On 2/2/2022 12:19 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.
>
> Tommy, are you sky high on crack right now? Using that evil Google on the internet, it says San Francisco, where you live is going to have highs in the low 60s for the next ten days. And lows in the 40s. And Cleveland Ohio where Frank is close to, is going to have highs in the next ten days in the 40s, 30s, 20s, and teens. And lows in the 30s, 20s, teens, and single digits. And its going to snow in Cleveland in the next day or two.

We've had an unusually snowy winter, with well over a foot falling in
three days maybe a week ago. It's settled a bit but never really melted;
I'm looking at ~ six inches of snow out my window. My wife and I haven't
even been able to walk much because sidewalks are impassible. And our
daytime highs broke 40 F only yesterday, after a long time of barely
cracking 30, with nighttime lows below zero F.

Roads are finally dry for the moment, but winter storm Landon is on the
way. From the National Weather Service:

"...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO
7 AM EST FRIDAY...

* WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow accumulations
of 4 to 7 inches and ice accumulations of a light glaze. ...

* WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 7 AM EST Friday.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous
conditions could impact the morning or evening commute.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Heaviest snow expected Wednesday night
through Thursday. Snowfall rates may exceed one inch per hour at
times."

But I'm sure San Francisco gets this all the time, and that Tom rides
right through it. What a hero!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:19:21 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:27:12 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > > >> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> > > > > >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> > > > > >>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> > > > > >>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> > > > > >>> to make it easier to use.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > > > > >>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> > > > > >>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> > > > > >>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> > > > > >>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> > > > > >>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> > > > > >>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> > > > > >>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> > > > > >>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> > > > > >>> perhaps enlighten me.
> > > > > >> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> > > > > >> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> > > > > >> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> > > > > Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> > > > I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
> > > The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
> > >
> > > Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation? Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason. And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
> > So the numbers man again shows he has great difficulty with numbers. Showing altitude in meters is probably a better idea since the numbers are much smaller. Over the last 5 years I have climbed over a million feet of grades over 5%. Counting the actual climbing that a Garmin records that would be an additional 20%. Oh, wait, you can't figure out what 1.2 times a million would be.
> Then why don't you tell us your distance in miles and altitude in YARDS? Yards and Meters are pretty darn close. And they do not intermix US standard and metric system. They are the same system. No intermixing. It is very odd for you to mix USA miles, feet, yards and Europe metric kilometers, meters, centimeters. Very bizarre.
> >
> > Let's put it this way - I climbed over 3 times the height of Mt. Everest. Or is that too approximate for you now?
> Mt. Everest is around 28,000 feet high. So three times that is about 90,000 feet of climbing. And you wrote you climbed 1000 meters above so far this year. About 3000 feet. And you somehow think 90,000 and 3000 are somehow equal? Or comparable? What are you smoking Tommy?
> >
> > Why don't you tell us about your grand travels?
> Probably my only GRAND travels were the summer I rode around Europe. Rome to Brussels in 1992. About 4000 miles in total over about 100 days. Great joy for me. I have ridden a week or so in Portugal and just a few miles in Spain too. That was back in 2000. Good ride. Saw cork trees after they had their bark cut off. Skinned trees. Odd sight. Ridden a few weeks in the Colorado Rockies. Good rides. Went on week long rides in Indiana, Tennessee, and North Carolina. Also good rides. And of course local week long rides in Kansas, Iowa and North Dakota. All good. I think riding for a week in a state gives you a good perspective of the state.
> >
> > By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.
> Tommy, are you sky high on crack right now? Using that evil Google on the internet, it says San Francisco, where you live is going to have highs in the low 60s for the next ten days. And lows in the 40s. And Cleveland Ohio where Frank is close to, is going to have highs in the next ten days in the 40s, 30s, 20s, and teens. And lows in the 30s, 20s, teens, and single digits. And its going to snow in Cleveland in the next day or two. Now I know Trump is your idle. But I think even Trump would not make up a lie like that claiming the Bay area and Ohio are having similar weather right now. I think you might have jumped off the edge of the Grand Canyon with this whopper.. Do you really believe 60 degrees is the same as 18 degrees and snow?
>
> For fun I used Google to look up the weather for Amsterdam. Next ten days call for highs of upper 40s Fahrenheit and lows of low 40s. Lot of rain too. So while Amsterdam is rideable for the next ten days temperature wise, it might not be pleasant if its cool and raining. I would give Lou a pass on riding for the next week if he wants it. He can still call himself a real bicyclist if he wants too even if he does not touch his bike for the next week or so. Riding in rain when its in the 40s and 50s is not pleasant. I've done it too many times.
>
> I doubt Jeff Lieberman on this site ever said it never rains in California. Due to your poor reading comprehension, you may have interpreted it that way. But you say there is no Covid-19 and Trump won the election. So that clearly illustrates your reading comprehension and thinking ability. Even the Atacama desert in the Andes and the Sahara, receive some moisture. It might rain only once every few centuries, but that is still not never.
> >
> > The weather report sadly told us that for this time of year because of the dry spell we are down to only 100% of normal rainfall. That didn't stop me from finishing my 5,000 miles for the year in December. I still did 25 miles today despite 20-40mph winds that were predicted so they cut down all of the trees around the Oakland Airport.
> Not sure how your daily riding mileage and wind speeds and removing trees around an airport are related. But still good to know this information.

