El miércoles, 1 de septiembre de 2021 a las 12:04:39 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> On Wednesday, 1 September 2021 at 18:15:37 UTC+1, Juan B wrote:
> > Hi team
> >
> > I'd like to thank you all for your amazing work.
> >
> > In my case, I got some information from Spanish newspapers. Not very productive, to be honest. :/
> >
> > I am trying to contribute as much as I can. Working in this project for a long time ago, not easy to get the non-used substitutes at any specific match. You all know what I am talking about.
> >
> > My question: how are you doing with those matches from WC USA 94 to more recent ones? I think that all reserves are eligible to play at any match except those that are suspended / injured.
> >
> > ROM: Ion Vlădoiu was sent off in the match SWI-ROM and suspended for 3 matches. Unfortunately, I don't find any source or any official information in the following matches that is not included him on the bench. It happens the same with Maradona after the match against Greece, etc.
> >
> > How are you doing with this cases? Did you find any official resource or any newspaper which shows exactly who was in the bench at every single WC match?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> Juan
>
> I don't think any newspapers or magazines would have printed that kind of information (waste of column inches probably).
>
> The best information I can find is from the website https://millingsteins..com/ which has this kind of information in each match (for example, Leonardo [BRA] being banned for the remainder of the World Cup after being sent off against USA in the Round of 16 - he actually received a 4 match international ban and Effenberg [GER] being sent home after gesturing to the crowd when being substituted in the group match against South Korea and thus missing the knockout games against Belgium and Bulgaria)
>
> Regards
>
> Steve

Juan,

For World Cups from 2002 to 2018 you can use the Official Fifa Reports located in their website. For 1994 and 1998, these same reports are not as useful. I would recommend following Steve's approach for these two World Cups.

I am positive that there was a statistical report for 1994 that lists this kind of info and which is separate from the Official Report. However, I have been unable to locate this report.

Thank you for your replies.

I am doing the same for UEFA EURO. Is any of you in this task too?

From EURO 1988 to EURO 2020, the official site uefa.com shows exactly who was in the bench at any specific match.

El miércoles, 1 de septiembre de 2021 a las 22:36:39 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> Thank you for your replies.
>
> I am doing the same for UEFA EURO. Is any of you in this task too?
>
> From EURO 1988 to EURO 2020, the official site uefa.com shows exactly who was in the bench at any specific match.

Team,

We are about to hit a deadend, whereby progress will be very slow on the last couple of games we have to go.

I think that El Gráfico for 1970, El Corriere dello Sport 1974 and 1978 and L'Equipe for 1970, 74 and 78 could be our safest bets. I have not found good archives for none of the three. I will try and develop contacts with people with access to them.

On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 5:50:02 PM UTC-4, Laura Camacho wrote:
> El domingo, 29 de agosto de 2021 a las 15:56:56 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> Today I checked in some old Mexican, Italian and Swedish newspapers but nothing new came of it. Any ideas on where else we can look?

Sweden-Israel 1970 is a historic match in Israeli football, as Spiegler's equalizer in the 56th minute is still to date Israel's only ever goal in a WC finals tournament. I've tried to look on various Israeli websites, but the best I could find was this report from Yediot Achronot:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lu3d4hl1d0v81tz/mon14.jpg_wa.jpg?raw=1

There is a box-score at the bottom. Unfortunately, though, it is barely legible, and I am pretty sure that it only lists the players who actually were on the pitch.

Sorry :-(

On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:40:28 UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 5:50:02 PM UTC-4, Laura Camacho wrote:
> > El domingo, 29 de agosto de 2021 a las 15:56:56 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> > Today I checked in some old Mexican, Italian and Swedish newspapers but nothing new came of it. Any ideas on where else we can look?
> Sweden-Israel 1970 is a historic match in Israeli football, as Spiegler's equalizer in the 56th minute is still to date Israel's only ever goal in a WC finals tournament. I've tried to look on various Israeli websites, but the best I could find was this report from Yediot Achronot:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lu3d4hl1d0v81tz/mon14.jpg_wa.jpg?raw=1
>
> There is a box-score at the bottom. Unfortunately, though, it is barely legible, and I am pretty sure that it only lists the players who actually were on the pitch.
>
> Sorry :-(

Laura

I have to agree. I will see if I can find anyone who may have access to the publications you mention to see if we can find anything else.

Futbolmetrix: Great find, but I agree with you that the box score only lists the players who actually appeared on the pitch (I have a friend who can read/speak hebrew and from what they can ascertain from the image, there are only 12 names for Israel mentioned).

