The weather has been cold, somewhat windy and just generally nasty which makes it a real problem getting enough enthusiasm to get out.

But today is Thursday and all of the Thurs are going out on their bikes so I might as well. But short rides have become the name of the game until after spring has sprung.

25 miles always seems so short, even when it has 2,000 feet of climbing on it and I am not going to climb when there might be icy spots. One near miss was one more than I needed.

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 4:52:48 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> The weather has been cold, somewhat windy and just generally nasty which makes it a real problem getting enough enthusiasm to get out.
>
> But today is Thursday and all of the Thurs are going out on their bikes so I might as well. But short rides have become the name of the game until after spring has sprung.
>
> 25 miles always seems so short, even when it has 2,000 feet of climbing on it and I am not going to climb when there might be icy spots. One near miss was one more than I needed.

Lucky bastard, I have to work. I'm going home in half an hour but it is dark already.

Lou

On 1/20/2022 9:52 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> The weather has been cold, somewhat windy and just generally nasty which makes it a real problem getting enough enthusiasm to get out.
>
> But today is Thursday and all of the Thurs are going out on their bikes so I might as well. But short rides have become the name of the game until after spring has sprung.
>
> 25 miles always seems so short, even when it has 2,000 feet of climbing on it and I am not going to climb when there might be icy spots. One near miss was one more than I needed.
>

Zero F at dawn here today. It's rideable but not 25 miles worth.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 10:02:25 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/20/2022 9:52 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > The weather has been cold, somewhat windy and just generally nasty which makes it a real problem getting enough enthusiasm to get out.
> >
> > But today is Thursday and all of the Thurs are going out on their bikes so I might as well. But short rides have become the name of the game until after spring has sprung.
> >
> > 25 miles always seems so short, even when it has 2,000 feet of climbing on it and I am not going to climb when there might be icy spots. One near miss was one more than I needed.
> >
> Zero F at dawn here today. It's rideable but not 25 miles worth.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
It was5 degrees to when I got up so I race walked 5 miles on the treadmill and then road 29 on the indoor trainer, HR averaged 117 and a pool off sweat as usual on the floor. Well maybe after teaching this evening I will get some of the liquid back in a couple of beers will do. I ride year around but the next spell of 5-10 days is not looking good.
Deacon Mark

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 9:08:30 AM UTC-8, deaco...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 10:02:25 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 1/20/2022 9:52 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > The weather has been cold, somewhat windy and just generally nasty which makes it a real problem getting enough enthusiasm to get out.
> > >
> > > But today is Thursday and all of the Thurs are going out on their bikes so I might as well. But short rides have become the name of the game until after spring has sprung.
> > >
> > > 25 miles always seems so short, even when it has 2,000 feet of climbing on it and I am not going to climb when there might be icy spots. One near miss was one more than I needed.
> > >
> > Zero F at dawn here today. It's rideable but not 25 miles worth.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> It was5 degrees to when I got up so I race walked 5 miles on the treadmill and then road 29 on the indoor trainer, HR averaged 117 and a pool off sweat as usual on the floor. Well maybe after teaching this evening I will get some of the liquid back in a couple of beers will do. I ride year around but the next spell of 5-10 days is not looking good.
> Deacon Mark

I am sorry to make you guys jealous (not), but it is going to be about 61 degrees today in the Sierra foothills, and I am going to go for an 11-mile ride that has a fair amount of climbing. I'm really out of shape from not riding during the rains, so I think this will tire me out:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LgckHRRZD7gcP9w3eHbn1WZ2ZyJ-gRbb/view?usp=sharing

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:10:44 PM UTC+1, William Crowell wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 9:08:30 AM UTC-8, deaco...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 10:02:25 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 1/20/2022 9:52 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > The weather has been cold, somewhat windy and just generally nasty which makes it a real problem getting enough enthusiasm to get out.
> > > >
> > > > But today is Thursday and all of the Thurs are going out on their bikes so I might as well. But short rides have become the name of the game until after spring has sprung.
> > > >
> > > > 25 miles always seems so short, even when it has 2,000 feet of climbing on it and I am not going to climb when there might be icy spots. One near miss was one more than I needed.
> > > >
> > > Zero F at dawn here today. It's rideable but not 25 miles worth.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > It was5 degrees to when I got up so I race walked 5 miles on the treadmill and then road 29 on the indoor trainer, HR averaged 117 and a pool off sweat as usual on the floor. Well maybe after teaching this evening I will get some of the liquid back in a couple of beers will do. I ride year around but the next spell of 5-10 days is not looking good.
> > Deacon Mark
> I am sorry to make you guys jealous (not), but it is going to be about 61 degrees today in the Sierra foothills, and I am going to go for an 11-mile ride that has a fair amount of climbing. I'm really out of shape from not riding during the rains, so I think this will tire me out:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LgckHRRZD7gcP9w3eHbn1WZ2ZyJ-gRbb/view?usp=sharing

