On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
> > On 5/16/2023 9:36 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> But re cats on the roof... electricity doesn't work that way. You
> >> can
> >> sit on a 4,000 volt transmission line with no problems at all.... as
> >> long as you don't touch anything but the line (:-) So cats jumping up
> >> on the roof probably wouldn't feel a thing (:-)
> >
> > At one place we lived for a while long ago, we had problems with large
> > neighborhood dogs allowed to run free at night. It was not unusual for
> > them to overturn our garbage cans. Eventually I ran a hot line to the
> > garbage cans. I knew there was some risk, so I plugged it in last
> > thing at night and unplugged first thing in the morning.
> >
> > Within a day or two we were awakened by a dog yelping loudly and
> > running away. The problem never returned.
> I don't suppose you put a "Danger, high voltage" sign up? Dogs can't read..
>
> I can't help imagining a neighbor. I'll call her Mrs. White, after a
> neighbor I had when young. I picture her grey haired, nearly as old as
> you are now, but since they put that new fangled heart pacemaker in she
> can't sleep through the dawn. She takes a walk past your house, just to
> get some air, and notices a bit of trash in your driveway. Being a
> sweet old bird, she picks it up to throw it in your bin.
>
> Mrs. White:
> (thinks) Oh my Jesus! I've shook hands with the Devil and he won't let go!
> (says) RRRRrrRRRrrrRRRrrrRRrRrRrrrr
>
> I know, I know. Those neighbors were all no account white trash

I'd say the ones that let their dogs run loose all night very likely were.

> that would no more take the notion of walking anywhere in a morning with a
> perfectly good black pickup in the driveway than they would of flapping
> their arms to fly to the moon. And she had it coming. You would never
> step in *her* driveway, one of those crackers might shoot you. F*ck
> them if they can't take a 120V joke.
>
> It's just a thought experiment. Suppose Mrs. White *dies*? How many
> months of prison time do you supppose that would merit?

For what it's worth, this was not in anything like a typical American suburban
neighborhood. It was miles out of town, and our property was on the corner of
a minor road and a gravel road. Not the sort of place that many people took
walks of any kind, let alone in the morning.

I knew there was some risk, but I judged it to be tiny and worthwhile.
And it turned out that I was right. The dogs never came back. You're
arguing against success.

- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 4:00:37 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Aside from the fact that I'm an EE and here in California neutral lines are grounded at the pole transformers that was confirmed by my brother who is a licensed electrician. This may not be the case in every state but I do not have a third wire ground and have never received a shock from the neutral to ground. However, taking precautions has never killed people.

Picture this. You are using something that draws a good bit of current, maybe a hair dryer. Suddenly it stops. You set it down, puzzled. Must have tripped a breaker, so you go look. Nope, it's fine.

Meanwhile your wife is doing some drywall repairs and she has accidentally cut the neutral to that circuit somewhere closer to the panel.

Now, that neutral is hot all the way from the panel to where she cut it. Current is feeding from the panel to the hair dryer on the hot, and continuing back until the break in the neutral. If you touch that neutral anywhere along that, and also touch ground, your hair dryer will start up, and you will get a shock.

I don't think that would trip the GFCI that you plugged into, because current on hot and neutral will be equal, but I'm not sure.

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7, Tim R wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 4:00:37 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > Aside from the fact that I'm an EE and here in California neutral lines are grounded at the pole transformers that was confirmed by my brother who is a licensed electrician. This may not be the case in every state but I do not have a third wire ground and have never received a shock from the neutral to ground. However, taking precautions has never killed people.
>
> Picture this. You are using something that draws a good bit of current, maybe a hair dryer. Suddenly it stops. You set it down, puzzled. Must have tripped a breaker, so you go look. Nope, it's fine.
>
> Meanwhile your wife is doing some drywall repairs and she has accidentally cut the neutral to that circuit somewhere closer to the panel.
>
> Now, that neutral is hot all the way from the panel to where she cut it. Current is feeding from the panel to the hair dryer on the hot, and continuing back until the break in the neutral. If you touch that neutral anywhere along that, and also touch ground, your hair dryer will start up, and you will get a shock.
>
> I don't think that would trip the GFCI that you plugged into, because current on hot and neutral will be equal, but I'm not sure.

