In article <0001HW.287DD54C02238959306C6538F@news-us.newsgroup.ninja>,
Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Jul 12, 2022, Mayayana wrote
> (in article <tajrk5$21tjj$1@dont-email.me>):
> > Well put. I think of it like Windows users are Ford drivers.
> > It's just a computer. They don't want any problems. And it's
> > standardized. If you need a baby seat or a new radio, you
> > can choose from a dozen. Macs are like sports cars. Not
> > highly functional, problematically customized, but beautifully
> > made. When they need software there's usually one product,
> > not free, that everyone uses.
> >
> > There are various reasons for that. One is that MS is really
> > selling software, while Apple is selling devices. They're not two
> > computer companies. Since Apple controls the device, they
> > also want to tightly control the look and the software. You use
> > their tools or you don't code on Macs.
> >
> > A second factor is that Macs are a consumer product, while
> > Windows computers are a business product. The corporate customer
> > has always been Microsoft's main customer. The SOHo customer
> > is just a way to do beta testing and maintain their monopoly. So
> > Macs need to be entertaining, but it's OK if they break the software
> > or cable you bought last month. Windows, by contrast, provides
> > backward compatibility for as long as business wants it. Companies
> > are making their own in-hous software. First with C++, then with VB,
> > then with .Net... MS pushed that hard. They hooked customers in
> > that way. If they don't support those programs in the next Windows
> > then corporate customers won't upgrade.
> >
> > MS are trying to cash in on the Apple model by locking down
> > Windows and pushing programmers into Metro. But it's really not
> > their thing to make fun products. So they build a locked down
> > business computer and then try to sell you "apps" for it. The whole
> > strategy doesn't really hang together.
>
> This is like ³opposite world².

imaginary world.

> I have been using, building, and writing
> apps (hobby) for Windows computers since the early 90¹s. I bought my first
> MacBook a few years ago, and then traded it a year or so later for the new M1
> MacBook. My main uses have always been music and photography, with a little
> video. I put Crossover, and Win 11 using Parallels on the MacBook so I could
> use any Windows apps that I would be missing on the Mac. I use no Windows
> apps except an email client for a backup on the MacBook. I have found a Mac
> app for everything I need, and most of them turned out to be better than what
> I had been using on Windows. I still have 3 Windows pc¹s. All 3 have been,
> off and on, unintended science projects. Since I am my own tech support,
> it¹s very time consuming. It¹s the Mac that just works. And when I do
> need to call for tech support, the two are night and day. The Windows techs
> are mostly idiots reading off scripts, and the Apple techs are mostly quite
> good, although I have had only a couple of calls to them.

i see that the implant and the many weekends of grooming at a retreat
in california (included at no extra cost) is working well.

> I suspect that you have about zero experience with Macs. I honestly thought
> the same things as you wrote above, but after a few years with the MacBook,
> while still occasionally using my Win pc¹s for various reasons, I know that
> everything you wrote - and that I used to think - is pretty silly.

you suspect correctly.

mayayana knows absolutely nothing about macs or apple and refuses to
learn.

to him, it's only microsoft. everything else is crap.

In article <tak78i$t5dr$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Thomas
<canope234@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does Preview come up as fast as does Irfanview on similar hardware?
> Does Preview spacebar though many photos as quickly as does Irfanview?

it's hard to be faster than instant.

those tasks are also not cpu-intensive tasks.

mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
> On 12-07-2022 15:52 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's really funny listening to people who don't use Macs explain what Macs
>> are like. Apart from the fact that apple does indeed sell devices the rest
>> of it is either wrong or no different to windows.
>
> You don't need to use a mac to know the mac users are very different.
> The mac users are susceptible to never ending constant grooming by Apple.
> Windows users are not.
>
> Apple preys on these gullible mac users by nonstop perpetual grooming.
> Very successfully so.
>
> As a result, receptive users are groomed into an uptight swarm mentality.
> Which is different from the Windows realistic pragmatic mindset.
>
> To see that difference, all you need to do is watch the mac user respond to
> any criticism compared to how Windows users react to that same criticism.
>
> That's what's different.
> The user.

