I am told that POS Liebermann has been exercising his usual racist bullshit.. He doesn't seem to know that the average working wage in Mexico is $10/hr or 200 Pesos/Hr.

Gee, I only have to talk to my neighbors to know that. Why is it that he doesn't.

He also believes that Mexicans can only work picking fruit and vegetables. I guess he knows this by going out into the central valley and actually talking to field workers to discover that it would be hard for an illegal to GET a job working in agriculture because these are practically owned by long term Mexican families, many of who commute between the US and Mexico depending on the picking seasons. Picking fruit and vegetables at the proper time isn't something that farmers know. The farmers know when these things are ABOUT ready and the field workers themselves know ripe from too ripe from not ripe enough. Also perennial crops need to be trimmed with a great deal of knowledge and authority. Old time farmers used to know all about this but modern farmers generally rely upon their field workers. If you had farmers in the family you'd know that;.

So the illegals coming over the border these days are not Mexicans and they are not working in fields but loading trucks and unloading them. Now in California they are driving trucks inside of the state lines but not outside since most states do not issue licenses to illegals. Illegals are cooking all of the food not just in Mexican restaurants but everything else as well from Chinese to Greek restaurants. Women and children are being sold off as slaves; prostitutes and the working capital for pedophiles. Democrats like Biden who was happy to say he took showers with his daughter shows you what people like Liebermann think like.

I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.

On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 15:07:30 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>I am told that POS Liebermann has been exercising his usual racist bullshit. He doesn't seem to know that the average working wage in Mexico is $10/hr or 200 Pesos/Hr.

You constantly lie and refuse to provide your sources of
misinformation.

"Mexican Labor Rates"
<https://www.ivemsa.com/manufacturing-in-mexico/mexican-labor-rates/>
"the average hourly wage for production operators in Mexico is about
$3.50 (USD) per hour."
"Additionally, for skilled workers like machinists and welders, Mexico
is approximately $6 - 7 (USD) per hour, compared to an average of $16
- $18 (USD) per hour for similar positions in the U.S."

You also answer my question. Where would you prefer to work? In
California, where minimum wage is $15.50/hr or Mexico, where minimum
wage is either $10.71 or $16.13 PER DAY?

>He also believes that Mexicans can only work picking fruit and vegetables.

That reminds me. Did you see any more busloads of illegal aliens
voting in the last election?
11/04/2021
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/TUUbjBS18Xo/m/AlU5uxk-AQAJ>
"I was the first one to the polls in the morning. When I came out
there was a BUS there that had brought an entire load of illegal
aliens who all had a piece of paper with a name on it they were
supposed to vote under."

You are unworthy of being wished a merry Christmas. Instead, may you
burn in the hell of your own creation. You shall eventually enter
Malebolge, where "those who intentionally misled others for their own
gain by feeding them lies" are barbequed in the 8th circle of Hell.
You also qualify for the 10th circle of Hell, where "falsifiers, those
who attempted to alter things through lies or alchemy, or those who
tried to pass off false things as real things..." are also barbequed:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malebolge#Eighth_Bolgia_(Fraudulent_Counselors)>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malebolge#Tenth_Bolgia_(Falsifiers)>
Before you meet your well deserved demise, please tell me what you've
gained by lying?

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 18:22:23 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 15:07:30 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I am told that POS Liebermann has been exercising his usual racist bullshit. He doesn't seem to know that the average working wage in Mexico is $10/hr or 200 Pesos/Hr.
>
>You constantly lie and refuse to provide your sources of
>misinformation.
>
>"Mexican Labor Rates"
><https://www.ivemsa.com/manufacturing-in-mexico/mexican-labor-rates/>
>"the average hourly wage for production operators in Mexico is about
>$3.50 (USD) per hour."
>"Additionally, for skilled workers like machinists and welders, Mexico
>is approximately $6 - 7 (USD) per hour, compared to an average of $16
>- $18 (USD) per hour for similar positions in the U.S."
>
>You also answer my question. Where would you prefer to work? In
>California, where minimum wage is $15.50/hr or Mexico, where minimum
>wage is either $10.71 or $16.13 PER DAY?
>

You are ignoring the cost of living in California and Mexico. Using
Thailand (as I am more familiar with it then Mexico) Minimum wage is
300 baht a day, although admittedly it is heard to get anyone to work
for that wage and actual minimum is in the 400 - 500 baht range.
But... the cost of a day's food is in the 35 baht per day, per person,
range.

