On 9/16/2021 12:52 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> As expected in Thread Diluting Kaffeeklatsches like the one in which Erik and jillery
> are indulging, jillery demonstrates a JTEM-level fondness for trolling.

Mote beam eye.

>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 08:08:05 -0700 (PDT), erik simpson
>> <eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:25:34 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
>>>> <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 6:35:41 AM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that
>>>>> 69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
>>>> That's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter,
>>>> which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
>>>> about.
>
> I know plenty about what I was talking about, the speculation about
> the coronavirus which Harshman had second thoughts about.
>

Bullshit, your comments here show otherwise.

[snip idiocy]

>
>
>> Lately??? I would go along with "even more confused", although this
>> may be yet another case of his satirical self-parodies.
>
> This JTEM-level trolling will be shown to be on that level for anyone
> who replies directly to this post, without deleting anything in it.

Well it's a good thing I snipped loads of your mindless spam then, huh?
Or wait, you might actually take that seriously. Never mind.

>
>
> Peter Nyikos
>

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:52:12 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> >That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that
>> >> >69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
>> >> That's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter,
>> >> which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
>> >> about.
>
>I know plenty about what I was talking about, the speculation about
>the coronavirus which Harshman had second thoughts about.

If only the peter had limited his reply to such speculation, instead
of spamming his mindless noise.

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:49:24 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 09:52:12 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
> <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >That's the "jillery" [one-person?] organization posting: I'd recognize that
> >> >> >69jp anywhere, despite the masking.
> >> >> That's the willfully stupid mindless noise generator called the peter,
> >> >> which he posts because he knows he has no idea what he's talking
> >> >> about.
> >
> >I know plenty about what I was talking about, the speculation about
> >the coronavirus which Harshman had second thoughts about.
> If only the peter had limited his reply to such speculation, instead
> of spamming his mindless noise.

How do you even walk, with those crooked hind legs?

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 20:18:24 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennSheldon@msn.com>
wrote:

>How do you even walk, with those crooked hind legs?

How do you even breathe, with only one working brain cell?

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:03:40 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 20:18:24 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
> >How do you even walk, with those crooked hind legs?
> How do you even breathe, with only one working brain cell?

Breathing is autonomic, and not analogous to compulsive lying.

On 9/17/2021 12:03 AM, jillery wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 20:18:24 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennSheldon@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>> How do you even walk, with those crooked hind legs?
>
>
> How do you even breathe, with only one working brain cell?
>

You how do even?

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
> >Perhaps, actually quite likely, you think it fair to snip relevant content because you think other's do the same..

> You still can't read minds any better than you can read English.

Yes, Glenn doesn't know that you snip relevant content by me because you know
I snip either content that I address in later posts or content that is completely superfluous.

And when you snip relevant content after I've snipped superfluous content,
you frequently write:

"Works for me"

or "Thanks for the precedent"

with either version followed by

"You never learn."

This signals how pleased you are of your meltdown of all snips into one shade of gray.

And I'm sure Oxyaena, who vies with Casanova for the honor of being the most
ardent ally of BOTH you and Harshman, is pleased with the way you are
carrying on this perennial talk.origins custom of yours here.

Peter Nyikos

PS I doubt that Harshman will complain this time about me mentioning people not present.
I believe he will ignore this post, for the usual reason:
"What Harshman doesn't know won't hurt him."

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 05:55:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Perhaps, actually quite likely, you think it fair to snip relevant content because you think other's do the same..
>
>> You still can't read minds any better than you can read English.
>
>Yes, Glenn doesn't know that you snip relevant content by me because you know
>I snip either content that I address in later posts or content that is completely superfluous.

You can't read minds any better than Glenn.

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 6:49:49 AM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 05:55:25 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
> <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:39:03 PM UTC-4, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >Perhaps, actually quite likely, you think it fair to snip relevant content because you think other's do the same..
> >
> >> You still can't read minds any better than you can read English.
> >
> >Yes, Glenn doesn't know that you snip relevant content by me because you know
> >I snip either content that I address in later posts or content that is completely superfluous.
> You can't read minds any better than Glenn.

Did you know this?

"There are many other innate immune cells, such as dendritic cells, gamma–delta T cells, and natural killer (NK) cells"

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2026131

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennSheldon@msn.com>
wrote:

>Did you know this?
>
>"There are many other innate immune cells, such as dendritic cells, gamma–delta T cells, and natural killer (NK) cells"
>
>https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2026131

Did you know this?
****************************
It has also been argued that this possible Megalosaurus bone was given
the very first species name ever applied to an extinct dinosaur.
Plot's engraving of the Cornwell bone was again used in a book by
Richard Brookes in 1763. Brookes, in a caption, called it "Scrotum
humanum," apparently comparing its appearance to a pair of "human
testicles".
****************************

While both your cite and mine are completely irrelevant to anything
anybody wrote in this topic, mine is unique by being topical to the
froup.

I have some good news and some bad news for you, Oxyaena.

The good news is that, based on the evidence available to me, JTEM has surpassed
both Harshman [1] and Erik Simpson [2], two of your favorite people, in trollishness.

The bad news [3] is that he still has a long way to go before he surpasses you.
And he'll have to troll someone else for a while to gain on you, because I'm
done "feeding the troll" where he is concerned, for the rest of this month.

