https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364

And that's just TI. Boggling.

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On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<1p286h126b5jr3km7052fjuaugmb8scvrl@4ax.com>:

>
>
>https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>
>
>And that's just TI. Boggling.

Not sure how serious I take that
I downloaded the 'datasheet' for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback Paths'

Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array but no pin function list.
so 4 Giggle samples per second ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).

Not usable with that data.

But more and more integration indeed.

Too many pins...
Maybe just for thermal...

On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:01:10 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <t414hf$qah$1@dont-email.me>:

>On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
><1p286h126b5jr3km7052fjuaugmb8scvrl@4ax.com>:
>
>>
>>
>>https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>
>>
>>And that's just TI. Boggling.
>
>Not sure how serious I take that
>I downloaded the 'datasheet' for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback Paths'
>
>Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array but no pin function list.
>so 4 Giggle samples per second ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).
>
>Not usable with that data.
>
>But more and more integration indeed.
>
>Too many pins...
>Maybe just for thermal...

My opinion
dataheet written by complete electronics moron
He explains ADC (but everybody doing electronics knows that)
but GSPS in capitals is the wrong notation for Gsamples/second.
No block diagram is a FAILURE!
Why bother to check the rest of the crap blurbs they publish.

On 23/04/2022 16:21, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>
> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>
>
> And that's just TI. Boggling.
>

Agreed - there's lots of interesting things there.

But can they actually deliver them? That's the big challenge these days.

On 4/23/2022 10:21 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>
> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>
>
> And that's just TI. Boggling.
>
>
>

But sadly no quantity of OPA4322 until into 2023, 1.8 volt CMOS op amp
with 20 MHz GBW and 10uS slew rate.

<https://www.mouser.com/c/?q=OPA4322>

Hmpf! I used that one a lot pre-pandemic, IIRC AD didn't have anything
near as nice in the low voltage/CMOS department for the price a few
years back.

23.04.22 17:21, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>
>https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>
>
>And that's just TI. Boggling.
>
>
>
There was an episode of The Amp Hour a while back, interviewing a guy doings ASICs. He did over 50 designs per year, one guy

--
Klaus

On 2022-04-23 18:58, David Brown wrote:
> On 23/04/2022 16:21, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>
>>
>> And that's just TI. Boggling.
>>
>
> Agreed - there's lots of interesting things there.
>
> But can they actually deliver them? That's the big challenge these days.
>
>

More likely they're waiting to see who will order a few million.

Jeroen Belleman

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:39:09 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:01:10 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in <t414hf$qah$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
> >jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
> ><1p286h126b5jr3km7...@4ax.com>:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
> >>
> >>
> >>And that's just TI. Boggling.
> >
> >Not sure how serious I take that
> >I downloaded the 'datasheet' for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback Paths'
> >
> >Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array but no pin function list.
> >so 4 Giggle samples per second ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).
> >
> >Not usable with that data.
> >
> >But more and more integration indeed.
> >
> >Too many pins...
> >Maybe just for thermal...
> My opinion
> dataheet written by complete electronics moron
> He explains ADC (but everybody doing electronics knows that)
> but GSPS in capitals is the wrong notation for Gsamples/second.

What is the correct notation for giga samples/second?

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On 2022-04-23 23:34, Ricky wrote:
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:39:09 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:01:10 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in <t414hf$qah$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
>>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>>> <1p286h126b5jr3km7...@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And that's just TI. Boggling.
>>>
>>> Not sure how serious I take that
>>> I downloaded the 'datasheet' for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback Paths'
>>>
>>> Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array but no pin function list.
>>> so 4 Giggle samples per second ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).
>>>
>>> Not usable with that data.
>>>
>>> But more and more integration indeed.
>>>
>>> Too many pins...
>>> Maybe just for thermal...
>> My opinion
>> dataheet written by complete electronics moron
>> He explains ADC (but everybody doing electronics knows that)
>> but GSPS in capitals is the wrong notation for Gsamples/second.
>
> What is the correct notation for giga samples/second?
>

I'd go with Gsamples/s. In a sufficiently unambiguous context,
maybe GS/s will do. (They wouldn't be talking about the rate of
change of conductance in a treatise on ADCs, now, would they?)

'Samples' is the only unit without a universally accepted
abbreviation.

