On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 10:41:21 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 9:32:36 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:14:51 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > >> > <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:09:19 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > >> > >> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > >> > >> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > >> > >> But they, while their companions slept,
> > >> > >> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Hi Mack.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Please see 8) in our Guidelines, below:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQS
> > >> > Please feel free to kill file me, but your group is too undisciplined
> > >> > to have rules. What percentage of the group's posts are flames? This
> > >> > is why I haven't been here too much. You need to crack down on
> > >> > trouble makers.
> > >> >
> > >> > I see a poem or a verse that might interest some, and I post it. You
> > >> > can take it whatever way you want to. Use you imagination.
> > >> >
> > >> > This verse happens to be the essence of the poem. Easy enough to
> > >> > Google and find the rest. The verse is one of my favorites. I taught
> > >> > at St. Augustine's College in Nassau, Bahamas.
> > >> >
> > >> > Love and Peace!~
> > >> Mack, here's a quote from George Dance, in which he describes exactly the way Michael Pendragon wants to play here:
> > >>
> > >> "I think the biggest lie is that there is a 'cease-fire'. As you know, Pendragon hasn't stopped fighting; he's merely decided to concentrate his fighting with one target only. He's explained it: "> If everyone in AAPC fights with Will, then Will comes across as either a troll, or (at best) someone who doesn't fit in with the rest of the group. OTOH, if the majority of AAPC members attack Will, Rachel, Zod, GD, Jordy's Creepy Uncle, PJR, Ilya, and others, Will can pretend that he and his "friends" are being unfairly attacked/trolled by a group of cyberbullies." IOW, if a gang of bullies tries attacking a bunch of kids, they'll look like a gang of bullies; but if they just attack one person, it'll look like that one person's fault." -George Dance
> > >>
> > >> https://news.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=169605&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#169605
> >
> > > In which case you should be delighted to have Mack in the crosshairs beside you.
> > It doesn't look like Mack has taken a side, actually.
> Mack has chosen to play the troll. Therefore he is on your "team" by default.
>
> "Trolls of a feather..." as the old saying goes.

Houston, we have a problem. I kinda like the nut.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:27:21 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:23:17 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:21:44 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:17:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:32:31 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:59:39 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > >> >> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:14:51 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> >On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:09:19 PM UTC-5, Mack A.. Damia wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > > > > >> >> >> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > >> >> >> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > > > > >> >> >> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > > > > >> >> >> But they, while their companions slept,
> > > > > >> >> >> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >Hi Mack.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >Please see 8) in our Guidelines, below:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> >AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQS
> > > > > >> >> Please feel free to kill file me, but your group is too undisciplined
> > > > > >> >> to have rules. What percentage of the group's posts are flames? This
> > > > > >> >> is why I haven't been here too much. You need to crack down on
> > > > > >> >> trouble makers.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Unfortunately, you are choosing to make yourself one of the troublemakers.
> > > > > >> Then you will miss what I have to offer, won't you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Unfortunately, one cannot miss posts. One can only block them after the fact.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I mentioned to another group that I post what makes me feel good. I
> > > > > >> avoid flaming, and that is to say you can take it or leave it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This is a *discussion* group. If you want to post poetry by well known authors, you should do so at rec.arts.poems. That is what that group was created for.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >If you continue to post such poetry here without comments, you *are* flaming the group -- and shall be treated like a troll for doing so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Your choice.
> > > > > How many posts in this group get 29 replies? Granted, a few of the
> > > > > posts are mine.
> > > > >
> > > > > You will miss the train because you are arguing with the tricket
> > > > > master (for this thread). Open your eyes, ears and most of all your
> > > > > mind.
> > > > Well put.
> > > What's "well put,
> > Mack's post.
> Mack's whacked. What's a "tricket" and how does one master it?

I don’t think there is such a thing as a tricket. I think he made a spelling error,
and that you’re laming him for it, because that’s the level of discourse with which
you are comfortable. Pick on somebody your own size. My ego is bigger than yours.

On 2022-11-12 1:12 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:37:41 -0500, "George J. Dance"
> <georgedance04@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>>
>>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
>>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>>>
>>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
>>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
>>> But they, while their companions slept,
>>> Were toiling upward in the night."
>>>
>>
>> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
>>
>> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
>>
>> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
>
> It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
> (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
> poem.

