On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:10:35 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> thor stoneman <consequen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:35:01 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> thor stoneman <consequen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/how-to-take-a-photo-of-the-iss/
> >>>
> >>> Here is a photo of the ISS streaking across the sky which suggest that
> >>> the ISS can be viewed at any time at night. I that correct?
> >>>
> >> No, only when it is overhead. Most nights it’s not over your area.
> >> --
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, table
> >
> >
> > Are you saying that at night when the ISS is ostensibly overhead that one
> > can see the ISS. Have you seen the ISS yourself? Not just a intensity
> > point but an outline of the ISS?
> >
> Yes, I’ve seen the ISS. I saw it as a moving dot, and then I looked at it
> through a telescope pointed at a spot ahead of its current position, and as
> it got close, I looked through the telescope and saw the solar panels and
> the compartments. When it passed the telescope field of view, I continued
> to watch it through binoculars and I could see the outline with the
> binoculars.
>
> I had to plan this, as it does not move overhead of my position every
> night, of course.
>
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Do you swear to GOD and on your mother and father grave that you saw the ISS using a telescope?

thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:18:52 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 1/18/2022 12:09 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:10:50 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/2022 6:04 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>>>>>> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
>>>>>> I have seen it, so you are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time?
>>>>> Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.
>>>> Shortly after sunset, sky not 100% dark. It's more spectacular with high
>>>> contrast. I've seen it many times, I showed my kid a few times.
>>>
>>>
>>> Very interesting. What were you using
>> Our unaided eyes.
>>> and can you see the ISS a 12:00 pm at night?
>> Unlikely. It would be in earth's shadow and therefore dark.
>> Of course it has to be nearly directly overhead in the first place. A
>> telescope designed to image darker objects probably could.
>
>
> Bodkin said that he saw the ISS at night

Just after sundown is night. It’d be foolish to try to see it at midnight.

All you have to do is go to NASA’s page, put in your zip code, and it will
tell you when it will be visible in the sky over your location. You can say
you wouldn’t dream of even looking.

> and the streaks across the sky implies that the ISS can be seen at night.
> Are you contradicting NASA? Also, if you cannot see the object how can
> a telescope be used to see darker objects?
>

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:10:35 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> thor stoneman <consequen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:35:01 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> thor stoneman <consequen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/how-to-take-a-photo-of-the-iss/
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a photo of the ISS streaking across the sky which suggest that
>>>>> the ISS can be viewed at any time at night. I that correct?
>>>>>
>>>> No, only when it is overhead. Most nights it’s not over your area.
>>>> --
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, table
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying that at night when the ISS is ostensibly overhead that one
>>> can see the ISS. Have you seen the ISS yourself? Not just a intensity
>>> point but an outline of the ISS?
>>>
>> Yes, I’ve seen the ISS. I saw it as a moving dot, and then I looked at it
>> through a telescope pointed at a spot ahead of its current position, and as
>> it got close, I looked through the telescope and saw the solar panels and
>> the compartments. When it passed the telescope field of view, I continued
>> to watch it through binoculars and I could see the outline with the
>> binoculars.
>>
>> I had to plan this, as it does not move overhead of my position every
>> night, of course.
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> Do you swear to GOD and on your mother and father grave that you saw the
> ISS using a telescope?
>

Sure.

Now you go do it. It won’t set you on fire.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Bodlkin you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father graves (if they are dead) that you saw the
ISS using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.

thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bodlkin you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father
> graves (if they are dead) that you saw the
> ISS using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.
>
>

Yes.

Now do it yourself. It’s not hard. Someone will let you look up in the sky
with their binoculars, and no one is going to whack you on the head if you
try to look up. What are you afraid of?

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:10:50 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 6:04 PM, carl eto wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
> >>> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
> >> I have seen it, so you are wrong.
> >
> >
> > Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time? Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.
> Shortly after sunset, sky not 100% dark. It's more spectacular with high
> contrast. I've seen it many times, I showed my kid a few times.

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:10:50 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 6:04 PM, carl eto wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
> >>> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
> >> I have seen it, so you are wrong.
> >
> >
> > Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time? Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.
> Shortly after sunset, sky not 100% dark. It's more spectacular with high
> contrast. I've seen it many times, I showed my kid a few times.

Michael Moroney do you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father graves (if they are dead) that you saw a clear image of the
ISS using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 2:14:39 PM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> thor stoneman <consequen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Bodlkin you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father
> > graves (if they are dead) that you saw the
> > ISS using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.
> >
> >
> Yes.
>
> Now do it yourself. It’s not hard. Someone will let you look up in the sky
> with their binoculars, and no one is going to whack you on the head if you
> try to look up. What are you afraid of?
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

You are saying that you saw a clear image of the ISS, at night with binoculars but from Sacramento CA, on a clear day I can see the sierra nevada mountains that are 100 miles away. If a 747 jumbo jet that is close to the size of the ISS were to pass the mountains I would not be able to see the 747 jet from Sacto. using binoculars yet the ISS is 250 miles from the earth.