When did the discussion turn from that way things are to the ways and and means by which normalcy could be over ridden? Working on the drywall? My wife won't even sweep the floor. She considers it a sign of prosperity to never do any housework at all.

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
> > On 5/16/2023 9:36 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> But re cats on the roof... electricity doesn't work that way. You
> >> can
> >> sit on a 4,000 volt transmission line with no problems at all.... as
> >> long as you don't touch anything but the line (:-) So cats jumping up
> >> on the roof probably wouldn't feel a thing (:-)
> >
> > At one place we lived for a while long ago, we had problems with large
> > neighborhood dogs allowed to run free at night. It was not unusual for
> > them to overturn our garbage cans. Eventually I ran a hot line to the
> > garbage cans. I knew there was some risk, so I plugged it in last
> > thing at night and unplugged first thing in the morning.
> >
> > Within a day or two we were awakened by a dog yelping loudly and
> > running away. The problem never returned.
> I don't suppose you put a "Danger, high voltage" sign up? Dogs can't read..
>
> I can't help imagining a neighbor. I'll call her Mrs. White, after a
> neighbor I had when young. I picture her grey haired, nearly as old as
> you are now, but since they put that new fangled heart pacemaker in she
> can't sleep through the dawn. She takes a walk past your house, just to
> get some air, and notices a bit of trash in your driveway. Being a
> sweet old bird, she picks it up to throw it in your bin.
>
> Mrs. White:
> (thinks) Oh my Jesus! I've shook hands with the Devil and he won't let go!
> (says) RRRRrrRRRrrrRRRrrrRRrRrRrrrr
>
> I know, I know. Those neighbors were all no account white trash that
> would no more take the notion of walking anywhere in a morning with a
> perfectly good black pickup in the driveway than they would of flapping
> their arms to fly to the moon. And she had it coming. You would never
> step in *her* driveway, one of those crackers might shoot you. F*ck
> them if they can't take a 120V joke.
>
> It's just a thought experiment. Suppose Mrs. White *dies*? How many
> months of prison time do you supppose that would merit?
>
> Just about the wimpiest electric fence transformer you can buy is more
> than enough to impress any but the toughest of dogs. I put one up once,
> but it was to keep the dogs in, not out. Worked great.

When I read that I was thinking he better have personal liability insurance, because homeowners insurance ain't gonna cover that....

On 5/18/2023 5:53 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 5/16/2023 9:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> But re cats on the roof... electricity doesn't work that way. You
>>>> can
>>>> sit on a 4,000 volt transmission line with no problems at all.... as
>>>> long as you don't touch anything but the line (:-) So cats jumping up
>>>> on the roof probably wouldn't feel a thing (:-)
>>>
>>> At one place we lived for a while long ago, we had problems with large
>>> neighborhood dogs allowed to run free at night. It was not unusual for
>>> them to overturn our garbage cans. Eventually I ran a hot line to the
>>> garbage cans. I knew there was some risk, so I plugged it in last
>>> thing at night and unplugged first thing in the morning.
>>>
>>> Within a day or two we were awakened by a dog yelping loudly and
>>> running away. The problem never returned.
>> I don't suppose you put a "Danger, high voltage" sign up? Dogs can't read.
>>
>> I can't help imagining a neighbor. I'll call her Mrs. White, after a
>> neighbor I had when young. I picture her grey haired, nearly as old as
>> you are now, but since they put that new fangled heart pacemaker in she
>> can't sleep through the dawn. She takes a walk past your house, just to
>> get some air, and notices a bit of trash in your driveway. Being a
>> sweet old bird, she picks it up to throw it in your bin.
>>
>> Mrs. White:
>> (thinks) Oh my Jesus! I've shook hands with the Devil and he won't let go!
>> (says) RRRRrrRRRrrrRRRrrrRRrRrRrrrr
>>
>> I know, I know. Those neighbors were all no account white trash that
>> would no more take the notion of walking anywhere in a morning with a
>> perfectly good black pickup in the driveway than they would of flapping
>> their arms to fly to the moon. And she had it coming. You would never
>> step in *her* driveway, one of those crackers might shoot you. F*ck
>> them if they can't take a 120V joke.
>>
>> It's just a thought experiment. Suppose Mrs. White *dies*? How many
>> months of prison time do you supppose that would merit?
>>
>> Just about the wimpiest electric fence transformer you can buy is more
>> than enough to impress any but the toughest of dogs. I put one up once,
>> but it was to keep the dogs in, not out. Worked great.
>
> When I read that I was thinking he better have personal liability insurance, because homeowners insurance ain't gonna cover that....
>