11 mile? No I’m not jealous. Did a nice 75 km ride yesterday in 2C, windchill -2C and in was dry, even the streets.

Lou

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 10:10:44 AM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 9:08:30 AM UTC-8, deaco...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 10:02:25 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 1/20/2022 9:52 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > The weather has been cold, somewhat windy and just generally nasty which makes it a real problem getting enough enthusiasm to get out.
> > > >
> > > > But today is Thursday and all of the Thurs are going out on their bikes so I might as well. But short rides have become the name of the game until after spring has sprung.
> > > >
> > > > 25 miles always seems so short, even when it has 2,000 feet of climbing on it and I am not going to climb when there might be icy spots. One near miss was one more than I needed.
> > > >
> > > Zero F at dawn here today. It's rideable but not 25 miles worth.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Muzi
> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > It was5 degrees to when I got up so I race walked 5 miles on the treadmill and then road 29 on the indoor trainer, HR averaged 117 and a pool off sweat as usual on the floor. Well maybe after teaching this evening I will get some of the liquid back in a couple of beers will do. I ride year around but the next spell of 5-10 days is not looking good.
> > Deacon Mark
> I am sorry to make you guys jealous (not), but it is going to be about 61 degrees today in the Sierra foothills, and I am going to go for an 11-mile ride that has a fair amount of climbing. I'm really out of shape from not riding during the rains, so I think this will tire me out:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LgckHRRZD7gcP9w3eHbn1WZ2ZyJ-gRbb/view?usp=sharing

Some climbing? I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.

Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where are they getting that many people with that much time off? Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot less than usual.

This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more. One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it show speed and RPM and distance?

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 7:10:44 PM UTC+1, William Crowell wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 9:08:30 AM UTC-8, deaco...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 10:02:25 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > On 1/20/2022 9:52 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > The weather has been cold, somewhat windy and just generally nasty which makes it a real problem getting enough enthusiasm to get out.
> > > > >
> > > > > But today is Thursday and all of the Thurs are going out on their bikes so I might as well. But short rides have become the name of the game until after spring has sprung.
> > > > >
> > > > > 25 miles always seems so short, even when it has 2,000 feet of climbing on it and I am not going to climb when there might be icy spots. One near miss was one more than I needed.
> > > > >
> > > > Zero F at dawn here today. It's rideable but not 25 miles worth.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew Muzi
> > > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > It was5 degrees to when I got up so I race walked 5 miles on the treadmill and then road 29 on the indoor trainer, HR averaged 117 and a pool off sweat as usual on the floor. Well maybe after teaching this evening I will get some of the liquid back in a couple of beers will do. I ride year around but the next spell of 5-10 days is not looking good.
> > > Deacon Mark
> > I am sorry to make you guys jealous (not), but it is going to be about 61 degrees today in the Sierra foothills, and I am going to go for an 11-mile ride that has a fair amount of climbing. I'm really out of shape from not riding during the rains, so I think this will tire me out:
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LgckHRRZD7gcP9w3eHbn1WZ2ZyJ-gRbb/view?usp=sharing
> 11 mile? No I’m not jealous. Did a nice 75 km ride yesterday in 2C, windchill -2C and in was dry, even the streets.

I don't know what the hell the chill factor was today. I was riding hard enough that I was reasonably warm though I would have been better with a wind jacket over the top of the normal jacket. As I said my usual speed was that 25 miles was accomplished at 11.5 mph.

On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
>
> Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where are they getting that many people with that much time off? Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot less than usual.
>
> This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more. One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it show speed and RPM and distance?

You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent magnets that go bad!

My sympathies.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:38:29 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
> >
> > Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where are they getting that many people with that much time off? Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot less than usual.
> >
> > This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more. One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it show speed and RPM and distance?
> You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent magnets that go bad!
>
> My sympathies.
>
In addition to not being able to figure out how to set up something as simple as a bike computer.
Do you think it might have occurred to him to try a different magnet to prove out the sensor?