For calculations use $1.00 = 35 baht. So, minimum of $9.00 pay and
$1.00 for food to $14 pay and still $1.00 for food.

Cost of food versus salary from 11% with minimum salary to 7% with the
higher salary.

The net says that the average American spends 10.7% on food.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 3:07:31 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I am told that POS Liebermann has been exercising his usual racist bullshit. He doesn't seem to know that the average working wage in Mexico is $10/hr or 200 Pesos/Hr.
>
> Gee, I only have to talk to my neighbors to know that. Why is it that he doesn't.
>
> He also believes that Mexicans can only work picking fruit and vegetables.. I guess he knows this by going out into the central valley and actually talking to field workers to discover that it would be hard for an illegal to GET a job working in agriculture because these are practically owned by long term Mexican families, many of who commute between the US and Mexico depending on the picking seasons. Picking fruit and vegetables at the proper time isn't something that farmers know. The farmers know when these things are ABOUT ready and the field workers themselves know ripe from too ripe from not ripe enough. Also perennial crops need to be trimmed with a great deal of knowledge and authority. Old time farmers used to know all about this but modern farmers generally rely upon their field workers. If you had farmers in the family you'd know that;.
>
> So the illegals coming over the border these days are not Mexicans and they are not working in fields but loading trucks and unloading them. Now in California they are driving trucks inside of the state lines but not outside since most states do not issue licenses to illegals. Illegals are cooking all of the food not just in Mexican restaurants but everything else as well from Chinese to Greek restaurants. Women and children are being sold off as slaves; prostitutes and the working capital for pedophiles. Democrats like Biden who was happy to say he took showers with his daughter shows you what people like Liebermann think like.
>
> I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.

I just got back from dinner with the family. One of the emails I got was from a man laughing at Liebermann who said that I wasn't giving any references and then gave a site that proved everything I said. Liebermann on a good day wets his pants and doesn't even know it. I'm not even going to turn that killfile off to see what that racist ass has to say because all you have to know is that GM moved production to Mexico because it halved their labor costs. Anyone with a clear head would know that means that labor costs are that close to US costs. What a contemptible fool.

On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 21:49:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 3:07:31 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I am told that POS Liebermann has been exercising his usual racist bullshit. He doesn't seem to know that the average working wage in Mexico is $10/hr or 200 Pesos/Hr.
>>
>> Gee, I only have to talk to my neighbors to know that. Why is it that he doesn't.
>>
>> He also believes that Mexicans can only work picking fruit and vegetables. I guess he knows this by going out into the central valley and actually talking to field workers to discover that it would be hard for an illegal to GET a job working in agriculture because these are practically owned by long term Mexican families, many of who commute between the US and Mexico depending on the picking seasons. Picking fruit and vegetables at the proper time isn't something that farmers know. The farmers know when these things are ABOUT ready and the field workers themselves know ripe from too ripe from not ripe enough. Also perennial crops need to be trimmed with a great deal of knowledge and authority. Old time farmers used to know all about this but modern farmers generally rely upon their field workers. If you had farmers in the family you'd know that;.
>>
>> So the illegals coming over the border these days are not Mexicans and they are not working in fields but loading trucks and unloading them. Now in California they are driving trucks inside of the state lines but not outside since most states do not issue licenses to illegals. Illegals are cooking all of the food not just in Mexican restaurants but everything else as well from Chinese to Greek restaurants. Women and children are being sold off as slaves; prostitutes and the working capital for pedophiles. Democrats like Biden who was happy to say he took showers with his daughter shows you what people like Liebermann think like.
>>
>> I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
>
>I just got back from dinner with the family. One of the emails I rgot was from a man laughing at Liebermann who said that I wasn't giving any references and then gave a site that proved everything I said. Liebermann on a good day wets his pants and doesn't even know it. I'm not even going to turn that killfile off to see what that racist ass has to say because all you have to know is that GM moved production to Mexico because it halved their labor costs. Anyone with a clear head would know that means that labor costs are that close to US costs. What a contemptible fool.