Regards

Steve

El domingo, 5 de septiembre de 2021 a las 12:56:26 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> On Friday, 3 September 2021 at 17:40:28 UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
> > On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 5:50:02 PM UTC-4, Laura Camacho wrote:
> > > El domingo, 29 de agosto de 2021 a las 15:56:56 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> > > Today I checked in some old Mexican, Italian and Swedish newspapers but nothing new came of it. Any ideas on where else we can look?
> > Sweden-Israel 1970 is a historic match in Israeli football, as Spiegler's equalizer in the 56th minute is still to date Israel's only ever goal in a WC finals tournament. I've tried to look on various Israeli websites, but the best I could find was this report from Yediot Achronot:
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/lu3d4hl1d0v81tz/mon14.jpg_wa.jpg?raw=1
> >
> > There is a box-score at the bottom. Unfortunately, though, it is barely legible, and I am pretty sure that it only lists the players who actually were on the pitch.
> >
> > Sorry :-(
> Laura
>
> I have to agree. I will see if I can find anyone who may have access to the publications you mention to see if we can find anything else.
>
> Futbolmetrix: Great find, but I agree with you that the box score only lists the players who actually appeared on the pitch (I have a friend who can read/speak hebrew and from what they can ascertain from the image, there are only 12 names for Israel mentioned).
>
> Regards
>
> Steve

Team,

I just found the following for 1978:

GER TUN
Zimmermann Sassi S
Konopka Aziza A
Beer Karoui
Holzenbein Mouza
Burdenski Hasni

On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 21:15:05 UTC+1, Laura Camacho wrote:
> Team,
>
> I just found the following for 1978:
>
> GER TUN
> Zimmermann Sassi S
> Konopka Aziza A
> Beer Karoui
> Holzenbein Mouza
> Burdenski Hasni

Laura

Great find - that's one more crossed off the list.

I've email FIFA directly to see if they can hep out, but judging by their reply, they don't seem to understand the concept of 'Unused Substitute'!!!

I've sent a reply back to try and make it more clearer to them.

Regards

Steve

On Tuesday, 7 September 2021 at 11:11:41 UTC+1, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 21:15:05 UTC+1, Laura Camacho wrote:
> > Team,
> >
> > I just found the following for 1978:
> >
> > GER TUN
> > Zimmermann Sassi S
> > Konopka Aziza A
> > Beer Karoui
> > Holzenbein Mouza
> > Burdenski Hasni
> Laura
>
> Great find - that's one more crossed off the list.
>
> I've email FIFA directly to see if they can hep out, but judging by their reply, they don't seem to understand the concept of 'Unused Substitute'!!!
>
> I've sent a reply back to try and make it more clearer to them.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve

Team

Another one found from 1974

YUG ZAI
[4] Muzinic [7] Tshnabu
[12] Jerkovic [12] Ndimbi
[13] Pavlovic [14] Maku
[18] Karasi [15] Kibonge
[22] Meskovic [18] Mavuba

I have managed to find that in the East Germany v Australia match from 1974, three of the five East German substitutes were [9] Ducke, [19] Seguin and [20] Hoffman.

From British newspaper reports I have found, there is a suggestion that Yugoslavia remained unchanged (starting XI and substitutes) in their next match against Scotland but I still need to confirm that.

This now leaves us with just 20 matches in the list from a starting point of 81 matches - a fantastic effort I'm sure you would agree.

The remaining matches are:

1970 (4 matches)
Group One: Belgium v El Salvador; Soviet Union v Belgium
Group Two: Sweden v Israel (Israel only)
Group Three: Romania v Czechoslovakia

1974 (13 matches)
Group One: East Germany v Australia; Australia v Chile
Group Two: Scotland v Brazil (Brazil only); Scotland v Yugoslavia (Yugoslavia only)
Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay; Bulgaria v Netherlands (Bulgaria only)
Group Four: Poland v Argentina; Argentina v Haiti; Poland v Italy (Poland only)

SF Group A: Brazil v East Germany; Argentina v East Germany (East Germany only); Netherlands v Brazil (Brazil only)
SF Group B: Yugoslavia v West Germany

1978 (3 matches)
Group Two: West Germany v Mexico
Group Four: Netherlands v Iran (Netherlands only)

SF Group B: Brazil v Peru (Peru only)

Regards

Steve

El martes, 7 de septiembre de 2021 a las 6:13:28 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> On Tuesday, 7 September 2021 at 11:11:41 UTC+1, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> > On Monday, 6 September 2021 at 21:15:05 UTC+1, Laura Camacho wrote:
> > > Team,
> > >
> > > I just found the following for 1978:
> > >
> > > GER TUN
> > > Zimmermann Sassi S
> > > Konopka Aziza A
> > > Beer Karoui
> > > Holzenbein Mouza
> > > Burdenski Hasni
> > Laura
> >
> > Great find - that's one more crossed off the list.
> >
> > I've email FIFA directly to see if they can hep out, but judging by their reply, they don't seem to understand the concept of 'Unused Substitute'!!!
> >
> > I've sent a reply back to try and make it more clearer to them.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Steve
> Team
>
> Another one found from 1974
>
> YUG ZAI
> [4] Muzinic [7] Tshnabu
> [12] Jerkovic [12] Ndimbi
> [13] Pavlovic [14] Maku
> [18] Karasi [15] Kibonge
> [22] Meskovic [18] Mavuba
>
> I have managed to find that in the East Germany v Australia match from 1974, three of the five East German substitutes were [9] Ducke, [19] Seguin and [20] Hoffman.
>
> From British newspaper reports I have found, there is a suggestion that Yugoslavia remained unchanged (starting XI and substitutes) in their next match against Scotland but I still need to confirm that.
>
> This now leaves us with just 20 matches in the list from a starting point of 81 matches - a fantastic effort I'm sure you would agree.
>
> The remaining matches are:
> 1970 (4 matches)
> Group One: Belgium v El Salvador; Soviet Union v Belgium
> Group Two: Sweden v Israel (Israel only)
> Group Three: Romania v Czechoslovakia
> 1974 (13 matches)
> Group One: East Germany v Australia; Australia v Chile
> Group Two: Scotland v Brazil (Brazil only); Scotland v Yugoslavia (Yugoslavia only)
> Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay; Bulgaria v Netherlands (Bulgaria only)
> Group Four: Poland v Argentina; Argentina v Haiti; Poland v Italy (Poland only)
>
> SF Group A: Brazil v East Germany; Argentina v East Germany (East Germany only); Netherlands v Brazil (Brazil only)
> SF Group B: Yugoslavia v West Germany
> 1978 (3 matches)
> Group Two: West Germany v Mexico
> Group Four: Netherlands v Iran (Netherlands only)
> SF Group B: Brazil v Peru (Peru only)
> Regards
>
> Steve