So aside from problems with numbers, you also have English as a second language? Perhaps you missed where I said that in the LAST FIVE YEARS I climbed over a million feet? What you have proven is that you are too busy trying to find something to complain about than to actually learn anything.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:11:48 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 6:19:21 AM UTC+1, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > For fun I used Google to look up the weather for Amsterdam. Next ten days call for highs of upper 40s Fahrenheit and lows of low 40s. Lot of rain too. So while Amsterdam is rideable for the next ten days temperature wise, it might not be pleasant if its cool and raining. I would give Lou a pass on riding for the next week if he wants it. He can still call himself a real bicyclist if he wants too even if he does not touch his bike for the next week or so. Riding in rain when its in the 40s and 50s is not pleasant. I've done it too many times.
> The weather determines what bike I take, what clothes I wear, how long I ride and mayby if I postpone a ride for 1 or 2 days. Dutch climate does allow that for me.

I don't ride when it's raining since most of my riding includes climbing and descending which it not safe in rain or particularly we roads.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:59:55 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
> > russell...@yahoo.com <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> >>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> >>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> >>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> >>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> >>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> >>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> >>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> >>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> >>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> >>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> >>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> >>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> >>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
> >>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> >>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> >>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> >>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> >>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
> >>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
> >>
> >> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
> >> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
> >> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
> >>
> >> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
> >> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
> >> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
> >> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
> >> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
> >> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
> >> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
> >> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
> >> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
> >>
> >
> > 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
> > and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
> > Has Tom moved next door to Lou?
> I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
> those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
> higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
> necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
> than due to landscape features.
> Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?

Typically when I am recording climbing it is over 5% and the Garmin is accurate since it uses an altimeter rather than GPS triangulation.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:50:10 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 12:19 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.
> >
> > Tommy, are you sky high on crack right now? Using that evil Google on the internet, it says San Francisco, where you live is going to have highs in the low 60s for the next ten days. And lows in the 40s. And Cleveland Ohio where Frank is close to, is going to have highs in the next ten days in the 40s, 30s, 20s, and teens. And lows in the 30s, 20s, teens, and single digits. And its going to snow in Cleveland in the next day or two.
> We've had an unusually snowy winter, with well over a foot falling in
> three days maybe a week ago. It's settled a bit but never really melted;
> I'm looking at ~ six inches of snow out my window. My wife and I haven't
> even been able to walk much because sidewalks are impassible. And our
> daytime highs broke 40 F only yesterday, after a long time of barely
> cracking 30, with nighttime lows below zero F.
>
> Roads are finally dry for the moment, but winter storm Landon is on the
> way. From the National Weather Service:
>
> "...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO
> 7 AM EST FRIDAY...
>
> * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow accumulations
> of 4 to 7 inches and ice accumulations of a light glaze. ...
>
> * WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 7 AM EST Friday.
>
> * IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous
> conditions could impact the morning or evening commute.
>
> * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Heaviest snow expected Wednesday night
> through Thursday. Snowfall rates may exceed one inch per hour at
> times."
>
> But I'm sure San Francisco gets this all the time, and that Tom rides
> right through it. What a hero!

So a storm expected at the end of the week prevents you from riding today. Ask Lou what he thinks of that.

On 2/2/2022 11:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:50:10 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/2/2022 12:19 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.
>>>
>>> Tommy, are you sky high on crack right now? Using that evil Google on the internet, it says San Francisco, where you live is going to have highs in the low 60s for the next ten days. And lows in the 40s. And Cleveland Ohio where Frank is close to, is going to have highs in the next ten days in the 40s, 30s, 20s, and teens. And lows in the 30s, 20s, teens, and single digits. And its going to snow in Cleveland in the next day or two.
>> We've had an unusually snowy winter, with well over a foot falling in
>> three days maybe a week ago. It's settled a bit but never really melted;
>> I'm looking at ~ six inches of snow out my window. My wife and I haven't
>> even been able to walk much because sidewalks are impassible. And our
>> daytime highs broke 40 F only yesterday, after a long time of barely
>> cracking 30, with nighttime lows below zero F.
>>
>> Roads are finally dry for the moment, but winter storm Landon is on the
>> way. From the National Weather Service:
>>
>> "...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO
>> 7 AM EST FRIDAY...
>>
>> * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow accumulations
>> of 4 to 7 inches and ice accumulations of a light glaze. ...
>>
>> * WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 7 AM EST Friday.
>>
>> * IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous
>> conditions could impact the morning or evening commute.
>>
>> * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Heaviest snow expected Wednesday night
>> through Thursday. Snowfall rates may exceed one inch per hour at
>> times."
>>
>> But I'm sure San Francisco gets this all the time, and that Tom rides
>> right through it. What a hero!
>
> So a storm expected at the end of the week prevents you from riding today. Ask Lou what he thinks of that.

42 F and rain is predicted to hit here in half an hour, the leading edge
of this storm event.

But you really need to ask your wife for help with reading comprehension.