It is a bit more complex then just moving.
GM is investing 1 billion dollars in building new facilities in Mexico
which will probably result in the employment of some 1,500 additional
Mexicans to add to the current 3,500. In essence some 5 thousand jobs
fewer in the U.S.

GM states that wages at the Mexican plants range from $8.97 to $33.05
per day while in the U.S. GM states that they pay workers as much as
$73,000 a year and as much as $21.91 per hour.
The hourly rate amounts to $175.28 per day which is some 5 times the
high end wages in Mexico.

Is it any wonder that U.S. companies are moving overseas.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:49:20 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.

No, sparky, it would be _you_ people don't like due to your continued displays of ignorance and racism.

> I just got back from dinner with the family. One of the emails I got was from a man laughing at Liebermann

You really need to stop this ruse of claiming other people send you emails and texts about RBT, no one believes you.

> who said that I wasn't giving any references and then gave a site that proved everything I said.

Yes Jeff, tommy really _is_ that stupid. If the previous sentence wasn't proof enough, this ones a doozy:

> GM moved production to Mexico because it halved their labor costs. Anyone with a clear head would know that means that labor costs are that close to US costs.

wow......It boggles the mind to consider how someone like tommy managed to survive into his 70's.

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:07:31 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I am told that POS Liebermann has been exercising his usual racist bullshit. He doesn't seem to know that the average working wage in Mexico is $10/hr or 200 Pesos/Hr.
>
> Gee, I only have to talk to my neighbors to know that. Why is it that he doesn't.
>
> He also believes that Mexicans can only work picking fruit and vegetables.. I guess he knows this by going out into the central valley and actually talking to field workers to discover that it would be hard for an illegal to GET a job working in agriculture because these are practically owned by long term Mexican families, many of who commute between the US and Mexico depending on the picking seasons. Picking fruit and vegetables at the proper time isn't something that farmers know. The farmers know when these things are ABOUT ready and the field workers themselves know ripe from too ripe from not ripe enough. Also perennial crops need to be trimmed with a great deal of knowledge and authority. Old time farmers used to know all about this but modern farmers generally rely upon their field workers. If you had farmers in the family you'd know that;.
>
> So the illegals coming over the border these days are not Mexicans and they are not working in fields but loading trucks and unloading them. Now in California they are driving trucks inside of the state lines but not outside since most states do not issue licenses to illegals. Illegals are cooking all of the food not just in Mexican restaurants but everything else as well from Chinese to Greek restaurants. Women and children are being sold off as slaves; prostitutes and the working capital for pedophiles. Democrats like Biden who was happy to say he took showers with his daughter shows you what people like Liebermann think like.
>
> I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.

These are your thoughts at Christmas? Nice.

Lou

On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 6:07:31 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.

This kind of angry rant from someone proud to self proclaim as Christian.

It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 8:14:24 AM UTC-5, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 6:07:31 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
> This kind of angry rant from someone proud to self proclaim as Christian.
>
> It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.

Tommy lives under quite a few delusions, one of which is what true Christian behaviour entails. Another is his interpretation of race and racism - He's actually stated "I'm not white, I'm slavic".

