On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:58:12 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> On 5/2/2022 9:58 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >> 47% of California's power is still generated by fossil fuels and almost 100% of the electricity they purchase from surrounding states to balance peak demand is from fossil fuels. Transmission of electricity over long distances can lose 97% of the energy. But electric cars are more efficient. Just ask Joe Biden. And whatever he say is parroted word for word by the Slime Stream Media and repeated as absolute fact by the sock puppets here.
> >
> >
> > I wrote this three days ago. You apparently do not read the contents of threads.
> Tom is wrong of course™.
>
> Losses in long-distance high-voltage transmission lines aew very low.
>
> <https://www.theburningofrome.com/contributing/why-does-hvdc-have-less-losses/>
>
> "What are the different losses in HVDC system?
>
> Depending on voltage level and construction details, HVDC transmission
> losses are quoted at 3.5% per 1,000 km, about 50% less than AC (6.5%)
> lines at the same voltage."
>
> The HVDC line from Oregon to Los Angeles is about 1280 km so the losses
> would be 1.280*3.5%=4.48% loss.
>
> I wonder which fake news web site he came up with 97% losses from.

I am sure if you make the electric line long enough, you will get 97% loss. Such as around the world. It would take a genius like Tommy boy to build a power plant in Oakland, CA, and run the electric transmission line completely around the world to deliver the power to San Francisco. On the other side of the bay.

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 2:48:55 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 3 May 2022 11:35:35 +0000, funkma...@hotmail.com (zen
> cycle) wrote:
>
> >So tommy has "an intuitive grasp of concepts of differential and integral calculus and the ability to express these concepts in the form of software and firmware products.", but he can't figure out how to log out of google.
> >
> >"Tom does science." - just another RBT troll
> Oh, be nice. Tom ran into a common problem which is not very obvious
> unless you know how everything works.

But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, Jeff, TOMMY DOES KNOW HOW EVERYTHING WORKS. He tells us that everyday.

The problem is that there is
> one user login/password for the operating system (local, Microsoft or
> Apple) and another for the various commonly used information services
> (Google, Yahoo, Facebook, and such). There might also be some kind of
> 2FA authentication service involved. Each account could have a
> different login name and password pair. Some of these logins are
> persistent, which means the user doesn't need to bother with providing
> a login/password pair every time they turn on the computer.
>
> For reading Usenet news using Google Groups, Tom would need to know
> that his Google Groups name is controlled by his Google login. He
> could easily be using his machine for months, reboot it many times and
> never need to login to Google Groups. That is, until someone else
> logs into his machine and resets the persistent login by simply
> logging in as someone else. When this happens, it's fairly easy to
> forget the change, to remember the original login/password, to
> distinguish whether one needs to also re-login to the operating
> system, Google, any of the services, or some convoluted combination.
> It can be a mess. It's not unusual for me to get a call from a
> customer claiming that their machine is possessed by a ghost because
> it thinks they are someone else. Of course, switching accounts can be
> rather non-obvious.
>
> Also, I may have made 2 mistakes. It was well past midnight when I
> posted my suggested instructions and I was not thinking very clearly.
> My first mistake was that I assumed that Tom was using Windoze. My
> 2nd was that I misread the time that the article was originally posted
> and miscalculated the GMT to PDT conversion. Tom may have already
> fixed the problem but I didn't notice. Tom has his problems, but he
> might have actually fixed the problem before I posted my suggested
> fix.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 5/3/2022 3:10 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:58:12 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:

<snip>

>> I wonder which fake news web site he came up with 97% losses from.
>
> I am sure if you make the electric line long enough, you will get 97% loss. Such as around the world.

The circumference of the Earth is about 40,000 km. At 3.5% loss per 1000
km the compounded losses to go around the earth with HVDC would be about
75%, leaving 25% of the generated power. You'd have to go around the
earth about two and a half times to have 97% losses.

Clearly we need to improve the educational system in the U.S..

On Tue, 3 May 2022 15:00:40 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 May 2022 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), Ann Kunich
>> <elizabet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ummm... Tom, it's not fixed. Open your browser and go thee unto:
>> <http://www.google.com>
>> Near the upper right hand corner of the web browser window, you'll see
>> either Ann's photo, or some kind of icon with her initials. Left
>> click on the photo or icon. A menu should appear. Left click
>> "Sign-Out". She should now be signed out of Google. Left click on
>> "Sign-In". This time, login as cycl...@gmail.com and not as
>> elizabet...@gmail.com.
>>
>> Note: Tech support after midnight will be billed at double daytime
>> rates.
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
>Thanks Jeff. I knew something was wrong about this post but did not put it all together. Tommy boy is using his wife's (ex-wife, new wife, 3rd wife, 2nd divorced wife, wife-in-law, etc. whatever happened in Reno) account to view all of the critical posts he claims to have banished/deleted so he does not have to read his detractors. Apparently Tommy boy wants to respond to his critics with more made up lies and nonsense and unrelated garbage. And claim the "high ground" of ignoring his critics. Typical Tommy.

re: more made up lies and nonsense???