Jeroen Belleman

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> On 2022-04-23 23:34, Ricky wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:39:09 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:01:10 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
> >> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in <t414hf$qah$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
> >>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
> >>> <1p286h126b5jr3km7...@4ax.com>:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And that's just TI. Boggling.
> >>>
> >>> Not sure how serious I take that
> >>> I downloaded the 'datasheet' for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback Paths'
> >>>
> >>> Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array but no pin function list.
> >>> so 4 Giggle samples per second ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).
> >>>
> >>> Not usable with that data.
> >>>
> >>> But more and more integration indeed.
> >>>
> >>> Too many pins...
> >>> Maybe just for thermal...
> >> My opinion
> >> dataheet written by complete electronics moron
> >> He explains ADC (but everybody doing electronics knows that)
> >> but GSPS in capitals is the wrong notation for Gsamples/second.
> >
> > What is the correct notation for giga samples/second?
> >
> I'd go with Gsamples/s. In a sufficiently unambiguous context,
> maybe GS/s will do. (They wouldn't be talking about the rate of
> change of conductance in a treatise on ADCs, now, would they?)
>
> 'Samples' is the only unit without a universally accepted
> abbreviation.

I'm not following the thinking. Everyone I've met is comfortable with the MSPS or even just SPS notation. Why is GSPS the odd duck? Why is S not an accepted abbreviation for "samples"? Because it's not an SI unit? Neither is HP, but in very common usage.

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 20:22:14 +0300, Klaus Kragelund
<klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote:

>23.04.22 17:21, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>
>>
>>And that's just TI. Boggling.
>>
>>
>>
>There was an episode of The Amp Hour a while back, interviewing a guy doings ASICs. He did over 50 designs per year, one guy

If TI introduces, say, one new part per day, can they support them?
Will they still be in production 10 years from now?

I tried to get some support for one TI part. The guy said "that's a
Burr-Brown part, nobody knows much about that."

--

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 23:47:27 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

>On 2022-04-23 23:34, Ricky wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:39:09 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:01:10 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
>>> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in <t414hf$qah$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
>>>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>>>> <1p286h126b5jr3km7...@4ax.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And that's just TI. Boggling.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure how serious I take that
>>>> I downloaded the 'datasheet' for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback Paths'
>>>>
>>>> Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array but no pin function list.
>>>> so 4 Giggle samples per second ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).
>>>>
>>>> Not usable with that data.
>>>>
>>>> But more and more integration indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Too many pins...
>>>> Maybe just for thermal...
>>> My opinion
>>> dataheet written by complete electronics moron
>>> He explains ADC (but everybody doing electronics knows that)
>>> but GSPS in capitals is the wrong notation for Gsamples/second.
>>
>> What is the correct notation for giga samples/second?
>>
>
>I'd go with Gsamples/s. In a sufficiently unambiguous context,
>maybe GS/s will do. (They wouldn't be talking about the rate of
>change of conductance in a treatise on ADCs, now, would they?)
>
>'Samples' is the only unit without a universally accepted
>abbreviation.

Yes, because there are no units associated with a sample in the
abstract, the units being those of whatever is being sampled.

Mathematically, a sample is what one gets when multiplying a function
of time by a Dirac Delta function.

Joe Gwinn

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 4:46:20 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> I tried to get some support for one TI part. The guy said "that's a
> Burr-Brown part, nobody knows much about that."
> --

And they're still using Burr-Brown branding for their newly-introduced
JFETs (JFE2140). I thought that was odd.

-- john, KE5FX

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>
> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>
>
> And that's just TI. Boggling.

And EVERYTING is out of stock. Vaporware for all practical purposes. How do
you design something with some part that is "new" and unobtanium at the same
time?

I can make a thousand such "new parts" per month, all better than anything
else and several times cheaper than existing best parts. The only problem is
that those "new parts" don't really exist but who cares?

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Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
====================
>
> >
> > https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
> >
> > And that's just TI. Boggling.

> And EVERYTING is out of stock. Vaporware for all practical purposes. How do
> you design something with some part that is "new" and unobtanium at the same
> time?

** A lot of the new parts were described as "automotive".
Guess that is a a really big market area for such tech lately.

So designers are specing them for new car designs all over the place.
Then the expected stock fails to appear.
Hence the shortage of a great many new cars models - if even just one chip is missing.