On 12/26/2022 2:05 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 21:49:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 3:07:31 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> I am told that POS Liebermann has been exercising his usual racist bullshit. He doesn't seem to know that the average working wage in Mexico is $10/hr or 200 Pesos/Hr.
>>>
>>> Gee, I only have to talk to my neighbors to know that. Why is it that he doesn't.
>>>
>>> He also believes that Mexicans can only work picking fruit and vegetables. I guess he knows this by going out into the central valley and actually talking to field workers to discover that it would be hard for an illegal to GET a job working in agriculture because these are practically owned by long term Mexican families, many of who commute between the US and Mexico depending on the picking seasons. Picking fruit and vegetables at the proper time isn't something that farmers know. The farmers know when these things are ABOUT ready and the field workers themselves know ripe from too ripe from not ripe enough. Also perennial crops need to be trimmed with a great deal of knowledge and authority. Old time farmers used to know all about this but modern farmers generally rely upon their field workers. If you had farmers in the family you'd know that;.
>>>
>>> So the illegals coming over the border these days are not Mexicans and they are not working in fields but loading trucks and unloading them. Now in California they are driving trucks inside of the state lines but not outside since most states do not issue licenses to illegals. Illegals are cooking all of the food not just in Mexican restaurants but everything else as well from Chinese to Greek restaurants. Women and children are being sold off as slaves; prostitutes and the working capital for pedophiles. Democrats like Biden who was happy to say he took showers with his daughter shows you what people like Liebermann think like.
>>>
>>> I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
>>
>> I just got back from dinner with the family. One of the emails I rgot was from a man laughing at Liebermann who said that I wasn't giving any references and then gave a site that proved everything I said. Liebermann on a good day wets his pants and doesn't even know it. I'm not even going to turn that killfile off to see what that racist ass has to say because all you have to know is that GM moved production to Mexico because it halved their labor costs. Anyone with a clear head would know that means that labor costs are that close to US costs. What a contemptible fool.
>
> It is a bit more complex then just moving.
> GM is investing 1 billion dollars in building new facilities in Mexico
> which will probably result in the employment of some 1,500 additional
> Mexicans to add to the current 3,500. In essence some 5 thousand jobs
> fewer in the U.S.
>
> GM states that wages at the Mexican plants range from $8.97 to $33.05
> per day while in the U.S. GM states that they pay workers as much as
> $73,000 a year and as much as $21.91 per hour.
> The hourly rate amounts to $175.28 per day which is some 5 times the
> high end wages in Mexico.
>
> Is it any wonder that U.S. companies are moving overseas.
>

Of course. It's the fruition of longstanding national
policy. Or as economists say capital goes where it is
treated best.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 4:49:19 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:07:31 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I am told that POS Liebermann has been exercising his usual racist bullshit. He doesn't seem to know that the average working wage in Mexico is $10/hr or 200 Pesos/Hr.
> >
> > Gee, I only have to talk to my neighbors to know that. Why is it that he doesn't.
> >
> > He also believes that Mexicans can only work picking fruit and vegetables. I guess he knows this by going out into the central valley and actually talking to field workers to discover that it would be hard for an illegal to GET a job working in agriculture because these are practically owned by long term Mexican families, many of who commute between the US and Mexico depending on the picking seasons. Picking fruit and vegetables at the proper time isn't something that farmers know. The farmers know when these things are ABOUT ready and the field workers themselves know ripe from too ripe from not ripe enough. Also perennial crops need to be trimmed with a great deal of knowledge and authority. Old time farmers used to know all about this but modern farmers generally rely upon their field workers. If you had farmers in the family you'd know that;.
> >
> > So the illegals coming over the border these days are not Mexicans and they are not working in fields but loading trucks and unloading them. Now in California they are driving trucks inside of the state lines but not outside since most states do not issue licenses to illegals. Illegals are cooking all of the food not just in Mexican restaurants but everything else as well from Chinese to Greek restaurants. Women and children are being sold off as slaves; prostitutes and the working capital for pedophiles. Democrats like Biden who was happy to say he took showers with his daughter shows you what people like Liebermann think like.
> >
> > I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
> These are your thoughts at Christmas? Nice.
>
> Lou