I'm not sure that you are correct here as more and more, as Tommy
posts this and that, I believe it is becoming more apparent that he
really does believe all this bumph that he posts. After all he has
admitted to falling off his bike and bumping his head, and being
essentially insane for two years or more. Perhaps his continued
posting of bizarre statements is simply a more recent manifestation of
this dementia.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/3/2022 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> I'm not sure that you are correct here as more and more, as Tommy
> posts this and that, I believe it is becoming more apparent that he
> really does believe all this bumph that he posts.

Unlikely that he believes what he posts. He lies in order to get a reaction.

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:27:06 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 3:10 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:58:12 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> <snip>
> >> I wonder which fake news web site he came up with 97% losses from.
> >
> > I am sure if you make the electric line long enough, you will get 97% loss. Such as around the world.
> The circumference of the Earth is about 40,000 km. At 3.5% loss per 1000
> km the compounded losses to go around the earth with HVDC would be about
> 75%, leaving 25% of the generated power. You'd have to go around the
> earth about two and a half times to have 97% losses.
>
> Clearly we need to improve the educational system in the U.S..

Was that comment directed at me?
The website I linked above says transportation losses on electric lines varies between 8% and 15%

https://faq-ans.com/en/Q%26A/page=ceb506e08cc4183482eff72097a93ee0
"The overall losses between the power plant and consumers is then in the range between 8 and 15%."

I have not done the compounding of losses per 1000 kilometers to figure the net power left after going around the earth. But with the higher 8% to 15% losses, I think going just once around the earth will get near the 97% loss Tommy lies about. And is the loss compound or is it linear? Do you have support for your compound supposition? MPG is linear. Not compound. Although I guess one could argue that the less fuel one has in the vehicle, the lighter the vehicle becomes by about 8 pounds per gallon, therefore, the MPG will increase over greater distances traveled. 1/100th of a MPG better?

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:08:41 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 3 May 2022 15:00:40 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2 May 2022 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), Ann Kunich
> >> <elizabet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ummm... Tom, it's not fixed. Open your browser and go thee unto:
> >> <http://www.google.com>
> >> Near the upper right hand corner of the web browser window, you'll see
> >> either Ann's photo, or some kind of icon with her initials. Left
> >> click on the photo or icon. A menu should appear. Left click
> >> "Sign-Out". She should now be signed out of Google. Left click on
> >> "Sign-In". This time, login as cycl...@gmail.com and not as
> >> elizabet...@gmail.com.
> >>
> >> Note: Tech support after midnight will be billed at double daytime
> >> rates.
> >> --
> >> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> >> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> >> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> >> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >
> >Thanks Jeff. I knew something was wrong about this post but did not put it all together. Tommy boy is using his wife's (ex-wife, new wife, 3rd wife, 2nd divorced wife, wife-in-law, etc. whatever happened in Reno) account to view all of the critical posts he claims to have banished/deleted so he does not have to read his detractors. Apparently Tommy boy wants to respond to his critics with more made up lies and nonsense and unrelated garbage. And claim the "high ground" of ignoring his critics. Typical Tommy.
> re: more made up lies and nonsense???
>
> I'm not sure that you are correct here as more and more, as Tommy
> posts this and that, I believe it is becoming more apparent that he
> really does believe all this bumph that he posts.

But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and nonsense. But every other human being alive, with a brain, knows they are lies and nonsense. Isn't that enough to classify them as lies and nonsense? Similar to the flat earth people. They believe the earth is flat. Just because they believe it does not make it anything other than lies and nonsense. Or the Qanon Republicans. They believe George Soros and Bill Gates are implanting micro chips in people's brains and using Nazi space lasers to mind control them. They truly believe this. That still does not mean it is not lies and nonsense. Trump says he won the 2020 presidential election. Lies and nonsense.

After all he has
> admitted to falling off his bike and bumping his head, and being
> essentially insane for two years or more. Perhaps his continued
> posting of bizarre statements is simply a more recent manifestation of
> this dementia.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Tue, 3 May 2022 13:56:57 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:

>How gracious of you (and I state that with the utmost sincerity), considering he regularly denigrates you for his perception of your intellect and some notion that you have a physical handicap.

Thanks. I try to be fair with everyone I deal with. Carrying a
grudge and declaring everything someone does is wrong, evil,
unethical, etc, doesn't work for me. Also, everyone makes mistakes. I
try to provide the necessary corrections. There's no need for
subsequent insults.

>2FA is disabled by default in google. You have to dig a couple of layers down in the security settings and they don't call it "two factor authentication", rather "2-step verification". Again, this is incredibly basic stuff, well within the grasp of any reasonably competent user.

I had a hell of time dealing with Google's enhanced security, which
eventually included OAuth2 authentication and a "less secure" apps:
<https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255>
For 2FA, I use the Google Authenticator App:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.authenticator2>
The main culprit was Google Office, also known as G-Suite and Google
Workplace, which required OAuth2, but also had a bug that would not
allow some programs to change authentication methods from ordinary
passwords to OAuth2. One was Mozilla Thunderbird email. Google
contrived the "less secure" work-around, until they could fix the bug.
Support for "less secure" goes away on May 20, 2022. I expect to be
very busy around that date.

