> Europe has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse than the authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty to protect American citizens, only those in custody.
>
> Walt Connelly
> Former Tow PIlot
> Now Happy Helicopter Pilot

Hi guys

A glider pilot since 53 years, 4 500 gliding hours, I was born and have lived all my life in Malmö. What are you talking about Walt????? Obviously you have not been here.

Malmö is a nice city, 350 000 inhabitants, from 178 countries, so it is an international city, only 20 minutes from Copenhagen, Denmark, which is even nicer. I suppose you have not been here, so actually you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

You are welcome to visit us and see what it is like. While you are here I can offer you a ride in my ASG 32 Mi and a beer afterwards.

/Robert

On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 7:38:27 AM UTC-7, robert....@gmail.com wrote:
> > Europe has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse than the authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty to protect American citizens, only those in custody.
> >
> > Walt Connelly
> > Former Tow PIlot
> > Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
> Hi guys
>
> A glider pilot since 53 years, 4 500 gliding hours, I was born and have lived all my life in Malmö. What are you talking about Walt????? Obviously you have not been here.
>
> Malmö is a nice city, 350 000 inhabitants, from 178 countries, so it is an international city, only 20 minutes from Copenhagen, Denmark, which is even nicer. I suppose you have not been here, so actually you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
>
> You are welcome to visit us and see what it is like. While you are here I can offer you a ride in my ASG 32 Mi and a beer afterwards.
>
> /Robert

Well as it seems the subject has morphed from massacres and sensible limits on guns to politics, I'll make another comment.
Many conservatives tend to be, by various degrees, xenophobic who view Europe and most of the rest of the world for that matter as shit holes. For the far right, America is the only garden spot and that only includes our mostly white interior, all our coastal cities and most states where all those immigrants of color live, they're shit holes too. I kid because I care ;)

On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:38:27 AM UTC-4, robert....@gmail.com wrote:
> > Europe has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse than the authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty to protect American citizens, only those in custody.
> >
> > Walt Connelly
> > Former Tow PIlot
> > Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
> Hi guys
>
> A glider pilot since 53 years, 4 500 gliding hours, I was born and have lived all my life in Malmö. What are you talking about Walt????? Obviously you have not been here.
>
> Malmö is a nice city, 350 000 inhabitants, from 178 countries, so it is an international city, only 20 minutes from Copenhagen, Denmark, which is even nicer. I suppose you have not been here, so actually you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
>
> You are welcome to visit us and see what it is like. While you are here I can offer you a ride in my ASG 32 Mi and a beer afterwards.
>
> /Robert

Thank you Robert for the invitation but I have been to Sweden albeit 50 years ago when I befriended a Swede who worked at the American Embassy. He is now a retired member of your military and government who moved to Malmo to engage in his hobby of sailing. It is his comments to me which color my perception of Malmo along with several articles about riots and no go zones. Of course the chamber of commerce and politicians wish to gloss over the problems which is their job.

Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said "For years European authorities have denied any problem with Muslim immigration, but now crisis is exploding and is getting worse, with the number of so called “no-go” areas in Sweden rising." Is she making this up?

As recently as April 28th Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said " Sweden has failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, leading to parallel societies and gang violence." She has begun a number of initiatives to combat organized crime.

Amnesty International has been critical of Sweden's tightening of policies, claiming it is causing human suffering and making integration even harder for immigrants. So I guess Amnesty International's answer is to step back and do nothing to quell the lawlessness? Bad idea.

In 2015, Swedes took immense pride in the country’s decision to accept 163,000 refugees, most from Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. “ Europe takes in refugees, Europe doesn’t build walls.” was the heroic rhetoric of an all-but-vanished Sweden. The Social Democrats now deploy the harsh language only far-right nativists of the Sweden Democrats party used in 2015. Indeed, a social democratic organ recently noted with satisfaction that since “all major parties today stand for a restrictive migration policy with a strong focus on law and order,” the refugee issue is no longer a political liability. So, when it was a political liability it was just fine?

I'm fine with immigration but it must be controlled. Immigrants must assimilate, must integrate themselves into the society into which they have come..

Believe me, we have our own shitholes here in the USofA. New York, Chicago, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles among them, aided by do nothing politicians and District Attorneys who are soft on crime.