No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
can post it in here:

"The Ladder of St. Augustine"
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:15:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 9:32:36 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 5:21:46 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> > On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:14:51 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> >> >> > <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:09:19 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> >> >> > >> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> >> >> > >> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> >> >> > >> But they, while their companions slept,
> >> >> > >> Were toiling upward in the night."
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Hi Mack.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Please see 8) in our Guidelines, below:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQS
> >> >> > Please feel free to kill file me, but your group is too undisciplined
> >> >> > to have rules. What percentage of the group's posts are flames? This
> >> >> > is why I haven't been here too much. You need to crack down on
> >> >> > trouble makers.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I see a poem or a verse that might interest some, and I post it. You
> >> >> > can take it whatever way you want to. Use you imagination.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This verse happens to be the essence of the poem. Easy enough to
> >> >> > Google and find the rest. The verse is one of my favorites. I taught
> >> >> > at St. Augustine's College in Nassau, Bahamas.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Love and Peace!~
> >> >> Mack, here's a quote from George Dance, in which he describes exactly the way Michael Pendragon wants to play here:
> >> >>
> >> >> "I think the biggest lie is that there is a 'cease-fire'. As you know, Pendragon hasn't stopped fighting; he's merely decided to concentrate his fighting with one target only. He's explained it: "> If everyone in AAPC fights with Will, then Will comes across as either a troll, or (at best) someone who doesn't fit in with the rest of the group. OTOH, if the majority of AAPC members attack Will, Rachel, Zod, GD, Jordy's Creepy Uncle, PJR, Ilya, and others, Will can pretend that he and his "friends" are being unfairly attacked/trolled by a group of cyberbullies." IOW, if a gang of bullies tries attacking a bunch of kids, they'll look like a gang of bullies; but if they just attack one person, it'll look like that one person's fault." -George Dance
> >> >>
> >> >> https://news.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=169605&group=alt..arts.poetry.comments#169605
> >>
> >> > In which case you should be delighted to have Mack in the crosshairs beside you.
> >> It doesn't look like Mack has taken a side, actually.
>
> > Mack has chosen to play the troll
> Says Michael Pendragon, the biggest troll on the newsgroup.
>
> HTH and HAND.

What do you mean by the biggest troll? Are there different sizes?
I know as a simple matter of personal fact that I have the biggest
ego in the group, but I have no idea how that relates to troll size.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:52:16 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:27:21 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:23:17 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:21:44 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:17:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:32:31 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:59:39 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 AM UTC-5, Mack A.. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:14:51 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:09:19 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> >> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > > > > > >> >> >> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> >> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > > > > > >> >> >> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > > > > > >> >> >> But they, while their companions slept,
> > > > > > >> >> >> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> >Hi Mack.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> >Please see 8) in our Guidelines, below:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> >AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQS
> > > > > > >> >> Please feel free to kill file me, but your group is too undisciplined
> > > > > > >> >> to have rules. What percentage of the group's posts are flames? This
> > > > > > >> >> is why I haven't been here too much. You need to crack down on
> > > > > > >> >> trouble makers.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >Unfortunately, you are choosing to make yourself one of the troublemakers.
> > > > > > >> Then you will miss what I have to offer, won't you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Unfortunately, one cannot miss posts. One can only block them after the fact.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I mentioned to another group that I post what makes me feel good. I
> > > > > > >> avoid flaming, and that is to say you can take it or leave it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This is a *discussion* group. If you want to post poetry by well known authors, you should do so at rec.arts.poems. That is what that group was created for.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >If you continue to post such poetry here without comments, you *are* flaming the group -- and shall be treated like a troll for doing so.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Your choice.
> > > > > > How many posts in this group get 29 replies? Granted, a few of the
> > > > > > posts are mine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You will miss the train because you are arguing with the tricket
> > > > > > master (for this thread). Open your eyes, ears and most of all your
> > > > > > mind.
> > > > > Well put.
> > > > What's "well put,
> > > Mack's post.
> > Mack's whacked. What's a "tricket" and how does one master it?
> I don’t think there is such a thing as a tricket. I think he made a spelling error,
> and that you’re laming him for it, because that’s the level of discourse with which
> you are comfortable. Pick on somebody your own size. My ego is bigger than yours.

SONNET TO COREY'S EGO

Your ego's bigger than a tick
In length (it's only half as thick);
Were egos feet, your needle dick
Could prick a flea. You must be sick
To think your ego counts as big --
Were egos sticks, you'd have a twig
Too puny to support a fig,
You really must have flipped your wig.
As egos go, yours runs quite small
So small it's barely there at all,
You're playing golf without a ball
And riding, purblind, for a fall.
My ego calls your ego "wee"
And knows you wish that you were me.