On 1/20/2022 2:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it
>> being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of
>> 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell
>> the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the
>> Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the
>> bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park
>> ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the
>> road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the
>> cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on
>> the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction
>> being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
>>
>> Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the
>> trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it
>> to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one
>> side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was
>> so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on
>> it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a
>> main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay
>> Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of
>> cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been
>> 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where
>> are they getting that many people with that much time off?
>> Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such
>> as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no
>> matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot
>> less than usual.
>>
>> This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more.
>> One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about
>> 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using
>> all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the
>> trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate
>> it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the
>> speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the
>> speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two
>> windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it
>> show speed and RPM and distance?
>
> You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent
> magnets that go bad!
>
> My sympathies.
>
>

Not advising anyone, but I have found a reasonable
accommodation to electronic devices on me or my bicycle:

http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/newfon.jpg

YMMV.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 12:38:29 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
> >
> > Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where are they getting that many people with that much time off? Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot less than usual.
> >
> > This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more. One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it show speed and RPM and distance?
> You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent magnets that go bad!
Well, if I rode a 1985 touring bike with bar end friction shifters and a mechanical speedometer, I probably wouldn't have ant problems either. Why don't you give us a dissertation on modern magnets, the materials they are made from and their relative strength and longevity? Then you can explain why modern PM starter motors have such a high failure rate.

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:08:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/20/2022 2:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it
> >> being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of
> >> 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell
> >> the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the
> >> Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the
> >> bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park
> >> ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the
> >> road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the
> >> cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on
> >> the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction
> >> being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
> >>
> >> Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the
> >> trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it
> >> to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one
> >> side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was
> >> so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on
> >> it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a
> >> main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay
> >> Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of
> >> cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been
> >> 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where
> >> are they getting that many people with that much time off?
> >> Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such
> >> as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no
> >> matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot
> >> less than usual.
> >>
> >> This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more.
> >> One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about
> >> 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using
> >> all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the
> >> trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate
> >> it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the
> >> speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the
> >> speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two
> >> windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it
> >> show speed and RPM and distance?
> >
> > You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent
> > magnets that go bad!
> >
> > My sympathies.
> >
> >
> Not advising anyone, but I have found a reasonable
> accommodation to electronic devices on me or my bicycle:
>
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/newfon.jpg

The newer Garmin's that you push on the end of the crank arm and which allows the magnet to pass within small fractions of an inch from the detector. The only one I have has a magnet that zip ties onto the end of the cranks arm and because the arm has a recess to lighten it up, it doesn't pass nearly as close. The detector zip ties onto the chain stay but unless you have everything set perfectly on, the slightest rotation on the chain stay such as occurs on bumpy roads causes part of the detector to slide slightly down the tapered chain stay, misalign slightly and miss the passing magnet. I had assumed that since this field is possibly variable that they would either make the detector more sensitive or use a supermagnet. But neither seems to be the case. But those highly experienced electronics engineers know better than I do.

And neither the 800 or 820 seem to have a display page that gives, cadence, speed and distance. Trying to discover how to perhaps modify the displays, I ended up in some page that was seemingly trying to get me to ride faster than I did last ride. And the only way I could get out of that was to turn the unit off and then restart it.

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 4:27:52 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:08:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 1/20/2022 2:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it
> > >> being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of
> > >> 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell
> > >> the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the
> > >> Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the
> > >> bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park
> > >> ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the
> > >> road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the
> > >> cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on
> > >> the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction
> > >> being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
> > >>
> > >> Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the
> > >> trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it
> > >> to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one
> > >> side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was
> > >> so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on
> > >> it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a
> > >> main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay
> > >> Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of
> > >> cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been
> > >> 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where
> > >> are they getting that many people with that much time off?
> > >> Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such
> > >> as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no
> > >> matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot
> > >> less than usual.
> > >>
> > >> This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more.
> > >> One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about
> > >> 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using
> > >> all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the
> > >> trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate
> > >> it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the
> > >> speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the
> > >> speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two
> > >> windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it
> > >> show speed and RPM and distance?
> > >
> > > You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent
> > > magnets that go bad!
> > >
> > > My sympathies.
> > >
> > >
> > Not advising anyone, but I have found a reasonable
> > accommodation to electronic devices on me or my bicycle:
> >
> > http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/newfon.jpg
> The newer Garmin's that you push on the end of the crank arm and which allows the magnet to pass within small fractions of an inch from the detector.. The only one I have has a magnet that zip ties onto the end of the cranks arm and because the arm has a recess to lighten it up, it doesn't pass nearly as close. The detector zip ties onto the chain stay but unless you have everything set perfectly on, the slightest rotation on the chain stay such as occurs on bumpy roads causes part of the detector to slide slightly down the tapered chain stay, misalign slightly and miss the passing magnet. I had assumed that since this field is possibly variable that they would either make the detector more sensitive or use a supermagnet. But neither seems to be the case. But those highly experienced electronics engineers know better than I do.

Life - hack - put a small dab of removable adhesive under the magnet when placing it (e.g.RTV, rubber cement). No more problems with magnet shifting, and still removable.

>
> And neither the 800 or 820 seem to have a display page that gives, cadence, speed and distance. Trying to discover how to perhaps modify the displays, I ended up in some page that was seemingly trying to get me to ride faster than I did last ride. And the only way I could get out of that was to turn the unit off and then restart it.

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
Scroll down to "Base Cycling Features"
"Once you’re riding, you’ll have a number of data fields that can be displayed at any one point in time. You can set up to 10 data fields per data screen (up from eight), and have up to 3 primary data screens, in addition to map and course based screens. You can customize all of these screens and data fields however you’d like with the following information: [followed by graphic table]

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 4:27:52 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:08:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 1/20/2022 2:38 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >> I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it
> > > >> being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of
> > > >> 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell
> > > >> the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the
> > > >> Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the
> > > >> bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park
> > > >> ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the
> > > >> road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the
> > > >> cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on
> > > >> the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction
> > > >> being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
> > > >>
> > > >> Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the
> > > >> trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it
> > > >> to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one
> > > >> side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was
> > > >> so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on
> > > >> it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a
> > > >> main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay
> > > >> Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of
> > > >> cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been
> > > >> 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where
> > > >> are they getting that many people with that much time off?
> > > >> Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such
> > > >> as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no
> > > >> matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot
> > > >> less than usual.
> > > >>
> > > >> This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more.
> > > >> One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about
> > > >> 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using
> > > >> all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the
> > > >> trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate
> > > >> it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the
> > > >> speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the
> > > >> speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two
> > > >> windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it
> > > >> show speed and RPM and distance?
> > > >
> > > > You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent
> > > > magnets that go bad!
> > > >
> > > > My sympathies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Not advising anyone, but I have found a reasonable
> > > accommodation to electronic devices on me or my bicycle:
> > >
> > > http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/newfon.jpg
> > The newer Garmin's that you push on the end of the crank arm and which allows the magnet to pass within small fractions of an inch from the detector. The only one I have has a magnet that zip ties onto the end of the cranks arm and because the arm has a recess to lighten it up, it doesn't pass nearly as close. The detector zip ties onto the chain stay but unless you have everything set perfectly on, the slightest rotation on the chain stay such as occurs on bumpy roads causes part of the detector to slide slightly down the tapered chain stay, misalign slightly and miss the passing magnet. I had assumed that since this field is possibly variable that they would either make the detector more sensitive or use a supermagnet. But neither seems to be the case. But those highly experienced electronics engineers know better than I do.
> Life - hack - put a small dab of removable adhesive under the magnet when placing it (e.g.RTV, rubber cement). No more problems with magnet shifting, and still removable.
> >
> > And neither the 800 or 820 seem to have a display page that gives, cadence, speed and distance. Trying to discover how to perhaps modify the displays, I ended up in some page that was seemingly trying to get me to ride faster than I did last ride. And the only way I could get out of that was to turn the unit off and then restart it.
> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> Scroll down to "Base Cycling Features"
> "Once you’re riding, you’ll have a number of data fields that can be displayed at any one point in time. You can set up to 10 data fields per data screen (up from eight), and have up to 3 primary data screens, in addition to map and course based screens. You can customize all of these screens and data fields however you’d like with the following information: [followed by graphic table]

Why do you run your mouth off about everything when you don't understand anything?

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:08:48 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 12:38:29 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
>> >
>> > Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where are they getting that many people with that much time off? Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot less than usual.
>> >
>> > This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more. One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it show speed and RPM and distance?
>> You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent magnets that go bad!
>Well, if I rode a 1985 touring bike with bar end friction shifters and a mechanical speedometer, I probably wouldn't have ant problems either. Why don't you give us a dissertation on modern magnets, the materials they are made from and their relative strength and longevity? Then you can explain why modern PM starter motors have such a high failure rate.

"PM starter motors have such a high failure rate"???

Tommy, I can't remember ever having to replace a starter motor and my
experience with starters dates back to the late 1940's.

So perhaps is you'd just scurry around and find us a tiny bit of proof
that you knew what you were talking about it would make us just So
happy, to know that Tommy boy "got it right" for, perhaps, the first
time in the history of the Internet.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:17:56 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:08:48 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 12:38:29 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
> >> >
> >> > Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where are they getting that many people with that much time off? Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot less than usual.
> >> >
> >> > This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more. One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it show speed and RPM and distance?
> >> You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent magnets that go bad!
> >Well, if I rode a 1985 touring bike with bar end friction shifters and a mechanical speedometer, I probably wouldn't have ant problems either. Why don't you give us a dissertation on modern magnets, the materials they are made from and their relative strength and longevity? Then you can explain why modern PM starter motors have such a high failure rate.
> "PM starter motors have such a high failure rate"???
>
> Tommy, I can't remember ever having to replace a starter motor and my
> experience with starters dates back to the late 1940's.
>
> So perhaps is you'd just scurry around and find us a tiny bit of proof
> that you knew what you were talking about it would make us just So
> happy, to know that Tommy boy "got it right" for, perhaps, the first
> time in the history of the Internet.

John, can you please continue to show us your ignorance? Starter motors used to be DC electromagnetic until the search for lighter weight to give higher gas mileage started in earnest in the 1990's. I love it when you should your vast knowledge of so many things.

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:23:49 -0800 (PST),
Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 4:27:52 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > And neither the 800 or 820 seem to have a display page that
> > > gives, cadence, speed and distance. Trying to discover how
> > > to perhaps modify the displays, I ended up in some page that
> > > was seemingly trying to get me to ride faster than I did
> > > last ride. And the only way I could get out of that was to
> > > turn the unit off and then restart it.

> > https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> > Scroll down to "Base Cycling Features" "Once you???re riding,
> > you???ll have a number of data fields that can be displayed at
> > any one point in time. You can set up to 10 data fields per
> > data screen (up from eight), and have up to 3 primary data
> > screens, in addition to map and course based screens. You can
> > customize all of these screens and data fields however you???d
> > like with the following information: [followed by graphic
> > table]
>
> Why do you run your mouth off about everything when you don't
> understand anything?

Tom, I think he was trying to help. The short version is that the
displays on these Garmin devices are highly configurable. I think
The posted link lists the parameters that can be chosen for
display. Here's a link to just that bit of the very long page...

https://media.dcrainmaker.com/images/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look-review-48.jpg

Here's a link to the Garmin instructions (for the 820)...

https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/edge820/EN-US/GUID-668E2816-63F2-49B6-B67D-E2DBB2CC2B6E.html

It's kind of a convoluted process, but the results are good!

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

On 1/20/2022 4:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Not advising anyone, but I have found a reasonable accommodation to
> electronic devices on me or my bicycle:
>
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/newfon.jpg
>
> YMMV.

There's certainly something to be said for that approach!

When I got my first cyclometer, it was partly for training motivation,
to urge myself to go just a bit faster. And it did that. In fact, one of
my ancient Avocets has a "pace arrow" to tell me if I'm above or below
my average speed. But I'm now at an age where that's easy to ignore.

I do have cyclometers on almost every bike but they're now just for idle
curiosity. I very much doubt I'll ever go farther down the electronics
rabbit hole.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 15:32:01 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:17:56 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 13:08:48 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 12:38:29 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
>> >> >
>> >> > Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where are they getting that many people with that much time off? Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot less than usual.
>> >> >
>> >> > This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more. One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the trip magnet is losing its magnetism. I can try to rotate it a little closer, this isn't the same problem on the speed pickup. Also, I don't understand why when it has the speed pickup it doesn't show the speed but instead two windows with RPM and a distance window. Why wouldn't it show speed and RPM and distance?
>> >> You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent magnets that go bad!
>> >Well, if I rode a 1985 touring bike with bar end friction shifters and a mechanical speedometer, I probably wouldn't have ant problems either. Why don't you give us a dissertation on modern magnets, the materials they are made from and their relative strength and longevity? Then you can explain why modern PM starter motors have such a high failure rate.
>> "PM starter motors have such a high failure rate"???
>>
>> Tommy, I can't remember ever having to replace a starter motor and my
>> experience with starters dates back to the late 1940's.
>>
>> So perhaps is you'd just scurry around and find us a tiny bit of proof
>> that you knew what you were talking about it would make us just So
>> happy, to know that Tommy boy "got it right" for, perhaps, the first
>> time in the history of the Internet.
>
>John, can you please continue to show us your ignorance? Starter motors used to be DC electromagnetic until the search for lighter weight to give higher gas mileage started in earnest in the 1990's. I love it when you should your vast knowledge of so many things.

Tommy, as I said earlier I've been around autos and their starter
motors since the late 1940's and I can't ever remember a starting
motor failing on the electrical side although failure or malfunction
of the "bendix drive" did happen.

And, I might add, after the early 1950's my experience encompassed
auto's trucks, airplanes and boats. All with electric starters.

Your dementia has obviously grabbed the reins and you are galloping
madly toward the finish line.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/20/2022 4:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 12:38:29 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/20/2022 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> I hit the road shortly after that posting and besides it being 40 degrees, there was heavy fog with a visibility of 1/4 mile. I didn't like riding in traffic that cannot tell the difference between heavy fog and wet roads and the Daytona 500 so I got off of the main drag and road on the bike trail. Entering the bike trail there was a park ranger parked in such a manner that you could pass on the road. I think he got out to pick up some paper. But in the cold why would he leave his door half open? So I cut by on the grass verge that probably barely had enough traction being soaking wet for me to maneuver back onto the bike path.
>>>
>>> Because of the fog and nothing to see I was watching the trail because of the cracks everywhere. I finally made it to the Oakland Airport which has a bike path along one side of the road. I road that into Alameda and there was so damn much traffic at the corner with the coffee shop on it that I just rode past and returned. As I made it to a main rode that feeds the industrial section down on Bay Farm Island I was rather surprised to see a large group of cyclist going the opposite direction. There must have been 20 cyclists in that group. This is a working day! Where are they getting that many people with that much time off? Because of the fog, I missed a lot of normal markers such as a bridge over a creek at the Oakland Colosseum. But no matter, the trail had people and riders on it but a lot less than usual.
>>>
>>> This damned Garmin is going to have to be worked on more. One of the problems was the cadence worked fine for about 4 miles and then stopped working again. Since I'm using all the correct Garmin parts I can only assume that the trip magnet is losing its magnetism...
>
>> You certainly do have lots of problems! Even permanent magnets that go bad!
>
> Well, if I rode a 1985 touring bike with bar end friction shifters and a mechanical speedometer, I probably wouldn't have ant problems either.

:-) Actually, Tom, I think you would. You remind me of this character
from Lil' Abner
http://www.deniskitchen.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/BP_240.B.JPG
although Joe tended to be a jinx for other people. Your misfortune seems
to fall on yourself.

However, there's something to be said for sticking with technology you
can understand. Hey Tom, have you tried a fixie with solid tires? :-)

> Why don't you give us a dissertation on modern magnets, the materials they are made from and their relative strength and longevity?

I'll start with some simple citations. When you disprove these using
better information, I'll see if a rebuttal is justified.

From https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/do-magnets-wear-out/
"a modern samarium-cobalt magnet takes around 700 years to lose half its
strength."

From
https://www.newscientist.com/lastword/mg24732911-800-does-magnetism-decay-over-time/
"Modern magnets made of rare earth alloys may even last for centuries."

From https://mpimagnet.com/education-center/how-long-will-your-magnet-last
"Your permanent magnet should lose no more than 1% of its magnetic
strength over a period of 100 years provided it is specified and cared
for properly."

From
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/216527/do-magnets-ever-lose-their-magnetism-and-if-so-how-long-does-it-take
"A temporary magnet can lose its magnetization in less than 1 hour.
Neodymium magnets lose less than 1% of their strength over 10 years.
Permanent magnets such as sintered Nd-Fe-B magnets remain magnetized
indefinitely."

> Then you can explain why modern PM starter motors have such a high failure rate.

So far, all I've seen is a Kunich allusion to that high failure rate.
Can you give us a reputable link with evidence that their failures are
so terrible? Maybe some data?

I'm joking! Of course you can't!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 19:48:07 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/20/2022 4:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> Not advising anyone, but I have found a reasonable accommodation to
>> electronic devices on me or my bicycle:
>>
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/newfon.jpg
>>
>> YMMV.
>
>There's certainly something to be said for that approach!
>
>When I got my first cyclometer, it was partly for training motivation,
>to urge myself to go just a bit faster. And it did that. In fact, one of
>my ancient Avocets has a "pace arrow" to tell me if I'm above or below
>my average speed. But I'm now at an age where that's easy to ignore.
>
>I do have cyclometers on almost every bike but they're now just for idle
>curiosity. I very much doubt I'll ever go farther down the electronics
>rabbit hole.

I've always felt that time and distance was all I needed to know.As
for heart rate which I have found is probably the best indication of
how hard you are going, I used a heart rate monitor for a while, maybe
a year or so, when I was running and found that after a while I could
pretty well sense how much effort I was expending, at least well
enough not to "crash and burn" before the finish line. And, what more
is there?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/20/2022 6:48 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/20/2022 4:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> Not advising anyone, but I have found a reasonable
>> accommodation to electronic devices on me or my bicycle:
>>
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/newfon.jpg
>>
>> YMMV.
>
> There's certainly something to be said for that approach!
>
> When I got my first cyclometer, it was partly for training
> motivation, to urge myself to go just a bit faster. And it
> did that. In fact, one of my ancient Avocets has a "pace
> arrow" to tell me if I'm above or below my average speed.
> But I'm now at an age where that's easy to ignore.
>
> I do have cyclometers on almost every bike but they're now
> just for idle curiosity. I very much doubt I'll ever go
> farther down the electronics rabbit hole.
>
>
I owned an ACT bicycle computer for less than an hour.
Popped it off the handlebar halfway home, tossed it and
never reconsidered.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/20/2022 4:27 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> The newer Garmin's that you push on the end of the crank arm and which allows the magnet to pass within small fractions of an inch from the detector. The only one I have has a magnet that zip ties onto the end of the cranks arm and because the arm has a recess to lighten it up, it doesn't pass nearly as close. The detector zip ties onto the chain stay but unless you have everything set perfectly on, the slightest rotation on the chain stay such as occurs on bumpy roads causes part of the detector to slide slightly down the tapered chain stay, misalign slightly and miss the passing magnet.

Wow. I'm sensing an amazing lack of mechanical aptitude.

I've a cadence sensor on our tandem. It caused a bit of trouble because
mounting the magnet on the left front crank caused the magnet holder to
come too close to the timing chain. I substituted a thin, strong NdFeB
magnet epoxied in place. It works. It's just a magnet, not rocket science.

If the pickup is moving down a tapered frame tube, use a bit of double
sided mounting tape to help keep it in place. If necessary, add shims to
get the sensor oriented as needed.

Other people can figure these things out.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 08:11:22 +0700,
John B <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 19:48:07 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >On 1/20/2022 4:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>
> >> Not advising anyone, but I have found a reasonable
> >> accommodation to electronic devices on me or my bicycle:
> >>
> >> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/newfon.jpg
> >>
> >> YMMV.
> >
> >There's certainly something to be said for that approach!
> >
> >When I got my first cyclometer, it was partly for training
> >motivation, to urge myself to go just a bit faster. And it did
> >that. In fact, one of my ancient Avocets has a "pace arrow" to
> >tell me if I'm above or below my average speed. But I'm now at
> >an age where that's easy to ignore.
> >
> >I do have cyclometers on almost every bike but they're now just
> >for idle curiosity. I very much doubt I'll ever go farther down
> >the electronics rabbit hole.
>
> I've always felt that time and distance was all I needed to
> know.As for heart rate which I have found is probably the best
> indication of how hard you are going, I used a heart rate
> monitor for a while, maybe a year or so, when I was running and
> found that after a while I could pretty well sense how much
> effort I was expending, at least well enough not to "crash and
> burn" before the finish line. And, what more is there?

I started using a HRM some 20 years ago when was trying to race,
nominally to put the right amount of effort into the various
buckets that were fashionable at the time. A few years later that
same device helped me diagnose some mild arrythmias I experienced
at the time. More recently, I find the HRM to give an early
warning of when I may be near overheating.

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA