On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>:

> On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
>> In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.269032@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>> iCloud Drive?
>>
>> you put them there.
>
> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>
> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>
> If so, please explain how that is achievable.

Where did you get the videos initially?

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On 13/10/2022 18:08, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>:
>
>> On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.269032@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>
>>> you put them there.
>>
>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>
>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>
>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>
> Where did you get the videos initially?

I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.

On Oct 13, 2022 at 11:04:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<lqY1L.1354591$YC96.67027@fx12.ams1>:

> On 13/10/2022 18:08, Snit wrote:
>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
>>>> In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.269032@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>
>>>> you put them there.
>>>
>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>
>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>
>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>
>> Where did you get the videos initially?
>
> I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.

Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links
pop up a save dialog?

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

David Brooks has brought this to us :
> On 13/10/2022 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> David Brooks presented the following explanation :
>>> On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>> spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reposting the link to check again.
>>>>>>>>> The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does it play for you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THANK YOU :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of
>>>>>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
>>>>>> presentation,
>>>>>> filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
>>>>> Does Chrome work now too?
>>>>>
>>>>> I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
>>>>> original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
>>>>> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
>>>>> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
>>>>> properly encoded ones?
>>>>
>>>>   I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
>>
>> Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through, they
>> cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters passing
>> through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer encoding
>> necessary for NNTP.
>>
>> For URI/URL in particular:
>>
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
>>
>> " Unsafe:
>>
>>   Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons.  The space
>>   character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and
>>   insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or
>>   typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs.
>>   The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the
>>   delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to
>>   delimit URLs in some systems.  The character "#" is unsafe and should
>>   always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other
>>   systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that might
>>   follow it.  The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for
>>   encodings of other characters.  Other characters are unsafe because
>>   gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify
>>   such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~",
>>   "[", "]", and "`".
>>
>>   All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For
>>   example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in
>>   systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
>>   identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that
>>   does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding."
>>
>> Also, reserved characters:
>>
>> Reserved:
>>
>>   Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning:
>>   their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
>>   designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is
>>   reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded.  The characters ";",
>>   "/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be
>>   reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters may
>>   be reserved within a scheme.
>>
>>   Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
>>   represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not
>>   true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a
>>   particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
>>
>>   Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and
>>   reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used
>>   unencoded within a URL.
>>
>>   On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded
>>   (including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific
>>   part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved
>>   purpose.
>>
>>> FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
>>>
>>> (ACW group added)
>>>
>>> It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive
>>> though!
>
> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my iCloud
> Drive?

No, but I'm guessing that you at least attempted to show them to
someone who was using a small screen, and iCloud/iCloud Drive had it so
as to convert it to a format for that screen or something like that.

Are you banned from Apple? Maybe you could ask them if such a scenario
is possible. They don't seem to have a detailed description of the
inner workings anywhere.

On 13/10/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2022 at 11:04:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <lqY1L.1354591$YC96.67027@fx12.ams1>:
>
>> On 13/10/2022 18:08, Snit wrote:
>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 9:58:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 13/10/2022 17:17, nospam wrote:
>>>>> In article <Q8W1L.766423$qD%2.269032@fx08.ams1>, David Brooks
>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>
>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>
>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>
>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>
>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>
>>> Where did you get the videos initially?
>>
>> I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
>> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
>
> Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links
> pop up a save dialog?

No, no pop-up at all. I simply clicked on the links and watched the
videos. They are all quite amazing and interesting to watch. I
especially enjoyed the zooming in to see the seals!

On Oct 13, 2022 at 12:35:35 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<bMZ1L.816896$9f26.639682@fx09.ams1>:

>>>>>
>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>
>>>> Where did you get the videos initially?
>>>
>>> I simply clicked on the links posted by Savageduck in the
>>> 'rec.photo.digital' Usenet group.
>>
>> Clicking links would not save the files to your iCloud drive. Did the links
>> pop up a save dialog?
>
> No, no pop-up at all. I simply clicked on the links and watched the
> videos. They are all quite amazing and interesting to watch. I
> especially enjoyed the zooming in to see the seals!

I am confused. What does watching a video have to do with your iCloud drive?

Do you have the links?

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In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks
<BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:

> >>
> >> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
> >> iCloud Drive?
> >
> > you put them there.
>
> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>
> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>
> If so, please explain how that is achievable.

you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.

unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it to do.