[1] This is significant, because, as you might recall from an s.b.p. thread
a few years back, having to do with the sperm of hominids, JTEM succeeded
in making it look like Harshman was trolling and JTEM was "feeding the troll".

[2] This is also significant, because Erik trolled me by saying it should
be obvious to me that JTEM is a troll, but in fact the evidence available to
me was far more extensive in the direction of Erik being a troll than JTEM being
a troll. Even now, that is true, but JTEM makes up in quality what he lacks in quantity.

[3] I'm assuming, of course, that you would prefer that people not think of
you as a troll. If I am wrong about that, then of course it would be good news.
In particular, you exhibited extraordinary ingenuity during the year I boycotted
you, in a huge number of posts, of trolling me so cleverly that you had some reason
to believe that I would quite forget myself and reply to you before 2019 was up.

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:27:41 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
> On 9/16/2021 12:04 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>
> [snip idiocy and bootlicking of Glenn]

This whopper of a lie is of the near-perfect quality trolling that put JTEM over Erik in the competition.
There is no idiocy in what you snipped, and you know it -- you aren't the mental basket
case that you became when you were Thrinaxodon at your worst.

And "bootlicking" is a classic case of projection: your snip-n-deceive is a bootlicking
of your dearly beloved jillery.

She has cravenly avoided supporting her "FTR" about the coronavirus to this day,
on grounds that she would flame anyone else for if they did it to her, and thus her
performance qualifies as JTEM magnitude trolling.

I think you know those grounds of jillery's very well, and thoroughly approve of them.
But if you jumped into an argument you know nothing about, I'm willing to fill you in.

> >>> And Glenn isn't involved in this thread.

In the usual meaning of the word "thread", Glenn was so involved that he had already
seen Harshman's retraction of his jillery-FTR-congurent claim about how
the coronavirus does its damage, and had moreover posted the only explanation
anyone has come up with to this date.

If you know that, then you halfway know those grounds already.

>>> jillery's post was a reply
>>> to Eric, which was a reply to Oxyaena, which was a reply to the peter,
>>> the willfully stupid mindless noise generator.

>> That last line is pure mindless trolling, equaled only by JTEM in my experience.
>> Even Oxyaena doesn't lie her head off about me like that, only about
>> individual on topic, insightful comments of mine as in, "[snip
>> mindless bullshit"]

> No, what Jillery wrote was perfectly accurate.

More bootlicking of jillery, this time unmistakably trolling.

Perhaps what I wrote about JTEM still being way behind you in trolling
was *good* news to you, eh?

My next reply to this post will pick up where this one left off, not long after I've
seen it appear. And that in turn will be really soon, because it doesn't go through
robo-moderation like talk.origins posts do.

Peter Nyikos

Peter Nyikos <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have some good news and some bad news for you, Oxyaena.
>
> The good news is that, based on the evidence available to me, JTEM has surpassed
> both Harshman [1] and Erik Simpson [2], two of your favorite people, in trollishness.
>
> The bad news [3] is that he still has a long way to go before he surpasses you.
> And he'll have to troll someone else for a while to gain on you, because I'm
> done "feeding the troll" where he is concerned, for the rest of this month.
>
> [1] This is significant, because, as you might recall from an s.b.p. thread
> a few years back, having to do with the sperm of hominids, JTEM succeeded
> in making it look like Harshman was trolling and JTEM was "feeding the troll".
>
> [2] This is also significant, because Erik trolled me by saying it should
> be obvious to me that JTEM is a troll, but in fact the evidence available to
> me was far more extensive in the direction of Erik being a troll than JTEM being
> a troll. Even now, that is true, but JTEM makes up in quality what he lacks in quantity.
>
> [3] I'm assuming, of course, that you would prefer that people not think of
> you as a troll. If I am wrong about that, then of course it would be good news.
> In particular, you exhibited extraordinary ingenuity during the year I boycotted
> you, in a huge number of posts, of trolling me so cleverly that you had some reason
> to believe that I would quite forget myself and reply to you before 2019 was up.
>
Is this your longest preamble? I haven’t bothered to keep a List of word
counts on such things, but it seems longish even for you.

[snip more silly stuff]

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:27:41 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
> On 9/16/2021 12:04 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:

[Erik Simpson trolled:]
> >> Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.
> > Datum: Erik is licking the boots of jillery, and projecting his own confusion onto me.

> Non. The only bootlicking being done here is by yourself.

This trolling is way below JTEM magnitude: it is a mindless Pee Wee Hermanism [1],
whose mindlessness is apparent from the way you are relying on a shameless lie
of yours for the only "evidence" that I did any bootlicking of anyone.

[1] "I know you are but what am I?" is the juvenile comeback that Pee Wee Herman
used copiously in one of his films. The implicit substitution of "Erik and jillery" for
"I" doesn't affect the nature of your mindless idiocy.
> > As is always the case when I post exclusively in the third person, I am speaking
> > to the general readership.

> As if anyone gives a shit about your petty vendettas.

The hypocrisy of this statement is astronomical. I am the person you have been
fanatically obsessed with since your earliest talk.origins/s.b.e. beginnings, when you
called yourself Thrinaxodon, and posted a hundred times under the byline "Nyikos repellent."

