"Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote

>Yup. What you'll find is that pretty much all Mac users have experience of
>Windows and have ended up using a Mac because it suits their needs better.

| Maybe. I have no statistics to rely on, but that's not my experience
at all. I only know one person who went from Windows to a Macintosh,
and that was because his son-in-law was a Macintosh expert and could
| help him with any problems that developed.

I know lots of people who have switched. For some it's business
reasons. Their customers use Macs. For the vast majority it's
convenience. They don't want to have to understand things like
anti-virus, and they've been led to think Macs are safe and carefree.
To a great extent that's true. Thus, the consumer device.

On 7/12/2022 7:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
> On 12/07/2022 23:33, Paul wrote:
>> On 7/12/2022 12:15 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 11/07/2022 17:45, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 7/11/2022 11:52 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> On 11/07/2022 14:55, Paul wrote:
>>>>>> Do you have any <MID> from this server ???
>>>>>
>>>>> Path: myplugbox.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>>>>> From: "Dave H" <pepedog@pepedog.com>
>>>>> Newsgroups: banned
>>>>> Subject: Are you banned?
>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:15:13 +0100
>>>>> Organization: MyPlugBox
>>>>> Lines: 2
>>>>> Message-ID: <klo22l$vc3$1@zyxel.myplugbox.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: "Dave H" <pepedog@pepedog.com>
>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: dave-vista.myplugbox.com
>>>>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>>>>      format=flowed;
>>>>>      charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>>      reply-type=original
>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>>>> X-Trace: zyxel.myplugbox.com 1367313301 32131 192.168.5.224 (30 Apr 2013 09:15:01 GMT)
>>>>> X-Complaints-To: usenet@zyxel.myplugbox.com
>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:15:01 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> X-Priority: 3
>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197
>>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463
>>>>> Xref: myplugbox.com banned:1
>>>>>
>>>>> You must contact your group admin to find out
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> That seems to be a private server.
>>>>
>>>> Based on the example newsgroup not following convention.
>>>>
>>>> So that's not really USENET as most people know it, it
>>>> would be closer to a BBS (bulletin board system).
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, Paul
>>>
>>> Please find a few minutes to read here:-
>>>
>>> Message-ID: <ihgzK.96333$A665.19435@fx08.ams1> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165764239300
>>>
>>> Think outside the box again, eh?!!
>>>
>>> Stay well
>>>
>>>     - David
>>
>> All the earmarks of a BBS. A server with local distribution.
>> (No reason to find the messages in Google or in Howard.)
>>
>> You cannot run a server, using "too many admins". The few
>> free servers I know about, have precisely one admin each.
>> That prevents surprises, as one admin has one set of objectives.
>>
>>     Paul
>
> Strangely, using Thunderbird as a newsreader, the use of account 'news.myplugbox.com' gives access to all the available newsgroups.
>
> It's not at all like a BBS!
Peering, msg exchange
X No WAN connection +-------------------------+--- . . .
| | |
+------+------+ +-----+----+ +-----+----+
| my plugbox | | AIOE | | E-S |
+-------------+ +----------+ +----------+
/ \ / \
David Paul David Paul

newsgroups "ban", "photography" newsgroups "alt.comp.os.windows-10" "comp.sys.mac.misc"

Paul

In article <tal2iu$25md1$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> "Ken Blake" <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>
> >Yup. What you'll find is that pretty much all Mac users have experience of
> >Windows and have ended up using a Mac because it suits their needs better.
>
> | Maybe. I have no statistics to rely on,

perhaps you ought to find some statistics before commenting.

> | but that's not my experience
> at all. I only know one person who went from Windows to a Macintosh,
> and that was because his son-in-law was a Macintosh expert and could
> | help him with any problems that developed.
>
> I know lots of people who have switched. For some it's business
> reasons. Their customers use Macs.

so businesses do use macs?

> For the vast majority it's
> convenience. They don't want to have to understand things like
> anti-virus, and they've been led to think Macs are safe and carefree.
> To a great extent that's true. Thus, the consumer device.

there you go again, contradicting yourself.

In article <tal23l$489j$1@solani.org>, mike <this@address.is.invalid>
wrote:

> Ask a mac owner what's the difference between Preview & Irvanview and what
> comes out is ludicrous proclamations that the mac is better than Windows in
> all cases under all circumstances.

nobody has ever said that.

