carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> And yet millions of people see it every evening and morning... sometimes
> a couple of times a day... it can be one of the brightest objects in the sky...
>
> Show me a photo of the ISS taken in the day.
>
>

Here:
http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/10-surprising-things-to-see-in-the-daytime-sky/
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 10:19:22 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> carl eto <carleto4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > And yet millions of people see it every evening and morning... sometimes
> > a couple of times a day... it can be one of the brightest objects in the sky...
> >
> > Show me a photo of the ISS taken in the day.
> >
> >
> Here:
> http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/10-surprising-things-to-see-in-the-daytime-sky/
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

To suggest that you can view the ISS during the day implies you have your cephalic farther up your anal atresia than has been ostensibly previously reported.

carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 10:19:22 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> carl eto <carleto4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And yet millions of people see it every evening and morning... sometimes
>>> a couple of times a day... it can be one of the brightest objects in the sky...
>>>
>>> Show me a photo of the ISS taken in the day.
>>>
>>>
>> Here:
>> http://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/10-surprising-things-to-see-in-the-daytime-sky/
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> To suggest that you can view the ISS during the day implies you have your
> cephalic farther up your anal atresia than has been ostensibly previously reported.
>

Well, there’s the photo.

You were going to say that the secret government put up this web page with
a bunch of fabricated photos, and that you’re not buying a lick of it?

Did you know the salt that comes in those little packets from McDonalds
contains neutering chemicals?

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

I cannot distinguish the ISS in the photos.

carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> I cannot distinguish the ISS in the photos.
>

Nor should you be able to. Nor was it the ask.

You said it was impossible to see the ISS during the daytime. It clearly is
not impossible.

Now maybe you are saying that you want to be able to read an astronaut’s
nametag in a photo taken by an amateur’s telescope during the daytime. And
maybe you want the photo in a gilt frame, and you want the astronaut waving
in the photo. Because that’s the only way you’d believe it’s not fake.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 1:21:30 PM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> carl eto <carleto4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I cannot distinguish the ISS in the photos.
> >
> Nor should you be able to. Nor was it the ask.
>
> You said it was impossible to see the ISS during the daytime. It clearly is
> not impossible.
>
> Now maybe you are saying that you want to be able to read an astronaut’s
> nametag in a photo taken by an amateur’s telescope during the daytime. And
> maybe you want the photo in a gilt frame, and you want the astronaut waving
> in the photo. Because that’s the only way you’d believe it’s not fake.
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

How do I know if the photos a that of the ISS or just avian fecal matter which is the purpose of the nametag. A good outline would be acceptable but a white dot is not. Why doesn't NASA have such a photograph?

carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 1:21:30 PM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> carl eto <carleto4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I cannot distinguish the ISS in the photos.
>>>
>> Nor should you be able to. Nor was it the ask.
>>
>> You said it was impossible to see the ISS during the daytime. It clearly is
>> not impossible.
>>
>> Now maybe you are saying that you want to be able to read an astronaut’s
>> nametag in a photo taken by an amateur’s telescope during the daytime. And
>> maybe you want the photo in a gilt frame, and you want the astronaut waving
>> in the photo. Because that’s the only way you’d believe it’s not fake.
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> How do I know if the photos a that of the ISS or just avian fecal matter
> which is the purpose of the nametag. A good outline would be acceptable
> but a white dot is not.

There are lots of good outline photos in the night sky. There’s no need for
an outline in a daytime photo. But since it is visible during the daytime,
as this photo illustrates, you can just go outside and watch the white dot
cross the sky at a pace of about five minutes for horizon traversal. I’ve
done that. I even took a video with a cell phone camera once — no longer
have it.

Now, maybe you will decline to look up when the ISS is passing over your
location, and maybe you will decline to look up, and you’d rather someone
hold you down and pry your eyes open to force you to look at it while you
scream at the restraints.

> Why doesn't NASA have such a photograph?
>

They do. They provide lots of resources for photographing from the ground.
Try for starters http://spotthestation.nasa.gov to find when it’s passing
overhead and photos submitted by users of this site. For example:
www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1885.himl. Let’s recap.
That’s BETTER than an outline, it’s taken from the ground, and it’s on the
NASA site for public consumption.

Most of the NASA photos are of course taken from a vantage point that only
NASA can provide — from up there.

Now, as I said, you may want to insist on a photo where an astronaut’s face
is visible and he’s got a finger in one ear to make you prove that it’s
real.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

http://spotthestation.nasa.gov

www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1885.himl.

Can't seem to find any images on these links.

It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.. Maybe you should review a college physics text book and perhaps you can figure it out or ask Paul or Ufonaut since he is an extremely bright fellow and maybe someday you also will produce something worth noting, one can hope, in your case, in the mean time, please read Ufonaut post regarding the Apollo 11 shadows which is very good which may inspire you to go beyond your posts and links (404) but you, surely, cannot understand what I am saying------> can you?

carl eto wrote:
> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.

Wrong. You could even do it if you had guts to check for yourself
you idiotic claims.

On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.

I have seen it, so you are wrong.

On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
> > It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
> I have seen it, so you are wrong.

Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time? Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.

Lets get it on.