Steve,

I have experienced the same thing you mention in the case for FIFA. Out of the members of the RSSSF, I have contacted a few regarding our research and a few of them come back to me with the entire list of 11 reserves and not the required five.

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:13:28 PM UTC+2, Steve Flanagan wrote:
>
> 1978 (3 matches)
> Group Two: West Germany v Mexico

If this source is to be believed:

https://books.google.at/books?hl=de&id=Xp0NAAAAYAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=burdenski

West Germany: Konopka, Beer, Cullmann, Hölzenbein, Burdenski (GK)
Mexico: Gómez, Flores, Rodríguez (+ 2 subs, Soto (GK) and Lugo)

Looks realistic to me, at least for the Germans.

Ciao,
Werner

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:13:28 PM UTC+2, Steve Flanagan wrote:
>
> 1978 (3 matches)
> Group Two: West Germany v Mexico
> Group Four: Netherlands v Iran (Netherlands only)

Same source:
https://books.google.at/books?hl=de&id=Xp0NAAAAYAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22lubse+y+jan%22

Piet Schrijvers (GK), Jan Poortvliet, Harry Lubse, Jan Boskamp, (Dick Nanninga subbed in)

Ciao,
Werner

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:19:47 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:13:28 PM UTC+2, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> >
> > 1978 (3 matches)
> > Group Two: West Germany v Mexico
> > Group Four: Netherlands v Iran (Netherlands only)
>
> Same source:
> https://books.google.at/books?hl=de&id=Xp0NAAAAYAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22lubse+y+jan%22
>
> Piet Schrijvers (GK), Jan Poortvliet, Harry Lubse, Jan Boskamp, (Dick Nanninga subbed in)

Confirmed by this newspaper snippet (top right)
https://leiden.courant.nu/issue/LD/1978-06-03/edition/0/page/11

Ciao,
Werner

On Tuesday, 7 September 2021 at 15:41:51 UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:19:47 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:13:28 PM UTC+2, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> > >
> > > 1978 (3 matches)
> > > Group Two: West Germany v Mexico
> > > Group Four: Netherlands v Iran (Netherlands only)
> >
> > Same source:
> > https://books.google.at/books?hl=de&id=Xp0NAAAAYAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22lubse+y+jan%22
> >
> > Piet Schrijvers (GK), Jan Poortvliet, Harry Lubse, Jan Boskamp, (Dick Nanninga subbed in)
> Confirmed by this newspaper snippet (top right)
> https://leiden.courant.nu/issue/LD/1978-06-03/edition/0/page/11
>
> Ciao,
> Werner
Werner

Great find. Sorry my mistake that should have said "Netherlands v Iran (Iran only)"

Unfortunately the snippet search doesn't go down as far as the Iran substitutes - unless I'm searching incorrectly (which is very possible!) - or the Peru substitutes against Brazil.

It would be great if we could find an online copy somewhere.

From what else I've seen I would say that we can believe this source as I haven't found any other errors in the list of substitutes I can find when searching this book, and the substitutes we have already.

Regards

Steve

El martes, 7 de septiembre de 2021 a las 9:02:44 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> On Tuesday, 7 September 2021 at 15:41:51 UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 4:19:47 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:13:28 PM UTC+2, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 1978 (3 matches)
> > > > Group Two: West Germany v Mexico
> > > > Group Four: Netherlands v Iran (Netherlands only)
> > >
> > > Same source:
> > > https://books.google.at/books?hl=de&id=Xp0NAAAAYAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22lubse+y+jan%22
> > >
> > > Piet Schrijvers (GK), Jan Poortvliet, Harry Lubse, Jan Boskamp, (Dick Nanninga subbed in)
> > Confirmed by this newspaper snippet (top right)
> > https://leiden.courant.nu/issue/LD/1978-06-03/edition/0/page/11
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Werner
> Werner
>
> Great find. Sorry my mistake that should have said "Netherlands v Iran (Iran only)"
>
> Unfortunately the snippet search doesn't go down as far as the Iran substitutes - unless I'm searching incorrectly (which is very possible!) - or the Peru substitutes against Brazil.
>
> It would be great if we could find an online copy somewhere.
>
> From what else I've seen I would say that we can believe this source as I haven't found any other errors in the list of substitutes I can find when searching this book, and the substitutes we have already.
>
> Regards
>
> Steve

I have some contacts in Argentina. Let me check with them.