Yup. What you'll find is that pretty much all Mac users have experience of
Windows and have ended up using a Mac because it suits their needs better.
The opposite is not true of windows users typically. Yet windows users are
happy to perpetuate mac myths.

I have used windows, linux and mac professionally - still use all of them
regularly - and I have found a Mac to be the best option for me. It's not
even close.

What's somewhat ironic is that compared to my windows colleagues Microsoft
applications are more reliable on macOS than windows.

In article <tak9mg$23cq6$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What you'll find is that pretty much all Mac users have experience of
> Windows and have ended up using a Mac because it suits their needs better.

yep

> The opposite is not true of windows users typically. Yet windows users are
> happy to perpetuate mac myths.

nearly all have never used a mac or anything apple. it's just the usual
baseless apple sucks bullshit, no matter what it is.

> I have used windows, linux and mac professionally - still use all of them
> regularly - and I have found a Mac to be the best option for me. It's not
> even close.

as have i, along with bsd and a couple of obscure oses.

> What's somewhat ironic is that compared to my windows colleagues Microsoft
> applications are more reliable on macOS than windows.

that's a bit worrisome, since they're not that reliable on macos.

RJH wrote:

> On 12 Jul 2022 at 01:03:57 BST, "Auric__" wrote:
>
>> Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 6:57:45 PM, Auric__ wrote:
>>>
>>>>> View images <=> Irfanview (it's fast)
>>>>> View photos <=> Irfanview (it's fast)
>>>>
>>>> Irfanview. (Better than what I used before, which was... uh........)
>>>
>>> But for RJH, what do people use to replace Irfanview on the Macintosh?
>>
>> I wish I knew. I'd prefer Irfanview on the Mac, but alas, 'tis not to
>> be. That's another thing that falls into the category of "I mostly
>> don't."
>
> I use Preview to view and mildly manipulate (rotate, export, convert,
> batch, for example) images. Photos to organise and more aggressively
> edit. Aperture for even more adventurous editing - but I paid for that.

I'm used to Irfanview's way of doing things; I've been using it for a *very*
long time. The browsing and the thumbnail view are things I use literally
every day. I know there are other programs that do the same thing, but as
with Winamp, I'm used to it, it does what I want... why change?

But yes, on Mac, if I need to view an image for whatever reason, Preview is
what I use... mostly because I'm too lazy to install something else.
Seashore looks good:

https://github.com/robaho/seashore

....but I've never actually tried it.

>> (I suppose one could try Wine on the Mac, but that's not really my kind
>> of thing either.)
>
> Just tried Irfanview on a Windows PC. Looks to be very quick and
> effective, although not as versatile as Preview (no pdf support that I
> can see for example). v.4 looks like an 80s throwback.

As Paul said, PDFs can be supported if you install Ghostscript, but I stick
with dedicated programs for PDFs, specifically an old version of Foxit
Reader (v3.2.something), and I use pdftk and xpdf for editing. (Ditto for
other non-image formats that Irfanview supports, either natively or via
plugins.)

--
The only thing we have to fear is FEAR ITSELF...

and spiders.

nospam wrote:

> In article <tak5oe$suk9$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Thomas
> <canope234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> I wish I knew. I'd prefer Irfanview on the Mac, but alas, 'tis not
>> >> to be.
>> >
>> > there was a mac version of irfanview about 20 years ago. it didn't
>> > sell well because most of what it does is included with mac os.
>>
>> Sell?
>> Why?
>
> maybe it was free. it's been 20+ years. all i remember is that they
> released something and it failed in the marketplace because it wasn't
> anywhere near as good as existing mac native apps, both free and paid.

If you ever find it, I'd be interested in trying it out.