On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks
> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>
>>> you put them there.
>>
>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>
>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>
>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>
> you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
>
> unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it to do.

Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud Drive
and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show up in my
iCloud Drive.

On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:

> On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks
>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>
>>>> you put them there.
>>>
>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>
>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>
>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>
>> you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
>>
>> unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it to do.
>
> Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud Drive
> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show up in my
> iCloud Drive.

What link?

I am missing something.

You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.

You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos? But how are
these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a video does not save files,
to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set there...
something like that. But then it would be other files.

I am missing something.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
> On 13/10/2022 16:37, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>> On 13/10/2022 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> David Brooks presented the following explanation :
>>>>> On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reposting the link to check again.
>>>>>>>>>>> The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does it play for you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> THANK YOU :-D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of
>>>>>>>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
>>>>>>>> presentation,
>>>>>>>> filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
>>>>>>> Does Chrome work now too?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
>>>>>>> original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
>>>>>>> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
>>>>>>> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
>>>>>>> properly encoded ones?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
>>>>
>>>> Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through, they
>>>> cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters passing
>>>> through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer encoding
>>>> necessary for NNTP.
>>>>
>>>> For URI/URL in particular:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
>>>>
>>>> " Unsafe:
>>>>
>>>>   Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons.  The space
>>>>   character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and
>>>>   insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or
>>>>   typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs.
>>>>   The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the
>>>>   delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to
>>>>   delimit URLs in some systems.  The character "#" is unsafe and should
>>>>   always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other
>>>>   systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that might
>>>>   follow it.  The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for
>>>>   encodings of other characters.  Other characters are unsafe because
>>>>   gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify
>>>>   such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~",
>>>>   "[", "]", and "`".
>>>>
>>>>   All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For
>>>>   example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in
>>>>   systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
>>>>   identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that
>>>>   does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding."
>>>>
>>>> Also, reserved characters:
>>>>
>>>> Reserved:
>>>>
>>>>   Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning:
>>>>   their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
>>>>   designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is
>>>>   reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded.  The characters ";",
>>>>   "/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be
>>>>   reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters may
>>>>   be reserved within a scheme.
>>>>
>>>>   Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
>>>>   represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not
>>>>   true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a
>>>>   particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
>>>>
>>>>   Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and
>>>>   reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used
>>>>   unencoded within a URL.
>>>>
>>>>   On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded
>>>>   (including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific
>>>>   part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved
>>>>   purpose.
>>>>
>>>>> FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
>>>>>
>>>>> (ACW group added)
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive
>>>>> though!
>>>
>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>> iCloud Drive?
>>
>> Unless he sat next to you the entire time, right up until it happened,
>> how could he explain it? Notably, you glossed over an actual
>> conversation in order to 'do what you do'. Why?
>
> FTR was replying to WhiskyDave, not to me.
>
>> No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing
>> what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
>> answered any better than it already has.
>
> I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
> onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
> and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
> in my iCloud Drive again.
>
> FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
> man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have
> occurred.
>
> Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
> and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
> and knows much about Apple devices.

On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:28:27 PM MST, "pothead" wrote
<ti9vtr$1sfkq$1@dont-email.me>:

>> I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
>> onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
>> and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
>> in my iCloud Drive again.
>>
>> FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
>> man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have
>> occurred.
>>
>> Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
>> and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
>> and knows much about Apple devices.
>
> Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to
> configured to back up to
> iCloud.
> I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive. It has
> defaults that get set up
> when you install/activate it and I noticed similar behavior.

If someone shares a file in iCloud, others can view it and it gets added to
their iCloud drive for easy access.

I do not know all the combos and options.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Thursday, 13 October 2022 at 15:36:44 UTC+1, David Brooks wrote:
> On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote:
> >> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
> >>> On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:
> >>>> On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
> >>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so here is a
> >>>>>>>>> great
> >>>>>>>>> spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Reposting the link to check again.
> >>>>>> The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does it play for you?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
> >>>>
> >>>> THANK YOU :-D
> >>>
> >>> For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of
> >>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent presentation,
> >>> filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
> >> Does Chrome work now too?
> >>
> >> I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
> >> original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
> >> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
> >> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
> >>
> >> Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
> >> properly encoded ones?
> >
> > I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
> FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
>
> (ACW group added)
>
> It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive though!
Nut lose on the keyboard