On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:13:28 PM UTC+2, Steve Flanagan wrote:
>
> This now leaves us with just 20 matches in the list from a starting point of 81 matches - a fantastic effort I'm sure you would agree.
>
> 1974 (13 matches)
> Group One: East Germany v Australia; Australia v Chile
> Group Two: Scotland v Brazil (Brazil only); Scotland v Yugoslavia (Yugoslavia only)
> Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay; Bulgaria v Netherlands (Bulgaria only)
> Group Four: Poland v Argentina; Argentina v Haiti; Poland v Italy (Poland only)
>
> SF Group A: Brazil v East Germany; Argentina v East Germany (East Germany only); Netherlands v Brazil (Brazil only)
> SF Group B: Yugoslavia v West Germany

All those unresolved GDR matches from 1974 bugged me. A lot of Eastern German stuff has been digitized and
can be easily found online (like the archives of daily newspapers Neues Deutschland and Berliner Zeitung), but
as far as I found none of them report the simple fact of who was sitting on the bench.
You can even get the Stasi reports for 'Aktion Leder' and see which players were deemed politically unreliable,
or had relatives in the West, or which one of the hand-selected 'fans' who were allowed to travel to the land of
the class enemy drank too much on the train and won't ever be allowed to leave the country again (actually you
can't - the name's been blacked out) - but nothing about unused substitutes....

Which led me back to googling, using the name of the goalkeeper that was on the bench as #2 (Blochwitz),
and excluding goalkeeper #3 (Friese). Which led me to this unlikely source, full of misspellings etc., but actually
reporting five subs on each side:

https://timarit.is/page/1453684#page/n45/mode/2up
(digitized Icelandic newspaper from June 27th, 1974)

that e.g. gives the following subs ('varamenn') for Brasil v East Germany (Lið Brasilíu and Lið A-Þýskalands)

BRA: Piazza, Renato (GK), Antonio (Marco Antônio), Mirandinha, Edu
GDR: Schuphase (misspelling: Schnuphase), Löwe, Ducke, Irmscher, Blockwitz (misspelling: Blochwitz, GK)

If you can check the reliability of these subs with the ones you already know, you might be able to fill all your
1974 gaps. Morgunblaðið should have reports on all WC matches.

Ciao,
Werner

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 6:55:04 AM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:13:28 PM UTC+2, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> >
> > This now leaves us with just 20 matches in the list from a starting point of 81 matches - a fantastic effort I'm sure you would agree.
> >
> > 1974 (13 matches)
> > Group One: East Germany v Australia; Australia v Chile
> > Group Two: Scotland v Brazil (Brazil only); Scotland v Yugoslavia (Yugoslavia only)
> > Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay; Bulgaria v Netherlands (Bulgaria only)
> > Group Four: Poland v Argentina; Argentina v Haiti; Poland v Italy (Poland only)
> >
> > SF Group A: Brazil v East Germany; Argentina v East Germany (East Germany only); Netherlands v Brazil (Brazil only)
> > SF Group B: Yugoslavia v West Germany
> All those unresolved GDR matches from 1974 bugged me. A lot of Eastern German stuff has been digitized and
> can be easily found online (like the archives of daily newspapers Neues Deutschland and Berliner Zeitung), but
> as far as I found none of them report the simple fact of who was sitting on the bench.
>
> You can even get the Stasi reports for 'Aktion Leder' and see which players were deemed politically unreliable,
> or had relatives in the West, or which one of the hand-selected 'fans' who were allowed to travel to the land of
> the class enemy drank too much on the train and won't ever be allowed to leave the country again (actually you
> can't - the name's been blacked out) - but nothing about unused substitutes...
>
>
> Which led me back to googling, using the name of the goalkeeper that was on the bench as #2 (Blochwitz),
> and excluding goalkeeper #3 (Friese). Which led me to this unlikely source, full of misspellings etc., but actually
> reporting five subs on each side:
>
> https://timarit.is/page/1453684#page/n45/mode/2up
> (digitized Icelandic newspaper from June 27th, 1974)
>
> that e.g. gives the following subs ('varamenn') for Brasil v East Germany (Lið Brasilíu and Lið A-Þýskalands)
>
> BRA: Piazza, Renato (GK), Antonio (Marco Antônio), Mirandinha, Edu
> GDR: Schuphase (misspelling: Schnuphase), Löwe, Ducke, Irmscher, Blockwitz (misspelling: Blochwitz, GK)
>
> If you can check the reliability of these subs with the ones you already know, you might be able to fill all your
> 1974 gaps. Morgunblaðið should have reports on all WC matches.
>

Amazing! The skills learned playing Not a Mystery have not gone to waste!