Sorry I'm untimely late as always, but I say any time is timely for a lively napalm delivery!

Oh, so this is alt.arts.poetry.postwhateverthefuckyouwant?
because sWill and his crew have nothing, let alone poetry commentary that's worth a fuck
you losers then need to stop whining about what I post, like you said, "and post however you see fit, Mack"-- with no rules
seeing all the readers that Dance, sWill and Sod aren't attracting to RAP which they run, they'll also run AAPC into the ground...

They're "real" poet, didn't you know it?
but their posting doesn't show it.
Despite how many claims their egos blow
it's still just their usual shit slinging show

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:52:59 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:52:16 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:27:21 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:23:17 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:21:44 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:17:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:32:31 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:59:39 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:14:51 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:09:19 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> >> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > > > > > > >> >> >> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> >> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > > > > > > >> >> >> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > > > > > > >> >> >> But they, while their companions slept,
> > > > > > > >> >> >> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> >Hi Mack.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> >Please see 8) in our Guidelines, below:
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> >AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQS
> > > > > > > >> >> Please feel free to kill file me, but your group is too undisciplined
> > > > > > > >> >> to have rules. What percentage of the group's posts are flames? This
> > > > > > > >> >> is why I haven't been here too much. You need to crack down on
> > > > > > > >> >> trouble makers.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >Unfortunately, you are choosing to make yourself one of the troublemakers.
> > > > > > > >> Then you will miss what I have to offer, won't you?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Unfortunately, one cannot miss posts. One can only block them after the fact.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> I mentioned to another group that I post what makes me feel good. I
> > > > > > > >> avoid flaming, and that is to say you can take it or leave it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >This is a *discussion* group. If you want to post poetry by well known authors, you should do so at rec.arts.poems. That is what that group was created for.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >If you continue to post such poetry here without comments, you *are* flaming the group -- and shall be treated like a troll for doing so.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Your choice.
> > > > > > > How many posts in this group get 29 replies? Granted, a few of the
> > > > > > > posts are mine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You will miss the train because you are arguing with the tricket
> > > > > > > master (for this thread). Open your eyes, ears and most of all your
> > > > > > > mind.
> > > > > > Well put.
> > > > > What's "well put,
> > > > Mack's post.
> > > Mack's whacked. What's a "tricket" and how does one master it?
> > I don’t think there is such a thing as a tricket. I think he made a spelling error,
> > and that you’re laming him for it, because that’s the level of discourse with which
> > you are comfortable. Pick on somebody your own size. My ego is bigger than yours.
> SONNET TO COREY'S EGO
>
> Your ego's bigger than a tick
> In length (it's only half as thick);
> Were egos feet, your needle dick
> Could prick a flea. You must be sick
> To think your ego counts as big --
> Were egos sticks, you'd have a twig
> Too puny to support a fig,
> You really must have flipped your wig.
> As egos go, yours runs quite small
> So small it's barely there at all,
> You're playing golf without a ball
> And riding, purblind, for a fall.
> My ego calls your ego "wee"
> And knows you wish that you were me.