--
They did not forgive us, she thought. We will surely die.

On Jul 12, 2022, Thomas wrote
(in article <tak78i$t5dr$1@paganini.bofh.team>):

> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 9:44:04 PM, Bill W wrote:
>
> > most of them turned out to be better than what
> > I had been using on Windows.
>
> What have you found for the speed difference between Preview on the
> Macintosh and Irfanview on your Windows PCs?

I don’t use Irfanview.

> Does Preview come up as fast as does Irfanview on similar hardware?
> Does Preview spacebar though many photos as quickly as does Irfanview?

I open photos occasionally in both Preview and Photos on the Mac, and both
move through photos quickly, even the photos on an HDD. There is really no
delay, so it’s hard to improve on that. And again, mine is an M1 MacBook,
so it’s very fast with everything. There is also a trick for using one of
those apps that makes it faster for viewing - it involves right clicking any
photo in a folder, and then “open with”. It lets you move through
quickly. One of them also seemed to have a problem with the color and
rendering until I used that method for opening the photos. Both also seem to
open every file format I have - jpg, raw, dng, etc. I was surprised at that.

On Jul 12, 2022, Chris wrote
(in article <tak9mg$23cq6$1@dont-email.me>):

> What's somewhat ironic is that compared to my windows colleagues Microsoft
> applications are more reliable on macOS than windows.

One thing I’m sure of is that windows boots, restarts, and updates much
faster on my Mac than on even my fastest Win PC. It’s not even close. And I
can leave windows running in the VM, work on photography and music, have 30
tabs left open in Chrome, and the MacBook never chokes or slows down. And
it’s an Air - no fans, with only 16gb ram.

On Jul 12, 2022, nospam wrote
(in article<120720221301280795%nospam@nospam.invalid>):

> i see that the implant and the many weekends of grooming at a retreat
> in california (included at no extra cost) is working well.

Huh? They told me those trips were for... wait, I can’t remember anything
they told me. That’s odd...

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <tak9mg$23cq6$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> What's somewhat ironic is that compared to my windows colleagues Microsoft
>> applications are more reliable on macOS than windows.
>
> that's a bit worrisome, since they're not that reliable on macos.

That's not my experience. I use the whole MS 365 suite on a daily basis
including OneDrive. I very rarely have any issue with them. The only
constant issue is with editing Word files from an external organisation
through Teams, but my feeling is that it's an auth problem at my work
rather than a software issue.

On 12 Jul 2022 at 17:16:59 BST, mike wrote:

> On 12-07-2022 15:52 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's really funny listening to people who don't use Macs explain what Macs
>> are like. Apart from the fact that apple does indeed sell devices the rest
>> of it is either wrong or no different to windows.
>
> You don't need to use a mac to know the mac users are very different.
> The mac users are susceptible to never ending constant grooming by Apple.
> Windows users are not.
>
> Apple preys on these gullible mac users by nonstop perpetual grooming.
> Very successfully so.
>
> As a result, receptive users are groomed into an uptight swarm mentality.
> Which is different from the Windows realistic pragmatic mindset.
>
> To see that difference, all you need to do is watch the mac user respond to
> any criticism compared to how Windows users react to that same criticism.
>
> That's what's different.
> The user.

What an odd POV. What brings you to these conclusions?

--
Cheers, Rob

In article <takij6$248r6$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> What's somewhat ironic is that compared to my windows colleagues Microsoft
> >> applications are more reliable on macOS than windows.
> >
> > that's a bit worrisome, since they're not that reliable on macos.
>
> That's not my experience. I use the whole MS 365 suite on a daily basis
> including OneDrive. I very rarely have any issue with them. The only
> constant issue is with editing Word files from an external organisation
> through Teams, but my feeling is that it's an auth problem at my work
> rather than a software issue.

i first used microsoft word on dos, followed by ms word and excel on
the mac, long before they were bundled together and called office and
before they existed on windows.