In article <tal2cc$25lm9$1@dont-email.me>, Mayayana
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

>
> | > What amazed me was that these people were telling me I'm
> | > behind the times as they were wasting $100 for the USB floppy
> | > drive. They didn't see a connection between Jobs's brilliance and
> | > their empty wallet!
> |
> | If $100 will empty your wallet, something is wrong. Nothing at all to do
> with
> | my financial situation, but $100 does not mean a whole lot to most people
> who
> | are buying Macs, or any decent computer.
> |
>
> Another great example of AppleSeed logic. You skip the point
> that it was entirely unnecessary to lose floppies when Jobs removed
> them and instead cover Apple's ass by saying you can afford to
> waste $100.

it was not necessary to include a floppy because very few people
actually used them at the time. those that did could buy one, which
were much less than $100.

>
> | I don’t program on it because I don’t program on anything anymore.
> There
> is software for everything out there these days, and there is never a need
> to
> | write something that already exists.
>
> It's similar for me, but I like to keep my hand in it, as well
> as web design. For instance, I recently wrote a little wrapper around
> zxing.dll to allow me to read QR codes. I was just curious.
> I copied some QR codes from a PBS TV schedule and found they
> don't actually go to PBS.org. They go to an obfuscated link at
> qr.page. So apparently many of these codes are sent through
> a tracking site before going to the apparent target. PBS is letting
> a 3rd party middleman their links. qr.page goes to the-qrcode-generator.com
> Both domains are hosted on Google, with hidden ownership. So I'm
> guessing Google is in on the ground floor of qrcodes.
>
> It's unfortunate. There's no reason that text URLs can't be used
> with OCR.

there's a very good reason: reliability.

scanning a qr code is far more reliable than ocr'ing a url, which can
just as easily be obscured.

many times there are both so the user knows where the qr code will go
(or for the fools who manually type in the url).

scanning qr codes is also much easier to implement, at least on macs
and ios devices since qr decoding is part of the os, no additional
libraries or frameworks needed.

> Instead people are getting in the habit of accepting
> obfuscation... But don't let me bore you with such details. You're
> on a Mac now. If any thinking is needed, Apple will do it for you. :)

perhaps you should avail yourself of that offering.

> I regularly write things like VBScripts and HTAs to do various
> jobs. That would be the hardest part of Windows for me to give
> up... the ease with which I can write utilities and applets to do
> custom jobs. It's similar to the feeling of having a workshop in the
> cellar. I know I can do projects whenever the need or desire arises.
> One can do such things on Linux, of course, but Microsoft have
> bent over backward to provide good tools for every level of expertise.

one can also do such things on a mac, and in a variety of ways, some of
which are not possible on windows or linux. but you're not interested
in actual facts.

On 13-07-2022 05:55 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> nobody has ever said that.

You said "it's hard to be faster than instant" which is ludicrous of you to
say without even you knowing Preview is slower than Irfanview.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:20:39 -0000 (UTC), Auric__
<not.my.real@email.address> wrote:

>> maybe it was free. it's been 20+ years. all i remember is that they
>> released something and it failed in the marketplace because it wasn't
>> anywhere near as good as existing mac native apps, both free and paid.
>
> If you ever find it, I'd be interested in trying it out.

He made it up to fit his predefined agenda.
He thought we wouldn't check on his bull shit.
The Irfanview web site says it never existed on any Apple OS.

On Jul 12, 2022, JAB wrote
(in article <tal4u1$2nqb0$1@news.mixmin.net>):

> The Irfanview web site says it never existed on any Apple OS.

It just seems so unlikely that any company would bother “saying” such a
thing on their website. Just as a courtesy, could you maybe post a link to
where it says exactly that?

On Jul 12, 2022, mike wrote
(in article <tal4g7$4959$1@solani.org>):

> On 13-07-2022 05:55 nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > nobody has ever said that.
>
> You said "it's hard to be faster than instant" which is ludicrous of you to
> say without even you knowing Preview is slower than Irfanview.

If one app takes 2ms, and the other takes 1ms, one is twice as fast, but both
are “instant" to any sane user.