You even admitted to Erik Simpson during my long postponed delay in returning to Usenet
at the beginning of this year that you "can't live with him, can't live without him."

You even emailed me -- someone NO other talk.origins participant or s.b.p. participant
who is still around ever did, wondering what had become of me.

To top it all off, when I did a rather impersonal but civil reply, you whined about how you
should be given credit for taking the trouble to find out about me.

>
> [snip groveling]

Another snip-n-deceive: your whining for credit in that email outdid any groveling
I've done anywhere on the internet in the last decade.

> >
> >
> > I gave a hint to Glenn last week about the topic of an upcoming thread,

> Even you must surely recognize that Glenn does not give a single flying
> fuck about anything on-topic wrt sbp.

You being Thrinaxodon/Oxyaena, I expect you to be trolling about this
even after I show that I know you are wrong. Maybe *especially*
after I show you wrong.

Before that, though, I point out that you are assuming that I am
a mind reader, and I think Harshman would love the way you
are prostituting your integrity in this way while (probably knowingly)
working the opposite side of the street that he has worked for the past decade.

Here is where Glenn showed the interest that you pretended that
I knew couldn't exist, and I responded accordingly:

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.bio.paleontology/c/TLUIIrH2Vug/m/N0dscqVwAwAJ
Re: The origin of animals: an ancestral reconstruction of the unicellular-to- multicellular transition

> >
> > "Ancient boronaviruses and modern vaccines"
> >
> > in which the word "Ancient" is the key to why it is on topic
> > to talk about the coronaviruses the way I have been doing.
> > It refers to viruses that produced their effects on vertebrates,
> > and indirectly via evolution on us humans, many millions of years ago.
> >
> > The thread has been delayed because, as I was continuing my research on the topic
> > last weekend, I realized that it is a topic with many facets that I hadn't learned about
> > before, and I have to put a lot more thought into it. Perhaps it will only be delayed
> > a week, perhaps longer.

> Then get cracking. Why are you wasting your time here rather than doing
> your "extensive research?"

Thank you for implicitly admitting that jillery and Erik were trolling:
"wasting your time here" means that they succeeded in getting me to "feed the trolls".

Peter Nyikos

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have some good news and some bad news for you, Oxyaena.
> >
> > The good news is that, based on the evidence available to me, JTEM has surpassed
> > both Harshman [1] and Erik Simpson [2], two of your favorite people, in trollishness.
> >
> > The bad news [3] is that he still has a long way to go before he surpasses you.
> > And he'll have to troll someone else for a while to gain on you, because I'm
> > done "feeding the troll" where he is concerned, for the rest of this month.
> >
> > [1] This is significant, because, as you might recall from an s.b.p. thread
> > a few years back, having to do with the sperm of hominids, JTEM succeeded
> > in making it look like Harshman was trolling and JTEM was "feeding the troll".
> >
> > [2] This is also significant, because Erik trolled me by saying it should
> > be obvious to me that JTEM is a troll, but in fact the evidence available to
> > me was far more extensive in the direction of Erik being a troll than JTEM being
> > a troll. Even now, that is true, but JTEM makes up in quality what he lacks in quantity.
> >
> > [3] I'm assuming, of course, that you would prefer that people not think of
> > you as a troll. If I am wrong about that, then of course it would be good news.
> > In particular, you exhibited extraordinary ingenuity during the year I boycotted
> > you, in a huge number of posts, of trolling me so cleverly that you had some reason
> > to believe that I would quite forget myself and reply to you before 2019 was up.
> >
> Is this your longest preamble? I haven’t bothered to keep a List of word
> counts on such things, but it seems longish even for you.

You always do a good job of exhibiting the first level of existence as described by Kierkegaard,
the esthetic, while showing no trace of the second level, the ethical.
In _Irrational Man_, in his chapter on Kierkegaard, William Barrett wrote:

"Kierkegaard explores the aesthetic attitude with great subtlety and sympathy; but he says, in the end it must collapse into despair. Ancient Epicureanism shows this, for it is haunted by the images of despair that it has sought to banish from its thinking. The most beautiful Epicurean poems of the Greeks and Romans are always haunted by sadness: there is a grinning skull behind the flowers."

> [snip more silly stuff]

That's the esthetic level, all the way. You know, I'm sure, that the silly stuff was by Oxyaena,
but your loyalties are with her, all the way. To you I am almost as distasteful as Glenn --correct?
The difference is that you cannot dismiss me as easily as you can Glenn. You'd sound like
the troll Oxyaena has been on this thread, and that kind of behavior doesn't sit as well with you
as it does with her.

Have a nice weekend. The following should make it pleasant for you: thanks in part to you,
I haven't had the time today to give Harshman the comeuppance that he has earned for himself.
And, as you know, I almost never post on weekends to either talk.origins or s.b.e.

TGIF.

Peter Nyikos

On 9/17/21 7:32 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> [1] This is significant, because, as you might recall from an s.b.p. thread
> a few years back, having to do with the sperm of hominids, JTEM succeeded
> in making it look like Harshman was trolling and JTEM was "feeding the troll".

You have piqued my curiosity. What are you talking about here?