I'm sure there are some nice areas of Malmo as there are nice areas everywhere but nice areas become not so nice as permissiveness becomes the law of the land.

Walt Connelly
Former Tow Pilot
Now Happy Helicopter Pilot

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 2:14:20 PM UTC+2, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:38:27 AM UTC-4, robert....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Europe has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse than the authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty to protect American citizens, only those in custody.
> > >
> > > Walt Connelly
> > > Former Tow PIlot
> > > Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
> > Hi guys
> >
> > A glider pilot since 53 years, 4 500 gliding hours, I was born and have lived all my life in Malmö. What are you talking about Walt????? Obviously you have not been here.
> >
> > Malmö is a nice city, 350 000 inhabitants, from 178 countries, so it is an international city, only 20 minutes from Copenhagen, Denmark, which is even nicer. I suppose you have not been here, so actually you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
> >
> > You are welcome to visit us and see what it is like. While you are here I can offer you a ride in my ASG 32 Mi and a beer afterwards.
> >
> > /Robert
> Thank you Robert for the invitation but I have been to Sweden albeit 50 years ago when I befriended a Swede who worked at the American Embassy. He is now a retired member of your military and government who moved to Malmo to engage in his hobby of sailing. It is his comments to me which color my perception of Malmo along with several articles about riots and no go zones. Of course the chamber of commerce and politicians wish to gloss over the problems which is their job.
>
> Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said "For years European authorities have denied any problem with Muslim immigration, but now crisis is exploding and is getting worse, with the number of so called “no-go” areas in Sweden rising." Is she making this up?
>
> As recently as April 28th Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said " Sweden has failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, leading to parallel societies and gang violence." She has begun a number of initiatives to combat organized crime.
>
> Amnesty International has been critical of Sweden's tightening of policies, claiming it is causing human suffering and making integration even harder for immigrants. So I guess Amnesty International's answer is to step back and do nothing to quell the lawlessness? Bad idea.
>
> In 2015, Swedes took immense pride in the country’s decision to accept 163,000 refugees, most from Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. “ Europe takes in refugees, Europe doesn’t build walls.” was the heroic rhetoric of an all-but-vanished Sweden. The Social Democrats now deploy the harsh language only far-right nativists of the Sweden Democrats party used in 2015. Indeed, a social democratic organ recently noted with satisfaction that since “all major parties today stand for a restrictive migration policy with a strong focus on law and order,” the refugee issue is no longer a political liability. So, when it was a political liability it was just fine?
>
> I'm fine with immigration but it must be controlled. Immigrants must assimilate, must integrate themselves into the society into which they have come.
>
> Believe me, we have our own shitholes here in the USofA. New York, Chicago, Portland, San Francisco and Los Angeles among them, aided by do nothing politicians and District Attorneys who are soft on crime.
>
> I'm sure there are some nice areas of Malmo as there are nice areas everywhere but nice areas become not so nice as permissiveness becomes the law of the land.
> Walt Connelly
> Former Tow Pilot
> Now Happy Helicopter Pilot

Walt, I agree with what you write, but you explicitely named Malmö in a concept that is not true. BTW, there are no no-go-zones in Malmö, there are no no-go-zones at all in Sweden. I do not think that you have them in USA?

Is this place going to become a haven for promoting far right extremism and hatred of Islam?

I hadn't heard of that small non-news organisation, so I looked it up.

I can't say I've heard of all the named contributors, but the Briton Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, with the more populist pseudonym Tommy Robinson, was formerly a member of one of our tiny neo-fascist parties. These people fall out with each other quite frequently, so he then set up his own organisation. He has a criminal record far longer than most people's arms, for fraud (including illegal entry to the USA with false documents), violence, drugs, and other offences, including contempt of court.

He doesn't speak for our country, only a few hundred extremists.

I'd take a wild guess some of the other diatribes published there might be similar. Certainly there are biographies of Carlqvist alleging she is a white supremacist promoting hatred of Islam.

So to answer your question, is she making this up, quite possibly yes.

Try some more balanced reporting.