On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
> David Brooks brought next idea :
>> On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :
>>>> On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way onto my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell
>>>>>>>>>> it to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud Drive
>>>>>>>>> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show
>>>>>>>>> up in my
>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What link?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos?
>>>>>>>> But how are these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a
>>>>>>>> video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or elsewhere.
>>>>>>>> Maybe if you have you cache set there... something like that.
>>>>>>>> But then it would be other files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the
>>>>>> iCloud
>>>>>> drives of those who view it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when
>>>>> I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with
>>>>> the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
>>>>
>>>> Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
>>>>
>>>> Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
>>>>
>>>> It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
>>>> noticing that it is there.
>>>>
>>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
>>
>> My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
>
> A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to
> trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.

I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD
move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main
hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).

Have I understood you correctly?

--
David

David Brooks wrote :
> On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> David Brooks brought next idea :
>>> On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :
>>>>> On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it
>>>>>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud Drive
>>>>>>>>>> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show up in
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What link?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos? But
>>>>>>>>> how are these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a video
>>>>>>>>> does not save files, to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you
>>>>>>>>> have you cache set there... something like that. But then it would
>>>>>>>>> be other files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the
>>>>>>> iCloud
>>>>>>> drives of those who view it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when I
>>>>>> viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with the
>>>>>> laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
>>>>> noticing that it is there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
>>>
>>> My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
>>
>> A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to trust
>> the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
>
> I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD move
> malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main hard drive of
> a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
>
> Have I understood you correctly?

No, I said privilege.

pothead" wrote in message news:ti9vtr$1sfkq$1@dont-email.me...
> Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to
> configured to back up to iCloud.
> I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive.
> It has defaults that get set up when you install/activate it and I
> noticed similar behavior.

Yes, One Drive on first use(never having signed in, oobe use) will configure
Backup for:
- Desktop, Documents, Pictures located your specific Windows user logon
C:\\Users\<windows logon>
....but, to do so, user intervention is necessary and with acceptance to
occur
- i.e. a screen prompt showing the Backup windows with each of those
folder options needs to be 'Ok'd'

The other direction available is not 'up' to the MSA's OneDrive(cloud)
- It's from OneDrive online down to the local stored OneDrive folder
Again...user intervention is necessary to configure what syncs down

OneDrive does not have settings for applications/apps that integrate
with OneDrive. Those applications have their own OneDrive
'save-to-cloud' settings.

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
> David Brooks wrote :
>> On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David Brooks brought next idea :
>>>> On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :
>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way onto my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you
>>>>>>>>>>>> tell it to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud
>>>>>>>>>>> Drive
>>>>>>>>>>> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show
>>>>>>>>>>> up in my
>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What link?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same
>>>>>>>>>> videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a link to
>>>>>>>>>> watch a video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or
>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set there... something
>>>>>>>>>> like that. But then it would be other files.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in
>>>>>>>> the iCloud
>>>>>>>> drives of those who view it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned
>>>>>>> when I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which
>>>>>>> came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
>>>>>> noticing that it is there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
>>>>
>>>> My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
>>>
>>> A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to
>>> trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
>>
>> I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD
>> move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main
>> hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
>>
>> Have I understood you correctly?
>
> No, I said privilege.

Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.

Thanks.