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 5:22:43 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
> wrote:
> >Did you know this?
> >
> >"There are many other innate immune cells, such as dendritic cells, gamma–delta T cells, and natural killer (NK) cells"
> >
> >https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2026131
> Did you know this?
> ****************************
> It has also been argued that this possible Megalosaurus bone was given
> the very first species name ever applied to an extinct dinosaur.
> Plot's engraving of the Cornwell bone was again used in a book by
> Richard Brookes in 1763. Brookes, in a caption, called it "Scrotum
> humanum," apparently comparing its appearance to a pair of "human
> testicles".
> ****************************
>
> While both your cite and mine are completely irrelevant to anything
> anybody wrote in this topic, mine is unique by being topical to the
> froup.

You're a unique fruitcase, to that I agree.

Peter Nyikos <peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:39:18 PM UTC-4, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>> Peter Nyikos <peter2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have some good news and some bad news for you, Oxyaena.
>>>
>>> The good news is that, based on the evidence available to me, JTEM has surpassed
>>> both Harshman [1] and Erik Simpson [2], two of your favorite people, in trollishness.
>>>
>>> The bad news [3] is that he still has a long way to go before he surpasses you.
>>> And he'll have to troll someone else for a while to gain on you, because I'm
>>> done "feeding the troll" where he is concerned, for the rest of this month.
>>>
>>> [1] This is significant, because, as you might recall from an s.b.p. thread
>>> a few years back, having to do with the sperm of hominids, JTEM succeeded
>>> in making it look like Harshman was trolling and JTEM was "feeding the troll".
>>>
>>> [2] This is also significant, because Erik trolled me by saying it should
>>> be obvious to me that JTEM is a troll, but in fact the evidence available to
>>> me was far more extensive in the direction of Erik being a troll than JTEM being
>>> a troll. Even now, that is true, but JTEM makes up in quality what he lacks in quantity.
>>>
>>> [3] I'm assuming, of course, that you would prefer that people not think of
>>> you as a troll. If I am wrong about that, then of course it would be good news.
>>> In particular, you exhibited extraordinary ingenuity during the year I boycotted
>>> you, in a huge number of posts, of trolling me so cleverly that you had some reason
>>> to believe that I would quite forget myself and reply to you before 2019 was up.
>>>
>> Is this your longest preamble? I haven’t bothered to keep a List of word
>> counts on such things, but it seems longish even for you.
>
> You always do a good job of exhibiting the first level of existence as
> described by Kierkegaard,
> the esthetic, while showing no trace of the second level, the ethical.
> In _Irrational Man_, in his chapter on Kierkegaard, William Barrett wrote:
>
> "Kierkegaard explores the aesthetic attitude with great subtlety and
> sympathy; but he says, in the end it must collapse into despair. Ancient
> Epicureanism shows this, for it is haunted by the images of despair that
> it has sought to banish from its thinking. The most beautiful Epicurean
> poems of the Greeks and Romans are always haunted by sadness: there is a
> grinning skull behind the flowers."
>
>> [snip more silly stuff]
>
> That's the esthetic level, all the way. You know, I'm sure, that the
> silly stuff was by Oxyaena,
> but your loyalties are with her, all the way. To you I am almost as
> distasteful as Glenn --correct?
> The difference is that you cannot dismiss me as easily as you can Glenn. You'd sound like
> the troll Oxyaena has been on this thread, and that kind of behavior
> doesn't sit as well with you
> as it does with her.
>
> Have a nice weekend. The following should make it pleasant for you: thanks in part to you,
> I haven't had the time today to give Harshman the comeuppance that he has
> earned for himself.
> And, as you know, I almost never post on weekends to either talk.origins or s.b.e.
>
> TGIF.
>
Damn Harshman. I thought I hid the strawberries well. He must have found my
stash. I was going to put them in a blender with ice cream. Did you miss
them?

On 9/17/2021 10:32 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> I have some good news and some bad news for you, Oxyaena.

Oh boy, I can't wait!

>
> The good news is that, based on the evidence available to me, JTEM has surpassed
> both Harshman [1] and Erik Simpson [2], two of your favorite people, in trollishness.

Your glasses must be broken. Why should I care about JTEM?

>
> The bad news [3] is that he still has a long way to go before he surpasses you.
> And he'll have to troll someone else for a while to gain on you, because I'm
> done "feeding the troll" where he is concerned, for the rest of this month.

Cool.

[snip idiocy]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:06:38 -0700 (PDT), Peter Nyikos
<peter2nyikos@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:27:41 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
>> On 9/16/2021 12:04 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>
>[Erik Simpson trolled:]
>> >> Peter seems to be talking to Mario, or maybe Glenn. He's been a little confused lately.
>
>> > Datum: Erik is licking the boots of jillery, and projecting his own confusion onto me.
>
>> Non. The only bootlicking being done here is by yourself.
>
>This trolling is way below JTEM magnitude: it is a mindless Pee Wee Hermanism [1],
>whose mindlessness is apparent from the way you are relying on a shameless lie
> of yours for the only "evidence" that I did any bootlicking of anyone.
>
>[1] "I know you are but what am I?" is the juvenile comeback that Pee Wee Herman
>used copiously in one of his films. The implicit substitution of "Erik and jillery" for
>"I" doesn't affect the nature of your mindless idiocy.