On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> Thank you Robert for the invitation but I have been to Sweden albeit 50 years ago when I befriended a Swede who worked at the American Embassy. He is now a retired member of your military and government who moved to Malmo to engage in his hobby of sailing. It is his comments to me which color my perception of Malmo along with several articles about riots and no go zones. Of course the chamber of commerce and politicians wish to gloss over the problems which is their job.
>
> Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said "For years European authorities have denied any problem with Muslim immigration, but now crisis is exploding and is getting worse, with the number of so called “no-go” areas in Sweden rising." Is she making this up?
>

To briefly add to my previous post. Walt, this is not a newspaper.

One of its websites has disappeared, and the other shows no new articles since December 2013. A Facebook page has a few links to articles elsewhere as recently as 2015 or 2016. A different small UK neo-fascist party they were quoting hasn't existed since 2012, when it failed to submit an annual registration form and £25 fee to our Electoral Commission.

As per my previous comment, try some more balanced reporting.

These displacement mechanisms, talking about exaggerated or non-existent problems elsewhere in the world, aren't going to solve gun issues in your country.

> On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
> >

On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-4, Tom Desjardins wrote:
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 7:38:27 AM UTC-7, robert....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Europe has become a shit hole, ask any Swede who lives in Malmo. The Prime Minister has acknowledge that immigration has failed, there are parallels societies in conflict with each other. I have a personal friend who will tell you that it is worse than the authorities acknowledge. Recently more than 100 police were injured in riots with immigrant gangs. London is experiencing similar problems as do many other European cities. The Supreme Court of the USofA has said that OUR police have no duty to protect American citizens, only those in custody.
> > >
> > > Walt Connelly
> > > Former Tow PIlot
> > > Now Happy Helicopter Pilot
> > Hi guys
> >
> > A glider pilot since 53 years, 4 500 gliding hours, I was born and have lived all my life in Malmö. What are you talking about Walt????? Obviously you have not been here.
> >
> > Malmö is a nice city, 350 000 inhabitants, from 178 countries, so it is an international city, only 20 minutes from Copenhagen, Denmark, which is even nicer. I suppose you have not been here, so actually you do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
> >
> > You are welcome to visit us and see what it is like. While you are here I can offer you a ride in my ASG 32 Mi and a beer afterwards.
> >
> > /Robert
> Well as it seems the subject has morphed from massacres and sensible limits on guns to politics, I'll make another comment.
> Many conservatives tend to be, by various degrees, xenophobic who view Europe and most of the rest of the world for that matter as shit holes. For the far right, America is the only garden spot and that only includes our mostly white interior, all our coastal cities and most states where all those immigrants of color live, they're shit holes too. I kid because I care ;)

It appears that anyone who expect those who immigrate to a new country to follow the laws is xenophobic. I reject that idea completely. I am not a conservative, I am a moderate, a true moderate. Obey the rules or get the hell out of Dodge. Nothing left to say regarding this issue.

Walt

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 1:02:53 PM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
> Is this place going to become a haven for promoting far right extremism and hatred of Islam?
>
> I hadn't heard of that small non-news organisation, so I looked it up.
>
> I can't say I've heard of all the named contributors, but the Briton Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, with the more populist pseudonym Tommy Robinson, was formerly a member of one of our tiny neo-fascist parties. These people fall out with each other quite frequently, so he then set up his own organisation. He has a criminal record far longer than most people's arms, for fraud (including illegal entry to the USA with false documents), violence, drugs, and other offences, including contempt of court.
>
> He doesn't speak for our country, only a few hundred extremists.
>
> I'd take a wild guess some of the other diatribes published there might be similar. Certainly there are biographies of Carlqvist alleging she is a white supremacist promoting hatred of Islam.
>
> So to answer your question, is she making this up, quite possibly yes.
>
> Try some more balanced reporting.
> On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > Thank you Robert for the invitation but I have been to Sweden albeit 50 years ago when I befriended a Swede who worked at the American Embassy. He is now a retired member of your military and government who moved to Malmo to engage in his hobby of sailing. It is his comments to me which color my perception of Malmo along with several articles about riots and no go zones. Of course the chamber of commerce and politicians wish to gloss over the problems which is their job.
> >
> > Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said "For years European authorities have denied any problem with Muslim immigration, but now crisis is exploding and is getting worse, with the number of so called “no-go” areas in Sweden rising." Is she making this up?
> >

So you are denying that there have been riots throughout Sweden perpetrated by immigrants who were offended at one level or another? Was the comments from Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson " Sweden has failed to integrate the vast numbers of immigrants it has taken in over the past two decades, leading to parallel societies and gang violence." Might it not be that it is not Sweden that has failed but the immigrants themselves?

