https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688

It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.

There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.

Andre Jute
Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
>
> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
>
> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
>
> Andre Jute
> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.

The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.

So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:25:46 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> >
> > It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> >
> > There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
>
> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
>
That whole pipeline business is bizarre. A British MP thinks it is Putin sending a message that more could be destroyed to deliver pain to the West. Meanwhile, if Putin is rational, which shouldn't be the default assumption, gas could be delivered through several other pipelines. Map at https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-4308624.jpg?r=1664367784235 It was beyond crazy of the Europeans to give Putin so much control over their energy, even after Mr Trump tried to talk some sense into them. -- AJ

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:46:24 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:25:46 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> > >
> > > It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> > >
> > > There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> > The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> >
> > So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> >
> That whole pipeline business is bizarre. A British MP thinks it is Putin sending a message that more could be destroyed to deliver pain to the West. Meanwhile, if Putin is rational, which shouldn't be the default assumption, gas could be delivered through several other pipelines. Map at https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-4308624.jpg?r=1664367784235 It was beyond crazy of the Europeans to give Putin so much control over their energy, even after Mr Trump tried to talk some sense into them. -- AJ
I am absolutely certain that Putin is not all there. Were he in the least interested in his own people he would not be wasting what little wealth Russia has in fighting what has turned out to be a losing war. But I'm sure that will not be long in ending since the rich of Russia are NOT going to stand bravely at attention and allow their youth - the flower of a generation - be drafted and essentially sent off to their doom.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:05:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:46:24 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:25:46 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> > > >
> > > > It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> > > >
> > > > There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> > > >
> > > > Andre Jute
> > > > Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> > > The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> > >
> > > So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> > >
> > That whole pipeline business is bizarre. A British MP thinks it is Putin sending a message that more could be destroyed to deliver pain to the West. Meanwhile, if Putin is rational, which shouldn't be the default assumption, gas could be delivered through several other pipelines. Map at https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-4308624.jpg?r=1664367784235 It was beyond crazy of the Europeans to give Putin so much control over their energy, even after Mr Trump tried to talk some sense into them. -- AJ
> I am absolutely certain that Putin is not all there. Were he in the least interested in his own people he would not be wasting what little wealth Russia has in fighting what has turned out to be a losing war. But I'm sure that will not be long in ending since the rich of Russia are NOT going to stand bravely at attention and allow their youth - the flower of a generation - be drafted and essentially sent off to their doom.
>
We can only wish, but I'm not so sure. The depth of Russian fatalism is unfathomed, and that man has a very firm grip on the institutions where Russian decisions of State are made. On the other hand, there is the distinctly Russian tradition of assassinating tyrants once they start losing. -- AJ
>

On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
>>
>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
>>
>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
>>
>> Andre Jute
>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
>
> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
>
> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
>

The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
too many actors with both means and motivation.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:42:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> >>
> >> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> >>
> >> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> >>
> >> Andre Jute
> >> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> >
> > The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> >
> > So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> >
> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
> too many actors with both means and motivation.
There were THREE very large underwater explosions. There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without leaving traces all over the place. Andre points out to what occurs to losers in the Russian political atmosphere. Putin used to be the head of the KGB so he is well aware of what can and might be done. Especially now that his attack on the Ukraine has turned into losing the cream of his military might. Does anyone with a shred of intelligence believe that supplying nothing more than cannon fodder is going to change things?

No, the only one with a motive and the capability was Biden and he told the entire world in a press conference that he intended to do just that.

On 9/28/2022 10:39 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:05:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:46:24 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:25:46 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
>>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
>>>>
>>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
>>>>
>>> That whole pipeline business is bizarre. A British MP thinks it is Putin sending a message that more could be destroyed to deliver pain to the West. Meanwhile, if Putin is rational, which shouldn't be the default assumption, gas could be delivered through several other pipelines. Map at https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-4308624.jpg?r=1664367784235 It was beyond crazy of the Europeans to give Putin so much control over their energy, even after Mr Trump tried to talk some sense into them. -- AJ
>> I am absolutely certain that Putin is not all there. Were he in the least interested in his own people he would not be wasting what little wealth Russia has in fighting what has turned out to be a losing war. But I'm sure that will not be long in ending since the rich of Russia are NOT going to stand bravely at attention and allow their youth - the flower of a generation - be drafted and essentially sent off to their doom.
>>
> We can only wish, but I'm not so sure. The depth of Russian fatalism is unfathomed, and that man has a very firm grip on the institutions where Russian decisions of State are made. On the other hand, there is the distinctly Russian tradition of assassinating tyrants once they start losing. -- AJ
>>

All week I've listened to pundits quoting (as regards Putin
and Xi)'Revolution is impossible until it is inevitable'.
Well, duh. But who knows when time has come? I surely don't.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:51:37 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 10:39 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:05:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:46:24 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:25:46 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andre Jute
> >>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> >>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> >>>>
> >>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> >>>>
> >>> That whole pipeline business is bizarre. A British MP thinks it is Putin sending a message that more could be destroyed to deliver pain to the West. Meanwhile, if Putin is rational, which shouldn't be the default assumption, gas could be delivered through several other pipelines. Map at https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-4308624.jpg?r=1664367784235 It was beyond crazy of the Europeans to give Putin so much control over their energy, even after Mr Trump tried to talk some sense into them. -- AJ
> >> I am absolutely certain that Putin is not all there. Were he in the least interested in his own people he would not be wasting what little wealth Russia has in fighting what has turned out to be a losing war. But I'm sure that will not be long in ending since the rich of Russia are NOT going to stand bravely at attention and allow their youth - the flower of a generation - be drafted and essentially sent off to their doom.
> >>
> > We can only wish, but I'm not so sure. The depth of Russian fatalism is unfathomed, and that man has a very firm grip on the institutions where Russian decisions of State are made. On the other hand, there is the distinctly Russian tradition of assassinating tyrants once they start losing. -- AJ
> >>
> All week I've listened to pundits quoting (as regards Putin
> and Xi)'Revolution is impossible until it is inevitable'.
> Well, duh. But who knows when time has come? I surely don't.

There are two possibilities in November - either there is a overwhelming Republican victory or the Democrats have now perfected election fraud. But if the later we will see whistle blowers.

On 9/28/2022 10:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up.

Tom, you can prove you're not insanely delusional by posting a direct
quote of Biden saying that.

We'll wait.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 9:07:02 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:51:37 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 9/28/2022 10:39 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:05:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:46:24 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:25:46 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail..com wrote:
> > >>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > >>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Andre Jute
> > >>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> > >>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> > >>>>
> > >>> That whole pipeline business is bizarre. A British MP thinks it is Putin sending a message that more could be destroyed to deliver pain to the West. Meanwhile, if Putin is rational, which shouldn't be the default assumption, gas could be delivered through several other pipelines. Map at https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-4308624.jpg?r=1664367784235 It was beyond crazy of the Europeans to give Putin so much control over their energy, even after Mr Trump tried to talk some sense into them. -- AJ
> > >> I am absolutely certain that Putin is not all there. Were he in the least interested in his own people he would not be wasting what little wealth Russia has in fighting what has turned out to be a losing war. But I'm sure that will not be long in ending since the rich of Russia are NOT going to stand bravely at attention and allow their youth - the flower of a generation - be drafted and essentially sent off to their doom.
> > >>
> > > We can only wish, but I'm not so sure. The depth of Russian fatalism is unfathomed, and that man has a very firm grip on the institutions where Russian decisions of State are made. On the other hand, there is the distinctly Russian tradition of assassinating tyrants once they start losing. -- AJ
> > >>
> > All week I've listened to pundits quoting (as regards Putin
> > and Xi)'Revolution is impossible until it is inevitable'.
> > Well, duh. But who knows when time has come? I surely don't.
> There are two possibilities in November - either there is a overwhelming Republican victory or the Democrats have now perfected election fraud. But if the later we will see whistle blowers.
Checking my Gmail around I see that Krygowski who has proven wrong on every single thing he has said in 20 years is presently pretending that his God - Biden - would NEVER say directly that he would commit an international act of terrorism after saying he would.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-what-happened-nord-stream-pipeline?yptr=yahoo

On 9/28/2022 12:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Checking my Gmail around I see that Krygowski who has proven wrong on every single thing he has said in 20 years is presently pretending that his God - Biden - would NEVER say directly that he would commit an international act of terrorism after saying he would.
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-what-happened-nord-stream-pipeline?yptr=yahoo

:-) Ah, Tom! I suspected you got your delusion from Tucker Carlson,
World's Whackiest News Propagandist!

Now to prove your point, please highlight the _quotation_ of President
Biden saying he would blow up that pipeline. Note, I'm not interested in
Tucker Carlson's pretending or rephrasing, because Carlson is as crazy
as you. I'm interested in a direct Biden quotation.

Here's a hint to help your dismal reading comprehension: When Carlson
ends a sentence with a question mark, as in "So once again, did the
Biden administration really do this?" it is NOT a statement of fact.
It's a hypothetical and inflammatory question intended to suck in idiot
right wing "true believers." And predictably, it worked on you.

Oddly, other people don't seem to blame Biden.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-lawmakers-break-europes-silence-105844953.html
They tend to suspect Russia. But Carlson and his disciples are willing
to attack Biden in order to protect their true love, Putin.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 9:57:17 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 9:07:02 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:51:37 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 9/28/2022 10:39 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:05:59 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > >> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 7:46:24 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > >>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 3:25:46 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > >>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Andre Jute
> > > >>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> > > >>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> That whole pipeline business is bizarre. A British MP thinks it is Putin sending a message that more could be destroyed to deliver pain to the West. Meanwhile, if Putin is rational, which shouldn't be the default assumption, gas could be delivered through several other pipelines. Map at https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/vladimir-putin-russia-ukraine-4308624.jpg?r=1664367784235 It was beyond crazy of the Europeans to give Putin so much control over their energy, even after Mr Trump tried to talk some sense into them. -- AJ
> > > >> I am absolutely certain that Putin is not all there. Were he in the least interested in his own people he would not be wasting what little wealth Russia has in fighting what has turned out to be a losing war. But I'm sure that will not be long in ending since the rich of Russia are NOT going to stand bravely at attention and allow their youth - the flower of a generation - be drafted and essentially sent off to their doom.
> > > >>
> > > > We can only wish, but I'm not so sure. The depth of Russian fatalism is unfathomed, and that man has a very firm grip on the institutions where Russian decisions of State are made. On the other hand, there is the distinctly Russian tradition of assassinating tyrants once they start losing. -- AJ
> > > >>
> > > All week I've listened to pundits quoting (as regards Putin
> > > and Xi)'Revolution is impossible until it is inevitable'.
> > > Well, duh. But who knows when time has come? I surely don't.
> > There are two possibilities in November - either there is a overwhelming Republican victory or the Democrats have now perfected election fraud. But if the later we will see whistle blowers.
> Checking my Gmail around I see that Krygowski who has proven wrong on every single thing he has said in 20 years is presently pretending that his God - Biden - would NEVER say directly that he would commit an international act of terrorism after saying he would.
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-what-happened-nord-stream-pipeline?yptr=yahoo

I just HAD to go on Gmail to see that Francis was going to do exactly what I could have predicted - you see because it was REPORTED by Tucker Carlson with a direct video of Biden saying that it nullified completely what gf\the video showed. The YouTube video of Biden saying this is all over the Internet but Fracis like the useless little cunt he is, is implying that Biden never said that and that Carlson made a fake video. I used that citation precisely because I wanted everyone to see what sort of mind Krygowski has and why nothing he says is ever, EVER, of any value.

On 9/28/2022 10:50 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:42:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
>>>>
>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
>>>>
>>>> Andre Jute
>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
>>>
>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
>>>
>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
>>>
>> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
>> too many actors with both means and motivation.
> There were THREE very large underwater explosions. There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without leaving traces all over the place. Andre points out to what occurs to losers in the Russian political atmosphere. Putin used to be the head of the KGB so he is well aware of what can and might be done. Especially now that his attack on the Ukraine has turned into losing the cream of his military might. Does anyone with a shred of intelligence believe that supplying nothing more than cannon fodder is going to change things?
>
> No, the only one with a motive and the capability was Biden and he told the entire world in a press conference that he intended to do just that.
>

It's not a technically daunting problem. No need for
submarines or UDT or SBS commandos. As noted in a British
paper yesterday the routes are well publicized. One need
only pass a 'fishing' trawler across the path, drop a timed
explosive and keep moving. 'Timed explosive' can be an hour
or a day or a week.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 10:50 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:42:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> >>>>
> >>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> >>>>
> >>>> Andre Jute
> >>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> >>>
> >>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> >>>
> >>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> >>>
> >> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
> >> too many actors with both means and motivation.
> > There were THREE very large underwater explosions. There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without leaving traces all over the place. Andre points out to what occurs to losers in the Russian political atmosphere. Putin used to be the head of the KGB so he is well aware of what can and might be done. Especially now that his attack on the Ukraine has turned into losing the cream of his military might. Does anyone with a shred of intelligence believe that supplying nothing more than cannon fodder is going to change things?
> >
> > No, the only one with a motive and the capability was Biden and he told the entire world in a press conference that he intended to do just that.
> >
> It's not a technically daunting problem. No need for
> submarines or UDT or SBS commandos. As noted in a British
> paper yesterday the routes are well publicized. One need
> only pass a 'fishing' trawler across the path, drop a timed
> explosive and keep moving. 'Timed explosive' can be an hour
> or a day or a week.

Undersea pipelines are triple protected - a pipe inside a pipe inside a pipe. This means that you have to place an explosive very large and directly in contact with the pipeline because they are protected again earthquakes and the very unlikely case of a ship sinking directly on top of them.

On 9/28/2022 1:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/28/2022 10:50 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:42:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
>>>>>
>>>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
>>>>>
>>>> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
>>>> too many actors with both means and motivation.
>>> There were THREE very large underwater explosions. There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without leaving traces all over the place. Andre points out to what occurs to losers in the Russian political atmosphere. Putin used to be the head of the KGB so he is well aware of what can and might be done. Especially now that his attack on the Ukraine has turned into losing the cream of his military might. Does anyone with a shred of intelligence believe that supplying nothing more than cannon fodder is going to change things?
>>>
>>> No, the only one with a motive and the capability was Biden and he told the entire world in a press conference that he intended to do just that.
>>>
>> It's not a technically daunting problem. No need for
>> submarines or UDT or SBS commandos. As noted in a British
>> paper yesterday the routes are well publicized. One need
>> only pass a 'fishing' trawler across the path, drop a timed
>> explosive and keep moving. 'Timed explosive' can be an hour
>> or a day or a week.
>
> Undersea pipelines are triple protected - a pipe inside a pipe inside a pipe. This means that you have to place an explosive very large and directly in contact with the pipeline because they are protected again earthquakes and the very unlikely case of a ship sinking directly on top of them.
>

They're substantial heavy-wall steel pipe encased in
concrete but a relatively small explosive device can crack
them. Note the Swedish seismic data- not large at all.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 1:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 9/28/2022 10:50 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:42:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andre Jute
> >>>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> >>>>>
> >>>> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
> >>>> too many actors with both means and motivation.
> >>> There were THREE very large underwater explosions. There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without leaving traces all over the place. Andre points out to what occurs to losers in the Russian political atmosphere. Putin used to be the head of the KGB so he is well aware of what can and might be done. Especially now that his attack on the Ukraine has turned into losing the cream of his military might. Does anyone with a shred of intelligence believe that supplying nothing more than cannon fodder is going to change things?
> >>>
> >>> No, the only one with a motive and the capability was Biden and he told the entire world in a press conference that he intended to do just that.
> >>>
> >> It's not a technically daunting problem. No need for
> >> submarines or UDT or SBS commandos. As noted in a British
> >> paper yesterday the routes are well publicized. One need
> >> only pass a 'fishing' trawler across the path, drop a timed
> >> explosive and keep moving. 'Timed explosive' can be an hour
> >> or a day or a week.
> >
> > Undersea pipelines are triple protected - a pipe inside a pipe inside a pipe. This means that you have to place an explosive very large and directly in contact with the pipeline because they are protected again earthquakes and the very unlikely case of a ship sinking directly on top of them.
> >
> They're substantial heavy-wall steel pipe encased in
> concrete but a relatively small explosive device can crack
> them. Note the Swedish seismic data- not large at all.

It turns out that sort of like you say it as only a single layer steel pipe.. Or almost. It was a steel pipe covered AFTER welding with a concrete shell but more importantly it has a modern inner thick shell of a rubber-like self sealing material to prevent leaks from any natural source. It is the longest pipeline in the world and so the highest technology known had to be used to prevent even small leaks since it moves something like 33 Billion cubic meters of gas each year and was scheduled to double that. Even a small leak could cause an environmental disaster so it wasn't "easy" to breech and it wasn't small explosives since it was measured on seismometers. It was estimated at several tons of explosives each in two places. Not exactly the sort of thing that a couple of terrorist Frogmen would do.

But allow me to point out that that was a pipe inside a pipe inside a pipe. And it couldn't be laid by a ship since that is one of the busiest waterways in the world and traffic is entirely radar controlled. Therefore it was carried and positioned by a submarine. No doubt a USN attack submarine which would be able to stay invisible to detection in water that shallow.

Now, can you guess what Russia is going to do since at the time while gas wasn't flowing actively the pipeline had to remain pressurized?

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 4:42:23 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> >>
> >> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> >>
> >> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> >>
> >> Andre Jute
> >> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> >
> > The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> >
> > So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> >
> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
> too many actors with both means and motivation.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
On second thoughts, I'm less inclined to agree with the glib belief that Putin did it himself as a message. It's far too subtle. He would just have turned off the gas and said, "I'll turn it back on when you stop interfering." But I can't as an alternative believe that Biden, a frightened old man, did it. But I don't have any definite candidates either: there are, as you say, just too many people who hate one or the other of the players and boosters and kibitzers in this comedy of errors. The most likely party to orchestrate a split second techno-bombing like this, without blowing themselves up, are the Ukrainians, who have their own ex-KGB/FSB/GRU types, as the Ukrainians were such a force in the Brezhnev years (from before the war, actually, but I was in Russia in Brezhnev's "little perestroika" and noticed the poor quality of official Russian diction then, so of course I'm biased) that the whole Russian language as spoken at apparatchik level took on an ugly Ukrainian sound. -- AJ
>

On 9/28/2022 3:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/28/2022 1:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 9/28/2022 10:50 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:42:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
>>>>>> too many actors with both means and motivation.
>>>>> There were THREE very large underwater explosions. There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without leaving traces all over the place. Andre points out to what occurs to losers in the Russian political atmosphere. Putin used to be the head of the KGB so he is well aware of what can and might be done. Especially now that his attack on the Ukraine has turned into losing the cream of his military might. Does anyone with a shred of intelligence believe that supplying nothing more than cannon fodder is going to change things?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, the only one with a motive and the capability was Biden and he told the entire world in a press conference that he intended to do just that.
>>>>>
>>>> It's not a technically daunting problem. No need for
>>>> submarines or UDT or SBS commandos. As noted in a British
>>>> paper yesterday the routes are well publicized. One need
>>>> only pass a 'fishing' trawler across the path, drop a timed
>>>> explosive and keep moving. 'Timed explosive' can be an hour
>>>> or a day or a week.
>>>
>>> Undersea pipelines are triple protected - a pipe inside a pipe inside a pipe. This means that you have to place an explosive very large and directly in contact with the pipeline because they are protected again earthquakes and the very unlikely case of a ship sinking directly on top of them.
>>>
>> They're substantial heavy-wall steel pipe encased in
>> concrete but a relatively small explosive device can crack
>> them. Note the Swedish seismic data- not large at all.
>
> It turns out that sort of like you say it as only a single layer steel pipe. Or almost. It was a steel pipe covered AFTER welding with a concrete shell but more importantly it has a modern inner thick shell of a rubber-like self sealing material to prevent leaks from any natural source. It is the longest pipeline in the world and so the highest technology known had to be used to prevent even small leaks since it moves something like 33 Billion cubic meters of gas each year and was scheduled to double that. Even a small leak could cause an environmental disaster so it wasn't "easy" to breech and it wasn't small explosives since it was measured on seismometers. It was estimated at several tons of explosives each in two places. Not exactly the sort of thing that a couple of terrorist Frogmen would do.
>
> But allow me to point out that that was a pipe inside a pipe inside a pipe. And it couldn't be laid by a ship since that is one of the busiest waterways in the world and traffic is entirely radar controlled. Therefore it was carried and positioned by a submarine. No doubt a USN attack submarine which would be able to stay invisible to detection in water that shallow.
>
> Now, can you guess what Russia is going to do since at the time while gas wasn't flowing actively the pipeline had to remain pressurized?
>

I do not know.

Later reports indicate explosions each of 700kg TNT
equivalent. I didn't find ready equivalents for modern
explosives although I did waste some time at it:

https://www.ripublication.com/ijaer18/ijaerv13n2_37.pdf

I pictured four young men ecstatic at the grant which
allowed them to spend a summer blowing up reinforced
concrete pillars. Science doesn't get better than that!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:51:07 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 3:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 12:31:35 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 9/28/2022 1:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 9/28/2022 10:50 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:42:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>>>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Andre Jute
> >>>>>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
> >>>>>> too many actors with both means and motivation.
> >>>>> There were THREE very large underwater explosions. There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without leaving traces all over the place. Andre points out to what occurs to losers in the Russian political atmosphere. Putin used to be the head of the KGB so he is well aware of what can and might be done. Especially now that his attack on the Ukraine has turned into losing the cream of his military might. Does anyone with a shred of intelligence believe that supplying nothing more than cannon fodder is going to change things?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, the only one with a motive and the capability was Biden and he told the entire world in a press conference that he intended to do just that.
> >>>>>
> >>>> It's not a technically daunting problem. No need for
> >>>> submarines or UDT or SBS commandos. As noted in a British
> >>>> paper yesterday the routes are well publicized. One need
> >>>> only pass a 'fishing' trawler across the path, drop a timed
> >>>> explosive and keep moving. 'Timed explosive' can be an hour
> >>>> or a day or a week.
> >>>
> >>> Undersea pipelines are triple protected - a pipe inside a pipe inside a pipe. This means that you have to place an explosive very large and directly in contact with the pipeline because they are protected again earthquakes and the very unlikely case of a ship sinking directly on top of them.
> >>>
> >> They're substantial heavy-wall steel pipe encased in
> >> concrete but a relatively small explosive device can crack
> >> them. Note the Swedish seismic data- not large at all.
> >
> > It turns out that sort of like you say it as only a single layer steel pipe. Or almost. It was a steel pipe covered AFTER welding with a concrete shell but more importantly it has a modern inner thick shell of a rubber-like self sealing material to prevent leaks from any natural source. It is the longest pipeline in the world and so the highest technology known had to be used to prevent even small leaks since it moves something like 33 Billion cubic meters of gas each year and was scheduled to double that. Even a small leak could cause an environmental disaster so it wasn't "easy" to breech and it wasn't small explosives since it was measured on seismometers. It was estimated at several tons of explosives each in two places. Not exactly the sort of thing that a couple of terrorist Frogmen would do.
> >
> > But allow me to point out that that was a pipe inside a pipe inside a pipe. And it couldn't be laid by a ship since that is one of the busiest waterways in the world and traffic is entirely radar controlled. Therefore it was carried and positioned by a submarine. No doubt a USN attack submarine which would be able to stay invisible to detection in water that shallow.
> >
> > Now, can you guess what Russia is going to do since at the time while gas wasn't flowing actively the pipeline had to remain pressurized?
> >
> I do not know.
>
> Later reports indicate explosions each of 700kg TNT
> equivalent. I didn't find ready equivalents for modern
> explosives although I did waste some time at it:
>
> https://www.ripublication.com/ijaer18/ijaerv13n2_37.pdf
>
> I pictured four young men ecstatic at the grant which
> allowed them to spend a summer blowing up reinforced
> concrete pillars. Science doesn't get better than that!
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
One of the British papers reported a source telling them that the explosives were probably arranged as three bombs of about a hundred pounds of C4 each per strand of the pipeline, in a particular pattern to ensure that the pipe's designed defences against earthquakes are overcome. That sounds like what Tom was telling you upthread. And I don't know for a fact either but a hundred pounds of C4 all by itself sounds like 700 pounds of dynamite, which is what TNT is. -- AJ

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 9/28/2022 12:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > Checking my Gmail around I see that Krygowski who has proven wrong on every single thing he has said in 20 years is presently pretending that his God - Biden - would NEVER say directly that he would commit an international act of terrorism after saying he would.
> >
> > https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-what-happened-nord-stream-pipeline?yptr=yahoo
> :-) Ah, Tom! I suspected you got your delusion from Tucker Carlson,
> World's Whackiest News Propagandist!
>
> Now to prove your point, please highlight the _quotation_ of President
> Biden saying he would blow up that pipeline. Note, I'm not interested in
> Tucker Carlson's pretending or rephrasing, because Carlson is as crazy
> as you. I'm interested in a direct Biden quotation.
>
> Here's a hint to help your dismal reading comprehension: When Carlson
> ends a sentence with a question mark, as in "So once again, did the
> Biden administration really do this?" it is NOT a statement of fact.
> It's a hypothetical and inflammatory question intended to suck in idiot
> right wing "true believers." And predictably, it worked on you.
>
> Oddly, other people don't seem to blame Biden.
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-lawmakers-break-europes-silence-105844953.html
> They tend to suspect Russia. But Carlson and his disciples are willing
> to attack Biden in order to protect their true love, Putin.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>
You're crazier than a rat in the final stages of syphilis, Franki-boy. There's film of Biden threatening the gas pipelines. Here are Biden's actual words:

......
PRESIDENT BIDEN: If Russia invades that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again. Then there will be, there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.

REPORTER: But how will you. How will you do that, exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany's control?

BIDEN: We will. I promise you, we'll be able to do it.
....
If you think you can blow smoke over Biden's explicit threat, "professor" Frank Krygowski, you're crazier than two tomcats in a paper bag. Except you don't have the brains of even one tomcat.
>
This message is given on his own authority by Andre Jute in the interest of sanity in American cycling..
>

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:31:37 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 9/28/2022 1:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:56:24 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 9/28/2022 10:50 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:42:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>>> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
>>>>> too many actors with both means and motivation.
>>>> There were THREE very large underwater explosions. There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without leaving traces all over the place. Andre points out to what occurs to losers in the Russian political atmosphere. Putin used to be the head of the KGB so he is well aware of what can and might be done. Especially now that his attack on the Ukraine has turned into losing the cream of his military might. Does anyone with a shred of intelligence believe that supplying nothing more than cannon fodder is going to change things?
>>>>
>>>> No, the only one with a motive and the capability was Biden and he told the entire world in a press conference that he intended to do just that.
>>>>
>>> It's not a technically daunting problem. No need for
>>> submarines or UDT or SBS commandos. As noted in a British
>>> paper yesterday the routes are well publicized. One need
>>> only pass a 'fishing' trawler across the path, drop a timed
>>> explosive and keep moving. 'Timed explosive' can be an hour
>>> or a day or a week.
>>
>> Undersea pipelines are triple protected - a pipe inside a pipe inside a pipe. This means that you have to place an explosive very large and directly in contact with the pipeline because they are protected again earthquakes and the very unlikely case of a ship sinking directly on top of them.
>>
>
>They're substantial heavy-wall steel pipe encased in
>concrete but a relatively small explosive device can crack
>them. Note the Swedish seismic data- not large at all.

I believe that some "modern" pipelines are cathodic protected rather
then concrete coated but regardless, the problem is locating the
damned things which takes rather special instruments to do.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003682X07000916
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=8819917

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Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:50:08 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:42:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 9/28/2022 9:25 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 2:05:57 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> >> https://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2022/09/27/the-world-wants-no-part-of-woke-but-its-glad-we-do-n2613688
>> >>
>> >> It wasn't "Americans" who screwed the United States with "woke" ideology, Mr Hanson. It was the Democrat Party pandering to its insane left wing, and its intimidated so-called "centre" or, even more risibly, "moderates" doing absolutely nothing about it for fear of being cancelled.
>> >>
>> >> There are too many Americans to be lumped together. The good people need to identify the America-haters and put them down with utmost brutality as an existential threat, for reasons Victor Davis Hanson has pithily summarised in a very short article.
>> >>
>> >> Andre Jute
>> >> Credit where it is due, and specific blame where compromise is no longer possible.
>> >
>> > The Slime Stream Media is crying Climate Change but blaming Putin for the destruction of the Russian-European natural gas pipeline. Methane is one of the most powerful greenhouse gases and Biden stated that IF Russia invaded the Ukraine he would blow the pipeline up. And you certainly can't blame Russia - a country teetering on Bankruptcy for destroying a major source of hard income.
>> >
>> > So again the left is exposed for their utter hypocrisy. They couldn't care less about climate change - that is for the little man that they convinced it was real. Well, Methane (natural gas) is real and the destruction of that pipeline was a greater blow to the environment than the 1960's to 980's car culture.
>> >
>> The pipeline attack is like an Agatha Christie piece- way
>> too many actors with both means and motivation.
>There were THREE very large underwater explosions. There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without leaving traces all over the place. Andre points out to what occurs to losers in the Russian political atmosphere. Putin used to be the head of the KGB so he is well aware of what can and might be done. Especially now that his attack on the Ukraine has turned into losing the cream of his military might. Does anyone with a shred of intelligence believe that supplying nothing more than cannon fodder is going to change things?
>
>No, the only one with a motive and the capability was Biden and he told the entire world in a press conference that he intended to do just that.

"There are not a lot of people that can accomplish that without
leaving traces all over the place"???

A rather remarkable statement! Now tell us Tommy, just what traces do
you believe someone leaves out there on the surface of the ocean?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 08:05:57 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I am absolutely certain that Putin is not all there. Were he in the least interested in his own people he would not be wasting what little wealth Russia has in fighting what has turned out to be a losing war. But I'm sure that will not be long in ending since the rich of Russia are NOT going to stand bravely at attention and allow their youth - the flower of a generation - be drafted and essentially sent off to their doom.

Wrong. The Russian oligarchy owes its wealth to Putin. If Putin is
deposed, they will surely follow.

Putin just called up 300,000 reservists and retired soldiers. 194,000
just escaped to Estonia and Kazakhstan. Probably more to follow. I
don't think they can do much with what's left:
<https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-estonia-kazakhstan-d851fdd9e99bedbf4e01b98efd18d14b>
<https://www.post-gazette.com/news/world/2022/09/27/russian-military-call-ups-putin-reserves-ukraine-war-update-flight-kazahkstan-georgia/stories/202209270087>
Read about what happened with the Russian reservists when they were
activated to fight in Afghanistan in 1979.
<https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB57/soviet.html>

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On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:57:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-what-happened-nord-stream-pipeline?yptr=yahoo

Yech. Shopping for a conspiracy or a culprit? Start here:

"Baltic Pipe gas pipeline officially opens to reduce dependency on
Russia" (Sept 28, 2022)
<https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/baltic-pipe-gas-pipeline-officially-opens-to-reduce-dependency-on-russia/2696408>
"The project was initiated by Poland in 2016 following the Crimean
War, long before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February this year,
which triggered an energy crisis."

Poland just might end up saving Europe.

ENTSOG natural gas network map (2021):
<https://www.entsog.eu/sites/default/files/2021-11/ENTSOG_CAP_2021_A0_1189x841_FULL_066_FLAT.pdf>

ENTSOG natural gas system development map"
<https://www.entsog.eu/sites/default/files/2022-01/ENTSOG_GIE_SYSDEV_2020-2021.pdf>

The Baltic Pipeline is show on the maps as a dashed line.

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