it was always problematic, especially v6, which was a disaster.
microsoft tried to have common code for both mac and windows and
suffice it to say that did not work. it was so bad that ultimately,
they offered an 'upgrade' from v6 to v5, the *previous* version.

their earlier versions were compiled to p-code (pascal) and included
its own p-code interpreter rather than compiling to actual 68k code. i
have no idea why they did that, but to their credit, there wasn't a
significant speed hit.

unfortunately, ms office caused all sorts of compatibility issues with
other software. so much that apple had to add a shitload of special
case code to classic mac os (mostly system 7 to macos 9) so that ms
office would continue to work properly. third party software, including
stuff i wrote, also had to deal with its 'unique' ways of doing things,
often needing to special case it as well.

the mac os x versions are a bit better behaved, but that's largely due
to os x, not anything microsoft did. i think it was office v.x, their
first mac os x version, released in late 2001, which had an installer
and font issue, but it's been too long to remember the details.

fortunately, macs can read and write word/excel documents without
needing anything from microsoft. it's more than sufficient for casual
use, such as reading attachments. those who do a lot of writing and
collaboration would need the real thing.

"Bill W" <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote

| It’s the Mac that just works.

Exactly. It's a consumer product. You use it for photos
and music. You don't program on it. If you need more software
you have Crossover. And you put Windows on the Mac. Then
you say the Mac is much better. :)

Yes, it's better for "just working" for consumer uses. That's
what I said. There's nothing wrong with that. It's like a sports
car with the hood welded shut. Expensive. Sleek. Fun. Dependable.
Just don' try to haul lumber in it.

This logic reminds me of when Lord Jobs removed the floppy.
All the AppleSeeds said, "All hail Lord Jobs for eliminating that
infernal floppy." My Mac-using friends explained what a visionary
he was. No one uses floppies anymore. Then they all went out
and bought a USB external floppy drive for $100, to go with their
$1,800 iMac. I read at the time that it would have cost $7.50
each to continue including floppy drives in Macs.

What amazed me was that these people were telling me I'm
behind the times as they were wasting $100 for the USB floppy
drive. They didn't see a connection between Jobs's brilliance and
their empty wallet!

"Bill W" <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote

| One thing I’m sure of is that windows boots, restarts, and updates much
| faster on my Mac than on even my fastest Win PC. It’s not even close.
And I
| can leave windows running in the VM...

Classic Mac thinking. We don't need to run MacOS on Windows.
There would be no point. You denigrate Windows at every chance,
yet you've installed it on your Mac. :)

In article <takltq$24jg0$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> | It’s the Mac that just works.
>
> Exactly. It's a consumer product. You use it for photos
> and music. You don't program on it.

you continue to demonstrate your lack of knowledge about macs.

do you actually think that a computer that can only do photos and music
sell into fortune 500 companies?

and if you don't program on it, how do you explain all of the mac
software that's available? who wrote it and on what system?

do you even think about the absurdity of what you say?

> If you need more software
> you have Crossover. And you put Windows on the Mac. Then
> you say the Mac is much better. :)

only for very specific apps.

the vast, vast majority of things people do are available with mac
native apps, and as bill w said, many of them are better than what he
used to use on windows.

> Yes, it's better for "just working" for consumer uses. That's
> what I said. There's nothing wrong with that. It's like a sports
> car with the hood welded shut. Expensive. Sleek. Fun. Dependable.
> Just don' try to haul lumber in it.

except that the hood is not welded shut and anyone who wants to dig
deeper can do so, without needing permission from anyone.

you can even boot into a unix command line, skipping mac os entirely.

but you do have a point. using a mac to haul lumber is probably a bad
idea.