Why won't she help? Doesn't she like you?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 11:21:05 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 11:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:50:10 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2022 12:19 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.
> >>>
> >>> Tommy, are you sky high on crack right now? Using that evil Google on the internet, it says San Francisco, where you live is going to have highs in the low 60s for the next ten days. And lows in the 40s. And Cleveland Ohio where Frank is close to, is going to have highs in the next ten days in the 40s, 30s, 20s, and teens. And lows in the 30s, 20s, teens, and single digits. And its going to snow in Cleveland in the next day or two.
> >> We've had an unusually snowy winter, with well over a foot falling in
> >> three days maybe a week ago. It's settled a bit but never really melted;
> >> I'm looking at ~ six inches of snow out my window. My wife and I haven't
> >> even been able to walk much because sidewalks are impassible. And our
> >> daytime highs broke 40 F only yesterday, after a long time of barely
> >> cracking 30, with nighttime lows below zero F.
> >>
> >> Roads are finally dry for the moment, but winter storm Landon is on the
> >> way. From the National Weather Service:
> >>
> >> "...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO
> >> 7 AM EST FRIDAY...
> >>
> >> * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow accumulations
> >> of 4 to 7 inches and ice accumulations of a light glaze. ...
> >>
> >> * WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 7 AM EST Friday.
> >>
> >> * IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous
> >> conditions could impact the morning or evening commute.
> >>
> >> * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Heaviest snow expected Wednesday night
> >> through Thursday. Snowfall rates may exceed one inch per hour at
> >> times."
> >>
> >> But I'm sure San Francisco gets this all the time, and that Tom rides
> >> right through it. What a hero!
> >
> > So a storm expected at the end of the week prevents you from riding today. Ask Lou what he thinks of that.
> 42 F and rain is predicted to hit here in half an hour, the leading edge
> of this storm event.
>
> But you really need to ask your wife for help with reading comprehension.
>
> Why won't she help? Doesn't she like you?
>

Would that surprise you? Hell, we're talking about a guy who put his sick wife on a bus to visit her relatives so he could stay home and work on a craigs list bike rather than be a decent human being and driver her there.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 8:42:47 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 11:21:05 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/2/2022 11:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:50:10 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 2/2/2022 12:19 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.
> > >>>
> > >>> Tommy, are you sky high on crack right now? Using that evil Google on the internet, it says San Francisco, where you live is going to have highs in the low 60s for the next ten days. And lows in the 40s. And Cleveland Ohio where Frank is close to, is going to have highs in the next ten days in the 40s, 30s, 20s, and teens. And lows in the 30s, 20s, teens, and single digits. And its going to snow in Cleveland in the next day or two.
> > >> We've had an unusually snowy winter, with well over a foot falling in
> > >> three days maybe a week ago. It's settled a bit but never really melted;
> > >> I'm looking at ~ six inches of snow out my window. My wife and I haven't
> > >> even been able to walk much because sidewalks are impassible. And our
> > >> daytime highs broke 40 F only yesterday, after a long time of barely
> > >> cracking 30, with nighttime lows below zero F.
> > >>
> > >> Roads are finally dry for the moment, but winter storm Landon is on the
> > >> way. From the National Weather Service:
> > >>
> > >> "...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO
> > >> 7 AM EST FRIDAY...
> > >>
> > >> * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow accumulations
> > >> of 4 to 7 inches and ice accumulations of a light glaze. ...
> > >>
> > >> * WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 7 AM EST Friday.
> > >>
> > >> * IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous
> > >> conditions could impact the morning or evening commute.
> > >>
> > >> * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Heaviest snow expected Wednesday night
> > >> through Thursday. Snowfall rates may exceed one inch per hour at
> > >> times."
> > >>
> > >> But I'm sure San Francisco gets this all the time, and that Tom rides
> > >> right through it. What a hero!
> > >
> > > So a storm expected at the end of the week prevents you from riding today. Ask Lou what he thinks of that.
> > 42 F and rain is predicted to hit here in half an hour, the leading edge
> > of this storm event.
> >
> > But you really need to ask your wife for help with reading comprehension.
> >
> > Why won't she help? Doesn't she like you?
> >
> Would that surprise you? Hell, we're talking about a guy who put his sick wife on a bus to visit her relatives so he could stay home and work on a craigs list bike rather than be a decent human being and driver her there.
I suppose one would wonder what the hell you're talking about, but then we already know that you will say anything. You're like a parrot with nearly as much cognition.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 8:21:05 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 11:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:50:10 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2022 12:19 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.
> >>>
> >>> Tommy, are you sky high on crack right now? Using that evil Google on the internet, it says San Francisco, where you live is going to have highs in the low 60s for the next ten days. And lows in the 40s. And Cleveland Ohio where Frank is close to, is going to have highs in the next ten days in the 40s, 30s, 20s, and teens. And lows in the 30s, 20s, teens, and single digits. And its going to snow in Cleveland in the next day or two.
> >> We've had an unusually snowy winter, with well over a foot falling in
> >> three days maybe a week ago. It's settled a bit but never really melted;
> >> I'm looking at ~ six inches of snow out my window. My wife and I haven't
> >> even been able to walk much because sidewalks are impassible. And our
> >> daytime highs broke 40 F only yesterday, after a long time of barely
> >> cracking 30, with nighttime lows below zero F.
> >>
> >> Roads are finally dry for the moment, but winter storm Landon is on the
> >> way. From the National Weather Service:
> >>
> >> "...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO
> >> 7 AM EST FRIDAY...
> >>
> >> * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow accumulations
> >> of 4 to 7 inches and ice accumulations of a light glaze. ...
> >>
> >> * WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 7 AM EST Friday.
> >>
> >> * IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous
> >> conditions could impact the morning or evening commute.
> >>
> >> * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Heaviest snow expected Wednesday night
> >> through Thursday. Snowfall rates may exceed one inch per hour at
> >> times."
> >>
> >> But I'm sure San Francisco gets this all the time, and that Tom rides
> >> right through it. What a hero!
> >
> > So a storm expected at the end of the week prevents you from riding today. Ask Lou what he thinks of that.
> 42 F and rain is predicted to hit here in half an hour, the leading edge
> of this storm event.
>
> But you really need to ask your wife for help with reading comprehension.
>
> Why won't she help? Doesn't she like you?