On 13/10/2022 22:28, pothead wrote:
> On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>> On 13/10/2022 16:37, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2022-10-13, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>> On 13/10/2022 16:22, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> David Brooks presented the following explanation :
>>>>>> On 12/09/2022 13:26, Whisky-dave wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 23:45:30 UTC+1, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>> HunterBD laid this down on his screen :
>>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 20:12, HunterBD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 20:03, sobriquet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 6:09:00 PM UTC+2, HunterBD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/09/2022 17:03, HunterBD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/08/2022 11:50, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2022 18:27, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has been a while since I last posted a drone video, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring day flying the DJI Air 2S around Morro Bay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://photos.smugmug.com/Air-2S-Work-2022/Air2S-Work-2022/i-k47h46J/0/7ad54298/1920/MB-4-4-2022-1920.mp4>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just watched this again. It's a very special place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us are truly blessed! ❤️
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reposting the link to check again.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The video at the link above now plays perfectly using Safari! :-D
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does it play for you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.imgur.com/cjploXD.png
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've noticed this before.. can be fixed though:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/dGqvklBCeQM/m/jeVoYrr-BAAJ
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> THANK YOU :-D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For Apd - and anyone else who may be curious - in a fresh install of
>>>>>>>>> Firefox the link now works perfectly and gives an excellent
>>>>>>>>> presentation,
>>>>>>>>> filling my screen, clearly and crisply. Odd!
>>>>>>>> Does Chrome work now too?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just tested in Edge, both worked fine. I used the URLs from your
>>>>>>>> original post (offering the second video) and just copy/paste to the
>>>>>>>> address bar, that is not by clicking a blue URL. Buffering took some
>>>>>>>> time but it played automatically at almost full screen size.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would a modern browser accept unsafe characters in a URL and reject
>>>>>>>> properly encoded ones?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I wonder why it's considered unsafe ? as I've not heard that before.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some characters have meaning to the systems that they pass through, they
>>>>> cause actions rather than just being interpreted as characters passing
>>>>> through. The same sort of thing that makes content transfer encoding
>>>>> necessary for NNTP.
>>>>>
>>>>> For URI/URL in particular:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1738.txt
>>>>>
>>>>> " Unsafe:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Characters can be unsafe for a number of reasons.  The space
>>>>>   character is unsafe because significant spaces may disappear and
>>>>>   insignificant spaces may be introduced when URLs are transcribed or
>>>>>   typeset or subjected to the treatment of word-processing programs.
>>>>>   The characters "<" and ">" are unsafe because they are used as the
>>>>>   delimiters around URLs in free text; the quote mark (""") is used to
>>>>>   delimit URLs in some systems.  The character "#" is unsafe and should
>>>>>   always be encoded because it is used in World Wide Web and in other
>>>>>   systems to delimit a URL from a fragment/anchor identifier that might
>>>>>   follow it.  The character "%" is unsafe because it is used for
>>>>>   encodings of other characters.  Other characters are unsafe because
>>>>>   gateways and other transport agents are known to sometimes modify
>>>>>   such characters. These characters are "{", "}", "|", "\", "^", "~",
>>>>>   "[", "]", and "`".
>>>>>
>>>>>   All unsafe characters must always be encoded within a URL. For
>>>>>   example, the character "#" must be encoded within URLs even in
>>>>>   systems that do not normally deal with fragment or anchor
>>>>>   identifiers, so that if the URL is copied into another system that
>>>>>   does use them, it will not be necessary to change the URL encoding."
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, reserved characters:
>>>>>
>>>>> Reserved:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Many URL schemes reserve certain characters for a special meaning:
>>>>>   their appearance in the scheme-specific part of the URL has a
>>>>>   designated semantics. If the character corresponding to an octet is
>>>>>   reserved in a scheme, the octet must be encoded.  The characters ";",
>>>>>   "/", "?", ":", "@", "=" and "&" are the characters which may be
>>>>>   reserved for special meaning within a scheme. No other characters may
>>>>>   be reserved within a scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Usually a URL has the same interpretation when an octet is
>>>>>   represented by a character and when it encoded. However, this is not
>>>>>   true for reserved characters: encoding a character reserved for a
>>>>>   particular scheme may change the semantics of a URL.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Thus, only alphanumerics, the special characters "$-_.+!*'(),", and
>>>>>   reserved characters used for their reserved purposes may be used
>>>>>   unencoded within a URL.
>>>>>
>>>>>   On the other hand, characters that are not required to be encoded
>>>>>   (including alphanumerics) may be encoded within the scheme-specific
>>>>>   part of a URL, as long as they are not being used for a reserved
>>>>>   purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>>> FTR wouldn't have seen your post Dave.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (ACW group added)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't explain how the movie found its way onto my iCloud Drive
>>>>>> though!
>>>>
>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way onto my
>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>
>>> Unless he sat next to you the entire time, right up until it happened,
>>> how could he explain it? Notably, you glossed over an actual
>>> conversation in order to 'do what you do'. Why?
>>
>> FTR was replying to WhiskyDave, not to me.
>>
>>> No, this is not an "attack", it's a logical question based on you 'doing
>>> what you do' when, in this case, your question is one that can't be
>>> answered any better than it already has.
>>
>> I'm just curious. I'm positive that *I* didn't put the Savageduck videos
>> onto my iCloud Drive. Having wiped my computer clean and reinstalled -
>> and having opened Savageduck's links once more, they have not appeared
>> in my iCloud Drive again.
>>
>> FTR has a vast amount of computer knowledge. Although he's not an Apple
>> man of long-standing, he may have been able to suggest what may have
>> occurred.
>>
>> Please don't remove rec.photo.digital - that's where WhiskyDave reads
>> and posts. He's a technician in a London University computer laboratory
>> and knows much about Apple devices.
>
> Sounds to me that you had whatever directory the files were downloaded to configured to back up to
> iCloud.
> I'm not a Mac user but I had a similar problem with MS Onedrive. It has defaults that get set up
> when you install/activate it and I noticed similar behavior.