On Jul 12, 2022, Paul wrote
(in article <tal2h4$25m9q$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 7/12/2022 5:55 PM, Bill W wrote:
>
> > The difference is that you will find cures that work with macOS pretty
> > quickly,
> > but will find about 100 suggestions for every Windows problem for every one
> > Mac problem, and you are lucky if any of those 100 suggestions fixes
> > anything
> > at all.
>
> You have to learn to avoid the "dism restorehealth" and "sfc"
> one-size-fits-all recipes.

I don’t know if “avoid” is what you want to do. They can help
sometimes.

> The reason you see 100 suggestions, is because websites earn
> advertising money from your visits. That prompts a large level
> of noise in the web.

That’s a reason, but I’m actually talking about 100 different and
unrelated suggestions. The reason for that is that no one has a clue with
some issues, including MS.

On Jul 12, 2022, mike wrote
(in article <tal23l$489j$1@solani.org>):

> On 12-07-2022 18:46 Bill W<nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > One thing I�m sure of is that windows boots, restarts, and updates much
> > faster on my Mac than on even my fastest Win PC.
>
> Well there you have it for the differences between Preview & Irfanview.
>
> Ask a mac owner what's the difference between Preview & Irvanview and what
> comes out is ludicrous proclamations that the mac is better than Windows in
> all cases under all circumstances.
>
> Like I said, to see the difference between mac users and pc users all you
> need to do is watch the mac user respond to any question about the mac.
>
> Their objection to any question will be a defense that is ludicrous.
>
> That's what's different.
> The user.

Humor me. Since you replied to my post, could you tell me where I said
anything that has anything to do with your reply? And BTW, did you notice
that I said *Windows* boots faster on my Mac than on my windows PC. That has
nothing to do with windows or macOS. It’s just a hardware thing.

Bill W wrote:

> On Jul 12, 2022, JAB wrote
> (in article <tal4u1$2nqb0$1@news.mixmin.net>):
>
>> The Irfanview web site says it never existed on any Apple OS.
>
> It just seems so unlikely that any company would bother “saying” such a
> thing on their website. Just as a courtesy, could you maybe post a link to
> where it says exactly that?

The FAQ on the website only talks about running modern versions under Wine. I
check archive.org and the oldest saved version of irfanview.com (from mid-
2000) only discusses Windows. I don't see anywhere that explicitly says "no
Mac EVAR!!!!!1" but I don't see any mention of, say, a discontinued Mac
version either.

--
It's the end. But the moment has been prepared for.

"Bill W" <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote

| > The Irfanview web site says it never existed on any Apple OS.
| | It just seems so unlikely that any company would bother “saying” such
a | thing on their website. Just as a courtesy, could you maybe post a link to
| where it says exactly that?
|

I don't think it says that, but there never has been
a Mac version. It's supported on my XP, though. Irfan
has his priorities straight. :)

Though I iamgine that much of the reason for supporting XP
is probably just that it's not extra work. He doesn't use any
wrappers, .Net, Java, Python, etc. It's just straight Windows
code. So there are no dependencies to limit the functionality.

IV is what all software really should be. If they made Libre
Office that clean it would probably be about 20 MB, instead
of 1/2 GB.

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2022 17:06:24 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 12-07-2022 15:52 Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's really funny listening to people who don't use Macs explain what Macs
>>>> are like. Apart from the fact that apple does indeed sell devices the rest
>>>> of it is either wrong or no different to windows.
>>>
>>> You don't need to use a mac to know the mac users are very different.
>>> The mac users are susceptible to never ending constant grooming by Apple.
>>> Windows users are not.
>>>
>>> Apple preys on these gullible mac users by nonstop perpetual grooming.
>>> Very successfully so.
>>>
>>> As a result, receptive users are groomed into an uptight swarm mentality.
>>> Which is different from the Windows realistic pragmatic mindset.
>>>
>>> To see that difference, all you need to do is watch the mac user respond to
>>> any criticism compared to how Windows users react to that same criticism.
>>>
>>> That's what's different.
>>> The user.
>>
>> Yup. What you'll find is that pretty much all Mac users have experience of
>> Windows and have ended up using a Mac because it suits their needs better.
>
>
>
> Maybe. I have no statistics to rely on, but that's not my experience
> at all. I only know one person who went from Windows to a Macintosh,
> and that was because his son-in-law was a Macintosh expert and could
> help him with any problems that developed.

I'm surprised. Schools have been Microsoft shops for decades so anyone
growing up since the late 90s will have used windows by default. Some
schools use chromebooks, but that's rare in the UK.