To the contrary, it is pseudoskeptics' SOP to mindlessly accuse others
of doing what they do so they can idiotically retort "PeeWeeHermanism"
when those others point out their lie.

>> > As is always the case when I post exclusively in the third person, I am speaking
>> > to the general readership.
>
>> As if anyone gives a shit about your petty vendettas.

<the peter's petty vendettas left uncommented for documentation
purposes>

>The hypocrisy of this statement is astronomical. I am the person you have been
>fanatically obsessed with since your earliest talk.origins/s.b.e. beginnings, when you
>called yourself Thrinaxodon, and posted a hundred times under the byline "Nyikos repellent."
>
>You even admitted to Erik Simpson during my long postponed delay in returning to Usenet
>at the beginning of this year that you "can't live with him, can't live without him."
>
>You even emailed me -- someone NO other talk.origins participant or s.b.p. participant
>who is still around ever did, wondering what had become of me.
>
>To top it all off, when I did a rather impersonal but civil reply, you whined about how you
>should be given credit for taking the trouble to find out about me.
>
>>
>> [snip groveling]
>
>Another snip-n-deceive: your whining for credit in that email outdid any groveling
>I've done anywhere on the internet in the last decade.
>
>
>> >
>> >
>> > I gave a hint to Glenn last week about the topic of an upcoming thread,
>
>> Even you must surely recognize that Glenn does not give a single flying
>> fuck about anything on-topic wrt sbp.
>
>You being Thrinaxodon/Oxyaena, I expect you to be trolling about this
>even after I show that I know you are wrong. Maybe *especially*
>after I show you wrong.
>
>Before that, though, I point out that you are assuming that I am
>a mind reader, and I think Harshman would love the way you
>are prostituting your integrity in this way while (probably knowingly)
>working the opposite side of the street that he has worked for the past decade.
>
>
>Here is where Glenn showed the interest that you pretended that
>I knew couldn't exist, and I responded accordingly:
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/sci.bio.paleontology/c/TLUIIrH2Vug/m/N0dscqVwAwAJ
>Re: The origin of animals: an ancestral reconstruction of the unicellular-to- multicellular transition
>
>
>> >
>> > "Ancient boronaviruses and modern vaccines"
>> >
>> > in which the word "Ancient" is the key to why it is on topic
>> > to talk about the coronaviruses the way I have been doing.
>> > It refers to viruses that produced their effects on vertebrates,
>> > and indirectly via evolution on us humans, many millions of years ago.
>> >
>> > The thread has been delayed because, as I was continuing my research on the topic
>> > last weekend, I realized that it is a topic with many facets that I hadn't learned about
>> > before, and I have to put a lot more thought into it. Perhaps it will only be delayed
>> > a week, perhaps longer.
>
>> Then get cracking. Why are you wasting your time here rather than doing
>> your "extensive research?"
>
>Thank you for implicitly admitting that jillery and Erik were trolling:
>"wasting your time here" means that they succeeded in getting me to "feed the trolls".

Even if your conclusion was correct, which it's not, it's a nonsense
non-sequitur. Nobody put a gun to head to reply, not even with your
mindless noise. Someday you might grow up and take responsibility for
your own posts, perhaps before the Second Coming of Christ.

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 21:13:52 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennSheldon@msn.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 5:22:43 PM UTC-7, 69jp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 10:35:43 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <GlennS...@msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Did you know this?
>> >
>> >"There are many other innate immune cells, such as dendritic cells, gamma–delta T cells, and natural killer (NK) cells"
>> >
>> >https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra2026131
>> Did you know this?
>> ****************************
>> It has also been argued that this possible Megalosaurus bone was given
>> the very first species name ever applied to an extinct dinosaur.
>> Plot's engraving of the Cornwell bone was again used in a book by
>> Richard Brookes in 1763. Brookes, in a caption, called it "Scrotum
>> humanum," apparently comparing its appearance to a pair of "human
>> testicles".
>> ****************************
>>
>> While both your cite and mine are completely irrelevant to anything
>> anybody wrote in this topic, mine is unique by being topical to the
>> froup.
Oopsie, I forgot a link:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalosaurus#%22Scrotum_humanum%22>

>You're a unique fruitcase, to that I agree.

That's the kind of mindless noise to which your enablers like
Hemidactylus claim a false equivalence to my posts.

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 6:41:06 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
> On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> >> On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 11:59:22 AM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>> On 9/9/21 7:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Continued in next reply to this post. I will hold off with it until evening,
> >>>>> to see whether Harshman or Hemidactylus or Oxyaena give a damn about either Jews
> >>>>> or vaccinations enough to reply to something by either of us on either subject.
> >>>
> >>>> I have made the choice not to engage further with a rabid anti-semite.
> >>>> And, apparently, a rabid anti-various other unstated groups, who
> >>>> proposes extermination as a general solution. You have to draw the line
> >>>> somewhere.
> >>>
> >>> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
> >>> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
> >>>
> >>> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
> >>> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
> >>>
> >>> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
> >>> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
> >
> >> What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
> >> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
> >
> > Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
> > the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
> > to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
> > major damage to the cells.
> Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.
Generally?
>Instead it
> coopts the lysosome to exit. And it appears that nobody actually knows
> for sure how the virus damages the body.