...... Phil

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:04:03 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 3:51:11 AM UTC+10, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> > On 2022-04-23 18:58, David Brown wrote:
> > > On 23/04/2022 16:21, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> And that's just TI. Boggling.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Agreed - there's lots of interesting things there.
> > >
> > > But can they actually deliver them? That's the big challenge these days.
> > >
> > >
> > More likely they're waiting to see who will order a few million.
> When I was much younger - in the 1970's - TI was known to publish a data sheet before they'd done the detailed design of the part. If it didn't generate enough orders, they didn't bother to complete the design or put it into production. They could be waiting to see if *anybody* will order a few million.

I thought that was Maxim! lol

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Am 23.04.22 um 17:01 schrieb Jan Panteltje:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
> <1p286h126b5jr3km7052fjuaugmb8scvrl@4ax.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>
>>
>> And that's just TI. Boggling.
>
> Not sure how serious I take that
> I downloaded the 'datasheet' for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback Paths'
>
> Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array but no pin function list.
> so 4 Giggle samples per second ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).

If you have to google what GSPS stands for, you obviously have
no use for the full data sheet.

MSPS and GSPS is absolutely common.

< https://www.analog.com/en/parametricsearch/10826#/ >

> Not usable with that data.
>
> But more and more integration indeed.
>
> Too many pins...
> Maybe just for thermal...

blafasel.

Gerhard

On a sunny day (Sun, 24 Apr 2022 09:00:07 +0200) it happened Gerhard Hoffmann
<dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote in <t42shn$1b52f$1@solani.org>:

>Am 23.04.22 um 17:01 schrieb Jan Panteltje:
>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>> <1p286h126b5jr3km7052fjuaugmb8scvrl@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's just TI. Boggling.
>>
>> Not sure how serious I take that
>> I downloaded the 'datasheet' for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback Paths'
>>
>> Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array but no pin function list.
>> so 4 Giggle samples per second ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).
>
>If you have to google what GSPS stands for, you obviously have
>no use for the full data sheet.

Oh, you know it all asshole

>MSPS and GSPS is absolutely common.
>
>< https://www.analog.com/en/parametricsearch/10826#/ >
>
>
>> Not usable with that data.
>>
>> But more and more integration indeed.
>>
>> Too many pins...
>> Maybe just for thermal...
>
>blafasel.

Its a crap 'datasheet' makes no sense whatsoever, maybe some intern training for sales droid made it
Best of luck with it,
and you seem to not know the difference between ground penetrating radar and metal coil detectors either.

Lots of things are common that are wrong, like soem of your postings for example.

:-)

On 4/24/2022 10:00, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
> Am 23.04.22 um 17:01 schrieb Jan Panteltje:
>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>> <1p286h126b5jr3km7052fjuaugmb8scvrl@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's just TI. Boggling.
>>
>> Not sure how serious I take that
>> I downloaded the 'datasheet' for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF
>> Transceiver with Feedback Paths'
>>
>> Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array but no
>> pin function list.
>> so 4 Giggle samples per second ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS
>> stood for).
>
> If you have to google what GSPS stands for, you obviously have
> no use for the full data sheet.
>
> MSPS and GSPS is absolutely common.
>

Common and have been that for decades of course. When I designed our
first HPGe MCA acquisition front end with direct digitizing
( http://tgi-sci.com/tgi/hstb.htm ), DSP etc. MSPS was already common,
that was late 90-s.
And of course you are right that someone who does not understand the
term has no use for a complete datasheet, but the lack of a decent
datasheet (which I did not bother to look at so I just accept it
is crap from what was said in other posts) speaks a lot about the
state of the product. Or about the willingness to sell it to
anyone, things get worse by the day in that respect...

On 04/24/2022 03:41 AM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
>
> I can make a thousand such "new parts" per month, all better than anything
> else and several times cheaper than existing best parts. The only problem is
> that those "new parts" don't really exist but who cares?
>
I guess they're mimicking the financial Industry, now.