It's only if they have a Mac at home or work requires it will they ever
experience anything else.

>
>> The opposite is not true of windows users typically. Yet windows users are
>> happy to perpetuate mac myths.
>>
>> I have used windows, linux and mac professionally - still use all of them
>> regularly - and I have found a Mac to be the best option for me. It's not
>> even close.
>
> That's fine. Whatever works best for you. You won't get any argument
> from me.

The point is there's no predatory practices by Apple preying on their
customers. As we all know MS is the one well known for manipulating the
market illegally.

Apple simply make a product that in many ways is superior, which is why
they are so successful.

> I don't know what's the best option for me. I use Windows, because I
> know it very well and like it. Might I like a Macintosh even more?
> Perhaps, but I'll never find out because I'm not willing to put in the
> time, effort, and expense to try a Macintosh and find out. I'm happy
> with what I use.

Fair enough.

>> What's somewhat ironic is that compared to my windows colleagues Microsoft
>> applications are more reliable on macOS than windows.
>
>
> I use very few Microsoft applications (as far as I'm concerned, there
> are almost always better third-party choices),

At work there's often no choice. You have to go with the lowest common
denominator.

> but those that I've
> used on Windows, I find to be completely reliable.

Occasional use is not the same as using it as a tool for work. Windows +
Office often interferes with work.

Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> "Bill W" <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote
>
> | It’s the Mac that just works.
>
> Exactly. It's a consumer product.

So if consumer products just work, are you saying business products
shouldn't be buggy as hell? I guess that's why windows is such a success.

Me, on the other hand just want to get in and get things done.

> You use it for photos
> and music. You don't program on it.

Bugger. All the programming I've done on my macs must be an illusion.

> If you need more software
> you have Crossover. And you put Windows on the Mac. Then
> you say the Mac is much better. :)
>
> Yes, it's better for "just working" for consumer uses. That's
> what I said. There's nothing wrong with that. It's like a sports
> car with the hood welded shut. Expensive. Sleek. Fun. Dependable.
> Just don' try to haul lumber in it.
>
> This logic reminds me of when Lord Jobs removed the floppy.
> All the AppleSeeds said, "All hail Lord Jobs for eliminating that
> infernal floppy." My Mac-using friends explained what a visionary
> he was. No one uses floppies anymore.

Again, am I imagining that no-one is indeed using floppies any more?

> Then they all went out
> and bought a USB external floppy drive for $100, to go with their
> $1,800 iMac. I read at the time that it would have cost $7.50
> each to continue including floppy drives in Macs.

Although, he was right there was no affordable alternative to floppies at
the time. Rewritable CDs were years away from the mainstream. CD-Rs were
expensive and wasteful and the internet was too slow and not available
everywhere.

Zip drives filled the gap for a bit, but it's when pendrives came out that
we had a truly effective replacement for floppies.

> What amazed me was that these people were telling me I'm
> behind the times as they were wasting $100 for the USB floppy
> drive. They didn't see a connection between Jobs's brilliance and
> their empty wallet!

Marketers always like having the opportunity to upsell ;)