AFAIK man traps are a felony in every state. Was that in
Georgia? I don't remember.

Georgia case law on that:
https://law.justia.com/cases/georgia/court-of-appeals/1975/51055.html

Maybe Alabama? Same:
https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-1-2/

"...term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices
attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms,
sharpened stakes, nails, spikes, electrical devices, lines
or wires with hooks attached, and devices for the production
of toxic fumes or gases."

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 8:16:32 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/18/2023 5:53 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
> >> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
> >>
> >>> On 5/16/2023 9:36 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> But re cats on the roof... electricity doesn't work that way. You
> >>>> can
> >>>> sit on a 4,000 volt transmission line with no problems at all.... as
> >>>> long as you don't touch anything but the line (:-) So cats jumping up
> >>>> on the roof probably wouldn't feel a thing (:-)
> >>>
> >>> At one place we lived for a while long ago, we had problems with large
> >>> neighborhood dogs allowed to run free at night. It was not unusual for
> >>> them to overturn our garbage cans. Eventually I ran a hot line to the
> >>> garbage cans. I knew there was some risk, so I plugged it in last
> >>> thing at night and unplugged first thing in the morning.
> >>>
> >>> Within a day or two we were awakened by a dog yelping loudly and
> >>> running away. The problem never returned.
> >> I don't suppose you put a "Danger, high voltage" sign up? Dogs can't read.
> >>
> >> I can't help imagining a neighbor. I'll call her Mrs. White, after a
> >> neighbor I had when young. I picture her grey haired, nearly as old as
> >> you are now, but since they put that new fangled heart pacemaker in she
> >> can't sleep through the dawn. She takes a walk past your house, just to
> >> get some air, and notices a bit of trash in your driveway. Being a
> >> sweet old bird, she picks it up to throw it in your bin.
> >>
> >> Mrs. White:
> >> (thinks) Oh my Jesus! I've shook hands with the Devil and he won't let go!
> >> (says) RRRRrrRRRrrrRRRrrrRRrRrRrrrr
> >>
> >> I know, I know. Those neighbors were all no account white trash that
> >> would no more take the notion of walking anywhere in a morning with a
> >> perfectly good black pickup in the driveway than they would of flapping
> >> their arms to fly to the moon. And she had it coming. You would never
> >> step in *her* driveway, one of those crackers might shoot you. F*ck
> >> them if they can't take a 120V joke.
> >>
> >> It's just a thought experiment. Suppose Mrs. White *dies*? How many
> >> months of prison time do you supppose that would merit?
> >>
> >> Just about the wimpiest electric fence transformer you can buy is more
> >> than enough to impress any but the toughest of dogs. I put one up once,
> >> but it was to keep the dogs in, not out. Worked great.
> >
> > When I read that I was thinking he better have personal liability insurance, because homeowners insurance ain't gonna cover that....
> >
> AFAIK man traps are a felony in every state.

Got anything on dog traps?

Hmm. Except what I did was sort of the opposite. The dog was running away
as it was yelping.