Of course, once I determined what Google was doing, how the bug
worked, decoded the buzz words and had everything working, it was as
you say "incredibly basic stuff". In Tom's case, there probably was
no 2FA authentication involved, so Tom was probably tasked with
identifying whether his operating system login or his Google login was
controlling the account name. Yeah, it's easy, but I thought a little
help might be useful.

>More proof that he isn't killfiling anyone.

He never did any kind of filtering. He's using Google Groups for
reading and posting Usenet news, which lacks such a filter feature.

>And your customers call you because they realize they don't have the background and/or expertise to solve these problems.

Nope. There is an entire spectrum of reasons people ask me instead of
trying to solve the problem themselves. They vary from being too busy
(or lazy) to not wanting to break anything. Most of the time, they
just call me for initial direction and some things to try. I just got
off the phone with a customer that had a black line on everything she
scanned. She called me for advice on a new printer. I told her to
scrape the White-Out blob off the scanner window. I think the last
time Tom announce that he had a computer complaint in R.B.T. was when
he decided that Yahoo was blocking his account. Three days later, he
finally fixed it, allegedly by rebooting the computer. I doubt that
was the full solution, but at least he stopped blaming Yahoo for his
problem.

>I have two google accounts that I use for various purposes. I have on more than a few occasions posted here in this group under my other account by accident (very recently in fact).

I think I have about 8 email addresses and accounts. Maybe more. They
arrive with Microsoft, Comcast, AT&T, Yahoo, various email services,
and of course Google. I have 4 Google accounts, 2 of which are used
for testing, 1 for banking, and 1 as a backup email address. I used to
have at least twice as many accounts. I would forward my email to
these accounts to one email address so that I could read them all in
one account. That resulted in about 10 times as much spam as I might
expect to receive with a single email address. Oops. My compromise
solution was to downsize to 8 email address, and stop forwarding my
email.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue, 3 May 2022 21:29:22 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and nonsense.

I also suspect that Tom believes what he writes. However, it doesn't
seem to matter whether it's real or imaginary. It's his repetition
that makes it real. Repeat a lie often enough, and eventually there
will be believers, starting with the person delivering the lie (not
the person who created the lie - they know better). This is why
chanting is effective in political protests and riots.

This is easy to demonstrate. When I write, I use a spelling checker.
Think of it as my "fact checker". The various text editors I use all
flag the words I misspell and offer at least one correction. I've
noticed that there are certain common words that I spell wrong every
time I write them. No matter how many times I see them marked as
misspelled and are subsequently corrected, I repeat the mistake. In
other words, I believe my misspelling and not the correction.

When we're young, we try new things, make mistakes, deal with
corrections, and learn much faster, easier, and more reliably than
when we get older. The older brain becomes less pliable and new
things are more difficult to learn. In effect, what we know has
become ossified (turned to stone) and no amount of persuasion will
produce any changes. That is what is likely happening to my spelling,
and is a possible explanation for Tom's unwillingness to accept
reality.

There's also the problem of control. In a world of truth and reality,
someone else usually controls what is considered to be true. However,
if one disseminates lies, they control what it true and what is not.
If someone has lost control of their life, or considers themselves a
failure in life, controlling their life becomes very important.
Besides attracting attention, retaining control might be another
reason for why Tom prefers to lie.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue, 3 May 2022 21:29:22 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:08:41 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 May 2022 15:00:40 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 2:44:50 AM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 2 May 2022 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT), Ann Kunich
>> >> <elizabet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ummm... Tom, it's not fixed. Open your browser and go thee unto:
>> >> <http://www.google.com>
>> >> Near the upper right hand corner of the web browser window, you'll see
>> >> either Ann's photo, or some kind of icon with her initials. Left
>> >> click on the photo or icon. A menu should appear. Left click
>> >> "Sign-Out". She should now be signed out of Google. Left click on
>> >> "Sign-In". This time, login as cycl...@gmail.com and not as
>> >> elizabet...@gmail.com.
>> >>
>> >> Note: Tech support after midnight will be billed at double daytime
>> >> rates.
>> >> --
>> >> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>> >> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> >> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> >> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>> >
>> >Thanks Jeff. I knew something was wrong about this post but did not put it all together. Tommy boy is using his wife's (ex-wife, new wife, 3rd wife, 2nd divorced wife, wife-in-law, etc. whatever happened in Reno) account to view all of the critical posts he claims to have banished/deleted so he does not have to read his detractors. Apparently Tommy boy wants to respond to his critics with more made up lies and nonsense and unrelated garbage. And claim the "high ground" of ignoring his critics. Typical Tommy.
>> re: more made up lies and nonsense???
>>
>> I'm not sure that you are correct here as more and more, as Tommy
>> posts this and that, I believe it is becoming more apparent that he
>> really does believe all this bumph that he posts.
>
>But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and nonsense. But every other human being alive, with a brain, knows they are lies and nonsense. Isn't that enough to classify them as lies and nonsense? Similar to the flat earth people. They believe the earth is flat. Just because they believe it does not make it anything other than lies and nonsense. Or the Qanon Republicans. They believe George Soros and Bill Gates are implanting micro chips in people's brains and using Nazi space lasers to mind control them. They truly believe this. That still does not mean it is not lies and nonsense. Trump says he won the 2020 presidential election. Lies and nonsense.