> This logic reminds me of when Lord Jobs removed the floppy.
> All the AppleSeeds said, "All hail Lord Jobs for eliminating that
> infernal floppy." My Mac-using friends explained what a visionary
> he was. No one uses floppies anymore.

they were correct. the year that happened (1998) was the year that one
of the only two remaining floppy disk manufacturers closed their doors
due to insufficient demand for both to exist.

apple's mistake was to not include a cd writer. the first imacs had
only a cd-rom.

> Then they all went out
> and bought a USB external floppy drive for $100, to go with their
> $1,800 iMac. I read at the time that it would have cost $7.50
> each to continue including floppy drives in Macs.

very few people did that, and those who did quickly realized they
didn't actually need it.

> What amazed me was that these people were telling me I'm
> behind the times as they were wasting $100 for the USB floppy
> drive. They didn't see a connection between Jobs's brilliance and
> their empty wallet!

you still use cds and dvds, so yes, you are behind the times. well
behind the times.

In article <takm39$24jrj$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> "Bill W" <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote
> | One thing I’m sure of is that windows boots, restarts, and updates much
> | faster on my Mac than on even my fastest Win PC. It’s not even close.
> And I
> | can leave windows running in the VM...
>
> Classic Mac thinking. We don't need to run MacOS on Windows.
> There would be no point. You denigrate Windows at every chance,
> yet you've installed it on your Mac. :)

you might want to reread what he wrote, namely the parts you snipped.

On Jul 12, 2022, Mayayana wrote
(in article <takltq$24jg0$1@dont-email.me>):

> "Bill W" <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote
>
> > It’s the Mac that just works.
>
> Exactly. It's a consumer product. You use it for photos
> and music. You don't program on it.

I don’t program on it because I don’t program on anything anymore. There
is software for everything out there these days, and there is never a need to
write something that already exists. And by photos and music, I mean creating
and editing in both. My MacBook will breeze through things in my DAW software
that would choke my better spec’d Windows PC long before I got close to the
strain I can put on my MacBook. Even PS and LR are much happier on the Mac,
along with On1, and DXO. I haven’t installed Gigapixel AI on a windows pc
yet, so I can’t compare, but I’m willing to bet that will also be much
quicker on the Mac.

> If you need more software
> you have Crossover. And you put Windows on the Mac. Then
> you say the Mac is much better. :)

Yes, Crossover and Win 11 because of folks like you who warned me that I
would lose so much by going to Mac, and wouldn’t be able to find software I
needed that worked in the Mac. I use Crossover for nothing these days, and
Win 11 for an email client I use as a supplement to Mac Mail because one
relatively minor task is faster on Mailbird. The other reason I still use
Windows is to stay familiar with it. I am "tech support" for some friends,
too, and now I can use Quick Assist from the MacBook.

> Yes, it's better for "just working" for consumer uses. That's
> what I said. There's nothing wrong with that. It's like a sports
> car with the hood welded shut.

Not even close. If I cared to tinker, I have found where to go. It’s
simple, but it’s also another recommendation for Apple that I have never
felt any need or inclination to change anything. Tinkering is all I did on my
Win PC’s.

> Expensive. Sleek. Fun. Dependable.
> Just don' try to haul lumber in it.
>
> This logic reminds me of when Lord Jobs removed the floppy.
> All the AppleSeeds said, "All hail Lord Jobs for eliminating that
> infernal floppy." My Mac-using friends explained what a visionary
> he was. No one uses floppies anymore. Then they all went out
> and bought a USB external floppy drive for $100, to go with their
> $1,800 iMac. I read at the time that it would have cost $7.50
> each to continue including floppy drives in Macs.

I think $7.50 is about what they cost now. The only need I had for one was to
go through all my old floppies and either copy or toss them. I waited until
they got cheap.

> What amazed me was that these people were telling me I'm
> behind the times as they were wasting $100 for the USB floppy
> drive. They didn't see a connection between Jobs's brilliance and
> their empty wallet!

If $100 will empty your wallet, something is wrong. Nothing at all to do with
my financial situation, but $100 does not mean a whole lot to most people who
are buying Macs, or any decent computer.