Lou, I agree with you completely. Christmas is a time to celebrate the birth of Christ who was foreshadowed by thy the protection of the Jewish people by God. And we should probably add that Jesus is a lesser profit to Islam. Peace and tranquility and forgiveness should be the order of the day. And we have Lieberman telling us that Mexicans are making almost nothing a week.. He knows this because from his ivory tower in Capitola he sees all and knows all. So much so that he cannot even read what he himself has cited. The neighbor I have across the street has spent Christmas in Mexico because since all of the criminals have come to the US from Obama and Biden's bills GIVING them a free ride and freedom from prosecution, Mexico has once again become a nice safe place. Perhaps it will remain that way if the common citizens there treat others as equals rather than lower class citizens as Lieberman was just doing.

For the first time in a decade scenes of the real Christmas are missing from his corner lot. The three wise men and the nativity scenes are missing and up and down the block are scenes of Santa Claus bringing presents while Biden's inflation has destroyed everyone's Christmas enjoyment. The old man up the block had a heart attack and died and his kids couldn't wait five minutes before they put his house on the market.

The world is on the starting edge of a depression that will make the 20's look like great times. So I hope that the commies who are going to suffer the most from this like what they have done.

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 6:07:31 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
> This kind of angry rant from someone proud to self proclaim as Christian.
>
> It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.

Tim, do I not have a Christmas spirit being angry at what the Democrats have done and are doing to the middle class who will very soon be the poor? My anger is for THEM and not for me. I can get through this OK and may even profit from it. Every large leftist firm including Wall St. has announced staggering layoffs.

What are you going to do when you can't afford to eat and pay your mortgage?

Is it a sign that Christians aren't Christian if they worry about YOU? Two of my Children have or about to have PhD.s and another runs the office of a legal firm. The last is a store manager of a large chain. They were all taught to like to work. What happens to the 1/3rd of Google who were given jobs doing nothing at all when they are laid off next week? I made sure that my investments are protected. What about you? I'm worth nearly two million now and can live almost entirely on my social security. Can you? Even with my expensive bicycle hobby I own less than $1,600 TOTAL. And I knocked my bank account down to just enough to cover emergencies since the Democrats are now attacking banks which will drive them into bankruptcy.

I suggest that you were never taught anything about religion and you have fallen for the Democrat's teachings that THEY are the only religion and you should look to government instead of to yourself.