On 1/18/2022 5:18 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:10:50 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 1/16/2022 6:04 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>>>> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
>>>> I have seen it, so you are wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time? Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.
>> Shortly after sunset, sky not 100% dark. It's more spectacular with high
>> contrast. I've seen it many times, I showed my kid a few times.
>
> Michael Moroney do you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father graves (if they are dead) that you saw a clear image of the
> ISS using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.

I did not use a telescope, and I did not see details such as the solar
panels. I did see what I expected to see, a very bright star that moved
at a steady speed across the sky, exactly what was predicted.

Apparently you seem to think that doesn't "count" because I didn't see
details. Too bad. Oh well.

I did like, however, the web page you pointed out that had many actual
images of the ISS taken through ground telescopes.

On 1/18/2022 4:21 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:18:52 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 1/18/2022 12:09 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:10:50 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>> On 1/16/2022 6:04 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 11:23:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/13/2022 8:52 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>>>>>> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
>>>>>> I have seen it, so you are wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you tell me -- did you see it at night or day and at what time? Example, 1 pm or 12:00 at night or 2 in the afternoon. Please be specfic.
>>>> Shortly after sunset, sky not 100% dark. It's more spectacular with high
>>>> contrast. I've seen it many times, I showed my kid a few times.
>>>
>>>
>>> Very interesting. What were you using
>> Our unaided eyes.
>>> and can you see the ISS a 12:00 pm at night?
>> Unlikely. It would be in earth's shadow and therefore dark.
>> Of course it has to be nearly directly overhead in the first place. A
>> telescope designed to image darker objects probably could.
>
>
> Bodkin said that he saw the ISS at night and the streaks across the sky implies that the ISS can be seen at night. Are you contradicting NASA?

Bodkin didn't say he saw it at midnight, did he.

> Also, if you cannot see the object how can a telescope be used to see darker objects?

Powerful telescopes can see objects that the naked eye cannot see. This
has been known since Galileo.

"I did see what I expected to see, a very bright star that moved
at a steady speed across the sky, exactly what was predicted."

So it may not have been the ISS that you were viewing since you did not get a clear view of the ISS which would include the solar panels; therefore, it could have been a jet or a drone? Also, you did not see images similar to the following, correct?

https://www.google.com/search?q=amateur+iss+photos

And it would probably unlike that Bodkin saw images similar to those depicted since as I pointed out the range of a pair of binoculars is limited.

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:10:05 PM UTC-8, carl eto wrote:
> "I did see what I expected to see, a very bright star that moved
> at a steady speed across the sky, exactly what was predicted."
> So it may not have been the ISS that you were viewing since you did not get a clear view of the ISS which would include the solar panels; therefore, it could have been a jet or a drone? Also, you did not see images similar to the following, correct?
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=amateur+iss+photos
>
>
> And it would probably unlike that Bodkin saw images similar to those depicted since as I pointed out the range of a pair of binoculars is limited.

Unless Bodkin was reading his son's superman comics and Bodkin thinks he has super powers that can be used to see the ISS.

thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 2:14:39 PM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> thor stoneman <consequen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Bodlkin you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father
>>> graves (if they are dead) that you saw the
>>> ISS using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Now do it yourself. It’s not hard. Someone will let you look up in the sky
>> with their binoculars, and no one is going to whack you on the head if you
>> try to look up. What are you afraid of?
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> You are saying that you saw a clear image of the ISS, at night with binoculars

Yes

> but from Sacramento CA, on a clear day I can see the sierra nevada
> mountains that are 100 miles away. If a 747 jumbo jet that is close to
> the size of the ISS were to pass the mountains I would not be able to see
> the 747 jet from Sacto. using binoculars yet the ISS is 250 miles from the earth.
>

Don’t care whether you believe it or not.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Carl: Bodkin you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father
graves (if they are dead) that you saw the ISS using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.

Bodkin: Yes.

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From Sacramento CA, on a clear day I can see the Sierra Nevada mountains that are 100 miles away. If a 747 jumbo jet that is close to the size of the ISS were to pass the mountains I would not be able to see the 747 jet from Sacto. using binoculars yet the ISS is 250 miles from the earth. Also, it is 160 miles from SF to the Sierra Nevada mountains and from a hot air balloon at the height of 1,000 meters, on a clear day, using binoculars on cannot see a 747 Jumbo jet flying parallel to the SNM range. Can you explain why since you have stated that, on a curse to GOD, that you can see an image of the ISS using binoculars with your SON.

Michael Moroney

> I did not use a telescope, and I did not see details such as the solar
> panels.

Michael Moroney do you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father
graves (if they are dead) and on the graves of you ancestors that you saw the ISS which includes "the details of the solar panels" using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.

Michael Moroney and Bodkin both have you have not seen a clear image of the ISS. You both have only see an illuminated dot in the sky propagating across the sky seen at night. It that correct?