On Thursday, 9 September 2021 at 11:55:04 UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:13:28 PM UTC+2, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> >
> > This now leaves us with just 20 matches in the list from a starting point of 81 matches - a fantastic effort I'm sure you would agree.
> >
> > 1974 (13 matches)
> > Group One: East Germany v Australia; Australia v Chile
> > Group Two: Scotland v Brazil (Brazil only); Scotland v Yugoslavia (Yugoslavia only)
> > Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay; Bulgaria v Netherlands (Bulgaria only)
> > Group Four: Poland v Argentina; Argentina v Haiti; Poland v Italy (Poland only)
> >
> > SF Group A: Brazil v East Germany; Argentina v East Germany (East Germany only); Netherlands v Brazil (Brazil only)
> > SF Group B: Yugoslavia v West Germany
> All those unresolved GDR matches from 1974 bugged me. A lot of Eastern German stuff has been digitized and
> can be easily found online (like the archives of daily newspapers Neues Deutschland and Berliner Zeitung), but
> as far as I found none of them report the simple fact of who was sitting on the bench.
>
> You can even get the Stasi reports for 'Aktion Leder' and see which players were deemed politically unreliable,
> or had relatives in the West, or which one of the hand-selected 'fans' who were allowed to travel to the land of
> the class enemy drank too much on the train and won't ever be allowed to leave the country again (actually you
> can't - the name's been blacked out) - but nothing about unused substitutes...
>
>
> Which led me back to googling, using the name of the goalkeeper that was on the bench as #2 (Blochwitz),
> and excluding goalkeeper #3 (Friese). Which led me to this unlikely source, full of misspellings etc., but actually
> reporting five subs on each side:
>
> https://timarit.is/page/1453684#page/n45/mode/2up
> (digitized Icelandic newspaper from June 27th, 1974)
>
> that e.g. gives the following subs ('varamenn') for Brasil v East Germany (Lið Brasilíu and Lið A-Þýskalands)
>
> BRA: Piazza, Renato (GK), Antonio (Marco Antônio), Mirandinha, Edu
> GDR: Schuphase (misspelling: Schnuphase), Löwe, Ducke, Irmscher, Blockwitz (misspelling: Blochwitz, GK)
>
> If you can check the reliability of these subs with the ones you already know, you might be able to fill all your
> 1974 gaps. Morgunblaðið should have reports on all WC matches.
>
>
> Ciao,
> Werner

Werner

Some fantastic investigation work - many thanks. Also, love the stories about East Germany and the Stasi. I wonder if the players received any kind of special bonus for beating West Germany?

Apart from the substitutes for Brazil v East Germany which Werner kindly provided, I've managed to find another 8 matches from the newspaper link from Werner. Unfortunately there are a couple of days missing, and the early matches didn't appear to have teams listed in the match reports, but I have managed to extract the following, and based on checking the substitutes we already know, this data appears to have no issues:

Australia v Chile (Group One)
AUS: [13] Ollerton, [15] Williams, [18] Watkiss, [19] Campbell, [21] Milisavljevic
CHI: [6] Rodriguez, [12] Machuca, [17] Yavar, [19] Farias, [21] Olivares

Scotland v Brazil (Group Two)
SCO: [6] Blackley, [7] Johnstone, [12] Allan, [15] Cormack, [18] Hutchison
BRA: [12] Renato, [13] Valdomiro, [16] Marco Antonio, [17] Carpegiani, [20] Edu

Scotland v Yugoslavia (Group Two)
SCO: [6] Blackley, [7] Johnstone, [12] Allan, [15] Cormack, [18] Hutchison
YUG: [4] Muzinic, [12] Jerkovic, [13] Pavlovic, [18] Karasi, [21] Petrovic

Bulgaria v Netherlands (Group Three)
BUL: [1] Goranov, [9] Mihailov, [12] Aladzhov, [17] Nikodimov, [20] Borisov
NET: [5] Israel, [7] De Jong, [9] Keizer, [11] Van Der Kerkhof, [18] Schrijvers

Argentina v East Germany (SF Group A)
ARG: [4] Balbuena, [9] Glaria, [14] Perfumo, [17] Squeo, [21] Santoro
DDR: [5] Fritsche, [9] Ducke, [15] Vogel, [16] Irmscher, [21] Blochwitz

Netherlands v Brazil (SF Group A)
NET: [1] Geels, [5] Israel, [7] De Jong, [10] Van Der Kerkhof, [18] Schrijvers
BRA: [5] Piazza, [12] Renato, [16] Marco Antonio, [19] Mirandinha, [20] Edu

Yugoslavia v West Germany (SF Group B)
YUG: [7] Petkovic, [12] Jerkovic, [13] Pavlovic, [14] Peruzovic, [22] Meskovic
FRG: [6] Hottges, [8] Cullmann, [14] Hoeness, [15] Flohe, [21] Nigbur

This now means that out of the original 81 matches we were looking at, we have now reduced that down to 11, with the following still outstanding:

1970 (4 matches)
Group One: Belgium v El Salvador, Soviet Union v Belgium
Group Two: Sweden v Israel (Sweden only)
Group Three: Romania v Czechoslovakia

1974 (5 matches)
Group One: East Germany v Australia
Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay
Group Four: Poland v Argentina, Argentina v Haiti, Poland v Italy (Poland only)

1978 (2 matches)
Group Four: Netherlands v Iran (Iran only)
SF Group B: Brazil v Peru (Peru only)