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 6:11:12 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/26/2022 2:05 AM, John B. wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 21:49:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 3:07:31 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> I am told that POS Liebermann has been exercising his usual racist bullshit. He doesn't seem to know that the average working wage in Mexico is $10/hr or 200 Pesos/Hr.
> >>>
> >>> Gee, I only have to talk to my neighbors to know that. Why is it that he doesn't.
> >>>
> >>> He also believes that Mexicans can only work picking fruit and vegetables. I guess he knows this by going out into the central valley and actually talking to field workers to discover that it would be hard for an illegal to GET a job working in agriculture because these are practically owned by long term Mexican families, many of who commute between the US and Mexico depending on the picking seasons. Picking fruit and vegetables at the proper time isn't something that farmers know. The farmers know when these things are ABOUT ready and the field workers themselves know ripe from too ripe from not ripe enough. Also perennial crops need to be trimmed with a great deal of knowledge and authority. Old time farmers used to know all about this but modern farmers generally rely upon their field workers. If you had farmers in the family you'd know that;.
> >>>
> >>> So the illegals coming over the border these days are not Mexicans and they are not working in fields but loading trucks and unloading them. Now in California they are driving trucks inside of the state lines but not outside since most states do not issue licenses to illegals. Illegals are cooking all of the food not just in Mexican restaurants but everything else as well from Chinese to Greek restaurants. Women and children are being sold off as slaves; prostitutes and the working capital for pedophiles. Democrats like Biden who was happy to say he took showers with his daughter shows you what people like Liebermann think like.
> >>>
> >>> I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
> >>
> >> I just got back from dinner with the family. One of the emails I rgot was from a man laughing at Liebermann who said that I wasn't giving any references and then gave a site that proved everything I said. Liebermann on a good day wets his pants and doesn't even know it. I'm not even going to turn that killfile off to see what that racist ass has to say because all you have to know is that GM moved production to Mexico because it halved their labor costs. Anyone with a clear head would know that means that labor costs are that close to US costs. What a contemptible fool.
> >
> > It is a bit more complex then just moving.
> > GM is investing 1 billion dollars in building new facilities in Mexico
> > which will probably result in the employment of some 1,500 additional
> > Mexicans to add to the current 3,500. In essence some 5 thousand jobs
> > fewer in the U.S.
> >
> > GM states that wages at the Mexican plants range from $8.97 to $33.05
> > per day while in the U.S. GM states that they pay workers as much as
> > $73,000 a year and as much as $21.91 per hour.
> > The hourly rate amounts to $175.28 per day which is some 5 times the
> > high end wages in Mexico.
> >
> > Is it any wonder that U.S. companies are moving overseas.
> >
> Of course. It's the fruition of longstanding national
> policy. Or as economists say capital goes where it is
> treated best.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I am afraid that's true. There were too many people living the life of luxury on the government dime. That couldn't last and the warnings fell upon deaf ears. Now the piper must be paid and what do we have? The entire Democrat Party denying it is happening when 2/3rds of CNN are being laid off.

Long ago someone at Facebook canceled my account because I said something entirely innocuous but since I was a known conservative they were looking for something to cancel my account. Now THEY are being fired and replaced by a piece of software that carried their own opinions to the extreme.

All this means is that they are opening the door for a replacement.

On 12/26/2022 11:32 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> Long ago someone at Facebook canceled my account because I said something entirely innocuous ...

:-) HAHAHAHA!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:44:02 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:49:20 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
>
>No, sparky, it would be _you_ people don't like due to your continued displays of ignorance and racism.
>
>> I just got back from dinner with the family. One of the emails I got was from a man laughing at Liebermann
>
>You really need to stop this ruse of claiming other people send you emails and texts about RBT, no one believes you.
>
>> who said that I wasn't giving any references and then gave a site that proved everything I said.
>
>Yes Jeff, tommy really _is_ that stupid. If the previous sentence wasn't proof enough, this ones a doozy:
>
>> GM moved production to Mexico because it halved their labor costs. Anyone with a clear head would know that means that labor costs are that close to US costs.
>
>wow......It boggles the mind to consider how someone like tommy managed to survive into his 70's.

Well, by his own admission he was "crazy" for at least part of the
time :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 05:37:44 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 8:14:24 AM UTC-5, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 6:07:31 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
>> This kind of angry rant from someone proud to self proclaim as Christian.
>>
>> It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.
>
>Tommy lives under quite a few delusions, one of which is what true Christian behaviour entails. Another is his interpretation of race and racism - He's actually stated "I'm not white, I'm slavic".

Talking about racism.... wasn't Tommy the lad that was complaining
about the illegal "Spics" running up and down the streets and stealing
his bicycles?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 12/26/2022 4:13 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:44:02 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:49:20 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
>>
>> No, sparky, it would be _you_ people don't like due to your continued displays of ignorance and racism.
>>
>>> I just got back from dinner with the family. One of the emails I got was from a man laughing at Liebermann
>>
>> You really need to stop this ruse of claiming other people send you emails and texts about RBT, no one believes you.
>>
>>> who said that I wasn't giving any references and then gave a site that proved everything I said.
>>
>> Yes Jeff, tommy really _is_ that stupid. If the previous sentence wasn't proof enough, this ones a doozy:
>>
>>> GM moved production to Mexico because it halved their labor costs. Anyone with a clear head would know that means that labor costs are that close to US costs.
>>
>> wow......It boggles the mind to consider how someone like tommy managed to survive into his 70's.
>
> Well, by his own admission he was "crazy" for at least part of the
> time :-)
>

We're a sensitive nation. We employ the mentally disabled:
https://youtu.be/IML7mq1IpxY

Warning! Bicycle content in the opening.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 2:22:53 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/26/2022 4:13 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:44:02 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:49:20 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
> >>
> >> No, sparky, it would be _you_ people don't like due to your continued displays of ignorance and racism.
> >>
> >>> I just got back from dinner with the family. One of the emails I got was from a man laughing at Liebermann
> >>
> >> You really need to stop this ruse of claiming other people send you emails and texts about RBT, no one believes you.
> >>
> >>> who said that I wasn't giving any references and then gave a site that proved everything I said.
> >>
> >> Yes Jeff, tommy really _is_ that stupid. If the previous sentence wasn't proof enough, this ones a doozy:
> >>
> >>> GM moved production to Mexico because it halved their labor costs. Anyone with a clear head would know that means that labor costs are that close to US costs.
> >>
> >> wow......It boggles the mind to consider how someone like tommy managed to survive into his 70's.
> >
> > Well, by his own admission he was "crazy" for at least part of the
> > time :-)
> >
> We're a sensitive nation. We employ the mentally disabled:
> https://youtu.be/IML7mq1IpxY
>
> Warning! Bicycle content in the opening.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It's too bad that John's dementia is getting so bad that he has no memory of truth and only remembers what he can make up as he goes.

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 5:21:18 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 05:37:44 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 8:14:24 AM UTC-5, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 6:07:31 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
> >> This kind of angry rant from someone proud to self proclaim as Christian.
> >>
> >> It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.
> >
> >Tommy lives under quite a few delusions, one of which is what true Christian behaviour entails. Another is his interpretation of race and racism - He's actually stated "I'm not white, I'm slavic".
> Talking about racism.... wasn't Tommy the lad that was complaining
> about the illegal "Spics" running up and down the streets and stealing
> his bicycles?

Yup, he's also the one who couldn't understand why the one black person in his bike club stopped talking to him after he (tom) told a Dave Chappelle joke with the N bomb, then he (tom) blamed it on Obama

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 5:22:53 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/26/2022 4:13 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 04:44:02 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:49:20 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I said that people don't like Liebermann because of his ignorance and racism. But I guess he continues to bring people to the point of vomiting.
> >>
> >> No, sparky, it would be _you_ people don't like due to your continued displays of ignorance and racism.
> >>
> >>> I just got back from dinner with the family. One of the emails I got was from a man laughing at Liebermann
> >>
> >> You really need to stop this ruse of claiming other people send you emails and texts about RBT, no one believes you.
> >>
> >>> who said that I wasn't giving any references and then gave a site that proved everything I said.
> >>
> >> Yes Jeff, tommy really _is_ that stupid. If the previous sentence wasn't proof enough, this ones a doozy:
> >>
> >>> GM moved production to Mexico because it halved their labor costs. Anyone with a clear head would know that means that labor costs are that close to US costs.
> >>
> >> wow......It boggles the mind to consider how someone like tommy managed to survive into his 70's.
> >
> > Well, by his own admission he was "crazy" for at least part of the
> > time :-)
> >
> We're a sensitive nation. We employ the mentally disabled:
>
>
Tom's resume is proof of that.

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 11:24:58 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.
> Tim, do I not have a Christmas spirit being angry at what the Democrats have done and are doing to the middle class who will very soon be the poor? My anger is for THEM and not for me.

It would appear you demonstrate Christian values only when it's easy to do so - as soon as you let someone make you angry they go out the window. You're certainly in good company - but Jesus didn't promise your faith would be easy. Time to work on that.