Well true is true and false is false and they are absolutes. But, one
can honestly believe and advocate something that is entirely false and
I don't believe that they can then be accused of lying.

I'm, admittedly, being a little philosophical here but if you tell me
something that you truly believe then I wouldn't say that you were
lying although your belief may be entirely incorrect. I believe that
it would be far more accurate say that "you don't know what you are
talking about".

Note I am referring to things that are, or are not, as opposed to
abstract "truths".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/3/2022 9:22 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 6:27:06 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> On 5/3/2022 3:10 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:58:12 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> I wonder which fake news web site he came up with 97% losses from.
>>>
>>> I am sure if you make the electric line long enough, you will get 97% loss. Such as around the world.
>> The circumference of the Earth is about 40,000 km. At 3.5% loss per 1000
>> km the compounded losses to go around the earth with HVDC would be about
>> 75%, leaving 25% of the generated power. You'd have to go around the
>> earth about two and a half times to have 97% losses.
>>
>> Clearly we need to improve the educational system in the U.S..
>
> Was that comment directed at me?

No.

On 5/3/2022 9:29 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:

<snip>

> But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and nonsense. But every other human being alive, with a brain, knows they are lies and nonsense. Isn't that enough to classify them as lies and nonsense? Similar to the flat earth people. They believe the earth is flat. Just because they believe it does not make it anything other than lies and nonsense. Or the Qanon Republicans. They believe George Soros and Bill Gates are implanting micro chips in people's brains and using Nazi space lasers to mind control them. They truly believe this. That still does not mean it is not lies and nonsense. Trump says he won the 2020 presidential election. Lies and nonsense.

Trump normalized ignorance and empowered the ignorant. People may laugh
at Tom's ignorance but the reality is that such ignorance can and does
have deadly consequences. We're at 993,000 official Covid deaths in the
U.S., with the actual number predicted to be about 36% higher
<https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2020/us-covid-deaths-may-be-undercounted-by-36-percent/>.

There are costs in accommodating endemic dumb behavior.

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:11:56 AM UTC-4, sms wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 9:29 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and nonsense. But every other human being alive, with a brain, knows they are lies and nonsense. Isn't that enough to classify them as lies and nonsense? Similar to the flat earth people. They believe the earth is flat. Just because they believe it does not make it anything other than lies and nonsense. Or the Qanon Republicans. They believe George Soros and Bill Gates are implanting micro chips in people's brains and using Nazi space lasers to mind control them. They truly believe this. That still does not mean it is not lies and nonsense. Trump says he won the 2020 presidential election. Lies and nonsense.
>
> Trump normalized ignorance and empowered the ignorant.

When trump won his first primary I came to the conclusion that it was in large part because he gave raging assholes license to be raging assholes.

> People may laugh
> at Tom's ignorance but the reality is that such ignorance can and does
> have deadly consequences. We're at 993,000 official Covid deaths in the
> U.S., with the actual number predicted to be about 36% higher
> <https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2020/us-covid-deaths-may-be-undercounted-by-36-percent/>.
>
> There are costs in accommodating endemic dumb behavior.

Exactly. The covid pandemic was a symptom of a greater disease affecting the country - MAGAtardism (a.k.a. TDS).

On 5/4/2022 5:49 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> When trump won his first primary I came to the conclusion that it was in large part because he gave raging assholes license to be raging assholes.

+1, emphatically.

--
- Frank Krygowski

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 9:29 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a
>> lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and
>> nonsense. But every other human being alive, with a brain, knows they
>> are lies and nonsense. Isn't that enough to classify them as lies and
>> nonsense? Similar to the flat earth people. They believe the earth is
>> flat. Just because they believe it does not make it anything other than
>> lies and nonsense. Or the Qanon Republicans. They believe George Soros
>> and Bill Gates are implanting micro chips in people's brains and using
>> Nazi space lasers to mind control them. They truly believe this. That
>> still does not mean it is not lies and nonsense. Trump says he won the
>> 2020 presidential election. Lies and nonsense.
>
> Trump normalized ignorance and empowered the ignorant. People may laugh
> at Tom's ignorance but the reality is that such ignorance can and does
> have deadly consequences. We're at 993,000 official Covid deaths in the
> U.S., with the actual number predicted to be about 36% higher
> <https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2020/us-covid-deaths-may-be-undercounted-by-36-percent/>.
>
> There are costs in accommodating endemic dumb behavior.
>
With all countries counting deaths by different means does get into “lies,
dammed lies and statistics” quote!

This said FT paper who has a COVID19 statistics page

https://www.ft.com/coronavirusfree

Has expected vs actual deaths and I think I’ve seen such data else where.
But either way would seem believeable data.