Regards

Steve

El viernes, 10 de septiembre de 2021 a las 3:24:23 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> On Thursday, 9 September 2021 at 11:55:04 UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 7, 2021 at 2:13:28 PM UTC+2, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> > >
> > > This now leaves us with just 20 matches in the list from a starting point of 81 matches - a fantastic effort I'm sure you would agree.
> > >
> > > 1974 (13 matches)
> > > Group One: East Germany v Australia; Australia v Chile
> > > Group Two: Scotland v Brazil (Brazil only); Scotland v Yugoslavia (Yugoslavia only)
> > > Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay; Bulgaria v Netherlands (Bulgaria only)
> > > Group Four: Poland v Argentina; Argentina v Haiti; Poland v Italy (Poland only)
> > >
> > > SF Group A: Brazil v East Germany; Argentina v East Germany (East Germany only); Netherlands v Brazil (Brazil only)
> > > SF Group B: Yugoslavia v West Germany
> > All those unresolved GDR matches from 1974 bugged me. A lot of Eastern German stuff has been digitized and
> > can be easily found online (like the archives of daily newspapers Neues Deutschland and Berliner Zeitung), but
> > as far as I found none of them report the simple fact of who was sitting on the bench.
> >
> > You can even get the Stasi reports for 'Aktion Leder' and see which players were deemed politically unreliable,
> > or had relatives in the West, or which one of the hand-selected 'fans' who were allowed to travel to the land of
> > the class enemy drank too much on the train and won't ever be allowed to leave the country again (actually you
> > can't - the name's been blacked out) - but nothing about unused substitutes...
> >
> >
> > Which led me back to googling, using the name of the goalkeeper that was on the bench as #2 (Blochwitz),
> > and excluding goalkeeper #3 (Friese). Which led me to this unlikely source, full of misspellings etc., but actually
> > reporting five subs on each side:
> >
> > https://timarit.is/page/1453684#page/n45/mode/2up
> > (digitized Icelandic newspaper from June 27th, 1974)
> >
> > that e.g. gives the following subs ('varamenn') for Brasil v East Germany (Lið Brasilíu and Lið A-Þýskalands)
> >
> > BRA: Piazza, Renato (GK), Antonio (Marco Antônio), Mirandinha, Edu
> > GDR: Schuphase (misspelling: Schnuphase), Löwe, Ducke, Irmscher, Blockwitz (misspelling: Blochwitz, GK)
> >
> > If you can check the reliability of these subs with the ones you already know, you might be able to fill all your
> > 1974 gaps. Morgunblaðið should have reports on all WC matches..
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Werner
> Werner
>
> Some fantastic investigation work - many thanks. Also, love the stories about East Germany and the Stasi. I wonder if the players received any kind of special bonus for beating West Germany?
>
> Apart from the substitutes for Brazil v East Germany which Werner kindly provided, I've managed to find another 8 matches from the newspaper link from Werner. Unfortunately there are a couple of days missing, and the early matches didn't appear to have teams listed in the match reports, but I have managed to extract the following, and based on checking the substitutes we already know, this data appears to have no issues:
>
> Australia v Chile (Group One)
> AUS: [13] Ollerton, [15] Williams, [18] Watkiss, [19] Campbell, [21] Milisavljevic
> CHI: [6] Rodriguez, [12] Machuca, [17] Yavar, [19] Farias, [21] Olivares
>
> Scotland v Brazil (Group Two)
> SCO: [6] Blackley, [7] Johnstone, [12] Allan, [15] Cormack, [18] Hutchison
> BRA: [12] Renato, [13] Valdomiro, [16] Marco Antonio, [17] Carpegiani, [20] Edu
>
> Scotland v Yugoslavia (Group Two)
> SCO: [6] Blackley, [7] Johnstone, [12] Allan, [15] Cormack, [18] Hutchison
> YUG: [4] Muzinic, [12] Jerkovic, [13] Pavlovic, [18] Karasi, [21] Petrovic
>
> Bulgaria v Netherlands (Group Three)
> BUL: [1] Goranov, [9] Mihailov, [12] Aladzhov, [17] Nikodimov, [20] Borisov
> NET: [5] Israel, [7] De Jong, [9] Keizer, [11] Van Der Kerkhof, [18] Schrijvers
>
> Argentina v East Germany (SF Group A)
> ARG: [4] Balbuena, [9] Glaria, [14] Perfumo, [17] Squeo, [21] Santoro
> DDR: [5] Fritsche, [9] Ducke, [15] Vogel, [16] Irmscher, [21] Blochwitz
>
> Netherlands v Brazil (SF Group A)
> NET: [1] Geels, [5] Israel, [7] De Jong, [10] Van Der Kerkhof, [18] Schrijvers
> BRA: [5] Piazza, [12] Renato, [16] Marco Antonio, [19] Mirandinha, [20] Edu
>
> Yugoslavia v West Germany (SF Group B)
> YUG: [7] Petkovic, [12] Jerkovic, [13] Pavlovic, [14] Peruzovic, [22] Meskovic
> FRG: [6] Hottges, [8] Cullmann, [14] Hoeness, [15] Flohe, [21] Nigbur
>
> This now means that out of the original 81 matches we were looking at, we have now reduced that down to 11, with the following still outstanding:
>
> 1970 (4 matches)
> Group One: Belgium v El Salvador, Soviet Union v Belgium
> Group Two: Sweden v Israel (Sweden only)
> Group Three: Romania v Czechoslovakia
> 1974 (5 matches)
> Group One: East Germany v Australia
> Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay
> Group Four: Poland v Argentina, Argentina v Haiti, Poland v Italy (Poland only)
>
> 1978 (2 matches)
> Group Four: Netherlands v Iran (Iran only)
> SF Group B: Brazil v Peru (Peru only)
>
> Regards
>
> Steve

I have checked a few football specific magazines (Tuttosport, Onze, Placar), but none have digital archive or good info. Any ideas on other magazines?