On 13/07/2022 01:17, Paul wrote:
> On 7/12/2022 7:28 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 12/07/2022 23:33, Paul wrote:
>>> On 7/12/2022 12:15 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 11/07/2022 17:45, Paul wrote:
>>>>> On 7/11/2022 11:52 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/07/2022 14:55, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>> Do you have any <MID> from this server ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Path: myplugbox.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>>>>>> From: "Dave H" <pepedog@pepedog.com>
>>>>>> Newsgroups: banned
>>>>>> Subject: Are you banned?
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:15:13 +0100
>>>>>> Organization: MyPlugBox
>>>>>> Lines: 2
>>>>>> Message-ID: <klo22l$vc3$1@zyxel.myplugbox.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: "Dave H" <pepedog@pepedog.com>
>>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: dave-vista.myplugbox.com
>>>>>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>>>>>      format=flowed;
>>>>>>      charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>>>>      reply-type=original
>>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>>>>> X-Trace: zyxel.myplugbox.com 1367313301 32131 192.168.5.224 (30
>>>>>> Apr 2013 09:15:01 GMT)
>>>>>> X-Complaints-To: usenet@zyxel.myplugbox.com
>>>>>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:15:01 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> X-Priority: 3
>>>>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>>>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197
>>>>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463
>>>>>> Xref: myplugbox.com banned:1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You must contact your group admin to find out
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> That seems to be a private server.
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on the example newsgroup not following convention.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that's not really USENET as most people know it, it
>>>>> would be closer to a BBS (bulletin board system).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Paul
>>>>
>>>> Please find a few minutes to read here:-
>>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <ihgzK.96333$A665.19435@fx08.ams1>
>>>> http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=165764239300
>>>>
>>>> Think outside the box again, eh?!!
>>>>
>>>> Stay well
>>>>
>>>>     - David
>>>
>>> All the earmarks of a BBS. A server with local distribution.
>>> (No reason to find the messages in Google or in Howard.)
>>>
>>> You cannot run a server, using "too many admins". The few
>>> free servers I know about, have precisely one admin each.
>>> That prevents surprises, as one admin has one set of objectives.
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>
>> Strangely, using Thunderbird as a newsreader, the use of account
>> 'news.myplugbox.com' gives access to all the available newsgroups.
>>
>> It's not at all like a BBS!
>                                                     Peering, msg exchange
>                X  No WAN connection
> +-------------------------+--- . . .
>                |
> |                         |
>         +------+------+                   +-----+----+
> +-----+----+
>         |  my plugbox |                   |   AIOE   |
> |    E-S   |
>         +-------------+                   +----------+
> +----------+
>           /      \
> /                           \
>        David     Paul
> David                        Paul
>
>       newsgroups "ban", "photography"      newsgroups
> "alt.comp.os.windows-10" "comp.sys.mac.misc"

Thank you, Paul.

That explains much ..... but it doesn't clarify how one can gain access
to the PRIVATE group messages on that server.

Can you explain how to do that?

(You may recall that Microsoft Newsgroups also had private as well as
public newsgroups!) http://www.aumha.org/support.htm

Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> "Bill W" <nothing@nowhere.com> wrote
>
> | > The Irfanview web site says it never existed on any Apple OS.
> |
> | It just seems so unlikely that any company would bother “saying” such
> a
> | thing on their website. Just as a courtesy, could you maybe post a link to
> | where it says exactly that?
> |
>
> I don't think it says that, but there never has been
> a Mac version. It's supported on my XP, though. Irfan
> has his priorities straight. :)
>
> Though I iamgine that much of the reason for supporting XP
> is probably just that it's not extra work.

It probably uses APIs that date from XP and are still functional/supported.

> He doesn't use any
> wrappers, .Net, Java, Python, etc. It's just straight Windows
> code. So there are no dependencies to limit the functionality.

False. It's dependent on Windows APIs hence why there are no ports for
linux or macOS.

> IV is what all software really should be. If they made Libre
> Office that clean it would probably be about 20 MB, instead
> of 1/2 GB.

Then it wouldn't be portable. It would only work on windows. Developing
against a single platform is a lot easier to do.

In article <tam0im$2au8h$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >
> > Maybe. I have no statistics to rely on, but that's not my experience
> > at all. I only know one person who went from Windows to a Macintosh,
> > and that was because his son-in-law was a Macintosh expert and could
> > help him with any problems that developed.
>
> I'm surprised. Schools have been Microsoft shops for decades so anyone
> growing up since the late 90s will have used windows by default. Some
> schools use chromebooks, but that's rare in the UK.

chromebooks are cheap and easy to manage, both ideal for the
educational market, and is the dominant platform for schools in the
usa. ipads are also common, generally in lower grades.

<https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/01/11/apple-loses-more-gr
ound-googles-chromebook-education-market/78323158/>
³It's a tidal wave: Chrome is the clear U.S. market leader now,²
says Mike Fisher, associate director of education technology at
Futuresource. He says districts are drawn to the Chromebook¹s
Web-based operating system, ease of use, IT manageability and
$200 to $300 price range.

Chromebooks ‹ laptops running Google's Chrome OS as their
operating systems ‹ made significant strides, year over year.
Chromebooks' market share jumped to 51% from 40%. Apple
products, mostly iPads but also laptops and Mac desktops, declined
to 24% from 32%. Windows-based machines remained steady at 23%.

> The point is there's no predatory practices by Apple preying on their
> customers. As we all know MS is the one well known for manipulating the
> market illegally.

correct. people bash apple for things that microsoft routinely does.