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:26:46 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/3/2022 9:29 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a
> >> lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and
> >> nonsense. But every other human being alive, with a brain, knows they
> >> are lies and nonsense. Isn't that enough to classify them as lies and
> >> nonsense? Similar to the flat earth people. They believe the earth is
> >> flat. Just because they believe it does not make it anything other than
> >> lies and nonsense. Or the Qanon Republicans. They believe George Soros
> >> and Bill Gates are implanting micro chips in people's brains and using
> >> Nazi space lasers to mind control them. They truly believe this. That
> >> still does not mean it is not lies and nonsense. Trump says he won the
> >> 2020 presidential election. Lies and nonsense.
> >
> > Trump normalized ignorance and empowered the ignorant. People may laugh
> > at Tom's ignorance but the reality is that such ignorance can and does
> > have deadly consequences. We're at 993,000 official Covid deaths in the
> > U.S., with the actual number predicted to be about 36% higher
> > <https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2020/us-covid-deaths-may-be-undercounted-by-36-percent/>.
> >
> > There are costs in accommodating endemic dumb behavior.
> >
> With all countries counting deaths by different means does get into “lies,
> dammed lies and statistics” quote!
>
> This said FT paper who has a COVID19 statistics page
>
> https://www.ft.com/coronavirusfree
>
> Has expected vs actual deaths and I think I’ve seen such data else where.
> But either way would seem believeable data.

The question I would ask you Roger is WHAT data would you interpret as reliable? We have seen the world wide growth of Fascism as part of a "pandemic" that was "predicted: by Fauci in 2017 and declared by the WHO in 2019 before there were any deaths.

I have shown you actual CDC statistics that identify people that died from respiratory diseases as only 8,000 people.

But the CDC that is directed by Fauci has said many other things - that a million people ABOVE NORMAL have died from a disease that the statistics say otherwise. Fauci and his scandalous group has even redefined death! The normal progression of natural death from old age is to get more and more heart problems until you are bedridden where upon with lack of exercise and the ability to properly clear your lungs you develop pneumonia and die. 80% of ALL deaths are from this cause.

The CDC no longer counts this as death from a respiratory disease despite the fact that it is. This is now classified under the heading of circulatory disease deaths. I wouldn't argue with this were they to simply SAY that is what they have done.

There are more and more doctors investigating covid-19 now and they are saying the same thing I have been saying all along. You haven't heard much of them? Thank people like the Slime Stream Media who actually censor or hide these opinions. This is WHY the panic over the purchase of Twitter by Elon Musk. If indeed he does allow free and open speech, more and more honest information gets out there to show the hideous crimes that were used by the Democrats to defraud this country's elections.

Do you need MORE proof that covid-19 is and always was a fake pandemic? https://www.statista.com/statistics/883227/revenue-of-funeral-homes-in-the-us/

Even the far leftists here are either totally convinced by the Fauci lie or believe in spreading it for political reasons.

Why are they continuing to carry this on?

Now I heard Fauci say in a speech that he had made $9 Million off of this pandemic. If you trust the Slime Stream Media at all just TRY and find that on Google.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:26:46 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/3/2022 9:29 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a
>>>> lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and
>>>> nonsense. But every other human being alive, with a brain, knows they
>>>> are lies and nonsense. Isn't that enough to classify them as lies and
>>>> nonsense? Similar to the flat earth people. They believe the earth is
>>>> flat. Just because they believe it does not make it anything other than
>>>> lies and nonsense. Or the Qanon Republicans. They believe George Soros
>>>> and Bill Gates are implanting micro chips in people's brains and using
>>>> Nazi space lasers to mind control them. They truly believe this. That
>>>> still does not mean it is not lies and nonsense. Trump says he won the
>>>> 2020 presidential election. Lies and nonsense.
>>>
>>> Trump normalized ignorance and empowered the ignorant. People may laugh
>>> at Tom's ignorance but the reality is that such ignorance can and does
>>> have deadly consequences. We're at 993,000 official Covid deaths in the
>>> U.S., with the actual number predicted to be about 36% higher
>>> <https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2020/us-covid-deaths-may-be-undercounted-by-36-percent/>.
>>>
>>>
>>> There are costs in accommodating endemic dumb behavior.
>>>
>> With all countries counting deaths by different means does get into “lies,
>> dammed lies and statistics” quote!
>>
>> This said FT paper who has a COVID19 statistics page
>>
>> https://www.ft.com/coronavirusfree
>>
>> Has expected vs actual deaths and I think I’ve seen such data else where.
>> But either way would seem believeable data.
>
> The question I would ask you Roger is WHAT data would you interpret as
> reliable? We have seen the world wide growth of Fascism as part of a
> "pandemic" that was "predicted: by Fauci in 2017 and declared by the WHO
> in 2019 before there were any deaths.
>
> I have shown you actual CDC statistics that identify people that died
> from respiratory diseases as only 8,000 people.
>
> But the CDC that is directed by Fauci has said many other things - that a
> million people ABOVE NORMAL have died from a disease that the statistics
> say otherwise. Fauci and his scandalous group has even redefined death!
> The normal progression of natural death from old age is to get more and
> more heart problems until you are bedridden where upon with lack of
> exercise and the ability to properly clear your lungs you develop
> pneumonia and die. 80% of ALL deaths are from this cause.
>
> The CDC no longer counts this as death from a respiratory disease despite
> the fact that it is. This is now classified under the heading of
> circulatory disease deaths. I wouldn't argue with this were they to
> simply SAY that is what they have done.
>
> There are more and more doctors investigating covid-19 now and they are
> saying the same thing I have been saying all along. You haven't heard
> much of them? Thank people like the Slime Stream Media who actually
> censor or hide these opinions. This is WHY the panic over the purchase of
> Twitter by Elon Musk. If indeed he does allow free and open speech, more
> and more honest information gets out there to show the hideous crimes
> that were used by the Democrats to defraud this country's elections.
>
> Do you need MORE proof that covid-19 is and always was a fake pandemic?
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/883227/revenue-of-funeral-homes-in-the-us/
>
> Even the far leftists here are either totally convinced by the Fauci lie
> or believe in spreading it for political reasons.
>
> Why are they continuing to carry this on?
>
> Now I heard Fauci say in a speech that he had made $9 Million off of this
> pandemic. If you trust the Slime Stream Media at all just TRY and find that on Google.
>
Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.

Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:31:22 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:26:46 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 5/3/2022 9:29 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>>> But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a
> >>>> lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and
> >>>> nonsense. But every other human being alive, with a brain, knows they
> >>>> are lies and nonsense. Isn't that enough to classify them as lies and
> >>>> nonsense? Similar to the flat earth people. They believe the earth is
> >>>> flat. Just because they believe it does not make it anything other than
> >>>> lies and nonsense. Or the Qanon Republicans. They believe George Soros
> >>>> and Bill Gates are implanting micro chips in people's brains and using
> >>>> Nazi space lasers to mind control them. They truly believe this. That
> >>>> still does not mean it is not lies and nonsense. Trump says he won the
> >>>> 2020 presidential election. Lies and nonsense.
> >>>
> >>> Trump normalized ignorance and empowered the ignorant. People may laugh
> >>> at Tom's ignorance but the reality is that such ignorance can and does
> >>> have deadly consequences. We're at 993,000 official Covid deaths in the
> >>> U.S., with the actual number predicted to be about 36% higher
> >>> <https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2020/us-covid-deaths-may-be-undercounted-by-36-percent/>.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There are costs in accommodating endemic dumb behavior.
> >>>
> >> With all countries counting deaths by different means does get into “lies,
> >> dammed lies and statistics” quote!
> >>
> >> This said FT paper who has a COVID19 statistics page
> >>
> >> https://www.ft.com/coronavirusfree
> >>
> >> Has expected vs actual deaths and I think I’ve seen such data else where.
> >> But either way would seem believeable data.
> >
> > The question I would ask you Roger is WHAT data would you interpret as
> > reliable? We have seen the world wide growth of Fascism as part of a
> > "pandemic" that was "predicted: by Fauci in 2017 and declared by the WHO
> > in 2019 before there were any deaths.
> >
> > I have shown you actual CDC statistics that identify people that died
> > from respiratory diseases as only 8,000 people.
> >
> > But the CDC that is directed by Fauci has said many other things - that a
> > million people ABOVE NORMAL have died from a disease that the statistics
> > say otherwise. Fauci and his scandalous group has even redefined death!
> > The normal progression of natural death from old age is to get more and
> > more heart problems until you are bedridden where upon with lack of
> > exercise and the ability to properly clear your lungs you develop
> > pneumonia and die. 80% of ALL deaths are from this cause.
> >
> > The CDC no longer counts this as death from a respiratory disease despite
> > the fact that it is. This is now classified under the heading of
> > circulatory disease deaths. I wouldn't argue with this were they to
> > simply SAY that is what they have done.
> >
> > There are more and more doctors investigating covid-19 now and they are
> > saying the same thing I have been saying all along. You haven't heard
> > much of them? Thank people like the Slime Stream Media who actually
> > censor or hide these opinions. This is WHY the panic over the purchase of
> > Twitter by Elon Musk. If indeed he does allow free and open speech, more
> > and more honest information gets out there to show the hideous crimes
> > that were used by the Democrats to defraud this country's elections.
> >
> > Do you need MORE proof that covid-19 is and always was a fake pandemic?
> > https://www.statista.com/statistics/883227/revenue-of-funeral-homes-in-the-us/
> >
> > Even the far leftists here are either totally convinced by the Fauci lie
> > or believe in spreading it for political reasons.
> >
> > Why are they continuing to carry this on?
> >
> > Now I heard Fauci say in a speech that he had made $9 Million off of this
> > pandemic. If you trust the Slime Stream Media at all just TRY and find that on Google.
> >
> Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
>
> Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.

Roget, I have provided the facts before. Plus think about this: The CLAIM of a million dead was mostly in 2021 and that would have been at least a 25% increase in deaths above normal . The Statistica page I referred to showed NO increase in mortuary profits above normal population growth.