Two weeks ago I was riding in 35 degree weather with all of the puddles containing floating ice. And you've had days of 42 and can't ride? You know, that is your business, but don't complain about My riding being easy. Very shortly you will cease riding because it will be too hard for you. Again, that is your business. But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:59:55 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
>>> russell...@yahoo.com <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
>>>>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
>>>>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
>>>>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
>>>>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
>>>>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
>>>>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
>>>>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
>>>>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
>>>>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
>>>>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
>>>>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
>>>>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
>>>>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
>>>>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
>>>>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
>>>>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
>>>>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
>>>>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
>>>>
>>>> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
>>>> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
>>>> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
>>>>
>>>> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
>>>> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
>>>> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
>>>> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
>>>> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
>>>> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
>>>> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
>>>> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
>>>> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
>>> and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
>>> Has Tom moved next door to Lou?
>> I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
>> those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
>> higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
>> necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
>> than due to landscape features.
>> Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?
>
> Typically when I am recording climbing it is over 5% and the Garmin is
> accurate since it uses an altimeter rather than GPS triangulation.
>
Even so the climbing is somewhat low as a ratio of the distance, I live and
commute across london which is flat, the north Downs are lumpy and in
places steep but mountains they are not.

So with two weeks off due illness, I’m at 342miles and 9456 ft/2894meters
climbed.

The vast majority of my rides (commutes) are flat 150ft for just under
12miles each way, most folks do a lot more climbing per distance for that
reason,

Though I do hilly gravel/MTB rides the total distance is quite low per
year.

Roger Merriman.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 11:37:32 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 8:21:05 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/2/2022 11:13 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:50:10 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 2/2/2022 12:19 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.
> > >>>
> > >>> Tommy, are you sky high on crack right now? Using that evil Google on the internet, it says San Francisco, where you live is going to have highs in the low 60s for the next ten days. And lows in the 40s. And Cleveland Ohio where Frank is close to, is going to have highs in the next ten days in the 40s, 30s, 20s, and teens. And lows in the 30s, 20s, teens, and single digits. And its going to snow in Cleveland in the next day or two.
> > >> We've had an unusually snowy winter, with well over a foot falling in
> > >> three days maybe a week ago. It's settled a bit but never really melted;
> > >> I'm looking at ~ six inches of snow out my window. My wife and I haven't
> > >> even been able to walk much because sidewalks are impassible. And our
> > >> daytime highs broke 40 F only yesterday, after a long time of barely
> > >> cracking 30, with nighttime lows below zero F.
> > >>
> > >> Roads are finally dry for the moment, but winter storm Landon is on the
> > >> way. From the National Weather Service:
> > >>
> > >> "...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO
> > >> 7 AM EST FRIDAY...
> > >>
> > >> * WHAT...Mixed precipitation expected. Total snow accumulations
> > >> of 4 to 7 inches and ice accumulations of a light glaze. ...
> > >>
> > >> * WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 7 AM EST Friday.
> > >>
> > >> * IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous
> > >> conditions could impact the morning or evening commute.
> > >>
> > >> * ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Heaviest snow expected Wednesday night
> > >> through Thursday. Snowfall rates may exceed one inch per hour at
> > >> times."
> > >>
> > >> But I'm sure San Francisco gets this all the time, and that Tom rides
> > >> right through it. What a hero!
> > >
> > > So a storm expected at the end of the week prevents you from riding today. Ask Lou what he thinks of that.
> > 42 F and rain is predicted to hit here in half an hour, the leading edge
> > of this storm event.
> >
> > But you really need to ask your wife for help with reading comprehension.
> >
> > Why won't she help? Doesn't she like you?
> Two weeks ago I was riding in 35 degree weather with all of the puddles containing floating ice. And you've had days of 42 and can't ride? You know, that is your business, but don't complain about My riding being easy. Very shortly you will cease riding because it will be too hard for you. Again, that is your business. But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.

??????????????
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/oakland/historic
The above website has the past weather in Oakland California. For the whole month of January and the past few days of February, it looks like the highs were in the 50s every day and the lows in the 40s every day. No rain at all for January. Yet you say two weeks ago it was 35 degrees on your ride? And rainy? And ice in puddles when it was 35 degrees? How does water freeze at temperatures above 32 degrees? I thought with acid rain, rain infected with chemicals and infiltrated with smoke from all your forest fires would be harder to freeze. It would take 31 or 30 or 29 or 28 degrees temperatures to make this infected rain freeze. Yet you say the rain was freezing into ice at a higher temperature of 35? How is that possible? Maybe some of the educated scientists on this forum (not you of course) could tell us what chemicals needed to be added to water/rain to make it freeze at a higher temperature than freezing.

Looking at the past month's temperatures for Oakland it appears you have had somewhat good riding conditions. 50s in the daytime and sunny or cloudy. No rain at all. Back here you would have people running around shirtless in shorts if it was that pleasant in January.

On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.

:-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)

Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?

Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?

Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
it to display what you want it to show?

How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?

Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?

Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
just give up?