On 4/24/2022 14:38, Johann Klammer wrote:
> On 04/24/2022 03:41 AM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
>>
>> I can make a thousand such "new parts" per month, all better than anything
>> else and several times cheaper than existing best parts. The only problem is
>> that those "new parts" don't really exist but who cares?
>>
> I guess they're mimicking the financial Industry, now.
>

It has grown into new, seemingly huge proportions but it is not anything
new.
Back in 1992/1993 I had designed in a SCSI interface part from a
catalog (naive beginner), I think the firms was called Emulex
or something like that.
When I got the first version of the PCB I had already understood the
error I had made (the part had never been produced, not even in
prototype quantities I think); so I had to redesign the board with an
NCR53CF96, a real part...
The first unit ( http://tgi-sci.com/tgi/fr64.gif ) had a huge
230 megabytes of a 2.5" SCSI HDD inside, which cost me a fortune
(no www to search for bargains, bought it from Apple at something
close to $1k IIRC). Shortly after magnetoresistive R/W heads came
into being, 2.5" SCSI peaked at 810 MB and among other things made
life easier in terms of magnetic field interference compared to life
with inductive heads. And forced me into doing ATA, now SATA, into
further products...

On 2022-04-24 01:39, Ricky wrote:
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman
> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-23 23:34, Ricky wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:39:09 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje
>>> wrote:
>>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:01:10 GMT) it happened Jan
>>>> Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> <t414hf$qah$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
>>>>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>>>>> <1p286h126b5jr3km7...@4ax.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
And that's just TI. Boggling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure how serious I take that I downloaded the 'datasheet'
>>>>> for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback
>>>>> Paths'
>>>>>
>>>>> Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array
>>>>> but no pin function list. so 4 Giggle samples per second
>>>>> ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).
>>>>>
>>>>> Not usable with that data.
>>>>>
>>>>> But more and more integration indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too many pins... Maybe just for thermal...
>>>> My opinion dataheet written by complete electronics moron He
>>>> explains ADC (but everybody doing electronics knows that) but
>>>> GSPS in capitals is the wrong notation for Gsamples/second.
>>>
>>> What is the correct notation for giga samples/second?
>>>
>> I'd go with Gsamples/s. In a sufficiently unambiguous context,
>> maybe GS/s will do. (They wouldn't be talking about the rate of
>> change of conductance in a treatise on ADCs, now, would they?)
>>
>> 'Samples' is the only unit without a universally accepted
>> abbreviation.
>
> I'm not following the thinking. Everyone I've met is comfortable
> with the MSPS or even just SPS notation. Why is GSPS the odd duck?
> Why is S not an accepted abbreviation for "samples"? Because it's
> not an SI unit? Neither is HP, but in very common usage.
>

Oh, I understand it, but _I_ would write Gsamples/s, Msamples/s,
ksamples/s, etc. I'm OK with 'S' for 'samples' if the context
makes it unambiguous, I already said. I'm _not_ OK with 'S' for
'seconds'. It should be lower case 's'.

HP should be stamped out altogether. Use kW.

I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to units.

Jeroen Belleman

On 4/24/2022 7:38 AM, Johann Klammer wrote:
> On 04/24/2022 03:41 AM, Sergey Kubushyn wrote:
>>
>> I can make a thousand such "new parts" per month, all better than anything
>> else and several times cheaper than existing best parts. The only problem is
>> that those "new parts" don't really exist but who cares?
>>
> I guess they're mimicking the financial Industry, now.
>

Publish or perish mentality "What has your R&D department been doing?"
"Well not much really except pitching in in other departments to be
ready to best support our extant product lines, while we wait on the
supply chain to stabilize"

Yeah, share holders don't wanna hear that.

On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 10:01:33 AM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> On 2022-04-24 01:39, Ricky wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman
> > wrote:
> >> On 2022-04-23 23:34, Ricky wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:39:09 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:01:10 GMT) it happened Jan
> >>>> Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >>>> <t414hf$qah$1...@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
> >>>>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
> >>>>> <1p286h126b5jr3km7...@4ax.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> And that's just TI. Boggling.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not sure how serious I take that I downloaded the 'datasheet'
> >>>>> for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback
> >>>>> Paths'
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array
> >>>>> but no pin function list. so 4 Giggle samples per second
> >>>>> ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not usable with that data.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But more and more integration indeed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Too many pins... Maybe just for thermal...
> >>>> My opinion dataheet written by complete electronics moron He
> >>>> explains ADC (but everybody doing electronics knows that) but
> >>>> GSPS in capitals is the wrong notation for Gsamples/second.
> >>>
> >>> What is the correct notation for giga samples/second?
> >>>
> >> I'd go with Gsamples/s. In a sufficiently unambiguous context,
> >> maybe GS/s will do. (They wouldn't be talking about the rate of
> >> change of conductance in a treatise on ADCs, now, would they?)
> >>
> >> 'Samples' is the only unit without a universally accepted
> >> abbreviation.
> >
> > I'm not following the thinking. Everyone I've met is comfortable
> > with the MSPS or even just SPS notation. Why is GSPS the odd duck?
> > Why is S not an accepted abbreviation for "samples"? Because it's
> > not an SI unit? Neither is HP, but in very common usage.
> >
> Oh, I understand it, but _I_ would write Gsamples/s, Msamples/s,
> ksamples/s, etc. I'm OK with 'S' for 'samples' if the context
> makes it unambiguous, I already said. I'm _not_ OK with 'S' for
> 'seconds'. It should be lower case 's'.
>
> HP should be stamped out altogether. Use kW.
>
> I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to units.