But if you need the CDC statistics page again: Follow these directions on the final site. Scroll down the page to "Options" go to the far right and mark "Weekly Number of Deaths by Cause Group" then hit "Update Dashboard" button. Below that are charts that show that the ONLY small peak in extra deaths from covid-19 was in April of 2020. Go back to "Options" and mark "Total number above average by cause" and update again. The chart below shows the ACTUAL number of deaths is about 8,000 people. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

On 5/4/2022 3:31 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

<snip>

> Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
>
> Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.

With the Covid death rates, the big question is how large the unreported
death rate is. Estimates in the U.S. range from 20%-36%.

<https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/underreporting-covid-19-deaths/>.

On Wed, 4 May 2022 18:40:17 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 5/4/2022 3:31 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
>>
>> Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.
>
>With the Covid death rates, the big question is how large the unreported
>death rate is. Estimates in the U.S. range from 20%-36%.
>
><https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/underreporting-covid-19-deaths/>.

As I understand it the CDC counts deaths by the "Primary Cause of
Death" listed on the certificate filed by the attending doctor, or
maybe health service.

So, it is quite possible that a patient with Covid actually dies of
the broken leg he got in the bicycle crash on his way to the hospital
so the cause of death might be listed as "broken leg". However, if the
patient had taken the bus to the hospital then he might have died of
the Covid.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:56:08 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Roget, I have provided the facts before.

No you haven't, Tom. You've provided only your fantasies and your misreadings of mostly out-of-date websites.

Nobody here believes your purported "facts." That's because they are so obviously wrong. That's why NOBODY
is listening to you.

None of those trained in medicine or epidemiology pay any attention to you. None of those responsible for public
health pay you any mind. NOBODY of any consequence is influenced by your postings. You're wasting your time
and ours.

- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 4 May 2022 19:11:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 5:56:08 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Roget, I have provided the facts before.
>
>No you haven't, Tom. You've provided only your fantasies and your misreadings of mostly out-of-date websites.
>
>Nobody here believes your purported "facts." That's because they are so obviously wrong. That's why NOBODY
>is listening to you.
>
>None of those trained in medicine or epidemiology pay any attention to you. None of those responsible for public
>health pay you any mind. NOBODY of any consequence is influenced by your postings. You're wasting your time
>and ours.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Frank, I keep telling you that for Tommy facts don't matter. He posts
and this allows him to "swank about" telling himself "See I told
them!" And that's what counts, "I Told Them!" Never mind that what he
says is wildly inaccurate, it doesn't matter, what matters is He Told
Them!

Reality just doesn't enter into Tommy's life, even a little bit.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 7:56:08 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:31:22 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 11:26:46 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > >> sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > >>> On 5/3/2022 9:29 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> <snip>
> > >>>
> > >>>> But does the person stating the lie and nonsense affect whether it is a
> > >>>> lie and nonsense? I do believe Tommy boy does believe his lies and
> > >>>> nonsense. But every other human being alive, with a brain, knows they
> > >>>> are lies and nonsense. Isn't that enough to classify them as lies and
> > >>>> nonsense? Similar to the flat earth people. They believe the earth is
> > >>>> flat. Just because they believe it does not make it anything other than
> > >>>> lies and nonsense. Or the Qanon Republicans. They believe George Soros
> > >>>> and Bill Gates are implanting micro chips in people's brains and using
> > >>>> Nazi space lasers to mind control them. They truly believe this. That
> > >>>> still does not mean it is not lies and nonsense. Trump says he won the
> > >>>> 2020 presidential election. Lies and nonsense.
> > >>>
> > >>> Trump normalized ignorance and empowered the ignorant. People may laugh
> > >>> at Tom's ignorance but the reality is that such ignorance can and does
> > >>> have deadly consequences. We're at 993,000 official Covid deaths in the
> > >>> U.S., with the actual number predicted to be about 36% higher
> > >>> <https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2020/us-covid-deaths-may-be-undercounted-by-36-percent/>.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> There are costs in accommodating endemic dumb behavior.
> > >>>
> > >> With all countries counting deaths by different means does get into “lies,
> > >> dammed lies and statistics” quote!
> > >>
> > >> This said FT paper who has a COVID19 statistics page
> > >>
> > >> https://www.ft.com/coronavirusfree
> > >>
> > >> Has expected vs actual deaths and I think I’ve seen such data else where.
> > >> But either way would seem believeable data.
> > >
> > > The question I would ask you Roger is WHAT data would you interpret as
> > > reliable? We have seen the world wide growth of Fascism as part of a
> > > "pandemic" that was "predicted: by Fauci in 2017 and declared by the WHO
> > > in 2019 before there were any deaths.
> > >
> > > I have shown you actual CDC statistics that identify people that died
> > > from respiratory diseases as only 8,000 people.
> > >
> > > But the CDC that is directed by Fauci has said many other things - that a
> > > million people ABOVE NORMAL have died from a disease that the statistics
> > > say otherwise. Fauci and his scandalous group has even redefined death!
> > > The normal progression of natural death from old age is to get more and
> > > more heart problems until you are bedridden where upon with lack of
> > > exercise and the ability to properly clear your lungs you develop
> > > pneumonia and die. 80% of ALL deaths are from this cause.
> > >
> > > The CDC no longer counts this as death from a respiratory disease despite
> > > the fact that it is. This is now classified under the heading of
> > > circulatory disease deaths. I wouldn't argue with this were they to
> > > simply SAY that is what they have done.
> > >
> > > There are more and more doctors investigating covid-19 now and they are
> > > saying the same thing I have been saying all along. You haven't heard
> > > much of them? Thank people like the Slime Stream Media who actually
> > > censor or hide these opinions. This is WHY the panic over the purchase of
> > > Twitter by Elon Musk. If indeed he does allow free and open speech, more
> > > and more honest information gets out there to show the hideous crimes
> > > that were used by the Democrats to defraud this country's elections.
> > >
> > > Do you need MORE proof that covid-19 is and always was a fake pandemic?
> > > https://www.statista.com/statistics/883227/revenue-of-funeral-homes-in-the-us/
> > >
> > > Even the far leftists here are either totally convinced by the Fauci lie
> > > or believe in spreading it for political reasons.
> > >
> > > Why are they continuing to carry this on?
> > >
> > > Now I heard Fauci say in a speech that he had made $9 Million off of this
> > > pandemic. If you trust the Slime Stream Media at all just TRY and find that on Google.
> > >
> > Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
> >
> > Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.
> Roget, I have provided the facts before. Plus think about this: The CLAIM of a million dead was mostly in 2021 and that would have been at least a 25% increase in deaths above normal . The Statistica page I referred to showed NO increase in mortuary profits above normal population growth.
>