But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
starting to improve!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:53:42 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:59:55 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >> Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
> >>> russell...@yahoo.com <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> >>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> >>>>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> >>>>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> >>>>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> >>>>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> >>>>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> >>>>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> >>>>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> >>>>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> >>>>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> >>>>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> >>>>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> >>>>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
> >>>>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> >>>>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> >>>>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> >>>>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> >>>>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
> >>>>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
> >>>> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
> >>>> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind..
> >>>>
> >>>> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
> >>>> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
> >>>> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
> >>>> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
> >>>> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
> >>>> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
> >>>> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
> >>>> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
> >>>> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
> >>> and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
> >>> Has Tom moved next door to Lou?
> >> I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
> >> those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
> >> higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
> >> necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
> >> than due to landscape features.
> >> Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?
> >
> > Typically when I am recording climbing it is over 5% and the Garmin is
> > accurate since it uses an altimeter rather than GPS triangulation.
> >
> Even so the climbing is somewhat low as a ratio of the distance, I live and
> commute across london which is flat, the north Downs are lumpy and in
> places steep but mountains they are not.
>
> So with two weeks off due illness, I’m at 342miles and 9456 ft/2894meters
> climbed.
>
> The vast majority of my rides (commutes) are flat 150ft for just under
> 12miles each way, most folks do a lot more climbing per distance for that
> reason,
>
> Though I do hilly gravel/MTB rides the total distance is quite low per
> year.

I'm not familiar with London but perhaps it suffers from large and often pressure fronts that move in and out fairly rapidly? This is something that is unusual most places such as here where a pressure front usually takes a week or more to move through. Altimeters use atmospheric pressure to detect climbing and are very sensitive as you would expect, for fronts moving in and out will show as climbing and/or descending.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
>
> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
>
> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
>
> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> it to display what you want it to show?
>
> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
>
> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
>
> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> just give up?
>
> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> starting to improve!

Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it but hide it in embarrassment. But unlike you, If a new part doesn't work I will tell people so that they don't make the same mistake. I don't hide the fact that a a seatpost advertised as working with 9 mm carbon seat rails doesn't really do that. Instead you want all of that hidden and secret. No one cares what you find as funny. You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of and your comments are a perfect reason why.

As for your idiotic comments about Di2 on my bikes, tell everyone here how many bikes you've owned with Di2 on them? We can wait for the next ten years of silence from you about this. Here's one you could buy if you ever made the sort of money that these demand. https://www.ebay.com/itm/294442844289?hash=item448e294081:g:eJYAAOSwiENgfwhS

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
>
> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
>
> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
>
> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> it to display what you want it to show?
>
> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
>
> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
>
> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> just give up?
>
> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> starting to improve!
>
I was particularly amused the time he couldn't figure out why his chain was skipping until Andrew told him to lube it. Then of course all the stories we repeatedly hear about how someone sent him the wrong parts.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:51:31 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> >
> > Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> >
> > Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> >
> > Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > it to display what you want it to show?
> >
> > How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> >
> > Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> >
> > Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > just give up?
> >
> > But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > starting to improve!
> >
> I was particularly amused the time he couldn't figure out why his chain was skipping until Andrew told him to lube it. Then of course all the stories we repeatedly hear about how someone sent him the wrong parts.

I am particularly amused with your invention of absolutely anything. Yes, I did buy an 820 off of Ebay and received an 810. I didn't know the difference and it operated just fine and it was dirt cheap. So am I supposed to care? Oh wait, YOU think that I'm supposed to care.

I know more about chain lubing and wear on gears than you will ever know in your entire life because you plainly are rather low IQ so don't pretend that I don't know how to lube my chain when chain skipping on the Campy 10 speeds is a common problem until Campy started building special non-stretch cables.

Don't you think you should show another photo that shows you in second place to impress everyone when the truth is that you came in lantern rouge?

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:53:42 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:59:55 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>> Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
>>>>> russell...@yahoo.com <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
>>>>>>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
>>>>>>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
>>>>>>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
>>>>>>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
>>>>>>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
>>>>>>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
>>>>>>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
>>>>>>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
>>>>>>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
>>>>>>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
>>>>>>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
>>>>>>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
>>>>>>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
>>>>>>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
>>>>>>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
>>>>>> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
>>>>>> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
>>>>>> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
>>>>>> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
>>>>>> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
>>>>>> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
>>>>>> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
>>>>>> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
>>>>>> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
>>>>>> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
>>>>> and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
>>>>> Has Tom moved next door to Lou?
>>>> I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
>>>> those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
>>>> higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
>>>> necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
>>>> than due to landscape features.
>>>> Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?
>>>
>>> Typically when I am recording climbing it is over 5% and the Garmin is
>>> accurate since it uses an altimeter rather than GPS triangulation.
>>>
>> Even so the climbing is somewhat low as a ratio of the distance, I live and
>> commute across london which is flat, the north Downs are lumpy and in
>> places steep but mountains they are not.
>>
>> So with two weeks off due illness, I’m at 342miles and 9456 ft/2894meters
>> climbed.
>>
>> The vast majority of my rides (commutes) are flat 150ft for just under
>> 12miles each way, most folks do a lot more climbing per distance for that
>> reason,
>>
>> Though I do hilly gravel/MTB rides the total distance is quite low per
>> year.
>
> I'm not familiar with London but perhaps it suffers from large and often
> pressure fronts that move in and out fairly rapidly? This is something
> that is unusual most places such as here where a pressure front usually
> takes a week or more to move through. Altimeters use atmospheric pressure
> to detect climbing and are very sensitive as you would expect, for fronts
> moving in and out will show as climbing and/or descending.
>
It’s a temperate climate but no not really a feature, clearly does have
fronts moving in mostly in winter, but it’s fairly stable as to the height
gained, and generally is believable considering the route for either my
commute or Gravel/MTB rides.

