Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.

Andre Jute
The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
>

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 8:52:52 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
>
> Andre Jute
> The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> >
I spent the morning investigating a study on the mRNA vaccines. There are four extremely common corona viruses. They cause about 20% of all colds. And guess what? If you had a cold caused by one of these corona viruses within the last year or so, you have natural cross immunity to covid-19. This immunity is so strong and it would mean the end of covid-19 if everyone were to be infected with one of these four corona viruses.

This was KNOWN by the companies making vaccines. There is yet another interesting thing - the nRNA vaccines attempted to give you immunity to the spike protein which is the fastest mutating part of the virus. Natural immunities normally give you immunity to the proteins in the body of the virus which very rarely change. And which are very much the same from corona virus to corona virus. Which is why you can gain cross immunity.

So Vaccine companies purposely made vaccines dependent on the most rapidly mutating part of the virus (the spike protein) so that they could continue to make "boosters" into infinity and beyond. Also one of the rare but very serious side effects of the mRNA viruses is the vaccine appearing not as RNA but into the DNA of the liver and generating the poisonous spike protein with the side effect of death.

So, you have to ask, WHY haven't vaccine companies ever releases a vaccine against this version of the common cold? Maybe no one would be interested in the possibility of serious side effects for something that is merely uncomfortable as a common cold? OK, but they know perfectly well how to put a droplet containing any of the common four corona viruses into your nose which is the normal path of infection hence no serious side effect, give you a 2 week cold from which you have almost total immunity from covid-19.

Fauci has become a multimillionaire from "gifts" from the vaccine companies.. Fauci BRAGGED that we should treat American exactly like the Chinese are treating their own people - complete and total lockdown despite the fact that they only have ONE reported covid-19 death. People in China are arrested and put into concentration camps if they so much as dare to go out to even buy food. The result is more deaths from starvation than covid-19.

Isn't it interesting the things you discover when you don't have to see hundreds of postings generated by the Stupid Five?

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
>
> Andre Jute
> The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> >

I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:30:06 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> > Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> > When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> > >
> I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.

I clean my bikes while listening to Gus Vizier accordion music.

On 11/30/2022 12:29 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>>>
> I spent the morning investigating a study on the mRNA vaccines.

And we're sure your knowledge, logic and skill are ten times as good as
the PhDs at Yale who have devoted their entire careers to these sorts of
questions.

https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/study-finds-large-gap-in-excess-deaths-along-partisan-lines-after-covid-19-vaccines-introduced/

Looks like a lot of right-wingers are up for Darwin Awards.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 11/30/2022 12:30 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
>> Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
>> When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
>>
>> Andre Jute
>> The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
>>>
>
> I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.

Try listening to Natalie Haas, with Alasdair Fraser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGEj-Nsdt4U

with her sister Brittany:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_ZbhmbdcMA

or with others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ksuuLOuxBo

I have a good friend with whom I play cello. It's far from a mournful
instrument.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:30:06 PM UTC, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> > Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> > When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> > >
> I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.
>
Horses for courses, Lou. -- AJ
>

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:37:48 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:30:06 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT.. I chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> > > When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> > > >
> > I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.
> I clean my bikes while listening to Gus Vizier accordion music.
>
LOL. Ridealittle will be here shortly to give Tom the Troll of the Month Award. -- AJ

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:57:04 PM UTC, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:37:48 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:30:06 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> > > > When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
> > > >
> > > > Andre Jute
> > > > The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> > > > >
> > > I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.
> > I clean my bikes while listening to Gus Vizier accordion music.
> >
> LOL. Ridealittle will be here shortly to give Tom the Troll of the Month Award. -- AJ
>
PS
>
My Swiss banker was afflicted with a wife who played the accordion. I said to him one day, "Werner, you're a rich man. You don't have to do it yourself. You can hire someone to kill her."
>
And he said, after pouring more wine (from a vineyard owned by my family), "Don't think I haven't thought of it."
>
AJ
>

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:05:04 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:57:04 PM UTC, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:37:48 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:30:06 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > > Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> > > > > When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andre Jute
> > > > > The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> > > > > >
> > > > I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.
> > > I clean my bikes while listening to Gus Vizier accordion music.
> > >
> > LOL. Ridealittle will be here shortly to give Tom the Troll of the Month Award. -- AJ
> >
> PS
> >
> My Swiss banker was afflicted with a wife who played the accordion. I said to him one day, "Werner, you're a rich man. You don't have to do it yourself. You can hire someone to kill her."
> >
> And he said, after pouring more wine (from a vineyard owned by my family), "Don't think I haven't thought of it."
> >
> AJ
> >
My grandfather and cousins played the accordion so I was used to it. Not to mention, it was played in many Parisian cafe's as "live" music though judging from most of them, it was hardly live.

Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
>> Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I
>> chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in
>> my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I
>> slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made
>> urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black
>> Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach
>> cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
>> When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
>>
>> Andre Jute
>> The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
>>>
>
> I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to
> Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many
> depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.
>
This club run (gravel) due to making choices ie shared paths so dog walkers
but dry didn’t need to clean the bike drive chain was clean some mud on
frame but nothing major!

Definitely take that as a win!

Roger Merriman

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 10:47:46 PM UTC+1, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I
> >> chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in
> >> my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I
> >> slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made
> >> urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black
> >> Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach
> >> cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> >> When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
> >>
> >> Andre Jute
> >> The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> >>>
> >
> > I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to
> > Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many
> > depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.
> >
> This club run (gravel) due to making choices ie shared paths so dog walkers
> but dry didn’t need to clean the bike drive chain was clean some mud on
> frame but nothing major!
>
> Definitely take that as a win!
>
> Roger Merriman

Every off road ride this time of the year after which I don’t have to clean my crossbike is a win. Tomorrow’s ride will be such a ride after a couple of days of dry North East winds. Beat the US at soccer also tonight, life is good ;-)

Lou

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:09:40 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 10:47:46 PM UTC+1, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> > >> Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I
> > >> chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in
> > >> my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I
> > >> slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made
> > >> urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black
> > >> Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach
> > >> cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> > >> When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
> > >>
> > >> Andre Jute
> > >> The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> > >>>
> > >
> > > I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to
> > > Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many
> > > depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.
> > >
> > This club run (gravel) due to making choices ie shared paths so dog walkers
> > but dry didn’t need to clean the bike drive chain was clean some mud on
> > frame but nothing major!
> >
> > Definitely take that as a win!
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> Every off road ride this time of the year after which I don’t have to clean my crossbike is a win. Tomorrow’s ride will be such a ride after a couple of days of dry North East winds. Beat the US at soccer also tonight, life is good ;-)
>
> Lou
Let's see you beat the US at baseball, basketball or hockey. Americans aren't generally into hitting their heads against things like a ball.

Have a good ride while we're having rain sometimes heavy. It was misting heavy so I drove up to the sandwich shop and between the car and the door of the shop I could have been knocked unconscious by huge raindrops.

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 11:30:02 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:09:40 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 10:47:46 PM UTC+1, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 5:52:52 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > >> Today I had time to either clean my bike or read the nastiness on RBT. I
> > > >> chose instead to paint a square from each of the sixty or so pigments in
> > > >> my master studio box of watercolours. I played Bach cello music while I
> > > >> slogged a third of the way through this necessary repetitive task (made
> > > >> urgent because more paints are arriving that I bought on the Black
> > > >> Friday sales), two more days to completion. Very relaxing, the Bach
> > > >> cellos, I mean, not repetitive but necessary tasks. Try it while cleaning your bike:
> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRX91S7SKIU
> > > >> When you finish cleaning your bike, you can come clean mine.
> > > >>
> > > >> Andre Jute
> > > >> The most productive managers have learned to delegate. -- Peter Drucker
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > > I rather clean two bikes, like last weekend, than listen 15 minutes to
> > > > Bach cello music. Cello’s should be banned, there are already too many
> > > > depressed people. Ymmv, as it does.
> > > >
> > > This club run (gravel) due to making choices ie shared paths so dog walkers
> > > but dry didn’t need to clean the bike drive chain was clean some mud on
> > > frame but nothing major!
> > >
> > > Definitely take that as a win!
> > >
> > > Roger Merriman
> > Every off road ride this time of the year after which I don’t have to clean my crossbike is a win. Tomorrow’s ride will be such a ride after a couple of days of dry North East winds. Beat the US at soccer also tonight, life is good ;-)
> >
> > Lou
> Let's see you beat the US at baseball, basketball or hockey. Americans aren't generally into hitting their heads against things like a ball.

Pff it was a joke idiot. You are right, American football and (ice) hockey are much better in hitting body parts. We kick your ass in hockey btw. and we are doing pretty good in sports for being a small country.

> Have a good ride while we're having rain sometimes heavy. It was misting heavy so I drove up to the sandwich shop and between the car and the door of the shop I could have been knocked unconscious by huge raindrops.

The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.

Lou

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
> The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
>
> Lou

Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.

Lou

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
> > The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
> >
> > Lou
> Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.
>
> Lou

For 2023 Shimano will only offer Dura Ace in Di2. I don't think that they will be very successful with that strategy and can expect a change back in 2025. I suspect that most people are like me and don't like having to plug their bikes in to go for a ride.

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:10:49 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
> > > The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.
> >
> > Lou
> For 2023 Shimano will only offer Dura Ace in Di2. I don't think that they will be very successful with that strategy and can expect a change back in 2025. I suspect that most people are like me and don't like having to plug their bikes in to go for a ride.

Most people that will buy 2023 12sp Dura Ace won’t have a problem with Di2, most of those people will demand Di2. Di2 is here to stay get used to it. Shimano 105 is already Di2 next year. Plug their bikes in to go for a ride? I charged that battery at the end of last season, februari 2022 when I overhauled that bike. It sat in my garage during the summer and I rode it for a month this season. I should have checked the battery: press shifter button and see if the led is green, green flashing, red flashing or red. In my case it was red. FD didn’t shift anymore, RD did still shift but I did put it in a comfortable gear and left it there. After 1 or 2 hours the battery was charged and it will be good for the rest of the off road season: end of februari. I think Shimano know what they are doing.

Lou

On 12/4/2022 11:45 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:10:49 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
>>>> The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>> Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.
>>>
>>> Lou
>> For 2023 Shimano will only offer Dura Ace in Di2. I don't think that they will be very successful with that strategy and can expect a change back in 2025. I suspect that most people are like me and don't like having to plug their bikes in to go for a ride.
>
> Most people that will buy 2023 12sp Dura Ace won’t have a problem with Di2, most of those people will demand Di2. Di2 is here to stay get used to it. Shimano 105 is already Di2 next year. Plug their bikes in to go for a ride? I charged that battery at the end of last season, februari 2022 when I overhauled that bike. It sat in my garage during the summer and I rode it for a month this season. I should have checked the battery: press shifter button and see if the led is green, green flashing, red flashing or red. In my case it was red. FD didn’t shift anymore, RD did still shift but I did put it in a comfortable gear and left it there.

I don't want to argue benefits vs. detriments of electronic shifting.
I'll just point out that your solution - put it in a good gear and leave
it there - works far better in the Netherlands than anywhere around here.

Well, except for perhaps some rail trails. Many of those are flat enough
to be ridden well enough on a one speed bike.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:16:48 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/4/2022 11:45 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:10:49 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
> >>>> The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lou
> >>> Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.
> >>>
> >>> Lou
> >> For 2023 Shimano will only offer Dura Ace in Di2. I don't think that they will be very successful with that strategy and can expect a change back in 2025. I suspect that most people are like me and don't like having to plug their bikes in to go for a ride.
> >
> > Most people that will buy 2023 12sp Dura Ace won’t have a problem with Di2, most of those people will demand Di2. Di2 is here to stay get used to it. Shimano 105 is already Di2 next year. Plug their bikes in to go for a ride? I charged that battery at the end of last season, februari 2022 when I overhauled that bike. It sat in my garage during the summer and I rode it for a month this season. I should have checked the battery: press shifter button and see if the led is green, green flashing, red flashing or red. In my case it was red. FD didn’t shift anymore, RD did still shift but I did put it in a comfortable gear and left it there.
> I don't want to argue benefits vs. detriments of electronic shifting.
> I'll just point out that your solution - put it in a good gear and leave
> it there - works far better in the Netherlands than anywhere around here.
>
> Well, except for perhaps some rail trails. Many of those are flat enough
> to be ridden well enough on a one speed bike.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

It was off road in the forest with short steeper sections. You have the same situation when a shift cable breaks. Improvise. My riding buddies asked ‘and now?’ Nothing, carry on.

Lou

On 12/4/2022 2:35 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:16:48 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to argue benefits vs. detriments of electronic shifting.
>> I'll just point out that your solution - put it in a good gear and leave
>> it there - works far better in the Netherlands than anywhere around here.
>>
>> Well, except for perhaps some rail trails. Many of those are flat enough
>> to be ridden well enough on a one speed bike.
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> It was off road in the forest with short steeper sections. You have the same situation when a shift cable breaks. Improvise.

True, and I've done that. After the second time it happened (admittedly,
in many years) I began leaving an extra 1" diameter loop of cable at the
rear derailleur. And I think there was one time I used that as intended
- that is, loosened the derailleur cable clamp screw, fed the extra
cable back through my shifter and knotted it to replace the cable's
button end.

Eventually I just started carrying an extra shift cable. As with
umbrellas preventing rain, I don't think I've broken a shift cable since.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:35:23 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:16:48 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 12/4/2022 11:45 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:10:49 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
> > >>>> The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Lou
> > >>> Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lou
> > >> For 2023 Shimano will only offer Dura Ace in Di2. I don't think that they will be very successful with that strategy and can expect a change back in 2025. I suspect that most people are like me and don't like having to plug their bikes in to go for a ride.
> > >
> > > Most people that will buy 2023 12sp Dura Ace won’t have a problem with Di2, most of those people will demand Di2. Di2 is here to stay get used to it. Shimano 105 is already Di2 next year. Plug their bikes in to go for a ride? I charged that battery at the end of last season, februari 2022 when I overhauled that bike. It sat in my garage during the summer and I rode it for a month this season. I should have checked the battery: press shifter button and see if the led is green, green flashing, red flashing or red. In my case it was red. FD didn’t shift anymore, RD did still shift but I did put it in a comfortable gear and left it there.
> > I don't want to argue benefits vs. detriments of electronic shifting.
> > I'll just point out that your solution - put it in a good gear and leave
> > it there - works far better in the Netherlands than anywhere around here.
> >
> > Well, except for perhaps some rail trails. Many of those are flat enough
> > to be ridden well enough on a one speed bike.
> >
> > --
> > - Frank Krygowski
> It was off road in the forest with short steeper sections. You have the same situation when a shift cable breaks. Improvise. My riding buddies asked ‘and now?’ Nothing, carry on.

If a shift cable breaks on the right side, you fall into the largest gear. What you can do it use the limit screw to get a little below that but not a whole lot. And I've never broken a shift cable except when I was installing them and overtightened the lock.

I still have the opinion that selling only Di2 will doom the Dura Ace group in rather short order. I've had Di2 on a half dozen bikes but I could never get used to plugging my bike in. Also of note - disk brakes are also getting more and more kick-back and the groups that were talking about having disk brakes only are still selling rim brakes. And more and more pros are complaining about disks saying just what I did - they are too sudden and violent

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:34:54 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:35:23 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:16:48 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 12/4/2022 11:45 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:10:49 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > >> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > >>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
> > > >>>> The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Lou
> > > >>> Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Lou
> > > >> For 2023 Shimano will only offer Dura Ace in Di2. I don't think that they will be very successful with that strategy and can expect a change back in 2025. I suspect that most people are like me and don't like having to plug their bikes in to go for a ride.
> > > >
> > > > Most people that will buy 2023 12sp Dura Ace won’t have a problem with Di2, most of those people will demand Di2. Di2 is here to stay get used to it. Shimano 105 is already Di2 next year. Plug their bikes in to go for a ride? I charged that battery at the end of last season, februari 2022 when I overhauled that bike. It sat in my garage during the summer and I rode it for a month this season. I should have checked the battery: press shifter button and see if the led is green, green flashing, red flashing or red. In my case it was red. FD didn’t shift anymore, RD did still shift but I did put it in a comfortable gear and left it there.
> > > I don't want to argue benefits vs. detriments of electronic shifting.
> > > I'll just point out that your solution - put it in a good gear and leave
> > > it there - works far better in the Netherlands than anywhere around here.
> > >
> > > Well, except for perhaps some rail trails. Many of those are flat enough
> > > to be ridden well enough on a one speed bike.
> > >
> > > --
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> > It was off road in the forest with short steeper sections. You have the same situation when a shift cable breaks. Improvise. My riding buddies asked ‘and now?’ Nothing, carry on.
> If a shift cable breaks on the right side, you fall into the largest gear.. What you can do it use the limit screw to get a little below that but not a whole lot. And I've never broken a shift cable except when I was installing them and overtightened the lock.
>
> I still have the opinion that selling only Di2 will doom the Dura Ace group in rather short order. I've had Di2 on a half dozen bikes but I could never get used to plugging my bike in. Also of note - disk brakes are also getting more and more kick-back and the groups that were talking about having disk brakes only are still selling rim brakes. And more and more pros are complaining about disks saying just what I did - they are too sudden and violent

You are entitled to your opinion but it will prove to be the wrong one. DA 2023 12 speed are selling like hot cakes and are out of stock since the introduction. People who are willing to spend 4000 plus euro are not going to mess with cables or adjustments. Most people even choose the option that includes the power meter. More and more pro's are complaining about disks? What pro's? You seem to be the only one that have trouble with the excellent modulation of disk brakes. If there is a brake combo that suffer from sudden braking it is rim brakes on CF rims.

Lou

On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 02:52:11 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:34:54 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:35:23 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:16:48 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > > On 12/4/2022 11:45 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:10:49 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > >> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > >>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
>> > > >>>> The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Lou
>> > > >>> Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Lou
>> > > >> For 2023 Shimano will only offer Dura Ace in Di2. I don't think that they will be very successful with that strategy and can expect a change back in 2025. I suspect that most people are like me and don't like having to plug their bikes in to go for a ride.
>> > > >
>> > > > Most people that will buy 2023 12sp Dura Ace won’t have a problem with Di2, most of those people will demand Di2. Di2 is here to stay get used to it. Shimano 105 is already Di2 next year. Plug their bikes in to go for a ride? I charged that battery at the end of last season, februari 2022 when I overhauled that bike. It sat in my garage during the summer and I rode it for a month this season. I should have checked the battery: press shifter button and see if the led is green, green flashing, red flashing or red. In my case it was red. FD didn’t shift anymore, RD did still shift but I did put it in a comfortable gear and left it there.
>> > > I don't want to argue benefits vs. detriments of electronic shifting.
>> > > I'll just point out that your solution - put it in a good gear and leave
>> > > it there - works far better in the Netherlands than anywhere around here.
>> > >
>> > > Well, except for perhaps some rail trails. Many of those are flat enough
>> > > to be ridden well enough on a one speed bike.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > - Frank Krygowski
>> > It was off road in the forest with short steeper sections. You have the same situation when a shift cable breaks. Improvise. My riding buddies asked ‘and now?’ Nothing, carry on.
>> If a shift cable breaks on the right side, you fall into the largest gear. What you can do it use the limit screw to get a little below that but not a whole lot. And I've never broken a shift cable except when I was installing them and overtightened the lock.
>>
>> I still have the opinion that selling only Di2 will doom the Dura Ace group in rather short order. I've had Di2 on a half dozen bikes but I could never get used to plugging my bike in. Also of note - disk brakes are also getting more and more kick-back and the groups that were talking about having disk brakes only are still selling rim brakes. And more and more pros are complaining about disks saying just what I did - they are too sudden and violent
>
>You are entitled to your opinion but it will prove to be the wrong one. DA 2023 12 speed are selling like hot cakes and are out of stock since the introduction. People who are willing to spend 4000 plus euro are not going to mess with cables or adjustments. Most people even choose the option that includes the power meter. More and more pro's are complaining about disks? What pro's? You seem to be the only one that have trouble with the excellent modulation of disk brakes. If there is a brake combo that suffer from sudden braking it is rim brakes on CF rims.
>
>Lou

The more things become electric/electronic, the more we depend on the
interconnected electric grid, making one of my major investments work
for me. It is, however, very vulnerable.

On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 07:34:18 -0500, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 02:52:11 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
><lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:34:54 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:35:23 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:16:48 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> > > On 12/4/2022 11:45 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> > > > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:10:49 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> > > >> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> > > >>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
>>> > > >>>> The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
>>> > > >>>>
>>> > > >>>> Lou
>>> > > >>> Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.
>>> > > >>>
>>> > > >>> Lou
>>> > > >> For 2023 Shimano will only offer Dura Ace in Di2. I don't think that they will be very successful with that strategy and can expect a change back in 2025. I suspect that most people are like me and don't like having to plug their bikes in to go for a ride.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Most people that will buy 2023 12sp Dura Ace won’t have a problem with Di2, most of those people will demand Di2. Di2 is here to stay get used to it. Shimano 105 is already Di2 next year. Plug their bikes in to go for a ride? I charged that battery at the end of last season, februari 2022 when I overhauled that bike. It sat in my garage during the summer and I rode it for a month this season. I should have checked the battery: press shifter button and see if the led is green, green flashing, red flashing or red. In my case it was red. FD didn’t shift anymore, RD did still shift but I did put it in a comfortable gear and left it there.
>>> > > I don't want to argue benefits vs. detriments of electronic shifting.
>>> > > I'll just point out that your solution - put it in a good gear and leave
>>> > > it there - works far better in the Netherlands than anywhere around here.
>>> > >
>>> > > Well, except for perhaps some rail trails. Many of those are flat enough
>>> > > to be ridden well enough on a one speed bike.
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > - Frank Krygowski
>>> > It was off road in the forest with short steeper sections. You have the same situation when a shift cable breaks. Improvise. My riding buddies asked ‘and now?’ Nothing, carry on.
>>> If a shift cable breaks on the right side, you fall into the largest gear. What you can do it use the limit screw to get a little below that but not a whole lot. And I've never broken a shift cable except when I was installing them and overtightened the lock.
>>>
>>> I still have the opinion that selling only Di2 will doom the Dura Ace group in rather short order. I've had Di2 on a half dozen bikes but I could never get used to plugging my bike in. Also of note - disk brakes are also getting more and more kick-back and the groups that were talking about having disk brakes only are still selling rim brakes. And more and more pros are complaining about disks saying just what I did - they are too sudden and violent
>>
>>You are entitled to your opinion but it will prove to be the wrong one. DA 2023 12 speed are selling like hot cakes and are out of stock since the introduction. People who are willing to spend 4000 plus euro are not going to mess with cables or adjustments. Most people even choose the option that includes the power meter. More and more pro's are complaining about disks? What pro's? You seem to be the only one that have trouble with the excellent modulation of disk brakes. If there is a brake combo that suffer from sudden braking it is rim brakes on CF rims.
>>
>>Lou
>
>The more things become electric/electronic, the more we depend on the
>interconnected electric grid, making one of my major investments work
>for me. It is, however, very vulnerable.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-carolina-power-outage-moore-county-police-investigation-crime-vandalism/

On 12/5/2022 6:36 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 07:34:18 -0500, Catrike Rider
> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 02:52:11 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:34:54 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:35:23 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:16:48 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/4/2022 11:45 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:10:49 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 5:20:45 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:57:47 PM UTC+1, Lou Holtman wrote:.
>>>>>>>>>> The conditions in the forest were excellent, almost no 'Schmutz' on by cross bike. Weather was typical, gloomy and around freezing. Dry though. We can't expect more this time of the year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lou
>>>>>>>>> Fun fact my Di2 battery died on me after 10km and 40+km to go for the first time I am using Di2. I must got sloppy. Fortunately I was in a decent gear and could finish the ride with no problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lou
>>>>>>>> For 2023 Shimano will only offer Dura Ace in Di2. I don't think that they will be very successful with that strategy and can expect a change back in 2025. I suspect that most people are like me and don't like having to plug their bikes in to go for a ride.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people that will buy 2023 12sp Dura Ace won’t have a problem with Di2, most of those people will demand Di2. Di2 is here to stay get used to it. Shimano 105 is already Di2 next year. Plug their bikes in to go for a ride? I charged that battery at the end of last season, februari 2022 when I overhauled that bike. It sat in my garage during the summer and I rode it for a month this season. I should have checked the battery: press shifter button and see if the led is green, green flashing, red flashing or red. In my case it was red. FD didn’t shift anymore, RD did still shift but I did put it in a comfortable gear and left it there.
>>>>>> I don't want to argue benefits vs. detriments of electronic shifting.
>>>>>> I'll just point out that your solution - put it in a good gear and leave
>>>>>> it there - works far better in the Netherlands than anywhere around here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, except for perhaps some rail trails. Many of those are flat enough
>>>>>> to be ridden well enough on a one speed bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>> It was off road in the forest with short steeper sections. You have the same situation when a shift cable breaks. Improvise. My riding buddies asked ‘and now?’ Nothing, carry on.
>>>> If a shift cable breaks on the right side, you fall into the largest gear. What you can do it use the limit screw to get a little below that but not a whole lot. And I've never broken a shift cable except when I was installing them and overtightened the lock.
>>>>
>>>> I still have the opinion that selling only Di2 will doom the Dura Ace group in rather short order. I've had Di2 on a half dozen bikes but I could never get used to plugging my bike in. Also of note - disk brakes are also getting more and more kick-back and the groups that were talking about having disk brakes only are still selling rim brakes. And more and more pros are complaining about disks saying just what I did - they are too sudden and violent
>>>
>>> You are entitled to your opinion but it will prove to be the wrong one. DA 2023 12 speed are selling like hot cakes and are out of stock since the introduction. People who are willing to spend 4000 plus euro are not going to mess with cables or adjustments. Most people even choose the option that includes the power meter. More and more pro's are complaining about disks? What pro's? You seem to be the only one that have trouble with the excellent modulation of disk brakes. If there is a brake combo that suffer from sudden braking it is rim brakes on CF rims.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> The more things become electric/electronic, the more we depend on the
>> interconnected electric grid, making one of my major investments work
>> for me. It is, however, very vulnerable.
>
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-carolina-power-outage-moore-county-police-investigation-crime-vandalism/
>

Not the only instance:
https://unresolved.me/metcalf

And others.
https://stopfossilfuels.org/electric-grid/shooting-transformers-disables-substations/

In military theory,'Once is an anomaly, twice is
coincidence, the third is enemy action'

These are 'test runs'. There will be more.

Substation transformers are not standardized, backup units
are few to none, delays for replacement can be months. A
concerted effort at multiple locations would be cataclysmic.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971