On Saturday, 11 September 2021 at 18:12:22 UTC+1, Laura Camacho wrote:
> I have checked a few football specific magazines (Tuttosport, Onze, Placar), but none have digital archive or good info. Any ideas on other magazines?

I was hoping that World Soccer magazine may have bee able to help, but the information I've found so far would suggest not. I know for sure they didn't for the 1970 edition.

Will keep looking

Regards

Steve

On Monday, 13 September 2021 at 11:30:12 UTC+1, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> On Saturday, 11 September 2021 at 18:12:22 UTC+1, Laura Camacho wrote:
> > I have checked a few football specific magazines (Tuttosport, Onze, Placar), but none have digital archive or good info. Any ideas on other magazines?
> I was hoping that World Soccer magazine may have bee able to help, but the information I've found so far would suggest not. I know for sure they didn't for the 1970 edition.
>
> Will keep looking
>
> Regards
>
> Steve

All

Some good new.

I have managed to speak to a contact who has confirmed the final substitutes we were looking for in 1978:

Group Four - Netherlands v Iran
Iran: [2] Danaeifard, [3] Fariba, [10] Roshan, [11] Ghesghayan, [12] Mavaddat

SF Group B - Brazil v Peru
Peru: [1] Sartor, [9] Rojas, [14] Navarro, [15] Leguia, [20] Sotil

That now takes the number of matches we are looking for into single digits (just 9 matches to go).

The updated list is now:

1970 (4 matches)
Group One: Belgium v El Salvador, Soviet Union v Belgium
Group Two: Sweden v Israel (Israel only)
Group Three: Romania v Czechoslovakia

1974 (5 matches)
Group One: East Germany v Australia
Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay
Group Four: Poland v Argentina, Argentina v Haiti, Poland v Italy (Poland only)

I know that information must be out there somewhere!

Regards

Steve

El lunes, 20 de septiembre de 2021 a las 14:07:49 UTC-6, Steve Flanagan escribió:
> On Monday, 13 September 2021 at 11:30:12 UTC+1, Steve Flanagan wrote:
> > On Saturday, 11 September 2021 at 18:12:22 UTC+1, Laura Camacho wrote:
> > > I have checked a few football specific magazines (Tuttosport, Onze, Placar), but none have digital archive or good info. Any ideas on other magazines?
> > I was hoping that World Soccer magazine may have bee able to help, but the information I've found so far would suggest not. I know for sure they didn't for the 1970 edition.
> >
> > Will keep looking
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Steve
> All
>
> Some good new.
>
> I have managed to speak to a contact who has confirmed the final substitutes we were looking for in 1978:
>
> Group Four - Netherlands v Iran
> Iran: [2] Danaeifard, [3] Fariba, [10] Roshan, [11] Ghesghayan, [12] Mavaddat
>
> SF Group B - Brazil v Peru
> Peru: [1] Sartor, [9] Rojas, [14] Navarro, [15] Leguia, [20] Sotil
>
> That now takes the number of matches we are looking for into single digits (just 9 matches to go).
>
> The updated list is now:
> 1970 (4 matches)
> Group One: Belgium v El Salvador, Soviet Union v Belgium
> Group Two: Sweden v Israel (Israel only)
> Group Three: Romania v Czechoslovakia
>
> 1974 (5 matches)
> Group One: East Germany v Australia
> Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay
> Group Four: Poland v Argentina, Argentina v Haiti, Poland v Italy (Poland only)
> I know that information must be out there somewhere!
>
> Regards
>
> Steve

Steve,

Excellent finds!!! I am still looking in old newspapers all over the place. Will keep you posted.

Hi team,

1974
ARG-HAI
Santoro, Brindisi, Balbuena, Squeo.

Source: https://www.elgrafico.com.ar/articulo/1088/34996/historia-del-futbol-argentino-por-juvenal-capitulo-xv-%281971-1975%29
CTRL+F -- José Varacka, Vladislao Cap (DT), Carlos Squeo, y Miguel Santoro festejando la victoria con Haití en el banco Argentino.

Only one ARG substitute player missing in this match.

Hello team,

1974 All matches, please check this file:

http://www.cihefe.es/cuadernosdefutbol/wp-content/upLoads/Mundial-1974.Mart%C3%ADn2.pdf

It includes every single match with the unsubs.