>
> Apple simply make a product that in many ways is superior, which is why
> they are so successful.

yep. they make stuff people want to buy and competes well with other
options. it's that simple.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 07:50:37 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> The point is there's no predatory practices by Apple preying on their
>> customers. As we all know MS is the one well known for manipulating the
>> market illegally.
>
> correct. people bash apple for things that microsoft routinely does.

Everything you've said you have made up to fit your predefined agenda.
A bunch of idjut fanboys saying "Apple good Microsoft bad" is one thing.

But how does either Microsoft or Apple "manipulate the market illegally?"

Don't say it - quote it from a source that is believable.
Or don't say it.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 02:24:57 -0000 (UTC), Auric__
<not.my.real@email.address> wrote:

> The FAQ on the website only talks about running modern versions under Wine.

Read the FAQ again.
It says very clearly "There is no native-Mac version of IrfanView."

What Irfanview does Windows users take for granted, but not mac users.

Click on any image in a folder/desktop, it opens, use arrow key to sift
thru all the all the images - deleting, renaming, sharpening, resizing, etc
along the way.
Using hotkeys to resize, crop, flip, sharpen, go fullscreen, move, copy to
other folders- basically use hotkeys for almost everything.
Draw a rectangle and crop, cut, copy parts of an image.
Use resample function to resize images
Batch convert, rename, resize, etc. all the images in a folder at once.
> check archive.org and the oldest saved version of irfanview.com (from mid-
> 2000) only discusses Windows. I don't see anywhere that explicitly says "no
> Mac EVAR!!!!!1" but I don't see any mention of, say, a discontinued Mac
> version either.

Everything the idjut Apple fanboys said about Preview being equivalent to
Irfanview was just made up by them because they know it's not even close.

Irfanview will let you see the next image in a folder just by opening up
the image and then using the up down keys, which doesn't work in Preview.

It's a million things like this that Windows users take for granted that
Preview lacks.

Here's what Irfanview has, much of which Preview does not.
32 and 64 bit version
Many supported file formats (click here the list of formats)
Multi language support
Unicode support
Thumbnail/preview option
Paint option - to draw lines, circles, arrows, straighten image etc.
Toolbar skins option
Lossless JPG rotation, crop and EXIF date change (also in batch mode)
Slideshow (save slideshow as EXE/SCR or burn it to CD)
Show EXIF/IPTC/Comment text in Slideshow/Fullscreen etc.
Support for Adobe Photoshop Filters
Fast directory view (moving through directory)
Batch conversion (with advanced image processing of all files)
Multipage TIF editing
File search
Multiple undo steps
Email option
Multimedia player
Print option
Support for embedded color profiles in JPG/TIF files
Change color depth
Scan (batch scan) support
Cut/crop
Add overlay text/image (watermark)
IPTC editing
Effects (Sharpen, Blur, Adobe 8BF, Filter Factory, Filters Unlimited, etc.)
Screen Capturing
Extract icons from EXE/DLL/ICLs
Shell Extension PlugIn
Many hotkeys
Option to change menu hotkeys (right mouse click on menu)
Many command line options
Many Free PlugIns
Only one EXE-File, no DLLs, no Shareware messages like "I Agree" or
"Evaluation expired"
No registry changes without user action/permission!

In article <tamg1v$2rct1$1@news.mixmin.net>, JAB <here@is.invalid>
wrote:

>
> But how does either Microsoft or Apple "manipulate the market illegally?"

<https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Microsoft-Ruled-a-Monopoly-Court-fi
nds-firm-2899336.php>
In a stunning setback for Bill Gates' software empire, the judge in
the Microsoft antitrust trial ruled yesterday that the software giant
is a monopoly that wielded its power to stifle competition.

<https://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240054310/Europe-finds-Microsoft-g
uilty-in-antitrust-case>
The draft ruling said that the failure to grant rivals access to
Windows computer code, which runs on more than 95% of the world's
PCs, is an abuse of Microsoft's dominant position, and it proposes
ordering the company to reveal the code to rivals.

The draft ruling also found Microsoft guilty of stifling competition
in the media-playing software market. The company's own software,
called Media Player, is bundled into Windows, giving it an advantage
over rival products such as RealNetworks' Real Player.