David Brooks brought next idea :
> On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> David Brooks wrote :
>>> On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> David Brooks brought next idea :
>>>>> On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :
>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud
>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive
>>>>>>>>>>>> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show up
>>>>>>>>>>>> in my
>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What link?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos?
>>>>>>>>>>> But how are these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a
>>>>>>>>>>> video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or elsewhere. Maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> if you have you cache set there... something like that. But then
>>>>>>>>>>> it would be other files.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
>>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the
>>>>>>>>> iCloud
>>>>>>>>> drives of those who view it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when I
>>>>>>>> viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with the
>>>>>>>> laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
>>>>>>> noticing that it is there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
>>>>
>>>> A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to trust
>>>> the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
>>>
>>> I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD move
>>> malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main hard drive
>>> of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
>>>
>>> Have I understood you correctly?
>>
>> No, I said privilege.
>
> Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
>
> Thanks.

Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will.

On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
> David Brooks brought next idea :
>> On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David Brooks wrote :
>>>> On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> David Brooks brought next idea :
>>>>>> On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :
>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their way onto my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell it to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> show up in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What link?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same
>>>>>>>>>>>> videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a link
>>>>>>>>>>>> to watch a video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or
>>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set there...
>>>>>>>>>>>> something like that. But then it would be other files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
>>>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in
>>>>>>>>>> the iCloud
>>>>>>>>>> drives of those who view it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned
>>>>>>>>> when I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which
>>>>>>>>> came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with
>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
>>>>>
>>>>> A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to
>>>>> trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
>>>>
>>>> I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen
>>>> COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto
>>>> the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
>>>>
>>>> Have I understood you correctly?
>>>
>>> No, I said privilege.
>>
>> Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will.

You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.

You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".

Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.

Please comment.

--
David

On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>
>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>
>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>
> A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
>
> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)

Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>

I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!

https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME

They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM

Does that mean anything to you?

Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.

=

For relaxation, I've made this:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms

Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)

On Oct 14, 2022 at 12:40:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<FWi2L.1374835$%fx6.1342965@fx14.ams1>:

> On 14/10/2022 17:30, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On 2022-10-14, David Brooks <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>
>>> I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to follow what I have been
>>> talking about. Does an antivirus software programme running on a Windows
>>> machine scan MS OneDrive?
>>>
>>> As I've mentioned that does NOT occur with the Apple iCloud Drive. In
>>> effect, it's a secret hiding place!
>>
>> A place where it makes little sense to 'hide' <shrug>.
>>
>> Unless the iCloud acct. has been hacked, how did the 'bad stuff' get up
>> there? From someone's Mac. Aren't you the guy who keeps arguing about
>> how Macs don't need protection? If that's true, then the files that go
>> up to iCloud don't need it either ;)
>
>
> Maybe my iCloud Drive *HAD* been hacked without my knowledge. <shrug>

Unlikely, though someone could have gotten your password.

> I'm 100% sure that I didn't put the 'Clapper Board' icons on there!
>
> https://jmp.sh/ujJB7ME

The icons could have looked different.

> They look rather 'transparent' IYKWIM
>
> Does that mean anything to you?
>
> Just say no if you have no idea. Thanks.

The icons are just about a file type and what app you had set to open them.
Likely some sort of video... and perhaps this app:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/avplayer-awesome-video-player/id1610942432?mt=12

>
> =
>
> For relaxation, I've made this:-
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH-rEE_sMms

Well done!

>
> Apologies for the missing heads! ;-)

You were winging it.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

It happens that David Brooks formulated :
> On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> David Brooks brought next idea :
>>> On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>> David Brooks wrote :
>>>>> On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>> David Brooks brought next idea :
>>>>>>> On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :
>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way onto my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my iCloud
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What link?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same videos?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But how are these things connected? Clicking a link to watch a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> video does not save files, to your iCloud dive or elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe if you have you cache set there... something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then it would be other files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
>>>>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are exceptional.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it in the
>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud
>>>>>>>>>>> drives of those who view it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned when
>>>>>>>>>> I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS which came with
>>>>>>>>>> the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with nobody
>>>>>>>>> noticing that it is there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have to
>>>>>> trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen COULD
>>>>> move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto the main
>>>>> hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating system).
>>>>>
>>>>> Have I understood you correctly?
>>>>
>>>> No, I said privilege.
>>>
>>> Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will.
>
> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>
> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>
> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>
> Please comment.