On Jul 12, 2022, Mayayana wrote
(in article <takm39$24jrj$1@dont-email.me>):

> "Bill W" <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote
>
> > One thing I’m sure of is that windows boots, restarts, and updates much
> > faster on my Mac than on even my fastest Win PC. It’s not even close.
> And I
> > can leave windows running in the VM...
>
> Classic Mac thinking. We don't need to run MacOS on Windows.
> There would be no point. You denigrate Windows at every chance,
> yet you've installed it on your Mac. :)

No, I don’t denigrate Windows, the OS - when it works, and I don’t think
macOS is the greatest thing ever. I do denigrate all the problems I’ve had
with Windows, and appreciate the few I’ve had with macOS. You can google
any OS problems you have with either, and get tons of hits with either. The
difference is that you will find cures that work with macOS pretty quickly,
but will find about 100 suggestions for every Windows problem for every one
Mac problem, and you are lucky if any of those 100 suggestions fixes anything
at all. Ever had to look up windows update problems and error codes? How
about missing OS? Or “cannot install windows on this disk”? Like I said,
one science project after another. And like I also said, MS phone support can
be a joke, even at their higher level of support, which is where I always
ended up. The tech support version of “script kiddies”.

On 7/12/2022 12:15 PM, David Brooks wrote:
> On 11/07/2022 17:45, Paul wrote:
>> On 7/11/2022 11:52 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 11/07/2022 14:55, Paul wrote:
>>>> Do you have any <MID> from this server ???
>>>
>>> Path: myplugbox.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>>> From: "Dave H" <pepedog@pepedog.com>
>>> Newsgroups: banned
>>> Subject: Are you banned?
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:15:13 +0100
>>> Organization: MyPlugBox
>>> Lines: 2
>>> Message-ID: <klo22l$vc3$1@zyxel.myplugbox.com>
>>> Reply-To: "Dave H" <pepedog@pepedog.com>
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: dave-vista.myplugbox.com
>>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>>      format=flowed;
>>>      charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>      reply-type=original
>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>> X-Trace: zyxel.myplugbox.com 1367313301 32131 192.168.5.224 (30 Apr 2013 09:15:01 GMT)
>>> X-Complaints-To: usenet@zyxel.myplugbox.com
>>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:15:01 +0000 (UTC)
>>> X-Priority: 3
>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197
>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463
>>> Xref: myplugbox.com banned:1
>>>
>>> You must contact your group admin to find out
>>> Dave
>>
>> That seems to be a private server.
>>
>> Based on the example newsgroup not following convention.
>>
>> So that's not really USENET as most people know it, it
>> would be closer to a BBS (bulletin board system).
>
>
> Thanks, Paul
>
> Please find a few minutes to read here:-
>
> Message-ID: <ihgzK.96333$A665.19435@fx08.ams1> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165764239300
>
> Think outside the box again, eh?!!
>
> Stay well
>
>    - David

All the earmarks of a BBS. A server with local distribution.
(No reason to find the messages in Google or in Howard.)

You cannot run a server, using "too many admins". The few
free servers I know about, have precisely one admin each.
That prevents surprises, as one admin has one set of objectives.

Paul

On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:06:24 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

>mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
>> On 12-07-2022 15:52 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's really funny listening to people who don't use Macs explain what Macs
>>> are like. Apart from the fact that apple does indeed sell devices the rest
>>> of it is either wrong or no different to windows.
>>
>> You don't need to use a mac to know the mac users are very different.
>> The mac users are susceptible to never ending constant grooming by Apple.
>> Windows users are not.
>>
>> Apple preys on these gullible mac users by nonstop perpetual grooming.
>> Very successfully so.
>>
>> As a result, receptive users are groomed into an uptight swarm mentality.
>> Which is different from the Windows realistic pragmatic mindset.
>>
>> To see that difference, all you need to do is watch the mac user respond to
>> any criticism compared to how Windows users react to that same criticism.
>>
>> That's what's different.
>> The user.
>
>Yup. What you'll find is that pretty much all Mac users have experience of
>Windows and have ended up using a Mac because it suits their needs better.