Secondly, if you define yourself by what makes you indignant - and I'm speaking in general here, not just to Tom, but he may be the poster child in this group - then you are owning a lot of unnecessary misery. Define yourself by what you show gratitude for, and it goes a long way to make you happier.

On 12/28/2022 8:37 AM, Tim R wrote:
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 11:24:58 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.
>> Tim, do I not have a Christmas spirit being angry at what the Democrats have done and are doing to the middle class who will very soon be the poor? My anger is for THEM and not for me.
>
> It would appear you demonstrate Christian values only when it's easy to do so - as soon as you let someone make you angry they go out the window. You're certainly in good company - but Jesus didn't promise your faith would be easy. Time to work on that.
>
> Secondly, if you define yourself by what makes you indignant - and I'm speaking in general here, not just to Tom, but he may be the poster child in this group - then you are owning a lot of unnecessary misery. Define yourself by what you show gratitude for, and it goes a long way to make you happier.

Good advice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 5:37:58 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 11:24:58 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.
> > Tim, do I not have a Christmas spirit being angry at what the Democrats have done and are doing to the middle class who will very soon be the poor? My anger is for THEM and not for me.
> It would appear you demonstrate Christian values only when it's easy to do so - as soon as you let someone make you angry they go out the window. You're certainly in good company - but Jesus didn't promise your faith would be easy. Time to work on that.
>
> Secondly, if you define yourself by what makes you indignant - and I'm speaking in general here, not just to Tom, but he may be the poster child in this group - then you are owning a lot of unnecessary misery. Define yourself by what you show gratitude for, and it goes a long way to make you happier.

Tell me Tim, where did you learn Christian values and what they are?

On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 05:37:56 -0800 (PST), Tim R
<timothy42bach@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 11:24:58 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.
>> Tim, do I not have a Christmas spirit being angry at what the Democrats have done and are doing to the middle class who will very soon be the poor? My anger is for THEM and not for me.
>
>It would appear you demonstrate Christian values only when it's easy to do so - as soon as you let someone make you angry they go out the window. You're certainly in good company - but Jesus didn't promise your faith would be easy. Time to work on that.
>
>Secondly, if you define yourself by what makes you indignant - and I'm speaking in general here, not just to Tom, but he may be the poster child in this group - then you are owning a lot of unnecessary misery. Define yourself by what you show gratitude for, and it goes a long way to make you happier.

Attempting to define one self to others is a wasted effort, most often
done by those with type B personalities. It's better to simply be what
you are. Let the cards fall where ever they fall and let others
believe whatever they want to believe.

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 8:18:46 AM UTC-8, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 05:37:56 -0800 (PST), Tim R
> <timoth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 11:24:58 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 5:14:24 AM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > It says more about you than him. But it also sends a message that US Christians are impossible to shame no matter what their behavior.
> >> Tim, do I not have a Christmas spirit being angry at what the Democrats have done and are doing to the middle class who will very soon be the poor? My anger is for THEM and not for me.
> >
> >It would appear you demonstrate Christian values only when it's easy to do so - as soon as you let someone make you angry they go out the window. You're certainly in good company - but Jesus didn't promise your faith would be easy. Time to work on that.
> >
> >Secondly, if you define yourself by what makes you indignant - and I'm speaking in general here, not just to Tom, but he may be the poster child in this group - then you are owning a lot of unnecessary misery. Define yourself by what you show gratitude for, and it goes a long way to make you happier.
> Attempting to define one self to others is a wasted effort, most often
> done by those with type B personalities. It's better to simply be what
> you are. Let the cards fall where ever they fall and let others
> believe whatever they want to believe.

Even Christ in anger cast the money lenders from the Temple. And Tim wants to define Christian values when he doesn't even know what they are. Do you suppose he ever set foot in the door of a church? I was educated by nuns.