If that is true, then nobody actually knows whether the virus damages the body.

>Still, it isn't the spike
> protein that does it.

Really?

"Intracellular trafficking and localization studies of spike protein from SARS and OC43 showed that SARS spike protein is localized in the ER or ERGIC compartment and OC43 spike protein is predominantly localized in the lysosome."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7091306/

I'll let you decide whether you are full of shit or not.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7743070/

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.08.417022v1.full

On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:41:06 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> >> On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:

> >>> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
> >>> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
> >>>
> >>> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
> >>> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
> >>>
> >>> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
> >>> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
> >
> >> What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
> >> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
> >
> > Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
> > the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
> > to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
> > major damage to the cells.

> Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.

Does it *ever* lyse cells?

> Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.

How about telling us where you found out about these things?
I've seen something very different that is connected with lysosomes:

"The SARS-CoV-2 protein ORF3a inhibits fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z

> And it appears that nobody actually knows
> for sure how the virus damages the body.

The article I've referenced above gives a clue. It is very technical,
as you can see from the main part of the abstract:

"Autophagy is an intracellular lysosomal degradation pathway for the clearance of various cargoes, including viruses. Here, we systematically screened 28 viral proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and identified that ORF3a strongly inhibited autophagic flux by blocking the fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes. ORF3a colocalized with lysosomes and interacted with VPS39, a component of the homotypic fusion and protein sorting (HOPS) complex. The ORF3a–VPS39 interaction prohibited the binding of HOPS with RAB7, which prevented the assembly of fusion machinery, leading to the accumulation of unfused autophagosomes. These results indicated the potential mechanism by which SARS-CoV-2 escapes degradation; that is, the virus interferes with autophagosome–lysosome fusion. Furthermore, our findings will facilitate strategies targeting autophagy for conferring potential protection against the spread of SARS-CoV-2."

The introduction seems to give a connection to something that was written
almost a year and a half ago, by the following article, that indicated that it
somehow stimulates the immune system to go haywire:

https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
"As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."

This is in line with something Wikipedia says about autophagy:

"In disease, autophagy has been seen as an adaptive response to stress, promoting survival of the cell; but in other cases, it appears to promote cell death and morbidity."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy

Back to the nature.com article, specifically the Introduction, where we read more about
this haywire immune system response:

"Severe cases of COVID-19 are associated with hyperinflammation, also known as cytokine storm syndrome6,7,8. Uncontrolled infection and replication of SARS-CoV-2 cause this rampant inflammatory response that results in acute respiratory distress syndrome and end-organ injury9,10,11,12. There is an urgent need to understand how SARS-CoV-2 regulates host cellular responses and hijacks host cells to escape degradation/clearance."

> Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.

It does look that way: it was among the 28 viral proteins they screened, but it only gets
mentioned once, by way of a complete listing.

Peter Nyikos
Professor, Dept. of Mathematics
Univ. of South Carolina -- standard disclaimer--
http://people.math.sc.edu/nyikos

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 7:37:36 AM UTC-7, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:41:06 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> > On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
> > >> On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>
> > >>> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
> > >>> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
> > >>>
> > >>> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
> > >>> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
> > >>>
> > >>> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
> > >>> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
> > >
> > >> What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
> > >> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
> > >
> > > Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
> > > the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
> > > to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
> > > major damage to the cells.
>
> > Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.
> Does it *ever* lyse cells?
> > Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.
> How about telling us where you found out about these things?
> I've seen something very different that is connected with lysosomes:
>
> "The SARS-CoV-2 protein ORF3a inhibits fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes"
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z
> > And it appears that nobody actually knows
> > for sure how the virus damages the body.
> The article I've referenced above gives a clue. It is very technical,
> as you can see from the main part of the abstract:
>
> "Autophagy is an intracellular lysosomal degradation pathway for the clearance of various cargoes, including viruses. Here, we systematically screened 28 viral proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and identified that ORF3a strongly inhibited autophagic flux by blocking the fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes. ORF3a colocalized with lysosomes and interacted with VPS39, a component of the homotypic fusion and protein sorting (HOPS) complex. The ORF3a–VPS39 interaction prohibited the binding of HOPS with RAB7, which prevented the assembly of fusion machinery, leading to the accumulation of unfused autophagosomes. These results indicated the potential mechanism by which SARS-CoV-2 escapes degradation; that is, the virus interferes with autophagosome–lysosome fusion. Furthermore, our findings will facilitate strategies targeting autophagy for conferring potential protection against the spread of SARS-CoV-2."
>
> The introduction seems to give a connection to something that was written
> almost a year and a half ago, by the following article, that indicated that it
> somehow stimulates the immune system to go haywire:
>
> https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
> "As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."
>
> This is in line with something Wikipedia says about autophagy:
>
> "In disease, autophagy has been seen as an adaptive response to stress, promoting survival of the cell; but in other cases, it appears to promote cell death and morbidity."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy
>
> Back to the nature.com article, specifically the Introduction, where we read more about
> this haywire immune system response:
>
> "Severe cases of COVID-19 are associated with hyperinflammation, also known as cytokine storm syndrome6,7,8. Uncontrolled infection and replication of SARS-CoV-2 cause this rampant inflammatory response that results in acute respiratory distress syndrome and end-organ injury9,10,11,12. There is an urgent need to understand how SARS-CoV-2 regulates host cellular responses and hijacks host cells to escape degradation/clearance."
> > Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.
> It does look that way: it was among the 28 viral proteins they screened, but it only gets
> mentioned once, by way of a complete listing.
>
>
Here's an easy one to read:

"Although the mechanism of viral egress is not fully known, there is evidence indicating that proteins present on the viral envelope such as the spike, membrane, and envelope proteins play essential roles in the egress process."