I am not anti anything other than anti those who wish to disturb the peace because their beliefs are not held by the rest of the population. I'm fine with freedom of religion and believing anything you wish to believe but acting on certain beliefs which are contrary to the laws of the land in which you now reside is going over the line. Have you read the Koran? I have. Muslims are by Koranic law required to obey the laws of the land in which they reside. Then again there are Bible verses that are frequently ignored by Christians.

I had a close Muslim friend who learned to fly and would be alive today had he followed Walt's 1st, 2nd and 3rd rule of flying. " You never have to get anywhere so badly that you kill yourself getting there."

So there are "biographies of Carlqvist ALLEGING she is a white supremacist promoting hatred of Islam." Alleging? She may well be but I need more than an allegation to influence me. I disagree with any level of supremacist, white, black or zebra striped. Has no one ever said anything about you that was not true?

My position quite simply is that if you immigrate anywhere, do it legally and peacefully. One's definition of a shithole may differ from that of another, same with a no go zone. When the police have to escort an emergency vehicle into any neighborhood it does not look good.

Walt

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:17:11 AM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
> To briefly add to my previous post. Walt, this is not a newspaper.
>
> One of its websites has disappeared, and the other shows no new articles since December 2013. A Facebook page has a few links to articles elsewhere as recently as 2015 or 2016. A different small UK neo-fascist party they were quoting hasn't existed since 2012, when it failed to submit an annual registration form and £25 fee to our Electoral Commission.
>
> As per my previous comment, try some more balanced reporting.
>
> These displacement mechanisms, talking about exaggerated or non-existent problems elsewhere in the world, aren't going to solve gun issues in your country.
> > On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
> > >
Andy, we do not have gun issues, we have people issues and illegal immigration issues, just yesterday a truck was found parked with 40 something dead illegals that were entering this country illegally. So, I guess you would say that we have a truck problem in this country? The gun laws in this country are designed around responsible owners not some nutcase that commits terrible acts. We have a legal problem, soft on crime progressive DA's, defund the POPO crazies and liberal agendas that do nothing but create problems. OBTP

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 8:29:29 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:17:11 AM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
> > To briefly add to my previous post. Walt, this is not a newspaper.
> >
> > One of its websites has disappeared, and the other shows no new articles since December 2013. A Facebook page has a few links to articles elsewhere as recently as 2015 or 2016. A different small UK neo-fascist party they were quoting hasn't existed since 2012, when it failed to submit an annual registration form and £25 fee to our Electoral Commission.
> >
> > As per my previous comment, try some more balanced reporting.
> >
> > These displacement mechanisms, talking about exaggerated or non-existent problems elsewhere in the world, aren't going to solve gun issues in your country.
> > > On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
> > > >
> Andy, we do not have gun issues, we have people issues and illegal immigration issues, just yesterday a truck was found parked with 40 something dead illegals that were entering this country illegally. So, I guess you would say that we have a truck problem in this country? The gun laws in this country are designed around responsible owners not some nutcase that commits terrible acts. We have a legal problem, soft on crime progressive DA's, defund the POPO crazies and liberal agendas that do nothing but create problems.. OBTP

Europe has their crazies too. "Ethnic Dane?" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
Of course the authorities will sweep this under the rug, nothing to see here, move on. These things don't happen in Europe, everyone gets along just fine and our immigrants are peaceful and happy.

Walt

mandag den 4. juli 2022 kl. 10.59.49 UTC+2 skrev waltco...@aol.com:
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 8:29:29 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:17:11 AM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
> > > To briefly add to my previous post. Walt, this is not a newspaper.
> > >
> > > One of its websites has disappeared, and the other shows no new articles since December 2013. A Facebook page has a few links to articles elsewhere as recently as 2015 or 2016. A different small UK neo-fascist party they were quoting hasn't existed since 2012, when it failed to submit an annual registration form and £25 fee to our Electoral Commission.
> > >
> > > As per my previous comment, try some more balanced reporting.
> > >
> > > These displacement mechanisms, talking about exaggerated or non-existent problems elsewhere in the world, aren't going to solve gun issues in your country.
> > > > On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
> > > > >
> > Andy, we do not have gun issues, we have people issues and illegal immigration issues, just yesterday a truck was found parked with 40 something dead illegals that were entering this country illegally. So, I guess you would say that we have a truck problem in this country? The gun laws in this country are designed around responsible owners not some nutcase that commits terrible acts. We have a legal problem, soft on crime progressive DA's, defund the POPO crazies and liberal agendas that do nothing but create problems. OBTP
> Europe has their crazies too. "Ethnic Dane?" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
> Of course the authorities will sweep this under the rug, nothing to see here, move on. These things don't happen in Europe, everyone gets along just fine and our immigrants are peaceful and happy.
>
>
> Walt

Unfortunately we do from time to time. And it's well known here that the psychiatric hospitals are underfunded. The Hells Angels and likes we do seem to have gotten kicked into the corner.
You've got no clue what the authorities will do about this. We do live in a country where noone thinks it's necessary to possess weapons in order to defend themselves. We've got trust among people.
You're referring to a british media for christ sake - WTF. Take your whataboutism elsewhere and show some respect.

Br - A danish citizen - who for decades liked to read soaring related discussions for here. But recently filtered a lot of contributers out - your're the latest in line

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 10:29:09 AM UTC-7, per.gi...@gmail.com wrote:
> mandag den 4. juli 2022 kl. 10.59.49 UTC+2 skrev waltco...@aol.com:
> > On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 8:29:29 AM UTC-4, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:17:11 AM UTC-4, andy l wrote:
> > > > To briefly add to my previous post. Walt, this is not a newspaper.
> > > >
> > > > One of its websites has disappeared, and the other shows no new articles since December 2013. A Facebook page has a few links to articles elsewhere as recently as 2015 or 2016. A different small UK neo-fascist party they were quoting hasn't existed since 2012, when it failed to submit an annual registration form and £25 fee to our Electoral Commission.
> > > >
> > > > As per my previous comment, try some more balanced reporting.
> > > >
> > > > These displacement mechanisms, talking about exaggerated or non-existent problems elsewhere in the world, aren't going to solve gun issues in your country.
> > > > > On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 13:14:20 UTC+1, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ingrid Carlqvist, editor-in-chief of Swedish newspaper Dispatch International has said ...
> > > > > >
> > > Andy, we do not have gun issues, we have people issues and illegal immigration issues, just yesterday a truck was found parked with 40 something dead illegals that were entering this country illegally. So, I guess you would say that we have a truck problem in this country? The gun laws in this country are designed around responsible owners not some nutcase that commits terrible acts. We have a legal problem, soft on crime progressive DA's, defund the POPO crazies and liberal agendas that do nothing but create problems. OBTP
> > Europe has their crazies too. "Ethnic Dane?" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
> > Of course the authorities will sweep this under the rug, nothing to see here, move on. These things don't happen in Europe, everyone gets along just fine and our immigrants are peaceful and happy.
> >
> >
> > Walt
> Unfortunately we do from time to time. And it's well known here that the psychiatric hospitals are underfunded. The Hells Angels and likes we do seem to have gotten kicked into the corner.
> You've got no clue what the authorities will do about this. We do live in a country where noone thinks it's necessary to possess weapons in order to defend themselves. We've got trust among people.
> You're referring to a british media for christ sake - WTF. Take your whataboutism elsewhere and show some respect.
>
> Br - A danish citizen - who for decades liked to read soaring related discussions for here. But recently filtered a lot of contributers out - your're the latest in line

"From time to time" is the operative phrase. Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to harden parades and arm clowns...

>>Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to harden parades and arm clowns...<<

We already arm clowns.

> We already arm clowns.

And we elect them, too.

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 3:19:01 PM UTC-7, Mark Mocho wrote:
> > We already arm clowns.
>
> And we elect them, too.

Correlation isn't necessarily causation, but in this case...maybe.

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
> >>Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to harden parades and arm clowns...<<
> We already arm clowns.

For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in his possession. His parents apparently facilitated the purchase of some of his weapons knowing their sun was a nucking fut case. Same thing with the Sandy Hook shooter, his irresponsible mother bought his rifle. She knew him well, enough said.

A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.

The argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two of the biggest extinguishers I could find.

Walt

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
> > >>Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to harden parades and arm clowns...<<
> > We already arm clowns.
> For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in his possession. His parents apparently facilitated the purchase of some of his weapons knowing their sun was a nucking fut case. Same thing with the Sandy Hook shooter, his irresponsible mother bought his rifle. She knew him well, enough said.
>
> A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.
>
> The argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two of the biggest extinguishers I could find.
>
> Walt

Nice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!

Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……

Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?

How about little kids in school?

In Church?

In the Doctors office?

In Wal Mart?

What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?

JJ the moderate!

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
> > > >>Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to harden parades and arm clowns...<<
> > > We already arm clowns.
> > For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in his possession. His parents apparently facilitated the purchase of some of his weapons knowing their sun was a nucking fut case. Same thing with the Sandy Hook shooter, his irresponsible mother bought his rifle. She knew him well, enough said.
> >
> > A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.
> >
> > The argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two of the biggest extinguishers I could find.
> >
> > Walt
> Nice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
>
> Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
>
> Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
>
> How about little kids in school?
>
> In Church?
>
> In the Doctors office?
>
> In Wal Mart?
>
> What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
>
> JJ the moderate!
JJ the liberal, may I as you only one question? Does a human with a heartbeat deserve to die being sucked from the mothers womb, over 600K were killed last year alone, seems pale in comparison, say you.

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 12:01:42 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
> > > > >>Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to harden parades and arm clowns...<<
> > > > We already arm clowns.
> > > For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in his possession. His parents apparently facilitated the purchase of some of his weapons knowing their sun was a nucking fut case. Same thing with the Sandy Hook shooter, his irresponsible mother bought his rifle. She knew him well, enough said.
> > >
> > > A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.
> > >
> > > The argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two of the biggest extinguishers I could find.
> > >
> > > Walt
> > Nice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
> >
> > Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
> >
> > Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
> >
> > How about little kids in school?
> >
> > In Church?
> >
> > In the Doctors office?
> >
> > In Wal Mart?
> >
> > What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
> >
> > JJ the moderate!
> JJ the liberal, may I as you only one question? Does a human with a heartbeat deserve to die being sucked from the mothers womb, over 600K were killed last year alone, seems pale in comparison, say you.

I’m completely neutral on the abortion issue, but allow me to ask you a question………….who do you think will end up supporting many of the unwanted kids that low income mothers are forced to carry to term?

We the people, that’s who!

JJ the realist

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 6:29:48 PM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 12:01:42 PM UTC-7, youngbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
> > > > > >>Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to harden parades and arm clowns...<<
> > > > > We already arm clowns.
> > > > For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in his possession. His parents apparently facilitated the purchase of some of his weapons knowing their sun was a nucking fut case. Same thing with the Sandy Hook shooter, his irresponsible mother bought his rifle. She knew him well, enough said.
> > > >
> > > > A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.
> > > >
> > > > The argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two of the biggest extinguishers I could find.
> > > >
> > > > Walt
> > > Nice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
> > >
> > > Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
> > >
> > > Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
> > >
> > > How about little kids in school?
> > >
> > > In Church?
> > >
> > > In the Doctors office?
> > >
> > > In Wal Mart?
> > >
> > > What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
> > >
> > > JJ the moderate!
> > JJ the liberal, may I as you only one question? Does a human with a heartbeat deserve to die being sucked from the mothers womb, over 600K were killed last year alone, seems pale in comparison, say you.
> I’m completely neutral on the abortion issue, but allow me to ask you a question………….who do you think will end up supporting many of the unwanted kids that low income mothers are forced to carry to term?
>
> We the people, that’s who!
>
> JJ the realist
No JJ, that is not the point, the best question would be why are they carrying them. My point is that abortion is being used as a contraceptive. Don't be mistaken, I am not anti abortion, I am anti abortion for convenience, especially with such widespread contraception is available. I was listening to the governor of VA, state that abortion should be available after the child is born, I think he used 24 hours as a benchmark and then let the mother decide if the child should be terminated.
Sorry if I did not make my position clear early on, but I do not see much difference between the two mass killings. We are supporting illegals at the estimated cost of 400 billion a year. Something to think about, 90 billion a year is spent on illegals for Welfare, 22 Billion on Medicare, 22 billion on food assistance, 12 billion on primary schooling for illegals, 17 billion on anchor babies, 2.5 billion on Medicaid for illegals. There are only 135 million taxpayers in this country, the total cost for illegals is about 2500 bucks for each taxpayer, oh well. OBTP