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:52:11 AM UTC+10, carl eto wrote:
> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth. Maybe you should review a college physics text book and perhaps you can figure it out or ask Paul or Ufonaut since he is an extremely bright fellow and maybe someday you also will produce something worth noting, one can hope, in your case, in the mean time, please read Ufonaut post regarding the Apollo 11 shadows which is very good which may inspire you to go beyond your posts and links (404) but you, surely, cannot understand what I am saying------> can you?

I enjoy going out to watch both the ISS and the Hubble as they go past at night (8pm or or later), when they are bright enough to be clearly visible despite the light pollution of the city.

Since you regard this as impossible, does that mean that you have never even tried ???

On a general note, I am not a fan of spotthestation.nasa.gov, since it does not give the apparent magnitude (or "brightness"), so instead I use :
https://www.heavens-above.com/ (no automatic gps on the website, so don't forget to put your location in !)

For those unfamiliar, the "Brightness (mag)" is the measure used in Astronomy, where brighter objects have smaller numbers - so negative numbers are brighter than positive. Certainly from a light-polluted city, you're looking for brightness of at least -2 but preferably -3 to see them.

On 1/16/2022 6:04 PM, carl eto wrote:
> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
>> I have seen it, so you are wrong.
>
>
> Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time? Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.

Shortly after sunset, sky not 100% dark. It's more spectacular with high
contrast. I've seen it many times, I showed my kid a few times.

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:10:50 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 6:04 PM, carl eto wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
> >>> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
> >> I have seen it, so you are wrong.
> >
> >
> > Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time? Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.
> Shortly after sunset, sky not 100% dark. It's more spectacular with high
> contrast. I've seen it many times, I showed my kid a few times.

Very interesting. What were you using and can you see the ISS a 12:00 pm at night?

https://www.skymania.com/wp/amateur-snaps-astronaut-on-spacewalk/

This person photographed at night since the background in black.

https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/how-to-take-a-photo-of-the-iss/

Here is a photo of the ISS streaking across the sky which suggest that the ISS can be viewed at any time at night. I that correct?

Are you sure the photo, taken during the day, are not jets? Ha Ha Ha Ha

thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/how-to-take-a-photo-of-the-iss/
>
> Here is a photo of the ISS streaking across the sky which suggest that
> the ISS can be viewed at any time at night. I that correct?
>

No, only when it is overhead. Most nights it’s not over your area.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you sure the photo, taken during the day, are not jets? Ha Ha Ha Ha
>

Yes. Planes that could cross the sky in the time that it does would be low
enough to see wings.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:35:01 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> thor stoneman <consequen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/how-to-take-a-photo-of-the-iss/
> >
> > Here is a photo of the ISS streaking across the sky which suggest that
> > the ISS can be viewed at any time at night. I that correct?
> >
> No, only when it is overhead. Most nights it’s not over your area..
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, table

Are you saying that at night when the ISS is ostensibly overhead that one can see the ISS. Have you seen the ISS yourself? Not just a intensity point but an outline of the ISS?

thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:35:01 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> thor stoneman <consequen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/how-to-take-a-photo-of-the-iss/
>>>
>>> Here is a photo of the ISS streaking across the sky which suggest that
>>> the ISS can be viewed at any time at night. I that correct?
>>>
>> No, only when it is overhead. Most nights it’s not over your area.
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, table
>
>
> Are you saying that at night when the ISS is ostensibly overhead that one
> can see the ISS. Have you seen the ISS yourself? Not just a intensity
> point but an outline of the ISS?
>

Yes, I’ve seen the ISS. I saw it as a moving dot, and then I looked at it
through a telescope pointed at a spot ahead of its current position, and as
it got close, I looked through the telescope and saw the solar panels and
the compartments. When it passed the telescope field of view, I continued
to watch it through binoculars and I could see the outline with the
binoculars.

I had to plan this, as it does not move overhead of my position every
night, of course.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 1/18/2022 12:09 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:10:50 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 1/16/2022 6:04 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>>>> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
>>>> I have seen it, so you are wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time? Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.
>> Shortly after sunset, sky not 100% dark. It's more spectacular with high
>> contrast. I've seen it many times, I showed my kid a few times.
>
>
> Very interesting. What were you using

Our unaided eyes.

> and can you see the ISS a 12:00 pm at night?

Unlikely. It would be in earth's shadow and therefore dark.
Of course it has to be nearly directly overhead in the first place. A
telescope designed to image darker objects probably could.

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:18:52 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 1/18/2022 12:09 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:10:50 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 1/16/2022 6:04 PM, carl eto wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >>>> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
> >>>>> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
> >>>> I have seen it, so you are wrong.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time? Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.
> >> Shortly after sunset, sky not 100% dark. It's more spectacular with high
> >> contrast. I've seen it many times, I showed my kid a few times.
> >
> >
> > Very interesting. What were you using
> Our unaided eyes.
> > and can you see the ISS a 12:00 pm at night?
> Unlikely. It would be in earth's shadow and therefore dark.
> Of course it has to be nearly directly overhead in the first place. A
> telescope designed to image darker objects probably could.

Bodkin said that he saw the ISS at night and the streaks across the sky implies that the ISS can be seen at night. Are you contradicting NASA? Also, if you cannot see the object how can a telescope be used to see darker objects?