Most units will recalculate, to known heights etc. so while it’s true there
is some variably it’s a few feet over a big ride than by the 1000ft or so.

Roger Merriman.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 2:55:24 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:53:42 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:59:55 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>>> Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
> >>>>> russell...@yahoo.com <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> >>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> >>>>>>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> >>>>>>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> >>>>>>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> >>>>>>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> >>>>>>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> >>>>>>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> >>>>>>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> >>>>>>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> >>>>>>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> >>>>>>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> >>>>>>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> >>>>>>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
> >>>>>>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> >>>>>>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> >>>>>>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> >>>>>>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> >>>>>>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
> >>>>>>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
> >>>>>> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
> >>>>>> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
> >>>>>> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
> >>>>>> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
> >>>>>> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
> >>>>>> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
> >>>>>> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
> >>>>>> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
> >>>>>> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
> >>>>>> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
> >>>>> and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
> >>>>> Has Tom moved next door to Lou?
> >>>> I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
> >>>> those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
> >>>> higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
> >>>> necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
> >>>> than due to landscape features.
> >>>> Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?
> >>>
> >>> Typically when I am recording climbing it is over 5% and the Garmin is
> >>> accurate since it uses an altimeter rather than GPS triangulation.
> >>>
> >> Even so the climbing is somewhat low as a ratio of the distance, I live and
> >> commute across london which is flat, the north Downs are lumpy and in
> >> places steep but mountains they are not.
> >>
> >> So with two weeks off due illness, I’m at 342miles and 9456 ft/2894meters
> >> climbed.
> >>
> >> The vast majority of my rides (commutes) are flat 150ft for just under
> >> 12miles each way, most folks do a lot more climbing per distance for that
> >> reason,
> >>
> >> Though I do hilly gravel/MTB rides the total distance is quite low per
> >> year.
> >
> > I'm not familiar with London but perhaps it suffers from large and often
> > pressure fronts that move in and out fairly rapidly? This is something
> > that is unusual most places such as here where a pressure front usually
> > takes a week or more to move through. Altimeters use atmospheric pressure
> > to detect climbing and are very sensitive as you would expect, for fronts
> > moving in and out will show as climbing and/or descending.
> >
> It’s a temperate climate but no not really a feature, clearly does have
> fronts moving in mostly in winter, but it’s fairly stable as to the height
> gained, and generally is believable considering the route for either my
> commute or Gravel/MTB rides.
>
> Most units will recalculate, to known heights etc. so while it’s true there
> is some variably it’s a few feet over a big ride than by the 1000ft or so.

My altimeter on both the Garmin and the Levon (I think it is - a speedo with altitude and rate of climb) report every 3 feet on climbs so they are extremely sensitive to even rollers.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:22:02 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 2:55:24 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:53:42 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:59:55 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > >>>> Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
> > >>>>> russell...@yahoo.com <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> > >>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> > >>>>>>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > >>>>>>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> > >>>>>>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> > >>>>>>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> > >>>>>>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> > >>>>>>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> > >>>>>>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
> > >>>>>>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> > >>>>>>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> > >>>>>>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> > >>>>>>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> > >>>>>>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
> > >>>>>>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
> > >>>>>> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
> > >>>>>> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
> > >>>>>> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
> > >>>>>> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
> > >>>>>> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
> > >>>>>> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
> > >>>>>> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
> > >>>>>> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
> > >>>>>> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
> > >>>>>> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
> > >>>>> and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
> > >>>>> Has Tom moved next door to Lou?
> > >>>> I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
> > >>>> those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
> > >>>> higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
> > >>>> necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
> > >>>> than due to landscape features.
> > >>>> Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?
> > >>>
> > >>> Typically when I am recording climbing it is over 5% and the Garmin is
> > >>> accurate since it uses an altimeter rather than GPS triangulation.
> > >>>
> > >> Even so the climbing is somewhat low as a ratio of the distance, I live and
> > >> commute across london which is flat, the north Downs are lumpy and in
> > >> places steep but mountains they are not.
> > >>
> > >> So with two weeks off due illness, I’m at 342miles and 9456 ft/2894meters
> > >> climbed.
> > >>
> > >> The vast majority of my rides (commutes) are flat 150ft for just under
> > >> 12miles each way, most folks do a lot more climbing per distance for that
> > >> reason,
> > >>
> > >> Though I do hilly gravel/MTB rides the total distance is quite low per
> > >> year.
> > >
> > > I'm not familiar with London but perhaps it suffers from large and often
> > > pressure fronts that move in and out fairly rapidly? This is something
> > > that is unusual most places such as here where a pressure front usually
> > > takes a week or more to move through. Altimeters use atmospheric pressure
> > > to detect climbing and are very sensitive as you would expect, for fronts
> > > moving in and out will show as climbing and/or descending.
> > >
> > It’s a temperate climate but no not really a feature, clearly does have
> > fronts moving in mostly in winter, but it’s fairly stable as to the height
> > gained, and generally is believable considering the route for either my
> > commute or Gravel/MTB rides.
> >
> > Most units will recalculate, to known heights etc. so while it’s true there
> > is some variably it’s a few feet over a big ride than by the 1000ft or so.
> My altimeter on both the Garmin and the Levon (I think it is - a speedo with altitude and rate of climb) report every 3 feet on climbs so they are extremely sensitive to even rollers.