You are trying to treat this as if it were something akin to SI units. It's nothing like that. It is just an abbreviation, in such common usage that no one with any experience at all should know the usage.

If you don't want to write what the rest of the world writes, that's fine, but don't expect to never have to read it. That's like wanting to hear "get" instead of "git". When I pay attention, it is surprising how few people say "get". I can say "get" all day long and others are not going to change.

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On 4/24/2022 17:01, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
> On 2022-04-24 01:39, Ricky wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-4, Jeroen Belleman
>> wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-23 23:34, Ricky wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:39:09 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 15:01:10 GMT) it happened Jan
>>>>> Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>> <t414hf$qah$1...@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 23 Apr 2022 07:21:10 -0700) it happened
>>>>>> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>>>>>> <1p286h126b5jr3km7...@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.ti.com/prod-list/new-products?releasePeriod=364
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
> And that's just TI. Boggling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure how serious I take that I downloaded the 'datasheet'
>>>>>> for the 'AFE8092 Octal-Channel RF Transceiver with Feedback
>>>>>> Paths'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not even a block diagram, and big pictures of ballgrid array
>>>>>> but no pin function list. so 4 Giggle samples per second
>>>>>> ADCs... (after figuring out what GSPS stood for).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not usable with that data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But more and more integration indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too many pins... Maybe just for thermal...
>>>>> My opinion dataheet written by complete electronics moron He
>>>>> explains ADC (but everybody doing electronics knows that) but
>>>>> GSPS in capitals is the wrong notation for Gsamples/second.
>>>>
>>>> What is the correct notation for giga samples/second?
>>>>
>>> I'd go with Gsamples/s. In a sufficiently unambiguous context,
>>> maybe GS/s will do. (They wouldn't be talking about the rate of
>>> change of conductance in a treatise on ADCs, now, would they?)
>>>
>>> 'Samples' is the only unit without a universally accepted
>>> abbreviation.
>>
>> I'm not following the thinking.  Everyone I've met is comfortable
>> with the MSPS or even just SPS notation.  Why is GSPS the odd duck?
>> Why is S not an accepted abbreviation for "samples"?  Because it's
>> not an SI unit?  Neither is HP, but in very common usage.
>>
>
> Oh, I understand it, but _I_ would write Gsamples/s, Msamples/s,
> ksamples/s, etc. I'm OK with 'S' for 'samples' if the context
> makes it unambiguous, I already said. I'm _not_ OK with 'S' for
> 'seconds'. It should be lower case 's'.

Come on, MSPS is OK (of course I know you understand it).
BTW someone pointed me to the fact that I was wrongly using S for
seconds (had been doing so for ages) just 2-3 years ago, I
changed since - never too late to mend :-).
But I keep MSPS, somewhat resisting the temptation to write
MSPs, it is sort of an old idiom to me.

>
> HP should be stamped out altogether. Use kW.

Hah! I thought he meant Hewlet-Packard...(I really did).
I do think in Watts when it comes to power obviously, like
pretty much all of us, but when it comes to car/engine power
I think horse powers... (but in Bulgarian, so HP did not
speak to me).

>
> I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to units.

I am lax about it as long as things are clear enough, ambiguity
can be a killer. May be being a purist is better than my
attitude but, like John says, "we are what we are" :-).
And of course I hate inches, I always have to convert to mm
to grasp it. And for pounds, pints, gallons etc. I still have to
use the web...