On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>
>>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
>>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
>>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
>
>> I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
>> proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
>> somewhere.
>
> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
>
> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
>
> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?

What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.

On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try and
>>>>>>>> judge that some trait
>>>>>>>> is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment,
>>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
>>>>>>>> In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall,
>>>>>>>> because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
>>>>>>>> foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
>>>>>>> animal
>>>>>>> husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
>>>>>>> entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
>>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> body politic. That may be an important distinction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
>>>>>> also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
>>>>>> psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
>>>
>>> Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
>>> What have they done to you?
>
>> Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
>> Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
>> everybody knows everything about Jews.
>
> Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
> not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
> mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
> anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.

I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
of almost all of its indigenous people.

>
>
>> I could mention other examples,
>> but then I would need to explain much more.
>> Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
>> other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we
>> were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and
>> still is, extremely rich).
>> The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
>> few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the
>> investments in Zagreb.
>
> They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said
> in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
> and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what
> stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation,
> buying low and selling high.

The reason Jewish people have the stereotype of being good at investing
is because back in the day, they were barred from most other
professions. The only way for a Jew to feed themselves and their family
was often banking, so that's what they did.

>
>
>> Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
>> justice, I see great injustice in this.
>
> If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's
> _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native
> Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
> and it was built into the very character of the people.
>
>> I am wandering what views on
>> justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
>
> Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
> riches were unjustly obtained.

You think the riches of landlords were justly gained? Landlords are
social parasites profiting off of the need of people to have shelter.
There is nothing "just" about the relationship between a landlord and a
tenant, anymore than there is between a feudal lord and a serf. The
power imbalance is just too great. Sure you can say the tenant has a
"choice," but it's not really a choice when your options are to either
rent or suffer homelessness.

>
> Do you think Bill Gates deserves to be lynched just because he is so much
> more wealthy than almost everyone on earth?

Yes. One does not make a billion dollars ethically. You know how many
years it'd take to make a billion dollars doing honest work? Two million
years. Does that sound like a single human lifetime to you? The reason
Bill Gates is so wealthy is because he benefits from a system that is
overwhelmingly built in place to prop up people like Gates. Social
mobility is a farce under capitalism. Poverty is not a fluke of the
system, it's a feature.

>
>>>>>> After all, Jews were treated like that since Jews exist.
>>>
>>> Only by some peoples. The Muslims only sporadically did that.
>>> At other times they were the tolerant ones, treating Jews as "People of the Book".
>>>
>>> Leaving old history behind for one line: do you know what the attitude of the Taliban is towards Jews? I don't.
>
>> I don't either.
>
> I learned a lot about that yesterday, after writing the above. The bottom line is here:
> the Jews almost all left Afghanistan, after once numbering over 40,000, first to emigrate to Israel after 1948,
> then almost all of them after the Soviet involvement in 1979. The other day the last Jew in Afghanistan left:
>
> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/afghanistans-jew-leaves-taliban-takeover-79893286
>
> As for the Taliban, this is what the article says close to the end:
> "The Taliban, like other Islamic militant groups, are hostile to Israel but tolerated the country's miniscule Jewish community during their previous reign."
> [Incidentally, the correct spelling is "minuscule".]
> By the way, that "last Jew" reminds me of most of the Montenegrins in Djilas's book.
> Not someone I'd like to meet.
>
>
>>> Jews prospered for a long time in some countries, free of "elimination,"
>>> because they were the entrepreneurs. In WWII the Hungarians were among the Axis
>>> who could not keep the economy going without Jews.
>>> Only after the Germans installed a government of the Hungarian Nazis
>>> ("the Arrow Cross") in 1944 did the elimination of Jews really get underway, IIRC.
>>>
>>>>>> For sure there was a reason for that.
>>>
>>> Until you are sure of the reason, there is no cause for you to play "monkey see, monkey do."
>>> When you are sure, perhaps you won't join it.
>
>> I don't have to be sure about the reasons, and I don't act upon other
>> people's reasons. I have my reasons.
>> But, isn't it significant, never-the-less?
>
> Not necessarily, especially since you aren't telling me about your reasons even now.
>
>>>>>> In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm
>>>>>> majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very
>>>>>> definition of the word "pest"?
>>>
>>> The majority can be tragically wrong sometimes.
>
> One example: the centuries-long mismanagement of the earth's resources.
> Like I said a little over an hour ago on
> "Humans can do math, hence, humans are intelligent animals",
> I foresee the collapse of our civilization by 2300 unless drastic changes are made.

Like abolishing capitalism. Capitalism is the reason we are facing the
current crises we have. You don't fix a problem by using the very same
thing that made that problem in the first place.

>
>
>> Oh, definitely. But, they have "the right" to be whatever they want to
>> be. In other words, they are *always right*, majority is *never* wrong.
>
> Aren't you being resentful about the way things are here? You seem
> to be complaining about the morality of "Might makes right." That is
> the morality of the majority in talk.origins, as far as what they do there goes,
> and that is one reason I fight against it.

On 9/9/2021 4:24 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
[snip idiocy]
>
> Difficult though it is for you and Harshman and Hemidactylus and Oxyaena to understand,

Pot kettle black.

> I distinguish between knowingly engaging in despicable behavior and being the victim of believing things
> that just aren't true, for reasons rooted in one's milieu.
>
>> This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
>> he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
>> eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
>> hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
>> garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
>> i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
>> some bell.
>
> I know too little about Hungarian bigotry that isn't half a century ago to comment.
> I do know a bit about "woke" bigotry that the EU is aggressively strong-arming Hungary with,
> but I'd rather not go into detail about it.

Yeah because you're a homophobe and you support Hungary's repression of
LGBT+ folk. That's why you don't want to go into detail about it.

