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 by: pyotr filipivich - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 02:15 UTC

krw@notreal.com on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 21:43:50 -0400 typed in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:34:09 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:40:26 -0400 typed in
>>rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>On 8/21/2022 2:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>
>>>> P.S.  I have a couple worn out unbroken blades laying out in my scrap
>>>> metal pile that I have no idea why I saved them.  I guess I could
>>>> resharpen them in a pinch.  I guess I might do that only if I didn't
>>>> have a spare on hand.  Otherwise that would take longer than its worth.
>>>
>>>I have a broken garage door spring that I've been saving for when
>>>I have a project idea and more time. I was thinking small cutting tools
>>>for woodcarving.
>>
>> I gave the one left spring bundle to a smith friend. The other
>>one I kept because maybe some day ...
>
>Hoarding much? ;-)

Nah. Hoarding is what _they_ do.

_I_ maintain a stock pile of necessities.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

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Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 15:14:04 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>>> They could be used in a decent pro scroll saw that has clamps instead of
>>> pin hooks.
>>
>> Do they make a scroll saw which will handle a blade 1 (one) inch
>> front to back?
>
>
>I'll have to take a look at my big scroll saw and see what I think. It
>doesn't use the regular pinned scroll saw blades (it can), so it might.
> Maybe with some massaging of the blade shape at the ends. I can't
>think of why I would want to. Maybe if society breaks down, spares
>become unobtainium, and somehow I still have electricity.

I have in my notes, plans for a "walking beam" saw which _could_
use these for cutting wood. I also have some plans for using a
bicycle gear box and a treadle for powering a lathe. ...
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

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On 8/22/2022 6:09 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 8/21/2022 5:40 PM, Bill wrote:
>> On 8/21/2022 2:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>
>>> P.S.  I have a couple worn out unbroken blades laying out in my scrap
>>> metal pile that I have no idea why I saved them.  I guess I could
>>> resharpen them in a pinch.  I guess I might do that only if I didn't
>>> have a spare on hand.  Otherwise that would take longer than its worth.
>>
>> I have a broken garage door spring that I've been saving for when
>> I have a project idea and more time. I was thinking small cutting
>> tools for woodcarving.
>>
>
> I have one too.  I have mixed feelings about it though.  If it has one
> fracture (the failure) from fatigue it may have more that just haven't
> failed yet.  I don't think I'll use it unless I get it up to welding
> heat and beat on it to reforge any invisible fractures.

It occurred to me that after welding a broken garage door spring it
would take a lot of "fortitude" to then crank it up to tension! ; )
It would be a good way to test ones welding skill however!

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On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 3:06:49 PM UTC-7, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Greetings all
> Whilst cleaning out yet another box/container marked "Stuff" I
> found that I have two "bits" of 1 inch band saw blade, about a foot
> and a half in length. Having seen videos on how to turn spade bits
> into router irons...

Don't overthink it; punch holes in the blade and fit it into a hacksaw frame.
The bandsaw steel isn't particularly springy or tough, but the teeth are hard
and it'll cut.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 11:10 UTC

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:te0upt$33j$1@gioia.aioe.org...

I have one too. I have mixed feelings about it though. If it has one
fracture (the failure) from fatigue it may have more that just haven't
failed yet. I don't think I'll use it unless I get it up to welding
heat and beat on it to reforge any invisible fractures.

----------------------

At red heat cracks may become visible as abrupt color differences. I
practiced on used springs but bought a new piece of 5160 leaf spring stock
to make anything important and time-consuming, and the cheap flat pry bar I
made into a spring was new.
https://knifesteelnerds.com/2019/04/01/how-to-heat-treat-5160/

The froe prompted me to complete an electric furnace project so it could be
tempered for an hour, twice, per the blacksmith's recommendation. It turns
out the furnace may have a Platinel thermocouple which tracks type K closely
at higher temperatures but not in the range I was using, so more effort is
needed, some day. Since a froe is pounded through the wood being split with
a thick stick rather than a metal tool it doesn't really need toughness.

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pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:
>Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 15:14:04 -0700
>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>>>> They could be used in a decent pro scroll saw that has clamps instead of
>>>> pin hooks.
>>>
>>> Do they make a scroll saw which will handle a blade 1 (one) inch
>>> front to back?
>>
>>
>>I'll have to take a look at my big scroll saw and see what I think. It
>>doesn't use the regular pinned scroll saw blades (it can), so it might.
>> Maybe with some massaging of the blade shape at the ends. I can't
>>think of why I would want to. Maybe if society breaks down, spares
>>become unobtainium, and somehow I still have electricity.
>
> I have in my notes, plans for a "walking beam" saw which _could_
>use these for cutting wood. I also have some plans for using a
>bicycle gear box and a treadle for powering a lathe. ...

Do you have a copy of Audels Engineers and Mechanics Guide? Lots of
useful mechanical ideas therein. A good introduction to steam engines
in volume 1.

Check antique stores and flea markets. It is really fascinating reading.

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 by: Leon - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:24 UTC

On 8/22/2022 8:43 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:34:09 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:40:26 -0400 typed in
>> rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>> On 8/21/2022 2:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>
>>>> P.S.  I have a couple worn out unbroken blades laying out in my scrap
>>>> metal pile that I have no idea why I saved them.  I guess I could
>>>> resharpen them in a pinch.  I guess I might do that only if I didn't
>>>> have a spare on hand.  Otherwise that would take longer than its worth.
>>>
>>> I have a broken garage door spring that I've been saving for when
>>> I have a project idea and more time. I was thinking small cutting tools
>>> for woodcarving.
>>
>> I gave the one left spring bundle to a smith friend. The other
>> one I kept because maybe some day ...
>
> Hoarding much? ;-)

ROTFLMAO

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 by: krw...@notreal.com - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:32 UTC

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 19:15:51 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

>krw@notreal.com on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 21:43:50 -0400 typed in
>rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:34:09 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:40:26 -0400 typed in
>>>rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>>On 8/21/2022 2:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> P.S.  I have a couple worn out unbroken blades laying out in my scrap
>>>>> metal pile that I have no idea why I saved them.  I guess I could
>>>>> resharpen them in a pinch.  I guess I might do that only if I didn't
>>>>> have a spare on hand.  Otherwise that would take longer than its worth.
>>>>
>>>>I have a broken garage door spring that I've been saving for when
>>>>I have a project idea and more time. I was thinking small cutting tools
>>>>for woodcarving.
>>>
>>> I gave the one left spring bundle to a smith friend. The other
>>>one I kept because maybe some day ...
>>
>>Hoarding much? ;-)
>
> Nah. Hoarding is what _they_ do.
>
> _I_ maintain a stock pile of necessities.

Ah, I see. To conjugate "save":

Singular:
I "squirrel away"
You "stockpile"
He/she/it "hoards"

Plural
We "collect"
You "accumulate"
They "prep"

Got it.

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 by: Jack - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 15:54 UTC

On 8/21/2022 2:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 8/20/2022 6:05 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>     2) what can be done with a piece of band saw blade? It is not
>>>> exactly stiff enough for use in plane, although it might work for a
>>>> knife blade.
>>>>
>>>>     Any ideas for "alternative" uses?
>>>

>> They could be used in a decent pro scroll saw that has clamps instead
>> of pin hooks.

1" blade is pretty big for a scroll saw blade. I did this with my old
24" Delta/Rockwell scroll saw and 3/16th" BS blade, and while it worked,
not as well as a scroll saw blade and basically was not worth it. I used
a rough, 3 tooth skip blade, not the best for scroll work.

I'd go for the scraper blade myself, but there again, is it really worth it?

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:39 UTC

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message news:Zq5NK.93622$Sf2.6758@fx34.iad...

Do you have a copy of Audels Engineers and Mechanics Guide? Lots of
useful mechanical ideas therein. A good introduction to steam engines
in volume 1.

Check antique stores and flea markets. It is really fascinating reading.

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https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/books/AudelsEngineersandMechanicsGuide7_10522311

There's also an Audels Millwrights and Mechanics Guide which I have.

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:54 UTC

"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:
>"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message news:Zq5NK.93622$Sf2.6758@fx34.iad...
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>Do you have a copy of Audels Engineers and Mechanics Guide? Lots of
>useful mechanical ideas therein. A good introduction to steam engines
>in volume 1.
>
>Check antique stores and flea markets. It is really fascinating reading.
>
>---------------------
>
>https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/books/AudelsEngineersandMechanicsGuide7_10522311
>
>There's also an Audels Millwrights and Mechanics Guide which I have.
>

I prefer the leatherbound, gilt-edge original editions myself.

I have volumes 1-7 of the Engineers and Mechanics[*], all four of the
Carpenters and Builders guides(two sets), the Diesel engine one, reading
blueprints, volumes 1-4 of the Plumbers and Steam Fitters guide and the Electric
Dictionary.

[*] Picked up a month ago at an antique shop in San Juan Bautista
for USD50.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 17:21 UTC

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message news:wD7NK.176232$Me2.148403@fx47.iad...

I prefer the leatherbound, gilt-edge original editions myself.

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I buy old technology books as reprints to read and learn from, and leave the
collectible ones for collectors, including a Segway engineer who showed me
his magnificent library of the originals like Lindsay used to reprint.

I'm not intentionally trying to assemble a museum, it just happens.

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 by: Leon - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 20:11 UTC

On 8/23/2022 10:54 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 8/21/2022 2:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 8/20/2022 6:05 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>     2) what can be done with a piece of band saw blade? It is not
>>>>> exactly stiff enough for use in plane, although it might work for a
>>>>> knife blade.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Any ideas for "alternative" uses?
>>>>
>
>>> They could be used in a decent pro scroll saw that has clamps instead
>>> of pin hooks.
>
> 1" blade is pretty big for a scroll saw blade. I did this with my old
> 24" Delta/Rockwell scroll saw and 3/16th" BS blade, and while it worked,
> not as well as a scroll saw blade and basically was not worth it. I used
> a rough, 3 tooth skip blade, not the best for scroll work.

LOL, Hell a 1" blade is pretty big for some band saws. ;~)

Was a single tooth doing all the work on that 3 tooth blade?

>
> I'd go for the scraper blade myself, but there again, is it really worth
> it?
>

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 by: Bob La Londe - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 21:42 UTC

On 8/22/2022 5:02 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 8/22/2022 5:14 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 8/21/2022 6:34 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> on Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:21:57 -0700
>>> typed in rec.crafts.metalworking  the following:
>>>> On 8/20/2022 3:37 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> On 8/20/2022 6:05 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>> Greetings all
>>>>>>      Whilst cleaning out yet another box/container marked "Stuff" I
>>>>>> found that I have two "bits" of 1 inch band saw blade, about a foot
>>>>>> and a half in length.  Having seen videos on how to turn spade bits
>>>>>> into router irons, I have two questions:
>>>>>>      1) "What was I thinking?"
>>>>>>      2) what can be done with a piece of band saw blade? It is not
>>>>>> exactly stiff enough for use in plane, although it might work for a
>>>>>> knife blade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Any ideas for "alternative" uses?
>>>>>
>>>>> You could probably fashion a blade for the end of your favorite "box
>>>>> cutter".  Maybe it would last longer than the kind you buy 12 for
>>>>> $2. An
>>>>> envelope opener also comes to mind.  Filet knives (for fish) have
>>>>> flexible blades. Good luck with your project!   : )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They could be used in a decent pro scroll saw that has clamps
>>>> instead of
>>>> pin hooks.
>>>
>>>     Do they make a scroll saw which will handle a blade 1 (one) inch
>>> front to back?
>>
>>
>> I'll have to take a look at my big scroll saw and see what I think.
>> It doesn't use the regular pinned scroll saw blades (it can), so it
>> might.   Maybe with some massaging of the blade shape at the ends.  I
>> can't think of why I would want to.  Maybe if society breaks down,
>> spares become unobtainium, and somehow I still have electricity.
>>
>
>
> Would not a band saw blade make a scroll saw relatively pointless?   I
> mean are scroll saw blades so expensive that you would want to use make
> one out of a band saw blade?   Would a scroll saw have the oomph to
> power a 1" wide blade?
>

Apparently you CAN criticize even if you didn't read what was written.
LOL.

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 by: Bob La Londe - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 00:43 UTC

On 8/22/2022 8:23 PM, Bill wrote:
> On 8/22/2022 6:09 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 8/21/2022 5:40 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> On 8/21/2022 2:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>
>>>> P.S.  I have a couple worn out unbroken blades laying out in my
>>>> scrap metal pile that I have no idea why I saved them.  I guess I
>>>> could resharpen them in a pinch.  I guess I might do that only if I
>>>> didn't have a spare on hand.  Otherwise that would take longer than
>>>> its worth.
>>>
>>> I have a broken garage door spring that I've been saving for when
>>> I have a project idea and more time. I was thinking small cutting
>>> tools for woodcarving.
>>>
>>
>> I have one too.  I have mixed feelings about it though.  If it has one
>> fracture (the failure) from fatigue it may have more that just haven't
>> failed yet.  I don't think I'll use it unless I get it up to welding
>> heat and beat on it to reforge any invisible fractures.
>
> It occurred to me that after welding a broken garage door spring it
> would take a lot of "fortitude" to then crank it up to tension!  ; ) It
> would be a good way to test ones welding skill however!
>

No, I was just thinking about how guys on gun groups will go to extremes
trying to reheat treat (they often miss-say re-temper) a spring that has
gone soft over the course of 100+ years instead of taking a piece of
spring steel sheet and making a new one with no issues that is sitting
there on a shelf for just such a purpose. Yeah, I can't imagine
standing there on a lander with a pair of winding bars cranking up a
garage door spring with a weld in it. I just don't have that much
nerve. Its kind of scary just winding up a garage door spring when its
brand new.

Brrrrr!!!!

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 by: Gerry - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 03:46 UTC

On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:39:56 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
<muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message news:Zq5NK.93622$Sf2.6758@fx34.iad...
>
>Do you have a copy of Audels Engineers and Mechanics Guide? Lots of
>useful mechanical ideas therein. A good introduction to steam engines
>in volume 1.
>
>Check antique stores and flea markets. It is really fascinating reading.
>
>---------------------
>
>https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/books/AudelsEngineersandMechanicsGuide7_10522311
>
>There's also an Audels Millwrights and Mechanics Guide which I have.
My copy of "Audel's Machinists and tool makers handy book" is right
beside my 13th edition of "Machinery's Handbook"

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:27 UTC

"Gerry" wrote in message news:de7bgh986f10femvbvvse3kuc0rjjickit@4ax.com...

On Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:39:56 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
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>Do you have a copy of Audels Engineers and Mechanics Guide? Lots of
>useful mechanical ideas therein. A good introduction to steam engines
>in volume 1.
>
>Check antique stores and flea markets. It is really fascinating reading.
>
>---------------------
>
>https://www.forgottenbooks.com/en/books/AudelsEngineersandMechanicsGuide7_10522311
>
>There's also an Audels Millwrights and Mechanics Guide which I have.
My copy of "Audel's Machinists and tool makers handy book" is right
beside my 13th edition of "Machinery's Handbook"

-----------------

I have a Fourth Edition of Marks' Handbook. It's old and quaint, but not as
out of date as an ancient Egyptian text I saw that gives Pi as 16/9 squared.
Those space aliens who helped them weren't as smart as claimed.

I went through school and college at the very end of the slide rule era.
It's interesting to peruse old texts and see how far back the curriculum I
learned existed, for instance the slide rule dates from the 1600's, although
water isn't HO any more. The geometry we learned was hundreds of years old
when Jesus was a student.

In the Colonial Era we were barely more advanced than the Romans, and well
behind them in public water and sewer systems. The Founding Fathers observed
prototypes of the steamboat and locomotive, manned flight and high capacity
assault rifles though none had been developed enough for practical use yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fitch_(inventor)
https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/george-washington-and-ballooning/
https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-girandoni-air-rifle/
Other sources claim Thomas Jefferson imported it.

The signed Declaration of Independence manuscript is in poor shape because
it was used as the wet-process master to produce image copies with its hand
signatures, like a Mimeograph (or Xerox), rather than a typeset version.
There are Roman-era first editions of the Bible in better condition.

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Jack <jbstein2@comcast.net> on Tue, 23 Aug 2022 11:54:45 -0400 typed
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>On 8/21/2022 2:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 8/20/2022 6:05 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>     2) what can be done with a piece of band saw blade? It is not
>>>>> exactly stiff enough for use in plane, although it might work for a
>>>>> knife blade.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Any ideas for "alternative" uses?
>>>>
>
>>> They could be used in a decent pro scroll saw that has clamps instead
>>> of pin hooks.
>
>1" blade is pretty big for a scroll saw blade. I did this with my old
>24" Delta/Rockwell scroll saw and 3/16th" BS blade, and while it worked,
>not as well as a scroll saw blade and basically was not worth it. I used
>a rough, 3 tooth skip blade, not the best for scroll work.
>
>I'd go for the scraper blade myself, but there again, is it really worth it?

Like so many things: is "making it yourself" worth it? As the
saying goes "I'm going to spend 29.95 on supplies to make something I
could buy for 2.50."

When making something from scratch, do you make your own scratch?

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"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> on Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:21:10
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>I prefer the leatherbound, gilt-edge original editions myself.
>
>---------------------
>
>I buy old technology books as reprints to read and learn from, and leave the
>collectible ones for collectors, including a Segway engineer who showed me
>his magnificent library of the originals like Lindsay used to reprint.
>
>I'm not intentionally trying to assemble a museum, it just happens.

Ayup.

While in tech school I went to a trade show in Portland. (Teacher
would approve the absence if we brought back "goodies".) Powell's
Technical Books had a copy of the Machinery Handbook, 7th ed (1940). I
bought it for the cool factor, then discovered it covered areas I'd
not thought of. Hard a whole section on railroad specific issue. I'd
not thought of railroads as potential source of employment as a
machinist before then.

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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) on Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:24:57 GMT
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>>Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 15:14:04 -0700
>>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>
>>>>> They could be used in a decent pro scroll saw that has clamps instead of
>>>>> pin hooks.
>>>>
>>>> Do they make a scroll saw which will handle a blade 1 (one) inch
>>>> front to back?
>>>
>>>
>>>I'll have to take a look at my big scroll saw and see what I think. It
>>>doesn't use the regular pinned scroll saw blades (it can), so it might.
>>> Maybe with some massaging of the blade shape at the ends. I can't
>>>think of why I would want to. Maybe if society breaks down, spares
>>>become unobtainium, and somehow I still have electricity.
>>
>> I have in my notes, plans for a "walking beam" saw which _could_
>>use these for cutting wood. I also have some plans for using a
>>bicycle gear box and a treadle for powering a lathe. ...
>
>Do you have a copy of Audels Engineers and Mechanics Guide? Lots of
>useful mechanical ideas therein. A good introduction to steam engines
>in volume 1.

Nope. Lot of other interesting books.

>Check antique stores and flea markets. It is really fascinating reading.

Sigh, so many books, so little time. Been saying that since High
School.
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 by: pyotr filipivich - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:45 UTC

krw@notreal.com on Tue, 23 Aug 2022 10:32:14 -0400 typed in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 19:15:51 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>krw@notreal.com on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 21:43:50 -0400 typed in
>>rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 18:34:09 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>><phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Bill <nonegiven@att.net> on Sun, 21 Aug 2022 20:40:26 -0400 typed in
>>>>rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>>>On 8/21/2022 2:57 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S.  I have a couple worn out unbroken blades laying out in my scrap
>>>>>> metal pile that I have no idea why I saved them.  I guess I could
>>>>>> resharpen them in a pinch.  I guess I might do that only if I didn't
>>>>>> have a spare on hand.  Otherwise that would take longer than its worth.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a broken garage door spring that I've been saving for when
>>>>>I have a project idea and more time. I was thinking small cutting tools
>>>>>for woodcarving.
>>>>
>>>> I gave the one left spring bundle to a smith friend. The other
>>>>one I kept because maybe some day ...
>>>
>>>Hoarding much? ;-)
>>
>> Nah. Hoarding is what _they_ do.
>>
>> _I_ maintain a stock pile of necessities.
>
>Ah, I see. To conjugate "save":
>
>Singular:
>I "squirrel away"
>You "stockpile"
>He/she/it "hoards"

_I_ stockpile
_You_ squirrel away.
...
>
>Plural
>We "collect"
>You "accumulate"
>They "prep"
>
>Got it.

Yep.
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 by: pyotr filipivich - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:45 UTC

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 22:07:23 -0700 (PDT)
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 3:06:49 PM UTC-7, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Greetings all
>> Whilst cleaning out yet another box/container marked "Stuff" I
>> found that I have two "bits" of 1 inch band saw blade, about a foot
>> and a half in length. Having seen videos on how to turn spade bits
>> into router irons...
>
>Don't overthink it; punch holes in the blade and fit it into a hacksaw frame.
>The bandsaw steel isn't particularly springy or tough, but the teeth are hard
>and it'll cut.

Good tip.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 01:40 UTC

I really need to sort my old book collection better. Audel's Machinist and
Tool Makers Handy Book doesn't belong between The Victor Book of the Opera
and Flavius Josephus.

The rough planks for more shelves should be properly seasoned by next
spring.

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 by: Leon Fisk - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:08 UTC

On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 21:40:57 -0400
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

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>I really need to sort my old book collection better. Audel's Machinist and
>Tool Makers Handy Book doesn't belong between The Victor Book of the Opera
>and Flavius Josephus.

They'll be even harder to find after you sort them. You'll find
yourself staring at where they used to be and not recalling where
they moved to...

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Leon Fisk
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 by: Leon Fisk - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 15:16 UTC

On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:45:54 -0700
pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote:

<snip>
>>Do you have a copy of Audels Engineers and Mechanics Guide? Lots of
>>useful mechanical ideas therein. A good introduction to steam engines
>>in volume 1.
>
> Nope. Lot of other interesting books.

There are some decent 1921 copies at Archive. Try this search:

https://archive.org/search.php?query=title%3A%28Audels%20Engineers%29%20AND%20collection%3A%28cdl%29%20AND%20mediatype%3A%28texts%29

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