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210421/SARS-CoV-1-utilizes-ORF3a-protein-to-trigger-viral-release.aspx

That may, if you are interested, lead you to papers more technical in detail.

On 9/21/21 7:37 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:41:06 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 9/9/21 5:37 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:30:32 PM UTC-4, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 9/9/21 12:16 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
>
>>>>> How about posting on the subject of the coronavirus, or vaccination? Here is something in the
>>>>> article that Hemidactylus linked which I find puzzling:
>>>>>
>>>>> "These spikes, by themselves, are not dangerous. They can't make anyone sick."
>>>>> https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210719/covid-19-vaccines-not-gene-therapy
>>>>>
>>>>> What is it, then, about the virus that makes some people deathly sick? Some other part of the
>>>>> virus that our antibodies are unable to target?
>>>
>>>> What makes you sick, presumably, is all the virus replicating and lysing
>>>> your cells to get out. Certainly not the spike protein.
>>>
>>> Thanks. Strangely enough, I never read about that lysing feature. Somehow I imagined
>>> the viruses exiting the way the spike proteins molecules produced by mRNA vaccines exit one at a time,
>>> to where they can be detected by the immune system, and without their exits causing
>>> major damage to the cells.
>
>> Turns out that SARS-Cov-2 doesn't generally lyse cells.
>
> Does it *ever* lyse cells?

I don't know. I didn't encounter anyone saying that it did.

>> Instead it coopts the lysosome to exit.
>
> How about telling us where you found out about these things?

First site I looked at, but I don't recall. But it's true, right?

> I've seen something very different that is connected with lysosomes:
>
> "The SARS-CoV-2 protein ORF3a inhibits fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes"
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-021-00268-z
>
>
>> And it appears that nobody actually knows
>> for sure how the virus damages the body.
>
> The article I've referenced above gives a clue. It is very technical,
> as you can see from the main part of the abstract:
>
> "Autophagy is an intracellular lysosomal degradation pathway for the clearance of various cargoes, including viruses. Here, we systematically screened 28 viral proteins of SARS-CoV-2 and identified that ORF3a strongly inhibited autophagic flux by blocking the fusion of autophagosomes with lysosomes. ORF3a colocalized with lysosomes and interacted with VPS39, a component of the homotypic fusion and protein sorting (HOPS) complex. The ORF3a–VPS39 interaction prohibited the binding of HOPS with RAB7, which prevented the assembly of fusion machinery, leading to the accumulation of unfused autophagosomes. These results indicated the potential mechanism by which SARS-CoV-2 escapes degradation; that is, the virus interferes with autophagosome–lysosome fusion. Furthermore, our findings will facilitate strategies targeting autophagy for conferring potential protection against the spread of SARS-CoV-2."

I believe that what they're saying is that it prevents the lysosome from
destroying the virus, thus allowing it a safe exit from the cell. This
seems not to be the way it causes damage, as far as I can tell.

> The introduction seems to give a connection to something that was written
> almost a year and a half ago, by the following article, that indicated that it
> somehow stimulates the immune system to go haywire:
>
> https://theconversation.com/what-the-coronavirus-does-to-your-body-that-makes-it-so-deadly-133856
> "As with SARS, most of the damage in COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, is caused by the immune system carrying out a scorched earth defense to stop the virus from spreading. Millions of cells from the immune system invade the infected lung tissue and cause massive amounts of damage in the process of cleaning out the virus and any infected cells."

Yes, that's a common theory. It's usually presented with caution, though
less so with lung cells than with other sorts of damage.

> This is in line with something Wikipedia says about autophagy:
>
> "In disease, autophagy has been seen as an adaptive response to stress, promoting survival of the cell; but in other cases, it appears to promote cell death and morbidity."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy
>
> Back to the nature.com article, specifically the Introduction, where we read more about
> this haywire immune system response:
>
> "Severe cases of COVID-19 are associated with hyperinflammation, also known as cytokine storm syndrome6,7,8. Uncontrolled infection and replication of SARS-CoV-2 cause this rampant inflammatory response that results in acute respiratory distress syndrome and end-organ injury9,10,11,12. There is an urgent need to understand how SARS-CoV-2 regulates host cellular responses and hijacks host cells to escape degradation/clearance."
>
>
>> Still, it isn't the spike protein that does it.
>
> It does look that way: it was among the 28 viral proteins they screened, but it only gets
> mentioned once, by way of a complete listing.

Anyway, all that does is indicate the presence of assembled viruses.