[snip idiocy]

>
> Peter Nyikos
>

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:21:41 PM UTC-7, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 9.9.2021. 21:10, erik simpson wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:18 AM UTC-7, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> >> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >> [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
> >>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
> >>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
> >>>
> >> I don’t reply to him because of previous experience. After his recent
> >> outbursts about Jews I don’t think engaging him does any good (ditto on
> >> vaccines).
> >>
> >> Not sure why you felt a need to say what you did about Harshman and I
> >> giving a damn about Jews. A bit uncalled for really.
> >>
> >> Do you have impulsivity issues?
> >
> > There are so many unpleasant aspects tp Mario's ramblings that it isn't obvious why
> > Peter is so intrigued with him. This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
> > he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
> > eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
> > hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
> > garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
> > i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
> > some bell. I am sure that Peter's insults would continue whether you gave a damn about Jews or not.
> > That said, I'm through with this thread as it's going nowhere interesting.
> I would just ask you to hold your horses a bit. I am not your wrecking
> beg.
>
> --
> https://groups.google.com/g/human-evolution
> human-e...@googlegroups.com

If I offended, I beg your pardon. My understanding of you is of a man of some native intelligence
who didn't get a very good education. As a result, you trust your personal experience and intuition
over the advice of "experts" or "leaders" who proved frequently wrong. If my experience had been the
same, I'd probably hold a similar postion to yours. But I'm lucky enough to have had a good education, so
I have higher regard for the expertise of those who aren't usually wrong. (By "wrecking beg" I assume you meant
"punching bag"?) If so, I've no intention of punching you or anyone else. At my age, I couldn't do much damage
anyway. I hope you come to recognize that there is reliable knowledge that comes from outside your own
experience. Good luck.

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
> On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >> On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>> On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>> On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> >>>>>>> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try and
> >>>>>>>> judge that some trait
> >>>>>>>> is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment,
> >>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
> >>>>>>>> In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall,
> >>>>>>>> because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
> >>>>>>>> foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
> >>>>>>> animal
> >>>>>>> husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
> >>>>>>> entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
> >>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination
> >>>>>>> from the
> >>>>>>> body politic. That may be an important distinction.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
> >>>>>> also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
> >>>>>> psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
> >>>
> >>> Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
> >>> What have they done to you?
> >
> >> Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
> >> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
> >> Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
> >> everybody knows everything about Jews.
> >
> > Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
> > not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
> > mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
> > anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.

Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List,"
because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of
actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."

> I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
> compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
> Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
> of almost all of its indigenous people.

Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with
the displacement of peoples. Can you point me to a webpage where
it is explained how the partition of Palestine and the resulting displacements
are different in their nature from the partition that created India and Pakistan,
resulting in the displacement of millions of Hindus living in what became Pakistan
and millions of Muslims living in what became India?

That said, I am appalled by the genocides and atrocities by White Anglos against
Native Americans. I cannot understand why there isn't a major hue
and cry against Andrew Jackson, responsible for the deaths of thousands of
Cherokee, including untold numbers of women and children, by
starvation and exposure to cold during the Trail of Tears, being
commemorated by his portrait on the $20 bill.

Mario might not know it, but nowadays automatic teller machines in the USA
almost exclusively give you one denomination: $20 bills.

> >
> >
> >> I could mention other examples,
> >> but then I would need to explain much more.
> >> Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
> >> other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we
> >> were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and
> >> still is, extremely rich).
> >> The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
> >> few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the
> >> investments in Zagreb.
> >
> > They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said
> > in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
> > and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what
> > stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation,
> > buying low and selling high.

> The reason Jewish people have the stereotype of being good at investing
> is because back in the day, they were barred from most other
> professions. The only way for a Jew to feed themselves and their family
> was often banking, so that's what they did.

Quite true. Did you think of making this comment in direct reply to Mario?

> >
> >> Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
> >> justice, I see great injustice in this.
> >
> > If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's
> > _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native
> > Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
> > and it was built into the very character of the people.
> >
> >> I am wandering what views on
> >> justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
> >
> > Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
> > riches were unjustly obtained.

> You think the riches of landlords were justly gained? Landlords are
> social parasites profiting off of the need of people to have shelter.

That's quite an indictment of renting houses and apartments
to people who cannot get a loan to buy a house for themselves.

Are you a Marxist, or just a generalized leftist? Do you agree
with the words of the Communist Manifesto, "Private property is theft."?

Strangely enough, I agree with it under limited circumstances.
I include, for example, the ownership of property on the shores
of lakes dozens of square miles in area with prime boating and fishing possibilities,
to the point where the general public has access to less than 5% of the shoreline,
the rest being exclusive private properties.

I'm short on time, and besides, I'm curious to see whether Harshman or Simpson
or Hemidactylus will respond to this post of yours, so I'm stopping here, less than halfway
through your post.

Simpson bypassed it over an hour after you did it, and responded
to Mario instead, so it'll be especially interesting to see whether he, in particular,
responds to it in the next day or two.

Peter Nyikos

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> >> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> >>
> >>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
> >>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
> >>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
> >
> >> I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
> >> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
> >> proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
> >> somewhere.
> >
> > How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
> > article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
> >
> > "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
> > https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
> >
> > What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
> > virus that our antibodies are unable to target?

> What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.

Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
major damage to the cells.

Peter Nyikos

On 9.9.2021. 21:54, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:23:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 9.9.2021. 16:50, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>
>>> They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said
>>> in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
>>> and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what
>>> stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation,
>>> buying low and selling high.
>
>> You can find just any excuse. The fact is, they don't expand their
>> religion, for the sake of exploiting the hosts.
>
> There you go, completely disregarding what I wrote about Zoroastrians.
> Small wonder: it makes this comment of yours worthless without additional evidence.
>
>
>> They are organized in
>> that way. If they would expand their religion, this mean business
>> wouldn't work.
>
>>>> Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
>>>> justice, I see great injustice in this.
>>>
>>> If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's
>>> _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native
>>> Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
>>> and it was built into the very character of the people.
>
> Will you go on disregarding this? Are you planning to go on talking
> about financial imbalances being injustice despite what you wrote
> below about Bill Gates?

I said that I don't know what about this Djilas is writing, and I also
explained that Bill Gates' imbalances aren't on expense of the others.
Bill Gates doesn't do harm to community, it enriches it.

>>>> I am wandering what views on
>>>> justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
>>>
>>> Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
>>> riches were unjustly obtained.
>>>
>>> Do you think Bill Gates deserves to be lynched just because he is so much
>>> more wealthy than almost everyone on earth?
>
>> Do you think that "robber barons" shouldn't be dealt with?
>
> No, and I believe Gates deserves to be fined at least a billion dollars
> for destroying Netscape. Not content with having taken it over, he
> made sure that thousands of urls to Netscape articles would never work any more.
> Sort of like the Romans sowing the ground of Carthage with salt after
> razing the city to the ground.
>
> There was a time when Netscape seemed almost synonymous with the Internet.
> [Roughly 1993 - 2000.] When was the last time you heard anything about it?

I am almost absolutely sure that Bill Gates works in accordance to USA
government, and in the interest of American people. If it wouldn't be
so, be sure that American government would deal with him a long time
ago. They are not stupid, and they are not Bill Gates' cousins, to allow
him to do whatever he wants.
I am absolutely sure that the net balance of what Bill Gates is doing
is positive for America. Probably all of them, Putin, Kim Jong-un, Xi
Jinping, Miguel Diaz-Canel (Cuba) and Nicolas Maduro have Windows on
their desktops. Discussing such a delicate matters in this context is
senseless.

>> Monopoly is unjust. If you have two brothers among 10 people, those two are twice as
>> strong as any of the other 8. Of course they will prevail. Jews prevail
>> because they are organized. They prevail on their behalf, and to the
>> harm of the host. Now, if those 2 brothers do this to the other 8, what
>> should other 8 do? 8 people should watch how those 2 exploit them? Why?
>> Just because those are 2, and this 8 are single? This 8 can do to those
>> 2 whatever they think they should, those 2 deserved it. It is not their
>> place in that company, because they are so unfriendly, and so mean,
>> towards the others.
>
> Even if this fable is based on reality, it is nothing compared to what Bill Gates has done.
> The hypocrite put a measly $100,000 to a propaganda campaign to make Californians vote themselves
> a $300,000,000 increase in their taxes to support "embryonic stem cell research."
> Bill Gates could easily have footed the whole bill himself, but he was clever enough
> [you might prefer to say "Jewish enough"] to hedge his bets big-time, and his hedging
> paid off: nothing of medical value has emerged from it in a decade and a half,
> while "adult" [actually anything that isn't almost totipotent] stem cells have worked
> one medical triumph after another.
>
>> The business of Bill Gates enriches the American community.
>
> I'd like to see you try to defend this. Microsoft is still pursuing monopoly-type
> practices, and I'm sure Bill Gates is very happy about it. And also about how
> so much computer related hardware, including laptops like mine, is outsourced to China.

The thing with Microsoft is, if Microsoft wouldn't have monopoly in
the USA, it wouldn't have monopoly on the world. It is *very* beneficial
for America that Microsoft (or any other American company, it really
doesn't matter which one) has monopoly on the world, it is so obvious.
If Microsoft is your only argument, then you don't have an argument.

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On 9.9.2021. 23:25, erik simpson wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:21:41 PM UTC-7, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 9.9.2021. 21:10, erik simpson wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:18 AM UTC-7, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
>>>>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
>>>>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
>>>>>
>>>> I don’t reply to him because of previous experience. After his recent
>>>> outbursts about Jews I don’t think engaging him does any good (ditto on
>>>> vaccines).
>>>>
>>>> Not sure why you felt a need to say what you did about Harshman and I
>>>> giving a damn about Jews. A bit uncalled for really.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have impulsivity issues?
>>>
>>> There are so many unpleasant aspects tp Mario's ramblings that it isn't obvious why
>>> Peter is so intrigued with him. This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
>>> he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
>>> eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
>>> hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
>>> garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
>>> i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
>>> some bell. I am sure that Peter's insults would continue whether you gave a damn about Jews or not.
>>> That said, I'm through with this thread as it's going nowhere interesting.
>> I would just ask you to hold your horses a bit. I am not your wrecking
>> beg.
>
> If I offended, I beg your pardon. My understanding of you is of a man of some native intelligence
> who didn't get a very good education. As a result, you trust your personal experience and intuition
> over the advice of "experts" or "leaders" who proved frequently wrong. If my experience had been the
> same, I'd probably hold a similar postion to yours. But I'm lucky enough to have had a good education, so
> I have higher regard for the expertise of those who aren't usually wrong. (By "wrecking beg" I assume you meant
> "punching bag"?) If so, I've no intention of punching you or anyone else. At my age, I couldn't do much damage
> anyway. I hope you come to recognize that there is reliable knowledge that comes from outside your own
> experience. Good luck.

Thanks for the nice reply.
Yes, punching bag.
Your view of me is accurate.
But, it wasn't what you wrote. You started that I am unpleasant, and
not worthy anybody's time. Then you continued about bigoted garbage from
eastern Europe. And then it turned out that it isn't only at that low
level, but suddenly it is also from western Europe. Then it turned out
that it is actually the whole world.
So, you started with something like, he is bubbling some strange sh.t,
and ended up that actually it is strange not to bubble this same sh.t,
because the whole world is doing it (everybody except you, actually).
So, now what? Am I worthless (because I am not important), or is your
denying of what the whole world is doing, actually, worthless?