BTW, I'm not recommending anyone else do what I did. But in those semi-rural surroundings
I judged it safe enough. It turned out I was right.

- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 18 May 2023 19:14:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/18/2023 5:53 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2023 9:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> But re cats on the roof... electricity doesn't work that way. You
>>>>> can
>>>>> sit on a 4,000 volt transmission line with no problems at all.... as
>>>>> long as you don't touch anything but the line (:-) So cats jumping up
>>>>> on the roof probably wouldn't feel a thing (:-)
>>>>
>>>> At one place we lived for a while long ago, we had problems with large
>>>> neighborhood dogs allowed to run free at night. It was not unusual for
>>>> them to overturn our garbage cans. Eventually I ran a hot line to the
>>>> garbage cans. I knew there was some risk, so I plugged it in last
>>>> thing at night and unplugged first thing in the morning.
>>>>
>>>> Within a day or two we were awakened by a dog yelping loudly and
>>>> running away. The problem never returned.
>>> I don't suppose you put a "Danger, high voltage" sign up? Dogs can't read.
>>>
>>> I can't help imagining a neighbor. I'll call her Mrs. White, after a
>>> neighbor I had when young. I picture her grey haired, nearly as old as
>>> you are now, but since they put that new fangled heart pacemaker in she
>>> can't sleep through the dawn. She takes a walk past your house, just to
>>> get some air, and notices a bit of trash in your driveway. Being a
>>> sweet old bird, she picks it up to throw it in your bin.
>>>
>>> Mrs. White:
>>> (thinks) Oh my Jesus! I've shook hands with the Devil and he won't let go!
>>> (says) RRRRrrRRRrrrRRRrrrRRrRrRrrrr
>>>
>>> I know, I know. Those neighbors were all no account white trash that
>>> would no more take the notion of walking anywhere in a morning with a
>>> perfectly good black pickup in the driveway than they would of flapping
>>> their arms to fly to the moon. And she had it coming. You would never
>>> step in *her* driveway, one of those crackers might shoot you. F*ck
>>> them if they can't take a 120V joke.
>>>
>>> It's just a thought experiment. Suppose Mrs. White *dies*? How many
>>> months of prison time do you supppose that would merit?
>>>
>>> Just about the wimpiest electric fence transformer you can buy is more
>>> than enough to impress any but the toughest of dogs. I put one up once,
>>> but it was to keep the dogs in, not out. Worked great.
>>
>> When I read that I was thinking he better have personal liability insurance, because homeowners insurance ain't gonna cover that....
>>
>
>AFAIK man traps are a felony in every state. Was that in
>Georgia? I don't remember.
>
>Georgia case law on that:
>https://law.justia.com/cases/georgia/court-of-appeals/1975/51055.html
>
>Maybe Alabama? Same:
>https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-1-2/
>
>
>"...term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices
>attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms,
>sharpened stakes, nails, spikes, electrical devices, lines
>or wires with hooks attached, and devices for the production
>of toxic fumes or gases."

A peeping tom, a potential burglar, or a down an outer looking for
discarded food in the garbage can might have stumbled into the setup.

"funkma...@hotmail.com" <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> writes:

> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>
>> > On 5/16/2023 9:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >> But re cats on the roof... electricity doesn't work that way. You
>> >> can
>> >> sit on a 4,000 volt transmission line with no problems at all.... as
>> >> long as you don't touch anything but the line (:-) So cats jumping up
>> >> on the roof probably wouldn't feel a thing (:-)
>> >
>> > At one place we lived for a while long ago, we had problems with large
>> > neighborhood dogs allowed to run free at night. It was not unusual for
>> > them to overturn our garbage cans. Eventually I ran a hot line to the
>> > garbage cans. I knew there was some risk, so I plugged it in last
>> > thing at night and unplugged first thing in the morning.
>> >
>> > Within a day or two we were awakened by a dog yelping loudly and
>> > running away. The problem never returned.
>> I don't suppose you put a "Danger, high voltage" sign up? Dogs can't read.
>>
>> I can't help imagining a neighbor. I'll call her Mrs. White, after a
>> neighbor I had when young. I picture her grey haired, nearly as old as
>> you are now, but since they put that new fangled heart pacemaker in she
>> can't sleep through the dawn. She takes a walk past your house, just to
>> get some air, and notices a bit of trash in your driveway. Being a
>> sweet old bird, she picks it up to throw it in your bin.
>>
>> Mrs. White:
>> (thinks) Oh my Jesus! I've shook hands with the Devil and he won't let go!
>> (says) RRRRrrRRRrrrRRRrrrRRrRrRrrrr
>>
>> I know, I know. Those neighbors were all no account white trash that
>> would no more take the notion of walking anywhere in a morning with a
>> perfectly good black pickup in the driveway than they would of flapping
>> their arms to fly to the moon. And she had it coming. You would never
>> step in *her* driveway, one of those crackers might shoot you. F*ck
>> them if they can't take a 120V joke.
>>
>> It's just a thought experiment. Suppose Mrs. White *dies*? How many
>> months of prison time do you supppose that would merit?
>>
>> Just about the wimpiest electric fence transformer you can buy is more
>> than enough to impress any but the toughest of dogs. I put one up once,
>> but it was to keep the dogs in, not out. Worked great.
>
> When I read that I was thinking he better have personal liability
> insurance, because homeowners insurance ain't gonna cover that....

If someone were actually hurt I think criminal charges would be a real
possibility.

It would have been a good story if told in a "what a wiseass punk I was
back in the day" sort of mode, but Mr. Krygowski does not play that.

Catrike Rider <soloman@drafting.not> writes:

> On Thu, 18 May 2023 19:14:46 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>>On 5/18/2023 5:53 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/16/2023 9:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> But re cats on the roof... electricity doesn't work that way. You
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> sit on a 4,000 volt transmission line with no problems at all.... as
>>>>>> long as you don't touch anything but the line (:-) So cats jumping up
>>>>>> on the roof probably wouldn't feel a thing (:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> At one place we lived for a while long ago, we had problems with large
>>>>> neighborhood dogs allowed to run free at night. It was not unusual for
>>>>> them to overturn our garbage cans. Eventually I ran a hot line to the
>>>>> garbage cans. I knew there was some risk, so I plugged it in last
>>>>> thing at night and unplugged first thing in the morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Within a day or two we were awakened by a dog yelping loudly and
>>>>> running away. The problem never returned.
>>>> I don't suppose you put a "Danger, high voltage" sign up? Dogs can't read.
>>>>
>>>> I can't help imagining a neighbor. I'll call her Mrs. White, after a
>>>> neighbor I had when young. I picture her grey haired, nearly as old as
>>>> you are now, but since they put that new fangled heart pacemaker in she
>>>> can't sleep through the dawn. She takes a walk past your house, just to
>>>> get some air, and notices a bit of trash in your driveway. Being a
>>>> sweet old bird, she picks it up to throw it in your bin.
>>>>
>>>> Mrs. White:
>>>> (thinks) Oh my Jesus! I've shook hands with the Devil and he won't let go!
>>>> (says) RRRRrrRRRrrrRRRrrrRRrRrRrrrr
>>>>
>>>> I know, I know. Those neighbors were all no account white trash that
>>>> would no more take the notion of walking anywhere in a morning with a
>>>> perfectly good black pickup in the driveway than they would of flapping
>>>> their arms to fly to the moon. And she had it coming. You would never
>>>> step in *her* driveway, one of those crackers might shoot you. F*ck
>>>> them if they can't take a 120V joke.
>>>>
>>>> It's just a thought experiment. Suppose Mrs. White *dies*? How many
>>>> months of prison time do you supppose that would merit?
>>>>
>>>> Just about the wimpiest electric fence transformer you can buy is more
>>>> than enough to impress any but the toughest of dogs. I put one up once,
>>>> but it was to keep the dogs in, not out. Worked great.
>>>
>>> When I read that I was thinking he better have personal liability
>>> insurance, because homeowners insurance ain't gonna cover that....
>>>
>>
>>AFAIK man traps are a felony in every state. Was that in
>>Georgia? I don't remember.
>>
>>Georgia case law on that:
>>https://law.justia.com/cases/georgia/court-of-appeals/1975/51055.html
>>
>>Maybe Alabama? Same:
>>https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-1-2/
>>
>>
>>"...term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices
>>attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms,
>>sharpened stakes, nails, spikes, electrical devices, lines
>>or wires with hooks attached, and devices for the production
>>of toxic fumes or gases."
>
> A peeping tom, a potential burglar, or a down an outer looking for
> discarded food in the garbage can might have stumbled into the setup.

