
> I responded above, in this branch.
>