Thank you for your sonnet to my ego.
My ego decides wherever we go.
Would that you could be my amigo,
were it not for the size of my goddam ego.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:06:38 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:52:59 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:52:16 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:27:21 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:23:17 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:21:44 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:17:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:32:31 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > > <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A.. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:59:39 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > > >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:14:51 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
> > > > > > > > >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> >On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:09:19 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> >> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > > > > > > > >> >> >> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> >> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > > > > > > > >> >> >> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > > > > > > > >> >> >> But they, while their companions slept,
> > > > > > > > >> >> >> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> >Hi Mack.
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> >Please see 8) in our Guidelines, below:
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> >AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQS
> > > > > > > > >> >> Please feel free to kill file me, but your group is too undisciplined
> > > > > > > > >> >> to have rules. What percentage of the group's posts are flames? This
> > > > > > > > >> >> is why I haven't been here too much. You need to crack down on
> > > > > > > > >> >> trouble makers.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >Unfortunately, you are choosing to make yourself one of the troublemakers.
> > > > > > > > >> Then you will miss what I have to offer, won't you?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Unfortunately, one cannot miss posts. One can only block them after the fact.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> I mentioned to another group that I post what makes me feel good. I
> > > > > > > > >> avoid flaming, and that is to say you can take it or leave it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >This is a *discussion* group. If you want to post poetry by well known authors, you should do so at rec.arts.poems. That is what that group was created for.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >If you continue to post such poetry here without comments, you *are* flaming the group -- and shall be treated like a troll for doing so.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Your choice.
> > > > > > > > How many posts in this group get 29 replies? Granted, a few of the
> > > > > > > > posts are mine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You will miss the train because you are arguing with the tricket
> > > > > > > > master (for this thread). Open your eyes, ears and most of all your
> > > > > > > > mind.
> > > > > > > Well put.
> > > > > > What's "well put,
> > > > > Mack's post.
> > > > Mack's whacked. What's a "tricket" and how does one master it?
> > > I don’t think there is such a thing as a tricket. I think he made a spelling error,
> > > and that you’re laming him for it, because that’s the level of discourse with which
> > > you are comfortable. Pick on somebody your own size. My ego is bigger than yours.
> > SONNET TO COREY'S EGO
> >
> > Your ego's bigger than a tick
> > In length (it's only half as thick);
> > Were egos feet, your needle dick
> > Could prick a flea. You must be sick
> > To think your ego counts as big --
> > Were egos sticks, you'd have a twig
> > Too puny to support a fig,
> > You really must have flipped your wig.
> > As egos go, yours runs quite small
> > So small it's barely there at all,
> > You're playing golf without a ball
> > And riding, purblind, for a fall.
> > My ego calls your ego "wee"
> > And knows you wish that you were me.
> Thank you for your sonnet to my ego.
> My ego decides wherever we go.
> Would that you could be my amigo,
> were it not for the size of my goddam ego.

Irrespective of my penis,
my ego still stands between us,
keeping us from being friends,
like quarterbacks with their tight ends.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-12 1:12 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:37:41 -0500, "George J. Dance"
> > <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> >>>
> >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> >>> But they, while their companions slept,
> >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
> >>>
> >>
> >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
> >>
> >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
> >>
> >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
> >
> > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
> > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
> > poem.
>
> No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
> can post it in here:
> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine

Good poem.

Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-12 1:12 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:37:41 -0500, "George J. Dance"
> > > <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > >>>
> > >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > >>> But they, while their companions slept,
> > >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
> > >>
> > >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
> > >>
> > >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
> > >
> > > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
> > > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
> > > poem.
> >
> > No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
> > can post it in here:
> > "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine
> Good poem.
>
> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?

Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.

Spam-I-Am wrote:

> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > On 2022-11-12 1:12 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:37:41 -0500, "George J. Dance"
>> > > <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
>> > >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>> > >>>
>> > >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
>> > >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
>> > >>> But they, while their companions slept,
>> > >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
>> > >>
>> > >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
>> > >>
>> > >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
>> > >
>> > > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
>> > > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
>> > > poem.
>> >
>> > No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
>> > can post it in here:
>> > "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
>> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine
>> Good poem.
>>
>> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?

> Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.

Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.

Good to know.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Spam-I-Am wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > On 2022-11-12 1:12 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:37:41 -0500, "George J. Dance"
> >> > > <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> >> > >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> >> > >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> >> > >>> But they, while their companions slept,
> >> > >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
> >> > >
> >> > > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
> >> > > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
> >> > > poem.
> >> >
> >> > No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
> >> > can post it in here:
> >> > "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> >> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine
> >> Good poem.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
>
> > Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
> Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
>
> Good to know.

It wasn’t petty, like jealousy, but it was very personal.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 02:52:14 -0800 (PST), Spam-I-Am
<hieronymous707@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:27:21 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:23:17 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:21:44 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:17:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> > > > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:32:31 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> > > > > <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> > > > > >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:59:39 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> > > > > >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> >On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:48:08 AM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> > > > > >> >> On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:14:51 -0800 (PST), Michael Pendragon
>> > > > > >> >> <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> >On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 1:09:19 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>> > > > > >> >> >> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
>> > > > > >> >> >> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>> > > > > >> >> >>
>> > > > > >> >> >> "The heights by great men reached and kept
>> > > > > >> >> >> Were not attained by sudden flight,
>> > > > > >> >> >> But they, while their companions slept,
>> > > > > >> >> >> Were toiling upward in the night."
>> > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > >> >> >Hi Mack.
>> > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > >> >> >Please see 8) in our Guidelines, below:
>> > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > >> >> >AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQS
>> > > > > >> >> