On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 2:51:23 AM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 11:23:05 AM UTC, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 8:03:10 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:41:22 AM UTC, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 7:24:15 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 11:16:08 PM UTC, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 5:52:38 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 10:19:29 PM UTC, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:31:22 PM UTC-5, pH wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-21, Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I've been saying this since I was a precocious teenager with a a column in the largest newspaper in the country, over 60 years ago.. It's more than a decade since, since right here on RBT, I explained why environmentalism is the religion of genocidal maniacs whose brains, if they ever had any, have been eaten by moral syphilis. Paul Driessen does an excellent jon of listing so many cockamamie policies pushed by these mindless clowns that it reads like parody, something found on a library shelf next to Dean Swift's Gulliver's Travels.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > COP-27 Financiers and Merchants Of Death
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2022/11/21/cop-27-financiers-and-merchants-of-death-n2616185
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Enjoy!*
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Andre Jute
> > > > > > > > > > *For the mental and morally stunted, that's sarcasm.
> > > > > > > > > Tried to open this and got a "link not found" message. Ah well.
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the attempt to share info.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pureheart in Aptos, CA
> > > > > > > > All you missed was more right-wing disinformation. IOW, nothing new.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Really? Provide evidence to counter a single point Mr Driessen made.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You see, stupid- if the policies of the renewable energy hadn't been delayed by dullard Luddites like you, those mines would ave been closed down already, and these towns would be saved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Nah, all I see among your slow-juvie debating tricks and ad hominem is "if..maybe...otherwise..." conditionals,
> > > > And of course you didn't read the link. So all we see is another useless bloviating asshole thinking he's clever, when he's just a useless bloviating asshole.
> > > > > all based on the proven-false assumption that sustainable energy works. What makes you look especially stupid is that you're assuming that the sustainable energy fallacy is valid
> > > > Considering I've never made any statement one way or the other - gee, andre building another strawman? That one's going to go over just as well as the Stieg Larsson hit job you ruined your Carrer with.
> > > > > within an example where the German government, and other governments who once believed in that foolish dream, have already admitted they fucked up -- and started digging for coal again, and putting up nuclear power stations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Unsigned because I don't like stupid jerk-offs, and Flunky is an especially stupid jerk-off.
> > > > > >
> > > > > PS And didn't you tell us you were some kind of tester (at 60! Jesus -- what sort of a management didn't fire you at 35 for failing to advance?) of electrical equipment?
> > > > Nope. I never made that claim. That's you swallowing tommy's spunk once again. I''ve repeatedly stated what I do for a living, it's very clearly something neither you nor tommy (_especially_ tommy) have any capability of understanding. Suffice it to say - despite what your ignorant prejudices lead you to believe - Renewable energy isn't in my best interest.
> > > >
> > > > > If that is right
> > > >
> > > > Well it isn't, so once again you're just proving how much of a useless bloviating asshole you are.
> > > >
> > > > ,> you're also open to a charge of hypocrisy because any house-wiring electrician can tell you why sustainable power is technically a wet dream for stupid, obsessed people,
> > > >
> > > > Let me guess, these house-wiring electricians who supposedly think renewable energy isn't viable would be the same people who tommy says install "light lines" right?
> > > > > so you can't even claim ignorance as an excuse unless at the same time you confess to incompetence.
> > > > You're right, I can claim neither ignorance nor incompetence. You, otoh.....fucking unless
> > > >
> > > This is all ad hominem, denials without facts, and zero rational argument.
> > > It follows that you give no answers because you have none. Par for the course.
> > Hear now this, O foolish people, without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not - Jeremiah 5:21
> >
> > You were given to opportunity to read the argument, which you refused to do. Just for the record, that's called "willfull ignorance" you half-witted twat.
> > > The Left wants to shut up those of us with the brains to think for ourselves -- because they know they have no rational answers, just their twee "feelings", which they call "the science".
> > Of course we shouldn't be surprised that you have no understanding of what real science is - willfully or otherwise. The historical record of scientific achievements is lead overwhelmingly by progressives who ignored the religio-fascists and pressed on with free-thought. Idiots like you would like nothing better than to force the populace into a theocracy.
> > > That hoary old joke doesn't wash with me, sonny,
> > The only old joke here is you.
> > > and shouldn't wash even with an ignorant, semi-literate monkey like you either unless the vast empty space inside your head is full of the swirling mists of unfullfilled power-lust.. -- Unsigned
> > Get back to us on the subject of literacy when you can get published somewhere else besides an unmoderated internet forum, you useless old socialist hypocrite. Being in the oil and gas industry I understand better than anyone the technological possibilities of renewable energy. You're simply a troll with a decades-old misconception you desperately cling to because you know now you chose poorly. The sooner we're rid of old rusted anchors like you, the sooner we can get on with building a better life for future generations.
> >
> Still just bald assertions without the slightest attempt at providing any facts.

I've posted facts with quotes from individuals who directly refute your attempted challange. You refuse to read them, instead stooping to tommy's level and lying that the evidence wasn't posted. Contrast that with your "facts" - a rightwing op ed with no citations from a right wing website with a penchant for publishing that screeching cunt ann coulter. Your reading comprehension as bad as tommy's. His stupidity has not only rubbed off on you, it's left a permanent magatard tattoo that you've deluded yourself into thinking is a badge of honor.

> You're a shortass blusterer who hurts now because you thought (or was told by clowns who ran away long
> since when they set you on me without warning you that I'm Teflon or that I hit back) that I was an easy
> target, and you'll continue hurting until you implode or run away.

You'll squirrel away from this thread long before me you bloviating old fool. You always do. The fact that you slunk away from discussing the actual issue regarding the coal company vs the town like an embarrassed puppy that piddled on it's masters shoes is proof that you not only do not have an argument, you have no capacity to present one. Keep trying to hit me back with this "famous" kissinger debating style you keep bragging about. BTW - please let me know when you start.

> I don't care which; the day after it happens, I'll have to ask your name.

Still haven't figured out how to do your own homework.....I guess living off that socialist dole has left you rather intellectually impotent.

> I do adversarial polemics for a rich living

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 3:32:04 AM UTC-5, Andre Jute sharted:
>
>
> >
> You may be interests in a discussion in Schiphol airport

oh great, more irrelevant fiction from RBTs biggest failure.

< snipped irrelevant fiction>

> Later, on the plane, he told me: The problem with electricity from the tides is that the number of bays in which the geography and geology are suitable for a cost-effective scheme are fewer than you would imagine. But one day electricity from anything but nuclear and natural gas will be so expensive...
> That must be fifty years ago, and though electricity is probably now, temporarily, more expensive relative to c1970, it doesn't seem to me that we're anywhere near a time when bays that were then marginal for building such expensive plants (especially the ones with long feeder lines to the nearest city) will become viable.

HAH!!! sure skippy, and anecdote from 50 YEARS AGO (by arguably the biggest liar in this forum) is proof that tide energy isn't viable today. If we left idiots like you in charge there would be buggy whip factories supported by tax-payers.

> >
> Andre Jute
> The answer always was, and always will be, nuclear energy.

This is the only rational thing you've posted in the past decade.

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:00:09 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:33:03 PM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 17:57:50 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> > <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks, Jeff. Actually the reports of your linked test site are all satisfactory for TLS 1.2, my OS and browsers in use. I don't have any trouble with Townhall.
> > You're welcome. Things at townhall.com are less strange today.
> > I had previously checked SSL/TLS using:
> > <https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.townhall.com>
> > I found that (104.18.12.37) supported only TLS 1.3 while their other
> > IP addresses supported TLS 1.2 and 1.3. If you had connected to
> > townhall.com, and their load balancing system had delivered you to
> > 104.18.12.37, you would have received an error message because it only
> > supports TLS 1.3 and your ancient browser probably only supports TLS
> > 1.2. I'm not sure about your browser because you provided no test
> > results and no detail on your browser or MacOS version. The oddity at
> > the townhall.com end seems to have been resolved this morning. All
> > their IP's now support both TLS 1.2 and 1.3. Problem solved.
> >
> > pH: Could you recheck if you can now get to townhall.com without an
> > error message?
> >
> > Meanwhile, TLS 1.2 browser support is all that is needed.
> > "Guide to TLS Standards Compliance"
> > <https://www.ssl.com/guide/tls-standards-compliance/>
> > "Servers that support citizen or business-facing applications shall be
> > configured to negotiate TLS 1.2 and should be configured to negotiate
> > TLS 1.3."
> > --
> > Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> > PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> > Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >
> I must say, there seems to be a substantial minority of consumer-facing netsite-makers who clearly ignore the "Guide to TLS Standards Compliance" to which you link. That stepladder of TLS versions also explains why the iPad on my treadmill (third version, older than the Mac) will not open so many netsites.
>
> However, it is hugely offensive and at least relatively irritating for the OS (or Chrome, or whatever is behind the OSs like Safari and Opera) to hold up the flow of information until you put in a code, after which they show you the page anyway. Really wretched hall monitor behaviour by the programmers. If they worked for me, they'd be treated to slips on the day I discovered this BS. -- AJ
> >
Lieberrmann cannot help himself from showing his utter lack of understanding of the English Language. Exactly what does SSL and TLS (encryption standards for transference of data on the Internet) have to do with the cherry picking of data that Google does? Because you can find a hundred references on Google for "97% of ALL scientists believe in global warming" doesn't mean a thing. Climatologists as a group deny its presence. China "taking steps to end their use of fossil fuels" is sheer BS. They are already constructing a dozen new coal fired electrical generators of massive proportions and if they can limit the US growth that is helpful for their world position.

Liebermann being a fool doesn't change the world in the least.

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:32:04 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 12:37:33 AM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:24:15 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 11:16:08 PM UTC, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 5:52:38 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 10:19:29 PM UTC, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 4:31:22 PM UTC-5, pH wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2022-11-21, Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I've been saying this since I was a precocious teenager with a a column in the largest newspaper in the country, over 60 years ago. It's more than a decade since, since right here on RBT, I explained why environmentalism is the religion of genocidal maniacs whose brains, if they ever had any, have been eaten by moral syphilis. Paul Driessen does an excellent jon of listing so many cockamamie policies pushed by these mindless clowns that it reads like parody, something found on a library shelf next to Dean Swift's Gulliver's Travels.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > COP-27 Financiers and Merchants Of Death
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2022/11/21/cop-27-financiers-and-merchants-of-death-n2616185
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Enjoy!*
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andre Jute
> > > > > > > > *For the mental and morally stunted, that's sarcasm.
> > > > > > > Tried to open this and got a "link not found" message. Ah well.
> > > > > > > Thanks for the attempt to share info.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pureheart in Aptos, CA
> > > > > > All you missed was more right-wing disinformation. IOW, nothing new.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Really? Provide evidence to counter a single point Mr Driessen made.
> > > >
> > > > You see, stupid- if the policies of the renewable energy hadn't been delayed by dullard Luddites like you, those mines would ave been closed down already, and these towns would be saved.
> > > >
> > > Nah, all I see among your slow-juvie debating tricks and ad hominem is "if..maybe...otherwise..." conditionals, all based on the proven-false assumption that sustainable energy works. What makes you look especially stupid is that you're assuming that the sustainable energy fallacy is valid within an example where the German government, and other governments who once believed in that foolish dream, have already admitted they fucked up -- and started digging for coal again, and putting up nuclear power stations.
> > > >
> > > Unsigned because I don't like stupid jerk-offs, and Flunky is an especially stupid jerk-off.
> > > >
> > > PS And didn't you tell us you were some kind of tester (at 60! Jesus -- what sort of a management didn't fire you at 35 for failing to advance?) of electrical equipment? If that is right, you're also open to a charge of hypocrisy because any house-wiring electrician can tell you why sustainable power is technically a wet dream for stupid, obsessed people, so you can't even claim ignorance as an excuse unless at the same time you confess to incompetence.
> > > >
> > Green Energy outside of dams breeding hydraulic energy do not exist. This is nothing more than Flunky showing his ignorance again. The return energy from both the wind and solar farms almost never return their energy expended to build and install them. THERE ARE specific cases where they make sense but they are rare and only over very small areas. The pass from LA/Riverside to Pheonix has a fairly constant wind of the correct speed that allows a small profit to be made.
> >
> > Ignorant fools like Krygowski who pretends to have been a mechanical engineer but plainly couldn't design a car jack and Flunky can't even imagine the strain on the pilar of a 270 foot windmill in a 25 knot wind? These things can't even be stopped and they turn them off of the wind. So WHAT in the hell is the load on the pilar in a 45 or 50 knot wind that occurs several times a year in the Altamont Pass which is the California showcase of "green energy". I'd like to take you for a bike ride through this so-called Wind Farm and show you that more than HALF of these windmills are blocked from the wind by the surrounding hills.
> >
> > Solar cells are so inefficient that it is close to impossible to believe that there is EVER any manner in which they could EVER pay their own manufacturing costs. They are paying your electric bills to put solar cells on your roof - gee, they are really a good deal right? The Government actually pays for 90% of their cost and then pays PG&E if you are using solar cells and tell you that these things are paying your bills. Under NO atmosphere in direct sunlight they claim that the VERY best silicon cells make 47% efficiency. Most are chemical cells of less than 20% conversion efficiency.
> >
> > And remember, this is at 90 degrees sun to cell. This occurs only between about 1 hour before and 1 hour after high local noon. This doesn't even count the latitude changes of the seasonal sun.
> >
> > Freaks and fools that love to say they have answers when they don't are so common that they ought to be exposed.
> >
> > And now the leftists are so freaked out by the failure of wind and solar that they will lie about it. "Renewable Energy PG&E delivers some of the nation’s cleanest energy. Today, 33 percent of our delivered electricity comes from renewable sources, including solar, wind, geothermal, small hydroelectric and various forms of bioenergy."
> >
> > See - they include "small hydro-electric" without defining what that means. Geothermal is EXTREMELY rare but California has a couple of sites. Can you make energy that way? Sure, BUT IT IS ALSO MAKING CO2 since it is volcanic in origin. So how can you call that "renewable green energy"? Without a wind blowing the levels of CO2. Perhaps Flunky has a great explanation of what "bioenergy" is. The fact is that the TOTAL energy supplied by solar and wind in California is 2%. So why the lies?
> >
> I'd like to go for that ride through the valleys full of useless wind "electricity non-generators" <TM> with you, Tom. But I fear I'll hold you up with frequent stops for photographs for evidence.
> >
> Here these ugly towers, which indiscriminately kill birds, some of them like the redlegs chuffs already endangered, are a boondoggle for farmers, who put them on non-arable land without consideration of optimal siting for catching the wind. They are -- at least in West Cork where there is strong resistance to spoiling our beautiful (if expensive) scenery -- they're more for show of willingness by the government -- with EU money, of course -- than for generating electricity.
> >
> You may be interests in a discussion in Schiphol airport, in The Netherlands, between a large-scale electro-hydraulics engineer and me, where we both stood looking intensely at the fly engraved in the bowl of the urinal.
> Me: If you lay a hand on me, I'll maim you for life.
> Him: I'm not queer. I design electricity generating stations in bays with significant tidal rise and fall.
> Me: Aha! I'm currently into the aerodynamics of a large nostalgia-style car I'm designing for Panther.
> Him: See, if you direct the steam of urine directly on the fly, the bowl is shaped to direct the urine around under the lip.
> Me: No splashes on the floor? In a place like this, thousands of people passing through every day, that must be real money saved in cleaning over a year.
> Him: Definitely worth something. Brilliant design. Where are you going?
> Me: Australia.
> Him: Me too. Shall we sit together on the plane?
> Me: I'd like that.
> Later, on the plane, he told me: The problem with electricity from the tides is that the number of bays in which the geography and geology are suitable for a cost-effective scheme are fewer than you would imagine. But one day electricity from anything but nuclear and natural gas will be so expensive...
> That must be fifty years ago, and though electricity is probably now, temporarily, more expensive relative to c1970, it doesn't seem to me that we're anywhere near a time when bays that were then marginal for building such expensive plants (especially the ones with long feeder lines to the nearest city) will become viable.
> >
> Andre Jute
> The answer always was, and always will be, nuclear energy.
> >
The forces on these windmills is staggering for those that operate. So all of them have to be anchored either with HUGE surface areas of concrete or a buried anchor going down a hundred or so feel. The huge blocks of concrete bleed off immense amounts of CO2 - the very thing they are supposed to prevent.

On 2022-11-21, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 21:31:20 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-11-21, Andre Jute <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I've been saying this since I was a precocious teenager with a a column in the largest newspaper in the country, over 60 years ago. It's more than a decade since, since right here on RBT, I explained why environmentalism is the religion of genocidal maniacs whose brains, if they ever had any, have been eaten by moral syphilis. Paul Driessen does an excellent jon of listing so many cockamamie policies pushed by these mindless clowns that it reads like parody, something found on a library shelf next to Dean Swift's Gulliver's Travels.
>>>
>>> COP-27 Financiers and Merchants Of Death
>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2022/11/21/cop-27-financiers-and-merchants-of-death-n2616185
>>> Enjoy!*
>>> Andre Jute
>>> *For the mental and morally stunted, that's sarcasm.
>
>>Tried to open this and got a "link not found" message. Ah well.
>>Thanks for the attempt to share info.
>>
>>Pureheart in Aptos, CA
>
> The link opened normally for me. Try going to the authors site at:
><https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/>
> The most recent article is the one you want.
>
>

Thanks, Jeff. K'pla! ("Success" in Klingon as we like to say in our
family.) All points of view are good to read.

pH in Aptos

On Thu, 24 Nov 2022 01:37:41 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:

>On 2022-11-21, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 21:31:20 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2022-11-21, Andre Jute <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I've been saying this since I was a precocious teenager with a a column in the largest newspaper in the country, over 60 years ago. It's more than a decade since, since right here on RBT, I explained why environmentalism is the religion of genocidal maniacs whose brains, if they ever had any, have been eaten by moral syphilis. Paul Driessen does an excellent jon of listing so many cockamamie policies pushed by these mindless clowns that it reads like parody, something found on a library shelf next to Dean Swift's Gulliver's Travels.
>>>>
>>>> COP-27 Financiers and Merchants Of Death
>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2022/11/21/cop-27-financiers-and-merchants-of-death-n2616185
>>>> Enjoy!*
>>>> Andre Jute
>>>> *For the mental and morally stunted, that's sarcasm.
>>
>>>Tried to open this and got a "link not found" message. Ah well.
>>>Thanks for the attempt to share info.
>>>
>>>Pureheart in Aptos, CA
>>
>> The link opened normally for me. Try going to the authors site at:
>><https://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/>
>> The most recent article is the one you want.

>Thanks, Jeff. K'pla! ("Success" in Klingon as we like to say in our
>family.) All points of view are good to read.
>pH in Aptos

Y'er welcome. In case you missed it, your success was not due to
anything that you did. What happened was that townhall.com had two IP
addresses and servers configured for their web site as part of a load
balancing scheme. If the DNS redirector randomly pointed you to the
wrong server, you received an error message. If the DNS redirector
rolled the dice and pointed you to the other IP address, it would
work. When I checked the next morning, both servers were now
configured correctly and identically and both worked.

Sorry, but I don't have a believable conspiracy theory as to why the
misconfigured server selected your computah as its target.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558