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On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 5:52:37 PM UTC-7, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 9.9.2021. 23:25, erik simpson wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:21:41 PM UTC-7, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >> On 9.9.2021. 21:10, erik simpson wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:18 AM UTC-7, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> >>>> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
> >>>>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
> >>>>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I don’t reply to him because of previous experience. After his recent
> >>>> outbursts about Jews I don’t think engaging him does any good (ditto on
> >>>> vaccines).
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure why you felt a need to say what you did about Harshman and I
> >>>> giving a damn about Jews. A bit uncalled for really.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you have impulsivity issues?
> >>>
> >>> There are so many unpleasant aspects tp Mario's ramblings that it isn't obvious why
> >>> Peter is so intrigued with him. This isn't to say that Mario is personally reprehensible, but
> >>> he certainly seems to have picked up a bit of bigoted garbage that has floated around in
> >>> eastern Europe for at least hundreds of years. (This also isn't to say that similar bigoted garbage
> >>> hasn't floated around western Europe and pretty much everywhere else, but the tone of the
> >>> garbage is often regionally characteristic.) I am not familiar with Hungarian bigotry although
> >>> i'm sure it's a thing, or whether Peter has sensed something about Mario's ranting that rings
> >>> some bell. I am sure that Peter's insults would continue whether you gave a damn about Jews or not.
> >>> That said, I'm through with this thread as it's going nowhere interesting.
> >> I would just ask you to hold your horses a bit. I am not your wrecking
> >> beg.
> >
> > If I offended, I beg your pardon. My understanding of you is of a man of some native intelligence
> > who didn't get a very good education. As a result, you trust your personal experience and intuition
> > over the advice of "experts" or "leaders" who proved frequently wrong. If my experience had been the
> > same, I'd probably hold a similar postion to yours. But I'm lucky enough to have had a good education, so
> > I have higher regard for the expertise of those who aren't usually wrong. (By "wrecking beg" I assume you meant
> > "punching bag"?) If so, I've no intention of punching you or anyone else. At my age, I couldn't do much damage
> > anyway. I hope you come to recognize that there is reliable knowledge that comes from outside your own
> > experience. Good luck.
> Thanks for the nice reply.
> Yes, punching bag.
> Your view of me is accurate.
> But, it wasn't what you wrote. You started that I am unpleasant, and
> not worthy anybody's time. Then you continued about bigoted garbage from
> eastern Europe. And then it turned out that it isn't only at that low
> level, but suddenly it is also from western Europe. Then it turned out
> that it is actually the whole world.
> So, you started with something like, he is bubbling some strange sh.t,
> and ended up that actually it is strange not to bubble this same sh.t,
> because the whole world is doing it (everybody except you, actually).
> So, now what? Am I worthless (because I am not important), or is your
> denying of what the whole world is doing, actually, worthless?
>
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Everybody, including myself, picks up garbage that's lying around, just because it's around,
and at least at first, we don't realize it. We all, you, me, Nyikos, etc. have what I believe is a
moral responsibility to try to do better. My grandmother lived with my immediate family when
I was a kid, and she was a wonderful person burdened with some characteristic American bigotry
of the late 19th century. It wasn't easy for her to get rid of those prejudices (she never completely did)
but she made a strong effort. I can only hope to do as well. Worthlessness is failing to make the effort.
The whole world is (I think) getting better, agonizingly slowly, with serious setbacks.

On 9.9.2021. 22:41, Oxyaena wrote:
> On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic
>> wrote:
>>> On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario
>>>> Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>>>> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than
>>>>>>>>> to try and
>>>>>>>>> judge that some trait
>>>>>>>>> is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment,
>>>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
>>>>>>>>> In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall,
>>>>>>>>> because the environment favored large size; today the same
>>>>>>>>> species only has six
>>>>>>>>> foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
>>>>>>>> animal
>>>>>>>> husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing
>>>>>>>> wasn’t
>>>>>>>> entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
>>>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination
>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>> body politic. That may be an important distinction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
>>>>>>> also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
>>>>>>> psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
>>>>
>>>> Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
>>>> What have they done to you?
>>
>>> Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
>>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
>>> Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
>>> everybody knows everything about Jews.
>>
>> Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
>> not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
>> mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
>> anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
>
> I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
> compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
> Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
> of almost all of its indigenous people.
>
>>
>>
>>> I could mention other examples,
>>> but then I would need to explain much more.
>>> Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
>>> other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we
>>> were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and
>>> still is, extremely rich).
>>> The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
>>> few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the
>>> investments in Zagreb.
>>
>> They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing
>> said
>> in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings
>> accounts,
>> and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what
>> stocks are for: dividends.  Everyone seems to be focused on speculation,
>> buying low and selling high.
>
> The reason Jewish people have the stereotype of being good at investing
> is because back in the day, they were barred from most other
> professions. The only way for a Jew to feed themselves and their family
> was often banking, so that's what they did.

I heard about this fairy tale, but I don't believe it. Like somebody
would deny me to be poor, and force me to be rich. Jesus Christ, I
cannot believe this, no way.
This world is revolving around money for the last 2,600 years. And you
are saying that somebody forced Jews to deal only with money, to control
the bloodstream of society, and they mustn't do anything else.
Well, I heard hundreds of communist fairy tales in my lifetime, and
this one sounds just like one of those.

>>> Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
>>> justice, I see great injustice in this.
>>
>> If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's
>> _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native
>> Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
>> and it was built into the very character of the people.
>>
>>>   I am wandering what views on
>>> justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
>>
>> Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
>> riches were unjustly obtained.
>
> You think the riches of landlords were justly gained? Landlords are
> social parasites profiting off of the need of people to have shelter.
> There is nothing "just" about the relationship between a landlord and a
> tenant, anymore than there is between a feudal lord and a serf. The
> power imbalance is just too great. Sure you can say the tenant has a
> "choice," but it's not really a choice when your options are to either
> rent or suffer homelessness.

I believe that this is a product of capitalism, that it is made in
accordance to the needs of society, and that capitalism is the best system.

>> Do you think Bill Gates deserves to be lynched just because he is so much
>> more wealthy than almost everyone on earth?
>
> Yes. One does not make a billion dollars ethically. You know how many
> years it'd take to make a billion dollars doing honest work? Two million
> years. Does that sound like a single human lifetime to you? The reason
> Bill Gates is so wealthy is because he benefits from a system that is
> overwhelmingly built in place to prop up people like Gates. Social
> mobility is a farce under capitalism. Poverty is not a fluke of the
> system, it's a feature.

Well, it looks like you cannot have one without the other. As far as I
know, the poverty line is if you give more than 25 % of your income on
food. The average for Croatia (for all the people) is 27 %. Croats are
convinced that there is no poverty in Croatia (and they will talk and
explain this to you for hours, poor you, who lives in USA which is full
with poverty), and that there is a lot of poverty in the USA. Idiots.
And you will listen to this idiots, and you will find "first hand" that
Croatia is a Paradise, especially compared to the USA. Mind you, those
are all poor people, who never had enough money to pay themselves a trip
abroad, to see for themselves how the other people are living.
For example, in Yugoslavia we had free higher education (isn't it a
Paradise?). It is very expensive in the USA. Yet, Yugoslavia had only 7
% of people to go to colleges, while USA has 28 %, four times more.

>>>>>>> After all, Jews were treated like that since Jews exist.
>>>>
>>>> Only by some peoples. The Muslims only sporadically did that.
>>>> At other times they were the tolerant ones, treating Jews as "People
>>>> of the Book".
>>>>
>>>> Leaving old history behind for one line: do you know what the
>>>> attitude of the Taliban is towards Jews? I don't.
>>
>>> I don't either.
>>
>> I learned a lot about that yesterday, after writing the above. The
>> bottom line is here:
>> the Jews almost all left Afghanistan, after once  numbering over
>> 40,000, first to emigrate to Israel after 1948,
>> then almost all of them after the Soviet involvement in 1979.   The
>> other day the last Jew in Afghanistan left:
>>
>> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/afghanistans-jew-leaves-taliban-takeover-79893286
>>
>>
>> As for the Taliban, this is what the article says close to the end:
>> "The Taliban, like other Islamic militant groups, are hostile to
>> Israel but tolerated the country's miniscule Jewish community during
>> their previous reign."
>> [Incidentally, the correct spelling is "minuscule".]
>> By the way, that "last Jew" reminds me of most of the Montenegrins in
>> Djilas's book.
>> Not someone I'd like to meet.
>>
>>
>>>> Jews prospered for a long time in some countries, free of
>>>> "elimination,"
>>>> because they were the entrepreneurs. In WWII the Hungarians were
>>>> among the Axis
>>>> who could not keep the economy going without Jews.
>>>> Only after the Germans installed a government of the Hungarian Nazis
>>>> ("the Arrow Cross") in 1944 did the elimination of Jews really get
>>>> underway, IIRC.
>>>>
>>>>>>> For sure there was a reason for that.
>>>>
>>>> Until you are sure of the reason, there is no cause for you to play
>>>> "monkey see, monkey do."
>>>> When you are sure, perhaps you won't join it.
>>
>>> I don't have to be sure about the reasons, and I don't act upon other
>>> people's reasons. I have my reasons.
>>> But, isn't it significant, never-the-less?
>>
>> Not necessarily, especially since you aren't telling  me about your
>> reasons even now.
>>
>>>>>>> In democracy (as I am seeing it), he who does things to harm
>>>>>>> majority, he should be treated as a pest. Isn't this the very
>>>>>>> definition of the word "pest"?
>>>>
>>>> The majority can be tragically wrong sometimes.
>>
>> One example: the centuries-long mismanagement of the earth's resources.
>> Like I said a little over an hour ago on
>> "Humans can do math, hence, humans are intelligent animals",
>> I foresee the collapse of our civilization by 2300 unless drastic
>> changes are made.
>
> Like abolishing capitalism. Capitalism is the reason we are facing the
> current crises we have. You don't fix a problem by using the very same
> thing that made that problem in the first place.
>
>>
>>
>>> Oh, definitely. But, they have "the right" to be whatever they want to
>>> be. In other words, they are *always right*, majority is *never* wrong.
>>
>> Aren't you being resentful about the way things are here? You seem
>> to be complaining about the morality of "Might makes right." That is
>> the morality of the majority in talk.origins, as far as what they do
>> there goes,
>> and that is one reason I fight against it.
>
> Yeah fuck off, talk.origins has nothing to do with this thread.
>
>>
>>
>>> Now, you are the one who is imposing *your* religious believes onto
>>> others. And you don't have any right to do so.
>>
>> Not I. Who does "you" refer to?
>>
>>>>>>> "A pest is any animal or plant harmful to humans or human
>>>>>>> concerns."
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(organism)
>>>>>>> I was always a minority, I was always different. I even
>>>>>>> declared myself as a minority, while my both parents are Croats, at
>>>>>>> one time I declared myself an American, and later, an Italian.
>>>>>>> But, whatever I do, I am doing it for the benefit of the
>>>>>>> majority, otherwise, why would they tolerate me?
>>>>
>>>> You are being very simplistic here. Need I tell you why?
>>> I am always pretty simplistic.
>>
>> In this case, it's sad that people around you are so intolerant,
>> that you can't feel free to do things that don't do what the majority
>> thinks will benefit them.
>>
>>
>>>>>>> After all, I am
>>>>>>> shitting onto their world, it is me who is not to standards, who is
>>>>>>> wrong, not them, it is their world, one should have respect for
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Here in America, there are all kinds of people, with none in the
>>>> majority any more.
>>>> It's a very much more heterogeneous society than Croatia, or Hungary.
>>
>>> Yes, I am aware of that. America is, never-the-less, nothing like
>>> Bosnia, or Afghanistan, for example. Do you really want it to be like
>>> Bosnia, or Afghanistan, one day?
>>
>> Of course not. And the way you write about it, I wouldn't want it to
>> be like Croatia either.
>
> America is a big part of the reason why the former Yugoslavia and
> Afghanistan are in such poor straits nowadays, which you'd know if you
> bothered to read up on the social sciences.

On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
>>>>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
>>>>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
>>>
>>>> I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
>>>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
>>>> proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
>>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
>>> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
>>>
>>> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
>>> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
>>>
>>> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
>>> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
>
>> What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
>> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
>
> Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
> the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
> to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
> major damage to the cells.

Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells. Instead it
coopts the lysosome to exit. And it appears that nobody actually knows
for sure how the virus damages the body. Still, it isn't the spike
protein that does it.

On 10.9.2021. 3:41, John Harshman wrote:
> On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it
>>>>>> until evening,
>>>>>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn
>>>>>> about either Jews
>>>>>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on
>>>>>> either subject.
>>>>
>>>>> I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
>>>>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
>>>>> proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the
>>>>> line
>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination?
>>>> Here is something in the
>>>> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
>>>>
>>>> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make
>>>> anyone sick."
>>>> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly
>>>> sick? Some other part of the
>>>> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
>>
>>> What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
>>> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
>>
>> Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature.
>> Somehow I imagined
>> the  viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by
>> mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
>> to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their
>> exits causing
>> major damage to the cells.
>
> Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells. Instead it
> coopts the lysosome to exit. And it appears that nobody actually knows
> for sure how the virus damages the body. Still, it isn't the spike
> protein that does it.

I am telling you people, but you refuse to listen. Everything was
known since the beginning, but nobody talks about this anymore. It isn't
the virus, what is killing us is the harsh reaction of our immune system
to that virus. Our immune system is killing us, because it doesn't work
as advertised, anymore.

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On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> > On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> >
> > > Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
> > > to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
> > > or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
>
> > I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
> > And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
> > proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
> > somewhere.
> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
>
> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
>
> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
>
One opinion;

'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining the throat. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."

https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856

Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.

And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to mind.

On 10.9.2021. 5:46, Glenn wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>>
>>>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
>>>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
>>>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
>>
>>> I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
>>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
>>> proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
>>> somewhere.
>> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
>> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
>>
>> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
>> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
>>
>> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
>> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
>>
> One opinion;
>
> 'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining the throat. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."
>
> https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
>
> Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
>
> And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to mind.

Exactly, lol. Count on Mario Petrinovic.
Thanks Glenn, :) .

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On 10.9.2021. 6:28, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 10.9.2021. 5:46, Glenn wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until
>>>>> evening,
>>>>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn
>>>>> about either Jews
>>>>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on
>>>>> either subject.
>>>
>>>> I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
>>>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
>>>> proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
>>>> somewhere.
>>> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination?
>>> Here is something in the
>>> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
>>>
>>> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make
>>> anyone sick. "
>>> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
>>>
>>>
>>> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly
>>> sick? Some other part of the
>>> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
>>>
>> One opinion;
>>
>> 'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like
>> substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining
>> the throat. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness
>> caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying
>> out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading.
>> Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung
>> tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning
>> out the virus and any infected cells."
>>
>> https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
>>
>>
>> Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
>>
>> And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to
>> mind.
>
>         Exactly, lol. Count on Mario Petrinovic.
>         Thanks Glenn, :) .

It is the interpretation thing. Some people interpret everything
wrongly. Even if they have some knowledge, they interpret it wrongly.
For the reason I cannot grasp, lol.

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On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 8:46:05 PM UTC-7, Glenn wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> > > On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > >
> > > > Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
> > > > to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
> > > > or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
> >
> > > I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite..
> > > And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
> > > proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
> > > somewhere.
> > How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
> > article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
> >
> > "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
> > https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
> >
> > What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
> > virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
> >
> One opinion;
>
> 'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining the throat.. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."
>
> https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
>
> Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
>
> And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to mind..

More directly to your question of why some people get deathly sick and others not, there may be one reason for some people:

"In other words, the cigarette smoke extract and these two drugs—all of which act as activators of AHR—are able to suppress the expression of ACE2 in mammalian cells, and by doing so, reduce the ability of the SARS-CoV-2 virus to enter the cell."

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-drugs-mimic-effects-cigarette-sars-cov-.html

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> > > On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > >
> > > > Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
> > > > to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
> > > > or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
> >
> > > I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite..
> > > And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
> > > proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
> > > somewhere.
> > How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
> > article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
> >
> > "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
> > https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
> >
> > What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
> > virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
> >
> One opinion;
>
> 'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining the throat.. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."
>
> https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856

I'm a tad surprised. I try to keep up with The Conversation when it's about a number of topics of
first rate importance, but I think I missed this one.

Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.

> Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.

Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing

You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
"Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"

[Technical detail: employees can opt out if they test every week, as long as they
test negative every time. But most employees will not want to take that risk.]

> And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to mind..

I don't mind, but for a surprising reason: I know that a lot of what we've written on why the mRNA
vaccines are safe IS relevant to a lot of paleontology.

I don't think that's the reason anyone else doesn't mind. It takes someone with
my peculiar qualities to see a connection.

1. I am good at thinking outside the box. Except perhaps for Mario, the regulars
besides me demonstrate all kinds of stereotyped thinking. Harshman, for instance,
has the impressive specialized knowledge and skills of an idiot savant when it
comes to certain aspects of systematics and ornithology, but even there,
he is not good at making connections between disparate parts of his expertise.
Once those "savant" skills no longer avail him, he is a lot like the "idiot" half of "idiot savant".

2. I take the scientific side of the anti-vaxxer challenge seriously. The others [here, I think
Mario doesn't care] have a strong authoritarian streak that manifests itself in political activism.
See my comments about the Biden would-be mandate.

It's even worse with some of their allies in talk.origins. I was denounced as being
responsible for untold numbers of deaths by daring to ASK A QUESTION about the
very thing where I found the connection that I will be introducing next Monday.
The person who did it was welcomed to talk.origins by Harshman as having "true grit"
in return for doing an unprovoked, unsupported personal attack against me.

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
University of South Carolina
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

PS Spoiler: the title of the thread, slated for next Monday, will be:

"Ancient bornaviruses and modern vaccines."

The "Ancient" gives the paleontological connection. Although viruses are not known to fossilize,
their effects go back millions of years on mammals and other vertebrates.

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> > > > On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
> > > > > to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
> > > > > or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
> > >
> > > > I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
> > > > And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
> > > > proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
> > > > somewhere.
> > > How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
> > > article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
> > >
> > > "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick. "
> > > https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
> > >
> > > What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
> > > virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
> > >
> > One opinion;
> >
> > 'SARS-CoV-2 grows in type II lung cells, which secrete a soap-like substance that helps air slip deep into the lungs, and in cells lining the throat. As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."
> >
> > https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
> I'm a tad surprised. I try to keep up with The Conversation when it's about a number of topics of
> first rate importance, but I think I missed this one.
>
> Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
> the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
> that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
> > Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
> Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
> Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
> make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
> unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
>
> You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
> from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
> "Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
>
> [Technical detail: employees can opt out if they test every week, as long as they
> test negative every time. But most employees will not want to take that risk.]
> > And this is way off topic for this froup. funny that no one seems to mind.
> I don't mind, but for a surprising reason: I know that a lot of what we've written on why the mRNA
> vaccines are safe IS relevant to a lot of paleontology.
>
> I don't think that's the reason anyone else doesn't mind. It takes someone with
> my peculiar qualities to see a connection.
>
> 1. I am good at thinking outside the box. Except perhaps for Mario, the regulars
> besides me demonstrate all kinds of stereotyped thinking. Harshman, for instance,
> has the impressive specialized knowledge and skills of an idiot savant when it
> comes to certain aspects of systematics and ornithology, but even there,
> he is not good at making connections between disparate parts of his expertise.
> Once those "savant" skills no longer avail him, he is a lot like the "idiot" half of "idiot savant".
>
> 2. I take the scientific side of the anti-vaxxer challenge seriously. The others [here, I think
> Mario doesn't care] have a strong authoritarian streak that manifests itself in political activism.
> See my comments about the Biden would-be mandate.
>
> It's even worse with some of their allies in talk.origins. I was denounced as being
> responsible for untold numbers of deaths by daring to ASK A QUESTION about the
> very thing where I found the connection that I will be introducing next Monday.
> The person who did it was welcomed to talk.origins by Harshman as having "true grit"
> in return for doing an unprovoked, unsupported personal attack against me..
>
>
> Peter Nyikos
> Professor, Dept. of Mathematics -- standard disclaimer--
> University of South Carolina
> http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos
>
> PS Spoiler: the title of the thread, slated for next Monday, will be:
>
> "Ancient bornaviruses and modern vaccines."
>
> The "Ancient" gives the paleontological connection. Although viruses are not known to fossilize,
> their effects go back millions of years on mammals and other vertebrates.

This may interest you:

"A Large Number of Protein Folds Shared Exclusively between Viruses and Their Host Genomes Were Likely Transferred from Viruses to Cells"

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2017.02110/full

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:

>
> Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
> the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
> that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
> > Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
> Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
> Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
> make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
> unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
>
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
>
> You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
> from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
> "Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
>

Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions. Actually,
you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
Along with your insight into others' "real meanings", you are batting near zero here.

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 5:34:02 PM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>
> >
> > Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
> > the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
> > that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
> > > Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
> > Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
> > Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
> > make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
> > unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
> >
> > https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
> >
> > You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
> > from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
> > "Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
> >
> Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions.

Since I didn't say anything about them specifically, but only used one illustrative example
about "the likes of them" [which does not mean "them, personally], you are building a castle in the air.

> you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.

Irrelevant. The only issue is whether your views on SOME political matters change markedly,
particularly in reaction to shifts in the prevailing winds. There have been many
in the last two decades, you know, as long as you realize that changes in prevailing values
are very much part of political change.

If it's anything like your flip-flops here, it's a no-brainer. For three years now, you've been going from
"Peter is boring, I hardly pay any attention to him any more" and "I'm done with this thread"
to showing how magically your "boredom" disappears when you think you can get the upper
hand on me, and how you often return to a thread soon after claiming you are done with it.
On "Vaccinations," you already "went back on your word" in less than a day after supposedly being done.

> Along with your insight into others' "real meanings", you are batting near zero here

You are too cagey to even hint at what you are referring to here, so the last clause is just hot air.

Peter Nyios

On 9/9/2021 7:31 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
>> On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try and
>>>>>>>>>> judge that some trait
>>>>>>>>>> is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment,
>>>>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
>>>>>>>>>> In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall,
>>>>>>>>>> because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
>>>>>>>>>> foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
>>>>>>>>> animal
>>>>>>>>> husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
>>>>>>>>> entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
>>>>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination
>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>> body politic. That may be an important distinction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
>>>>>>>> also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
>>>>>>>> psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
>>>>> What have they done to you?
>>>
>>>> Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
>>>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
>>>> Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
>>>> everybody knows everything about Jews.
>>>
>>> Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
>>> not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
>>> mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
>>> anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
>
> Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List,"
> because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
> campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of
> actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
>
>> I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
>> compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
>> Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
>> of almost all of its indigenous people.
>
> Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with
> the displacement of peoples.

Interesting how you whitewash the cold-blooded 75+ year long oppression
of the Palestinian people as "mere ethnic displacement." You've always
been a piece of shit, Peter, but this is a new low even for you.

> Can you point me to a webpage where
> it is explained how the partition of Palestine and the resulting displacements
> are different in their nature from the partition that created India and Pakistan,
> resulting in the displacement of millions of Hindus living in what became Pakistan
> and millions of Muslims living in what became India?

Does that make it any better? Palestinians are to this day oppressed by
the Apartheid regime in Israel, or have you shoved your head so far up
your own ass that Apartheid in any form is a "good thing" that we should
strive for? Both the partitions of the Indian subcontinent and Palestine
are the results of British imperialism, so they share common ground in
that front.

>
> That said, I am appalled by the genocides and atrocities by White Anglos against
> Native Americans. I cannot understand why there isn't a major hue
> and cry against Andrew Jackson, responsible for the deaths of thousands of
> Cherokee, including untold numbers of women and children, by
> starvation and exposure to cold during the Trail of Tears, being
> commemorated by his portrait on the $20 bill.

I have to agree with you there.

>
> Mario might not know it, but nowadays automatic teller machines in the USA
> almost exclusively give you one denomination: $20 bills.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I could mention other examples,
>>>> but then I would need to explain much more.
>>>> Regarding me and Jews. I grew up in richer neighborhood, and one of
>>>> other two kids in my street is a Jew. So, we were friends from since we
>>>> were kids, and we were always in good relationship (and yes, he was, and
>>>> still is, extremely rich).
>>>> The other thing that I know is from history. I know that there were
>>>> few percentages of Jews in Zagreb, but they were holding 85 % of all the
>>>> investments in Zagreb.
>>>
>>> They know a lot about investing; most people do not. There is nothing said
>>> in our elementary or secondary schools about investing, except savings accounts,
>>> and those are almost worthless these days. They don't even teach you what
>>> stocks are for: dividends. Everyone seems to be focused on speculation,
>>> buying low and selling high.
>
>> The reason Jewish people have the stereotype of being good at investing
>> is because back in the day, they were barred from most other
>> professions. The only way for a Jew to feed themselves and their family
>> was often banking, so that's what they did.
>
> Quite true. Did you think of making this comment in direct reply to Mario?

I was adding context to something you ignored and failed to cover upon.

>
>
>>>
>>>> Being a guy who is predominantly considered about
>>>> justice, I see great injustice in this.
>>>
>>> If you think that is injustice, you really ought to read Milovan Djilas's
>>> _Land_Without_Justice, about REAL injustices that pervaded his native
>>> Montenegro. It was as bad as the "justice" meted out by the Mafia,
>>> and it was built into the very character of the people.
>>>
>>>> I am wandering what views on
>>>> justice have people who don't care about such an imbalance?
>>>
>>> Financial imbalances have nothing to do with justice, unless the
>>> riches were unjustly obtained.
>
>> You think the riches of landlords were justly gained? Landlords are
>> social parasites profiting off of the need of people to have shelter.
>
> That's quite an indictment of renting houses and apartments
> to people who cannot get a loan to buy a house for themselves.