It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.

On 14/10/2022 21:52, FromTheRafters wrote:
> It happens that David Brooks formulated :
>> On 14/10/2022 18:45, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David Brooks brought next idea :
>>>> On 14/10/2022 17:08, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>> David Brooks wrote :
>>>>>> On 14/10/2022 15:15, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>> David Brooks brought next idea :
>>>>>>>> On 14/10/2022 10:12, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>> David Brooks submitted this idea :
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 23:03, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> on 10/13/2022, Snit supposed :
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 2:42:17 PM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <tia0nv$1si3f$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snit wrote on 10/13/2022 :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2022 at 1:40:47 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jJ_1L.1354594$YC96.1352147@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2022 21:25, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jtX1L.1518135$Eeb3.1264275@fx05.ams1>, David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@not.on.your.life> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU explain how the videos of Savageduck found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their way onto my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you put them there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *HOW* do you think I did that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can YOU put Savageduck's videos onto YOUR iCloud Drive?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, please explain how that is achievable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you told macos to automatically sync files to icloud.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike sentient beings who know better, it does what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell it to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. None of my other video links were shown in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and when I play one of Savageduck's links NOW it doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show up in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What link?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You clicked some links, I think, and watched videos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have files in your iCloud drive. Maybe even the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> videos? But how are these things connected? Clicking a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link to watch a video does not save files, to your iCloud
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dive or elsewhere. Maybe if you have you cache set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there... something like that. But then it would be other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am missing something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Normally, downloading and watching a video wouldn't cause the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> soundtrack to disappear either. BD's computers are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It you share a file with iCloud it seems Apple does put it
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the iCloud
>>>>>>>>>>>> drives of those who view it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So it seems, but where is it stated. I think it was mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>> when I viewed some of the presentations about the new OS
>>>>>>>>>>> which came with the laptop. Anyway, it's no big deal IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, it MIGHT be a big deal!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple doesn't look into, or check, the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anti-malware companies do not have access to the iCloud Drive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is a perfect place for something malicious to lurk with
>>>>>>>>>> nobody noticing that it is there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, things can hide in storage. They can't execute though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My question to Apd was/is ........ What can fish them out?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A tool with sufficient privilege could. But then, you would have
>>>>>>> to trust the tool, which is a difficult thing for you to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hoped that you would agree that a tool with sufficient acumen
>>>>>> COULD move malicious software hiding on an iCloud Drive back onto
>>>>>> the main hard drive of a computer (Regardless of the operating
>>>>>> system).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have I understood you correctly?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I said privilege.
>>>>
>>>> Please explain why that subtle difference would change the outcome.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Scanning an encrypted file won't work, scanning a decrypted file will.
>>
>> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>>
>> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>>
>> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>>
>> Please comment.
>
> It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.

What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?

On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<mnk2L.1655739$%q2.1524958@fx15.ams1>:

>>> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>>>
>>> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>>>
>>> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>>>
>>> Please comment.
>>
>> It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
>
> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
-----
End-to-end encryption
-----

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 14/10/2022 22:37, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2022 at 2:19:14 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <mnk2L.1655739$%q2.1524958@fx15.ams1>:
>
>>>> You appear to have changed your stance. I'm puzzled.
>>>>
>>>> You said "Yes, things can hide in storage".
>>>>
>>>> Encryption is irrelevant. Neither Apple nor any Commercial anti-malware
>>>> software (as far as I'm aware) can ACCESS one's iCloud Drive to scan it.
>>>>
>>>> Please comment.
>>>
>>> It makes little sense to scan encrypted data at rest for signatures or
>>> nefarious activity. When you decrypt it, you can then scan it.
>>
>> What makes you think that malicious software/code hiding in plain sight
>> on one's iCloud Drive will be encrypted? Surely, it might NOT be encrypted?
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
> -----
> End-to-end encryption
> -----

Spot-on Snit! :-D

I just KNEW you would find the answer/evidence!