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
> > > >>Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to harden parades and arm clowns...<<
> > > We already arm clowns.
> > For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in his possession. His parents apparently facilitated the purchase of some of his weapons knowing their sun was a nucking fut case. Same thing with the Sandy Hook shooter, his irresponsible mother bought his rifle. She knew him well, enough said.
> >
> > A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.
> >
> > The argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two of the biggest extinguishers I could find.
> >
> > Walt
> Nice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
>
> Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
>
> Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
>
> How about little kids in school?
>
> In Church?
>
> In the Doctors office?
>
> In Wal Mart?
>
> What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
>
> JJ the moderate!

+1
UH the moderate

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:55:18 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 6:10:00 PM UTC-4, GliderCZ wrote:
> > > >>Trying to equate massacres in Europe and in the US is disingenuous at best. Today's 4th of July massacre is yet another example of why we need to make some major changes. I won't be surprised to hear proposals from conservatives of why we need to harden parades and arm clowns...<<
> > > We already arm clowns.
> > For the record I'm a moderate, I have conservative and liberal leans. We don't ban alcohol because some fool goes out and drives drunk and kills people, we punish him and in my opinion far too leniently. Same with reckless driving. There is no right to drink or own an automobile in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The 4th of July shooter had a permit to buy a gun from the state even after having had a run in with the police at which time they confiscated numerous knives and a sword in his possession. His parents apparently facilitated the purchase of some of his weapons knowing their sun was a nucking fut case. Same thing with the Sandy Hook shooter, his irresponsible mother bought his rifle. She knew him well, enough said.
> >
> > A massacre is a massacre. The Denmark shooter was known to the authorities as having mental issues and yet he managed to acquire a rifle. IN EUROPE? In an environment we are told it is most difficult to obtain a gun? Of course they have such respect for each other that this one committed murder. They call him an ETHNIC dane.
> >
> > The argument that no one needs an assault rifle is off base based simply on the word "needs." While my weapon of choice for home protection is a 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buck, others may well favor an AR15. I didn't need a fire extinguisher until last year when my house was hit by lightning and a fire started in a bedroom on the other side. The door was shut and the fire fully ablaze by the time I realized it. My puny fire extinguisher was insufficient to knock down the blaze. I now have two of the biggest extinguishers I could find.
> >
> > Walt
> Nice little speech, Walt and I’d agree that you have a right to own any fire extinguisher you wish to purchase, but not a word about how to prevent the next massacre!
>
> Allow me ask “Walt the moderate”, a few questions……
>
> Do the people of this country have a right to attend a 4th of July celebration without being slaughtered?
>
> How about little kids in school?
>
> In Church?
>
> In the Doctors office?
>
> In Wal Mart?
>
> What does “Walt the moderate” think should be done?
>
> JJ the moderate!

The people of this country have a right to all of your suggestions. What should be done? Instead of punishing the entire population and those who might own an AR15, the authorities need to take action against those who are known nut cases and insure they can't buy or obtain firearms. Nicholas Cruz in the South Florida school shooting was well known to the authorities. The July 4th shooter was equally well known but NOTHING was done. He obtained a permit to purchase a firearm after the police identified him as a problem and took KNIVES and a sword away from him. The authorities dropped the ball, plain, pure and simple. In the S Florida case and in the Uvalde case the LEOs on site additionally failed in their duties to move in and neutralize the assailant. Unfortunately our Supreme Court has said that law enforcement officers have NO DUTY to protect you, only those in their custody. Such rulings only make it more sensible that people have the ability to defend themselves. The night club shooter in Orlando was well known to the FBI and the authorities. Again the ball was dropped.