As someone who's been the victim of parasitic landlords in the past,
yes, it is quite the indictment, one I'll stand by until the day I die.

>
> Are you a Marxist, or just a generalized leftist? Do you agree
> with the words of the Communist Manifesto, "Private property is theft."?

I'm an anarchist, and I believe Proudhon put it better: "Property is
robbery." I believe in a usufructuary conception of property: occupation
and usage. If you ain't living on it and using that land, it's not
yours. That would eliminate the problem of parasitic absentee
landlordism outright.

>
> Strangely enough, I agree with it under limited circumstances.
> I include, for example, the ownership of property on the shores
> of lakes dozens of square miles in area with prime boating and fishing possibilities,
> to the point where the general public has access to less than 5% of the shoreline,
> the rest being exclusive private properties.

All property has been either seized at gunpoint from the indigenous or
parceled out of the commons via fiat. The very history of private
property is one of theft and robbery.

On 9/10/2021 8:14 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 5:34:02 PM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
>> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
>>> the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
>>> that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
>>>> Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
>>> Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
>>> Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
>>> make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
>>> unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
>>>
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
>>>
>>> You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
>>> from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
>>> "Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
>>>
>> Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions.
>
> Since I didn't say anything about them specifically, but only used one illustrative example
> about "the likes of them" [which does not mean "them, personally], you are building a castle in the air.

Then why did you say "the likes of them" and why did you use that
specific example? We all know you're a stickler for the fascist right,
or at the very least an enabler of it. There's no need to pretend otherwise.

>
>
>> you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
>
> Irrelevant.

Wrong. It is very relevant. You specifically cited Simpson as an example
of "the likes of them," and then proceeded to expound upon Simpson's
implicit political positions.

[snip idiocy[

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:31:53 PM UTC-7, Oxyaena wrote:
> On 9/9/2021 7:31 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
> >> On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>> On 9.9.2021. 3:24, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8.9.2021. 15:06, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 9/8/21 6:01 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 8.9.2021. 12:02, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Except in the most obvious cases, [biologists] know better than to try and
> >>>>>>>>>> judge that some trait
> >>>>>>>>>> is more fit than another. A great deal depends on the environment,
> >>>>>>>>>> which is too unpredictable.
> >>>>>>>>>> In the last ice age there were gray kangaroos ten feet tall,
> >>>>>>>>>> because the environment favored large size; today the same species only has six
> >>>>>>>>>> foot tall kangaroos, because that is what the environment favors.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Nazis were engaged in a dubious form of artificial selection or
> >>>>>>>>> animal
> >>>>>>>>> husbandry in their Master Race schema. But what they were doing wasn’t
> >>>>>>>>> entirely eugenics. They pivoted to a hygiene model treating certain
> >>>>>>>>> ethnicities as socially detrimental pathogens needing elimination
> >>>>>>>>> from the
> >>>>>>>>> body politic. That may be an important distinction.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't know much about what you are writing, but my belief
> >>>>>>>> also is that certain ethnicities (or groups, or types, like
> >>>>>>>> psychopaths) should be eliminated as a form of hygiene.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Using whose criteria? Why do you latch onto Jews right away?
> >>>>> What have they done to you?
> >>>
> >>>> Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
> >>>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
> >>>> Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
> >>>> everybody knows everything about Jews.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
> >>> not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
> >>> mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
> >>> anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
> >
> > Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List,"
> > because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
> > campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of
> > actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
> >
> >> I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
> >> compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
> >> Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
> >> of almost all of its indigenous people.
> >
> > Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with
> > the displacement of peoples.
> Interesting how you whitewash the cold-blooded 75+ year long oppression
> of the Palestinian people as "mere ethnic displacement." You've always
> been a piece of shit, Peter, but this is a new low even for you.

The piece of shit here is the one that added "mere".

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-7, Oxyaena wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 8:14 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 5:34:02 PM UTC-4, erik simpson wrote:
> >> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
> >>> the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
> >>> that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
> >>>> Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
> >>> Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
> >>> Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
> >>> make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
> >>> unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
> >>>
> >>> You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
> >>> from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
> >>> "Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
> >>>
> >> Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions.
> >
> > Since I didn't say anything about them specifically, but only used one illustrative example
> > about "the likes of them" [which does not mean "them, personally], you are building a castle in the air.
> Then why did you say "the likes of them" and why did you use that
> specific example? We all know you're a stickler for the fascist right,
> or at the very least an enabler of it. There's no need to pretend otherwise.
> >
> >
> >> you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
> >
> > Irrelevant.
> Wrong. It is very relevant. You specifically cited Simpson as an example
> of "the likes of them," and then proceeded to expound upon Simpson's
> implicit political positions.
>
> [snip idiocy[
Fret not. It's just Peter.

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 2:34:02 PM UTC-7, erik simpson wrote:
> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 12:03:49 PM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>
> >
> > Ironically, it looks like this is one of the few places where the anti-vaxxers have more on the ball than
> > the ones who cancel them in social media. They've been harping on this reaction as evidence
> > that the virus itself is harmless and it is only the body attacking itself that is the real cause of Covid-19.
> > > Don't count on Eric or John to really know anything.
> > Right, they are more interested in government imposed mandates than in science.
> > Biden's hot-off-the-presses plan to "deputize" any employer with 100 or more employees to
> > make them "take the jab" is sure to be near and dear their hearts, especially the fact that,
> > unlike regular "deputizing," which is voluntary, this one would be like the draft.
> >
> > https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/will-joe-biden-e2-80-99s-vaccine-mandate-for-large-companies-have-legal-ramifications/ar-AAOj3Mm?ocid=uxbndlbing
> >
> > You know, draft, the thing that elicited draft card burning and "Hell, no, we won't go" in the 60's
> > from the likes of them. But their kind of politics is the kind that goes without a hitch from
> > "Four legs good, two legs bad!" to "Four legs good, two legs *better*!"
> >
> Just for the record, Peter, you would be hard-put to be more wrong about my political positions. Actually,
> you have no evidence of them, as I've been careful not to introduce them. Nor will I expound on them now.
> Along with your insight into others' "real meanings", you are batting near zero here.

So you are more interested in "the science" of COVID than in getting everyone vaccinated. Good to know.