Because the ears broke off of my 810 I ordered another rear case. But I also decided that since I intend to ride until something forcibly stops me I will buy a new Garmin 830 from the factory. My local bike shop put it on order and he will sell it to me cheaper than you can get used ones on Ebay for.. Hopefully this one will include an operation manual since it appears to be entirely touch screen. I have all of the pickups - speed, cadence and heart-rate already. I installed the 800 on my Trek and the operating system on that is actually easier to figure out than the 810. It took me less than 5 minutes to train it to my sensors. I could pick up the 810 right now and it would take me 15 minutes to find the screen to change the sensors.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 2:55:24 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:53:42 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:59:55 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>>>>> Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
>>>>>>> russell...@yahoo.com <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
>>>>>>>>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
>>>>>>>>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
>>>>>>>>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
>>>>>>>>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
>>>>>>>> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
>>>>>>>> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
>>>>>>>> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
>>>>>>>> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
>>>>>>>> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
>>>>>>>> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
>>>>>>>> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
>>>>>>>> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
>>>>>>>> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
>>>>>>>> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
>>>>>>> and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
>>>>>>> Has Tom moved next door to Lou?
>>>>>> I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
>>>>>> those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
>>>>>> higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
>>>>>> necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
>>>>>> than due to landscape features.
>>>>>> Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?
>>>>>
>>>>> Typically when I am recording climbing it is over 5% and the Garmin is
>>>>> accurate since it uses an altimeter rather than GPS triangulation.
>>>>>
>>>> Even so the climbing is somewhat low as a ratio of the distance, I live and
>>>> commute across london which is flat, the north Downs are lumpy and in
>>>> places steep but mountains they are not.
>>>>
>>>> So with two weeks off due illness, I’m at 342miles and 9456 ft/2894meters
>>>> climbed.
>>>>
>>>> The vast majority of my rides (commutes) are flat 150ft for just under
>>>> 12miles each way, most folks do a lot more climbing per distance for that
>>>> reason,
>>>>
>>>> Though I do hilly gravel/MTB rides the total distance is quite low per
>>>> year.
>>>
>>> I'm not familiar with London but perhaps it suffers from large and often
>>> pressure fronts that move in and out fairly rapidly? This is something
>>> that is unusual most places such as here where a pressure front usually
>>> takes a week or more to move through. Altimeters use atmospheric pressure
>>> to detect climbing and are very sensitive as you would expect, for fronts
>>> moving in and out will show as climbing and/or descending.
>>>
>> It’s a temperate climate but no not really a feature, clearly does have
>> fronts moving in mostly in winter, but it’s fairly stable as to the height
>> gained, and generally is believable considering the route for either my
>> commute or Gravel/MTB rides.
>>
>> Most units will recalculate, to known heights etc. so while it’s true there
>> is some variably it’s a few feet over a big ride than by the 1000ft or so.
>
> My altimeter on both the Garmin and the Levon (I think it is - a speedo
> with altitude and rate of climb) report every 3 feet on climbs so they
> are extremely sensitive to even rollers.
>
To the best of my knowledge the devices and websites ie Garmin
connect/Strava and so on do correct to known values, last big ride it
claimed 3,970 ft climbing on device and websites.

The Garmin 830 in particular will flash up that it’s recalibrated to
location, every now and then when It’s started up.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:57:44 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 2:55:24 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:53:42 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:59:55 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>>>>> Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
> >>>>>>> russell...@yahoo.com <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> >>>>>>>>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> >>>>>>>>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> >>>>>>>>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
> >>>>>>>>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
> >>>>>>>> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
> >>>>>>>> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
> >>>>>>>> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
> >>>>>>>> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
> >>>>>>>> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
> >>>>>>>> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
> >>>>>>>> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
> >>>>>>>> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
> >>>>>>>> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
> >>>>>>>> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
> >>>>>>> and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
> >>>>>>> Has Tom moved next door to Lou?
> >>>>>> I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
> >>>>>> those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
> >>>>>> higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
> >>>>>> necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
> >>>>>> than due to landscape features.
> >>>>>> Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Typically when I am recording climbing it is over 5% and the Garmin is
> >>>>> accurate since it uses an altimeter rather than GPS triangulation.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Even so the climbing is somewhat low as a ratio of the distance, I live and
> >>>> commute across london which is flat, the north Downs are lumpy and in
> >>>> places steep but mountains they are not.
> >>>>
> >>>> So with two weeks off due illness, I’m at 342miles and 9456 ft/2894meters
> >>>> climbed.
> >>>>
> >>>> The vast majority of my rides (commutes) are flat 150ft for just under
> >>>> 12miles each way, most folks do a lot more climbing per distance for that
> >>>> reason,
> >>>>
> >>>> Though I do hilly gravel/MTB rides the total distance is quite low per
> >>>> year.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not familiar with London but perhaps it suffers from large and often
> >>> pressure fronts that move in and out fairly rapidly? This is something
> >>> that is unusual most places such as here where a pressure front usually
> >>> takes a week or more to move through. Altimeters use atmospheric pressure
> >>> to detect climbing and are very sensitive as you would expect, for fronts
> >>> moving in and out will show as climbing and/or descending.
> >>>
> >> It’s a temperate climate but no not really a feature, clearly does have
> >> fronts moving in mostly in winter, but it’s fairly stable as to the height
> >> gained, and generally is believable considering the route for either my
> >> commute or Gravel/MTB rides.
> >>
> >> Most units will recalculate, to known heights etc. so while it’s true there
> >> is some variably it’s a few feet over a big ride than by the 1000ft or so.
> >
> > My altimeter on both the Garmin and the Levon (I think it is - a speedo
> > with altitude and rate of climb) report every 3 feet on climbs so they
> > are extremely sensitive to even rollers.
> >
> To the best of my knowledge the devices and websites ie Garmin
> connect/Strava and so on do correct to known values, last big ride it
> claimed 3,970 ft climbing on device and websites.
>
> The Garmin 830 in particular will flash up that it’s recalibrated to
> location, every now and then when It’s started up.
>
> In short I don’t believe that it’s massively over reading, I’m aware it’s
> one of the things that gets claimed but the numbers do tend to tally with
> the hills I’m climbing.