From Sacramento CA, on a clear day I can see the Sierra Nevada mountains that are 100 miles away. If a 747 jumbo jet that is close to the size of the ISS were to pass the mountains I would not be able to see the 747 Jumbo jet from Sacramento using binoculars yet the ISS is 250 miles from the earth and you have stated under oath that you have seen the ISS. Also, it is 160 miles from SF to the Sierra Nevada mountains and from the Goodyear Blimp a hot air balloon at the height of 7,000 meters, on a clear day, using binoculars one cannot see a 747 Jumbo jet flying parallel to the Sierra Nevada mountain range. Can you explain why since you have stated that, on a curse to GOD, that you can see an image of the ISS using binoculars. It is OK to say that you made a mistake since science is based on peoples mistakes. People are not perfect and we certainly would like to get this matter cleared up.

It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:43:48 PM UTC-8, carl eto wrote:
> It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.

Unfortunately for you, you are unaware that you are an idiot. The ISS can be seen by anyone who knows where and when to look... why don't you just try for yourself? I myself have observed the ISS hundreds of times...

https://heavens-above.com/main.aspx

This is so easy to do that even a 5th grader can do it... are you as smart as a 5th grader? I rather doubt it myself...

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 8:19:46 PM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:43:48 PM UTC-8, carl eto wrote:
> > It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
> Unfortunately for you, you are unaware that you are an idiot. The ISS can be seen by anyone who knows where and when to look... why don't you just try for yourself? I myself have observed the ISS hundreds of times...
>
> https://heavens-above.com/main.aspx
>
> This is so easy to do that even a 5th grader can do it... are you as smart as a 5th grader? I rather doubt it myself...

Paul have you seen an image of the ISS or just a illuminated dote since presumable you yourself have seen the ISS, if I am not mistaken?

carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael Moroney and Bodkin both have you have not seen a clear image of
> the ISS. You both have only see an illuminated dot in the sky propagating
> across the sky seen at night. It that correct?
>

No, not correct.

I’ve told you what I saw.

You don’t believe it.

I don’t care.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 1/19/2022 1:37 PM, carl eto wrote:
> Michael Moroney
>
>
>> I did not use a telescope, and I did not see details such as the solar
>> panels.
>
> Michael Moroney do you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father
> graves (if they are dead) and on the graves of you ancestors that you saw the ISS which includes "the details of the solar panels" using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.

I already told you, I saw the ISS with the naked eye, I never used a
telescope to see it, and I never saw details like solar panels, because
I did not use a telescope.

It appears as a fast-moving, very bright star and the motion is steady.
It takes several minutes to cross the sky.

It does appear to be easily viewable with a telescope as long as you can
aim it properly.

Michael Moroney wrote:

>> graves (if they are dead) and on the graves of you ancestors that
>> you saw the ISS which includes "the details of the solar panels"
>> using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.
>
> I already told you, I saw the ISS with the naked eye, I never used a
> telescope to see it, and I never saw details like solar panels, because
> I did not use a telescope.

more details here. You should start *arresting_that_mazafaka_claus_schab*
&co *parasites* immediately.

Too Good To Be True - What is Going on
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CIbO5RxsuMT3/

On 1/19/2022 1:37 PM, carl eto wrote:
> Michael Moroney
>
>
>> I did not use a telescope, and I did not see details such as the solar
>> panels.
>
> Michael Moroney do you swear to GOD and hope to die, on your mother and father
> graves (if they are dead) and on the graves of you ancestors that you saw the ISS which includes "the details of the solar panels" using a telescope? Yes or no would suffice as an answer.

I already told you, I saw the ISS with the naked eye, I never used a
telescope to see it, and I never saw details like solar panels, because
I did not use a telescope.

It appears as a fast-moving, very bright star and the motion is steady.
It takes several minutes to cross the sky.

It does appear to be easily viewable with a telescope as long as you can
aim it properly.

On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 9:24:06 AM UTC-8, carl eto wrote:
> On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 8:19:46 PM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:43:48 PM UTC-8, carl eto wrote:

> > > It is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.

> > Unfortunately for you, you are unaware that you are an idiot. The ISS can be seen by anyone who knows where and when to look... why don't you just try for yourself? I myself have observed the ISS hundreds of times...
> >
> > https://heavens-above.com/main.aspx
> >
> > This is so easy to do that even a 5th grader can do it... are you as smart as a 5th grader? I rather doubt it myself...

> Paul have you seen an image of the ISS or just a illuminated dote since presumable you yourself have seen the ISS, if I am not mistaken?

Go to the link I provided, enter your location, and then go outside at the predicted hour and look in the predicted direction and watch the darn thing for yourself. There is no need to take my word for it, see for yourself. It will be the brightest object in the sky, other than the Sun, the moon, and a couple of bright planets, except that it will be moving fast and only be in the sky for less than about 5 minutes.

Do you think that your own eyes will lie to you?