<https://www.computerworld.com/article/2530526/europe-charges-microsoft-
with-abuse-of-monopoly-again.html>
Microsoft was formally charged with monopoly abuse by Europe's top
antitrust authority, the European Commission, over the way it bundles
the Internet Explorer browser with Windows.

The move follows an unsuccessful attempt by U.S. authorities nine
years ago to strip Internet Explorer (IE) of its unfair advantage
over competing browsers. European authorities were more successful
in their prosecution of Microsoft over similar antitrust offenses
five years ago, fining the company over ¤1.6 billion and ordering it
to change the way it does business.

In article <tamhgr$2rhfd$1@news.mixmin.net>, JAB <here@is.invalid>
wrote:

> Irfanview will let you see the next image in a folder just by opening up
> the image and then using the up down keys,

just as it does in mac finder.

also, one can select a bunch of images and start an instant slide show,
where the computer moves to the next image.

> which doesn't work in Preview.

actually, it does.

> It's a million things like this that Windows users take for granted that
> Preview lacks.

you've obviously never used preview, as can be seen below.

> Here's what Irfanview has, much of which Preview does not.
> 32 and 64 bit version

the first 64 bit irfanview was with v 4.40 in 2015.

<https://www.irfanview.com/64bit.htm>

64 bit apple preview was released in 2009, six years earlier.

> Many supported file formats (click here the list of formats)
> Multi language support

preview does both.

> Unicode support

everything on mac os is unicode.

> Thumbnail/preview option
> Paint option - to draw lines, circles, arrows, straighten image etc.

preview does both.

rest deleted because it's clear you have never used preview and are
simply bashing it, hoping others will believe your bullshit.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 10:26:14 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> Irfanview will let you see the next image in a folder just by opening up
>> the image and then using the up down keys,
>
> just as it does in mac finder.

Yes there is a view in Finder called "Gallery" that allows quick review of
images but it's not Preview.

It takes two different tools to do on your mac what Irfanview does in one.

That's ludicrous for something you just take for granted works on Windows.

> also, one can select a bunch of images and start an instant slide show,
> where the computer moves to the next image.

Again, it's ludicrous to be swapping out of programs and into others only
to do what you take for granted on Windows. Every Windows user who moves to
mac complains about this problem.

Preview does not even allow you to do to things that are essential for
quickly reviewing and sorting a collection of photo files which Windows
users take for granted such as using the left and right arrows on the
keyboard to go to the previous/next photo or using the Delete/Backspace key
(or at least the Del key) to quickly send blurry, duplicate or otherwise
unwanted photos to your Trash.

>
>> which doesn't work in Preview.
>
> actually, it does.

This is literally the "solution" from Apple to just step through photos,
which is something Windows users take for granted but mac users can't.

Command-1 puts everything in "thumbnail" view
(use the slider at the bottom-right of the window to increase or decrease
size; you may also want to do VIEW-->Clean up by name to make them all fit
in the window size you prefer)
Select all (Command-A)
Spacebar (brings up a large-scale preview of the image)
Right-Left-Down-Up arrows to navigate
Command-Delete to send the current image to the trash

> rest deleted because it's clear you have never used preview and are
> simply bashing it, hoping others will believe your bullshit.

Rest deleted because it's clear you have never used Irfanview and are
simply bashing it, hoping others will believe your bullshit.

In article <tamm5t$2ru7u$1@news.mixmin.net>, JAB <here@is.invalid>
wrote:

>
> >> Irfanview will let you see the next image in a folder just by opening up
> >> the image and then using the up down keys,
> >
> > just as it does in mac finder.
>
> Yes there is a view in Finder called "Gallery" that allows quick review of
> images but it's not Preview.

i see that you haven't used finder either.

there is no need for 'gallery'.

arrow keys work in any view mode.

> It takes two different tools to do on your mac what Irfanview does in one.

nope. it takes *no* additional tools to do what you just described.

On 7/13/2022 5:49 AM, David Brooks wrote:

>
> Thank you, Paul.
>
> That explains much ..... but it doesn't clarify how one can gain access to the PRIVATE group messages on that server.
>
> Can you explain how to do that?
>
> (You may recall that Microsoft Newsgroups also had private as well as public newsgroups!) http://www.aumha.org/support.htm

I have no idea how to break into anything.

I rely on your safe-cracking skills for this :-)

Good luck.

Paul