On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 11:31:53 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
> On 9/9/2021 7:31 PM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 4:41:18 PM UTC-4, Oxyaena wrote:
> >> On 9/9/2021 10:50 AM, Peter Nyikos wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, September 8, 2021 at 10:48:50 PM UTC-4, Mario Petrinovic wrote:

> >>>> Based on the criteria of the majority. Even if I am not part of that
> >>>> majority, and even if this "hygiene" applies on me.
> >>>> Regarding Jews, aren't they the most notorious example? I mean,
> >>>> everybody knows everything about Jews.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe in your part of Croatia [although I doubt it] but certainly
> >>> not in the USA. The endless harping on the Holocaust -- not that I
> >>> mind most of it, "Schindler's List" was jarring even to me -- drowns out
> >>> anything negative people here say in the media about Jews.
> >
> > Lest there be any misunderstanding: I'm glad I saw "Schindler's List,"
> > because it brought home to me the utter inhumanity of the Nazi extermination
> > campaign like nothing I saw before -- including the ghastly scenes of
> > actual footage in "Judgment at Nuremberg."
> >
> >> I have to agree that the Holocaust receives a bit too much attention
> >> compared to other genocides and atrocities, like the Native American
> >> Holocaust, or the Naqba when the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine
> >> of almost all of its indigenous people.

Note the words, "ethnic cleansing." I looked up the word "Nakba," [generally accepted spelling],
which was new to me, and it turns out that it was only in 1998 that Yasser Arafat actually
made it a formally observed date, May 15. I saw no sign of any atrocities beyond displacement:

> > Interesting how you compare the cold blooded murder of millions of Jews with
> > the displacement of peoples.

> Interesting how you whitewash the cold-blooded 75+ year long oppression
> of the Palestinian people

You are flagrantly, hatefully, moving the goalposts. The Nakba happened about as
many years ago, and you're pretending I was talking about something else altogether.

> as "mere ethnic displacement." You've always
> been a piece of shit, Peter, but this is a new low even for you.

On the contrary, you have treated me as though I were a piece of shit from the get-go,
as "Thinaxodon" posting under the byline "Nyikos repellent" for over 100 posts,
for the better part of a decade, and you will seize upon any excuse,
even fraudulent ones [as here!] to continue treating me that way.

I half expect snip everything that I've written so far, with your usual libels,
"[snip idiocy]" or "[snip mindless bullshit]". That's another way you've treated
me like dirt, at least a hundred times by now in s.b.p. alone.
without noticeable cause, and you are doing it here again.

> > Can you point me to a webpage where
> > it is explained how the partition of Palestine and the resulting displacements
> > are different in their nature from the partition that created India and Pakistan,
> > resulting in the displacement of millions of Hindus living in what became Pakistan
> > and millions of Muslims living in what became India?

> Does that make it any better?

Major backpedal from hate-crazed use of "piece of shit" noted. In particular,
you cannot cite anything but displacement that is associated with ethnic cleansing:

"it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[2][3][4] It constitutes a crime against humanity and may also fall under the Genocide Convention, even as ethnic cleansing has no legal definition under international criminal law.[2][5][6]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

> Palestinians are to this day oppressed by
> the Apartheid regime in Israel,

There is nothing like the original Apartheid in Israel. That is one thing I learned from reading up on
the Nakba in official Jewish webpages: there are even Muslims in the Knesset,
and with the change of government, one of the last things suggestive of Apartheid
was removed: Palestinians who are "guest workers" in Israel can now be joined there
by relatives who were formerly barred from entering Israel.

> or have you shoved your head so far up your own ass

No, but you have, mindlessly regurgitating the kind of anti-Israel propaganda
that "the Squad of Four" [AOC and three other Congresswomen] feed Useful Idiots like yourself.

>that Apartheid in any form is a "good thing" that we should
> strive for? Both the partitions of the Indian subcontinent and Palestine
> are the results of British imperialism, so they share common ground in
> that front.

I wouldn't go down the "British imperialism" route on this issue if I were you.
The British pretty evenly split Palestine between the Jews and the Muslims,
and it was only the need for more defensible borders that caused Israel to
annex a lot of Palestine after four Muslim countries unilaterally attacked Israel
with the intent of abolishing Israel in favor of Islamic rule of a unified Palestine.

The rest (i.e., the West Bank) was annexed by Transjordan, which has been
called simply "Jordan" ever since. I don't see you complaining about any
"oppressian of the Palestinian people" there. What sorts of oppression
do the Israelis wreak on the West Bank Palestinians that the Jordanians never did?

> > That said, I am appalled by the genocides and atrocities by White Anglos against
> > Native Americans. I cannot understand why there isn't a major hue
> > and cry against Andrew Jackson, responsible for the deaths of thousands of
> > Cherokee, including untold numbers of women and children, by
> > starvation and exposure to cold during the Trail of Tears, being
> > commemorated by his portrait on the $20 bill.

> I have to agree with you there.

It's good that we can agree on that much. However, the treatment of Native Americans
went far beyond displacing them to reservations, even under criminally negligent
conditions as these.

It also included deliberate genocide, such as giving them blankets teeming with
smallpox viruses. With no prior exposure to smallpox, the Native Americans
succumbed in far greater percentages than we have been succumbing to the Delta variant.

Remainder deleted, to be replied to later. I hope the delay won't be quite as long
as the 11 days was for this first reply.

Peter Nyikos