Or a random cop, having sighted any one of those ...

On 5/19/2023 4:37 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> "funkma...@hotmail.com" <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 10:00:40 PM UTC-4, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2023 9:36 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> But re cats on the roof... electricity doesn't work that way. You
>>>>> can
>>>>> sit on a 4,000 volt transmission line with no problems at all.... as
>>>>> long as you don't touch anything but the line (:-) So cats jumping up
>>>>> on the roof probably wouldn't feel a thing (:-)
>>>>
>>>> At one place we lived for a while long ago, we had problems with large
>>>> neighborhood dogs allowed to run free at night. It was not unusual for
>>>> them to overturn our garbage cans. Eventually I ran a hot line to the
>>>> garbage cans. I knew there was some risk, so I plugged it in last
>>>> thing at night and unplugged first thing in the morning.
>>>>
>>>> Within a day or two we were awakened by a dog yelping loudly and
>>>> running away. The problem never returned.
>>> I don't suppose you put a "Danger, high voltage" sign up? Dogs can't read.
>>>
>>> I can't help imagining a neighbor. I'll call her Mrs. White, after a
>>> neighbor I had when young. I picture her grey haired, nearly as old as
>>> you are now, but since they put that new fangled heart pacemaker in she
>>> can't sleep through the dawn. She takes a walk past your house, just to
>>> get some air, and notices a bit of trash in your driveway. Being a
>>> sweet old bird, she picks it up to throw it in your bin.
>>>
>>> Mrs. White:
>>> (thinks) Oh my Jesus! I've shook hands with the Devil and he won't let go!
>>> (says) RRRRrrRRRrrrRRRrrrRRrRrRrrrr
>>>
>>> I know, I know. Those neighbors were all no account white trash that
>>> would no more take the notion of walking anywhere in a morning with a
>>> perfectly good black pickup in the driveway than they would of flapping
>>> their arms to fly to the moon. And she had it coming. You would never
>>> step in *her* driveway, one of those crackers might shoot you. F*ck
>>> them if they can't take a 120V joke.
>>>
>>> It's just a thought experiment. Suppose Mrs. White *dies*? How many
>>> months of prison time do you supppose that would merit?
>>>
>>> Just about the wimpiest electric fence transformer you can buy is more
>>> than enough to impress any but the toughest of dogs. I put one up once,
>>> but it was to keep the dogs in, not out. Worked great.
>>
>> When I read that I was thinking he better have personal liability
>> insurance, because homeowners insurance ain't gonna cover that....
>
> If someone were actually hurt I think criminal charges would be a real
> possibility.

:-) You guys are having a fun game of "Worst Case Scenario," aren't you?

"But what if the dog had jumped into the path of an oncoming car? And
what if the driver jerked the steering wheel to avoid the dog? And what
if the car ran off the road? What if it continued on through the walls
of a house? What if it broke a natural gas pipe in the house? And what
if it triggered a spark that blew up the gas? What if the cops thought
it was an attack by outer-space aliens?"

Come on, if you're going to play the game, put your hearts into it!

Or let's review the real-world result: The experiment took two nights,
IIRC. Nobody was hurt except the dog. The dog never tipped over the
garbage again.

--
- Frank Krygowski