Group One: East Germany v Australia
RDA: Blochwitz, Hoffmann, Ducke, Kurbjuweit, Seguin
AUS: Milišavljević, Abonyi, Campbell, Watkiss, Williams

Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay
BUL: Staikov, Mikhailov, Aladzhov, Stoyanov, Zhetchev
URU: Santos, Masnik, Cardaccio, Cubilla, Mario González

Group Four: Poland v Argentina, Argentina v Haiti, Poland v Italy (Poland only)
POL: Fischer, Bulzacki, Gut, Domarski, Ćmikiewicz
ARG: Santoro, Houseman, Telch, Chazarreta, Glaría

ARG: Santoro, Brindisi, Balbuena, Bargas, Glaría
HAI: Piquant, F. Leandré, M. Leandré, Austin, R. Saint-Vil

POL: Fischer, Ćmikiewicz, Bulzacki, Domarski, Gut
ITA: Albertosi, Wilson, Boninsegna, Juliano, Re Cecconi

I have checked match by match and the only difference is here:
HOL: Schrijvers, Israël, De Jong, Keizer, Willy Van de Kerkhof
BUL: Goranov, Aladzhov, Borisov, Mikhailov, ZHETCHEV
Zhetchev is included as substitute in the attached file but previously anyone here informed that the subs list is:
BUL: Goranov, Aladzhov, Borisov, Mikhailov, NIKODIMOV

In touch :)

El martes, 21 de septiembre de 2021 a las 13:54:48 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> Hello team,
>
> 1974 All matches, please check this file:
>
> http://www.cihefe.es/cuadernosdefutbol/wp-content/upLoads/Mundial-1974.Mart%C3%ADn2.pdf
>
> It includes every single match with the unsubs.
> Group One: East Germany v Australia
> RDA: Blochwitz, Hoffmann, Ducke, Kurbjuweit, Seguin
> AUS: Milišavljević, Abonyi, Campbell, Watkiss, Williams
> Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay
> BUL: Staikov, Mikhailov, Aladzhov, Stoyanov, Zhetchev
> URU: Santos, Masnik, Cardaccio, Cubilla, Mario González
> Group Four: Poland v Argentina, Argentina v Haiti, Poland v Italy (Poland only)
> POL: Fischer, Bulzacki, Gut, Domarski, Ćmikiewicz
> ARG: Santoro, Houseman, Telch, Chazarreta, Glaría
>
> ARG: Santoro, Brindisi, Balbuena, Bargas, Glaría
> HAI: Piquant, F. Leandré, M. Leandré, Austin, R. Saint-Vil
>
> POL: Fischer, Ćmikiewicz, Bulzacki, Domarski, Gut
> ITA: Albertosi, Wilson, Boninsegna, Juliano, Re Cecconi
>
> I have checked match by match and the only difference is here:
> HOL: Schrijvers, Israël, De Jong, Keizer, Willy Van de Kerkhof
> BUL: Goranov, Aladzhov, Borisov, Mikhailov, ZHETCHEV
> Zhetchev is included as substitute in the attached file but previously anyone here informed that the subs list is:
> BUL: Goranov, Aladzhov, Borisov, Mikhailov, NIKODIMOV
>
> In touch :)

Juan,

Excellent work!!! We are almost done

El martes, 21 de septiembre de 2021 a las 17:31:08 UTC-6, Laura Camacho escribió:
> El martes, 21 de septiembre de 2021 a las 13:54:48 UTC-6, Juan B escribió:
> > Hello team,
> >
> > 1974 All matches, please check this file:
> >
> > http://www.cihefe.es/cuadernosdefutbol/wp-content/upLoads/Mundial-1974.Mart%C3%ADn2.pdf
> >
> > It includes every single match with the unsubs.
> > Group One: East Germany v Australia
> > RDA: Blochwitz, Hoffmann, Ducke, Kurbjuweit, Seguin
> > AUS: Milišavljević, Abonyi, Campbell, Watkiss, Williams
> > Group Three: Bulgaria v Uruguay
> > BUL: Staikov, Mikhailov, Aladzhov, Stoyanov, Zhetchev
> > URU: Santos, Masnik, Cardaccio, Cubilla, Mario González
> > Group Four: Poland v Argentina, Argentina v Haiti, Poland v Italy (Poland only)
> > POL: Fischer, Bulzacki, Gut, Domarski, Ćmikiewicz
> > ARG: Santoro, Houseman, Telch, Chazarreta, Glaría
> >
> > ARG: Santoro, Brindisi, Balbuena, Bargas, Glaría
> > HAI: Piquant, F. Leandré, M. Leandré, Austin, R. Saint-Vil
> >
> > POL: Fischer, Ćmikiewicz, Bulzacki, Domarski, Gut
> > ITA: Albertosi, Wilson, Boninsegna, Juliano, Re Cecconi
> >
> > I have checked match by match and the only difference is here:
> > HOL: Schrijvers, Israël, De Jong, Keizer, Willy Van de Kerkhof
> > BUL: Goranov, Aladzhov, Borisov, Mikhailov, ZHETCHEV
> > Zhetchev is included as substitute in the attached file but previously anyone here informed that the subs list is:
> > BUL: Goranov, Aladzhov, Borisov, Mikhailov, NIKODIMOV
> >
> > In touch :)
> Juan,
>
> Excellent work!!! We are almost done

Team,

I got a historical question:

As we all know, subs were allowed for the first time at the 1970 WC. There was a limit of 5 on the bench. This lasted until 1990. For 1994 and 1998, every available player could sit on the bench. Starting in 2002, what was the rule? I think it was still possible for all available players to sit on the bench but I have also ready that only seven could sit. Any insight on this?