Maybe. I have no statistics to rely on, but that's not my experience
at all. I only know one person who went from Windows to a Macintosh,
and that was because his son-in-law was a Macintosh expert and could
help him with any problems that developed.

>The opposite is not true of windows users typically. Yet windows users are
>happy to perpetuate mac myths.
>
>I have used windows, linux and mac professionally - still use all of them
>regularly - and I have found a Mac to be the best option for me. It's not
>even close.

That's fine. Whatever works best for you. You won't get any argument
from me.

I don't know what's the best option for me. I use Windows, because I
know it very well and like it. Might I like a Macintosh even more?
Perhaps, but I'll never find out because I'm not willing to put in the
time, effort, and expense to try a Macintosh and find out. I'm happy
with what I use.

>What's somewhat ironic is that compared to my windows colleagues Microsoft
>applications are more reliable on macOS than windows.

I use very few Microsoft applications (as far as I'm concerned, there
are almost always better third-party choices), but those that I've
used on Windows, I find to be completely reliable.

On 12/07/2022 23:33, Paul wrote:
> On 7/12/2022 12:15 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 11/07/2022 17:45, Paul wrote:
>>> On 7/11/2022 11:52 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 11/07/2022 14:55, Paul wrote:
>>>>> Do you have any <MID> from this server ???
>>>>
>>>> Path: myplugbox.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>>>> From: "Dave H" <pepedog@pepedog.com>
>>>> Newsgroups: banned
>>>> Subject: Are you banned?
>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:15:13 +0100
>>>> Organization: MyPlugBox
>>>> Lines: 2
>>>> Message-ID: <klo22l$vc3$1@zyxel.myplugbox.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "Dave H" <pepedog@pepedog.com>
>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: dave-vista.myplugbox.com
>>>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>>>      format=flowed;
>>>>      charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>      reply-type=original
>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>>> X-Trace: zyxel.myplugbox.com 1367313301 32131 192.168.5.224 (30 Apr
>>>> 2013 09:15:01 GMT)
>>>> X-Complaints-To: usenet@zyxel.myplugbox.com
>>>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:15:01 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> X-Priority: 3
>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197
>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463
>>>> Xref: myplugbox.com banned:1
>>>>
>>>> You must contact your group admin to find out
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> That seems to be a private server.
>>>
>>> Based on the example newsgroup not following convention.
>>>
>>> So that's not really USENET as most people know it, it
>>> would be closer to a BBS (bulletin board system).
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Paul
>>
>> Please find a few minutes to read here:-
>>
>> Message-ID: <ihgzK.96333$A665.19435@fx08.ams1>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165764239300
>>
>> Think outside the box again, eh?!!
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>     - David
>
> All the earmarks of a BBS. A server with local distribution.
> (No reason to find the messages in Google or in Howard.)
>
> You cannot run a server, using "too many admins". The few
> free servers I know about, have precisely one admin each.
> That prevents surprises, as one admin has one set of objectives.
>
>    Paul

Strangely, using Thunderbird as a newsreader, the use of account
'news.myplugbox.com' gives access to all the available newsgroups.

It's not at all like a BBS!

On 12-07-2022 18:46 Bill W <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:

> One thing I�m sure of is that windows boots, restarts, and updates much
> faster on my Mac than on even my fastest Win PC.

Well there you have it for the differences between Preview & Irfanview.

Ask a mac owner what's the difference between Preview & Irvanview and what
comes out is ludicrous proclamations that the mac is better than Windows in
all cases under all circumstances.

Like I said, to see the difference between mac users and pc users all you
need to do is watch the mac user respond to any question about the mac.

Their objection to any question will be a defense that is ludicrous.

That's what's different.
The user.

On 12-07-2022 19:39 RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:

> What an odd POV. What brings you to these conclusions?

The question was asked of the difference between Preview & the Irfanview
and the response from the mac users was a ludicrous defense saying the mac
is always faster than Windows in all circumstances.

They can't understand that the question was just a question.

They considered it an affront to even ask such a question which was asked
by someone on your behalf, by the way.

"Bill W" <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote

| > What amazed me was that these people were telling me I'm
| > behind the times as they were wasting $100 for the USB floppy
| > drive. They didn't see a connection between Jobs's brilliance and
| > their empty wallet!
| | If $100 will empty your wallet, something is wrong. Nothing at all to do
with
| my financial situation, but $100 does not mean a whole lot to most people
who
| are buying Macs, or any decent computer.
|

Another great example of AppleSeed logic. You skip the point
that it was entirely unnecessary to lose floppies when Jobs removed
them and instead cover Apple's ass by saying you can afford to
waste $100. Of course, you bought a Mac, so we already know
you can afford to waste money. It's not an accomplishment to
be able to afford throwing away money. But it would be a minor
accomplishment to know better. :)

| I don’t program on it because I don’t program on anything anymore.
There
is software for everything out there these days, and there is never a need
to
| write something that already exists.

It's similar for me, but I like to keep my hand in it, as well
as web design. For instance, I recently wrote a little wrapper around
zxing.dll to allow me to read QR codes. I was just curious.
I copied some QR codes from a PBS TV schedule and found they
don't actually go to PBS.org. They go to an obfuscated link at
qr.page. So apparently many of these codes are sent through
a tracking site before going to the apparent target. PBS is letting
a 3rd party middleman their links. qr.page goes to the-qrcode-generator.com
Both domains are hosted on Google, with hidden ownership. So I'm
guessing Google is in on the ground floor of qrcodes.

It's unfortunate. There's no reason that text URLs can't be used
with OCR. Instead people are getting in the habit of accepting
obfuscation... But don't let me bore you with such details. You're
on a Mac now. If any thinking is needed, Apple will do it for you. :)

I regularly write things like VBScripts and HTAs to do various
jobs. That would be the hardest part of Windows for me to give
up... the ease with which I can write utilities and applets to do
custom jobs. It's similar to the feeling of having a workshop in the
cellar. I know I can do projects whenever the need or desire arises.
One can do such things on Linux, of course, but Microsoft have
bent over backward to provide good tools for every level of expertise.

On 7/12/2022 5:55 PM, Bill W wrote:

> The difference is that you will find cures that work with macOS pretty quickly,
> but will find about 100 suggestions for every Windows problem for every one
> Mac problem, and you are lucky if any of those 100 suggestions fixes anything
> at all.

You have to learn to avoid the "dism restorehealth" and "sfc"
one-size-fits-all recipes.

The reason you see 100 suggestions, is because websites earn
advertising money from your visits. That prompts a large level
of noise in the web.

And Google is more likely to feed you into the jaws of a
google ad cookie site, than a site that is really useful.

Search has become rather useless for fixing things, these days.
Whether Google or Bing.

Windows Updates can be sped up. I can see the potential
for an update to install faster. But the staff at Microsoft
have no incentive to optimize anything. These are examples
of leverage points.

Search Indexer.
Windows Defender.
Superfetch (Sysmain)
Adjust priorities on TrustedInstaller etc.

You should try running 25154.1000, if you want the blood
to drain out of your face. Storage is ruined. It's no wonder
they want "OEM machines to have SSD". That's still not going
to be enough of a crutch. I've had to buy extra bags of
microwave popcorn, for when that dreck ships.

The thing about Microsoft, is they will never back out
of a bad situation :-) Frameserve being an example.

It's too bad executive compensation did not depend on
customer sat surveys. But in the case of Windows, it's not
really a priority for them any more. Windows is no longer
its own division.

Paul