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/stories/2022/03/united-states-deaths-spiked-as-covid-19-continued-table-1.jpg
18.75% increase in deaths from 2019 to 2020. Due to Covid-19. You even guessed wrong, lied, about that 25% increase you made up out of thin air.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/stories/2022/03/united-states-deaths-spiked-as-covid-19-continued-figure-1.jpg
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/03/united-states-deaths-spiked-as-covid-19-continued.html

Why are you trying to correlate mortuary business profits to Covid deaths? I am guessing its because you think with more dead people, therefore, mortuary businesses must make lots of profit. Not true. Mortuary business makes its business from selling caskets and tombstones and selling the use of its funeral parlor for viewing. Can't do any of that if Covid causes no crowds to gather and people cremate the dead. Cremation is cheap.

Tommy, why don't you just look at all of the extra dead people in 2020 and 2021 compared to prior years. Covid killed them. Even an uneducated dropout like you should be able to figure that out. But apparently not.

Table 1 above shows 2,854,838 dead in 2019. 3,390,029 dead in 2020. 3,417,925 dead in 2021. An extra 550,000 dead in the past two years compared to prior years. Apparently that is too simple for Tommy boy to understand. Sad. Very sad. Tommy, I do feel deep sympathy for you. Your life must be a continuous hell and anguish. Trying to live with such minimal thinking ability.

> But if you need the CDC statistics page again: Follow these directions on the final site. Scroll down the page to "Options" go to the far right and mark "Weekly Number of Deaths by Cause Group" then hit "Update Dashboard" button. Below that are charts that show that the ONLY small peak in extra deaths from covid-19 was in April of 2020. Go back to "Options" and mark "Total number above average by cause" and update again. The chart below shows the ACTUAL number of deaths is about 8,000 people. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 8:57:22 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 4 May 2022 18:40:17 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
> >On 5/4/2022 3:31 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> Data has to be provable ie provide sources so if one wants one can check.
> >>
> >> Or it’s simply opinion dressed up as facts.
> >
> >With the Covid death rates, the big question is how large the unreported
> >death rate is. Estimates in the U.S. range from 20%-36%.
> >
> ><https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/underreporting-covid-19-deaths/>.
> As I understand it the CDC counts deaths by the "Primary Cause of
> Death" listed on the certificate filed by the attending doctor, or
> maybe health service.
>
> So, it is quite possible that a patient with Covid actually dies of
> the broken leg he got in the bicycle crash on his way to the hospital
> so the cause of death might be listed as "broken leg". However, if the
> patient had taken the bus to the hospital then he might have died of
> the Covid.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Unless he stepped in front of the bus after he got off of it at the hospital and the bus ran him over. Then the death certificate would probably say "idiot walked in front of a bus and got run over, doofus". Covid might still be listed as a comorbidity. I can actually imagine Tommy boy taking a bus to the hospital and getting run over by the bus. Then ending up in heaven, or hell (more likely), and ranting and raving about getting run over and God, or the Devil, chasing him away with a stick.

On Wed, 4 May 2022 17:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>The chart below shows the ACTUAL number of deaths is about 8,000 people. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Is that 8,000 deaths per week, month, year, or for the extent of the
pandemic?

Could I trouble you to show me where on that web page it shows only
8,000 "ACTUAL" deaths? From the tabular data to Feb 5, 2022, the CDC
page shows 81,062 observed deaths per week, which is 10 times what you
might be claiming if it was 8,000 per week. I also couldn't find a
definition of what "ACTUAL" might indicate or even the use of the word
on the CDC page.

--
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