On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
>> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
>>
>> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
>>
>> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
>>
>> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
>> it to display what you want it to show?
>>
>> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
>> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
>>
>> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
>>
>> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
>> just give up?
>>
>> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
>> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
>> starting to improve!
>
> Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...

I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
one hundredth the mistakes you do.

> You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...

Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
justified.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:00:02 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:51:31 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:21:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> > > :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> > >
> > > Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> > >
> > > Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> > >
> > > Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> > > it to display what you want it to show?
> > >
> > > How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> > > shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> > >
> > > Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> > >
> > > Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> > > just give up?
> > >
> > > But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> > > nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> > > starting to improve!
> > >
> > I was particularly amused the time he couldn't figure out why his chain was skipping until Andrew told him to lube it. Then of course all the stories we repeatedly hear about how someone sent him the wrong parts.
>
> I am particularly amused with your invention of absolutely anything.

I've never claimed to have invented anything, though I do have my name on a few patents as part of design teams over the years.

> Yes, I did buy an 820 off of Ebay and received an 810. I didn't know the difference and it operated just fine and it was dirt cheap. So am I supposed to care? Oh wait, YOU think that I'm supposed to care.

I know I would care that I paid for a newer product as was sent an older one (and yes tommy, that's the reason they changed to model number, the 820 is newer than the 810). Besides, you complained many times over the years that you were sent something wrong. In reality you bought the wrong part, and claimed it was the sellers fault - idiot.

>
> I know more about chain lubing and wear on gears than you will ever know in your entire life

not likely. We've heard constant tales of your mechanical mishaps - idiot.

> because you plainly are rather low IQ

Sure, mr. "light lines" - idiot

> so don't pretend that I don't know how to lube my chain

I didn't write that. Chalk another one up for tommy's lack of reading comprehension - idiot

> when chain skipping on the Campy 10 speeds is a common problem until Campy started building special non-stretch cables.

haha...right, Campy had to build "special non-stretch cables", let me guess, that was after you called Tullio Campagnolo and told him to redesign it, right? Wow...this one's getting it's own thread - idiot

> Don't you think you should show another photo that shows you in second place to impress everyone when the truth is that you came in lantern rouge?

I already showed my strava result for that race. Besides, no shame in DFL: https://www.cyclist.co.uk/in-depth/1499/lanterne-rouge-at-the-tour-de-france -idiot.

shut the fuck up tommy

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:35:35 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> >> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> >>
> >> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> >>
> >> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> >>
> >> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> >> it to display what you want it to show?
> >>
> >> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> >> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> >>
> >> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> >>
> >> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> >> just give up?
> >>
> >> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> >> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> >> starting to improve!
> >
> > Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
>
> I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
> much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
> one hundredth the mistakes you do.
>
> > You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
>
> Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
> he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
> justified.
>

I was going to say.....All the reading of past threads I've done showed Jobst giving sparky shit, no attacks on you.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/2/2022 3:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/2/2022 12:37 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> But please stop hanging around on .tech and giving us the entirely incorrect advice from your long years of doing things wrong.
> >> :-) That's pretty funny! _Me_ doing things wrong?? :-)
> >>
> >> Tom, did you get your saddle to stay attached after it fell off?
> >>
> >> Have you finally managed to get your handlebars to stop slipping down?
> >>
> >> Have you figured out yet which model Garmin you bought, and how to get
> >> it to display what you want it to show?
> >>
> >> How's your derailleur adjustment these days? IIRC, last we heard it
> >> shifted fine on small cogs but not on large - or was that vice versa?
> >>
> >> Do you still need more help ordering the right bottom bracket components?
> >>
> >> Did you ever get the right wires and components for your Di2, or did you
> >> just give up?
> >>
> >> But hey, congratulations of finding something to hold you up when you
> >> nearly toppled while climbing a hill. Maybe your luck is finally
> >> starting to improve!
> >
> > Frank, I use new parts all the time. I'm well aware that you've already said that if you made a wrong choice you wouldn't advertise it ...
>
> I think your memory is faulty yet again, Tom. But it doesn't matter
> much. I tend to research what I buy fairly carefully, and I don't make
> one hundredth the mistakes you do.
>
> > You are an incompetent idiot that Jobst made fun of ...
>
> Bullshit. Jobst and I corresponded quite pleasantly. And if he were here
> he'd be raking you over the coals as he always did, and it would be well
> justified.

Well, I see you have a very selective memory. I suppose that helps your ego.