You will never be able to stop all such atrocities and taking "assault" (a subjective definition) weapons from law abiding citizens will only disarm them, those most unlikely to do such crimes. The criminal will not turn in his weapon. They will always find a way to cause the havoc their demented mind conjures up. Timothy McVeigh used a rental truck, fuel oil and fertilizer to kill 168 people and injure some 500.

There are no easy answers but much could have been done and was not done in many of the previous cases. Is your right to drink a beer or drive a car taken away because someone else F--Ked up?

I would imagine your fix would be to confiscate all AR15s? Or maybe just all 20 and 30 round magazines? Do you really think that is an accomplishable goal? And where would it end? A good hunter with a scoped hunting rifle can do much damage, at some point they will want your Remington model 7. My choice for home defense is a 12 gauge with #4 buck. When do they come for that? It is not out of the question.

I have mixed feeling about age limitations on purchase of a weapon. If you can serve in the military and go to war at 18, if you can vote, drink, would it make sense to raise the age? Personally I would have no problem with that and would like to see the drinking and voting age raised to 21 which it was when I was a youngster.

Illinois Governor Pritzker suggested that the founding fathers never meant for citizens to have "assault" weapons. REALLY? The average citizen owned a rifle superior to that of the typical soldier in 1791 when the 2nd Amendment was written. WHY? The citizen would commission a local gunsmith to make his rifle and that gunsmith's reputation locally was dependent on the satisfaction of the local population with his work. The average soldier's rifle was made by the lowest bidder. The Governor is being a typical politician.

We have all said and done stupid things but those who continually do so are identifiable. They need help and restrictions placed on them. JMHO.

Walt the Moderate.

Current estimates put the total number of firearms in the US at 430,000,000.. Remember that 429,900,000 were NOT used in any form of criminal activity, and a reasonable number were used by private citizens to deter or prevent criminal activity.

If the argument about advances in technology from 1791 to today are going to be applied to the Second Amendment, then would we be also required to apply those same arguments to the First Amendment? I can see giving up semi-automatics and high-capacity magazines if you will agree to give up radio, television, the internet and mass publication of print media. Go right back to hand-written documents like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, along with single-shot black powder muskets.

On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 11:19:33 AM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:
> Current estimates put the total number of firearms in the US at 430,000,000. Remember that 429,900,000 were NOT used in any form of criminal activity, and a reasonable number were used by private citizens to deter or prevent criminal activity.
>
> If the argument about advances in technology from 1791 to today are going to be applied to the Second Amendment, then would we be also required to apply those same arguments to the First Amendment? I can see giving up semi-automatics and high-capacity magazines if you will agree to give up radio, television, the internet and mass publication of print media. Go right back to hand-written documents like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, along with single-shot black powder muskets.

What did I say in my last post? When are they going to come for my shot gun?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/crude-homemade-shotgun-used-to-assassinate-former-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe

Former Japanese Prime Minister shot with homemade SHOTGUN. If the demented mind wants you it will find a way.

Walt

On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 9:55:51 AM UTC-7, waltco...@aol.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 11:19:33 AM UTC-4, Mark Mocho wrote:
> > Current estimates put the total number of firearms in the US at 430,000,000. Remember that 429,900,000 were NOT used in any form of criminal activity, and a reasonable number were used by private citizens to deter or prevent criminal activity.
> >
> > If the argument about advances in technology from 1791 to today are going to be applied to the Second Amendment, then would we be also required to apply those same arguments to the First Amendment? I can see giving up semi-automatics and high-capacity magazines if you will agree to give up radio, television, the internet and mass publication of print media. Go right back to hand-written documents like the Constitution and Declaration of Independence, along with single-shot black powder muskets.
> What did I say in my last post? When are they going to come for my shot gun?
>
> https://www.thedailybeast.com/crude-homemade-shotgun-used-to-assassinate-former-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe
>
> Former Japanese Prime Minister shot with homemade SHOTGUN. If the demented mind wants you it will find a way.
>
> Walt

Stopping mass shootings by banning all guns would be about as effective as stopping all automobile deaths by banning all cars.

Tom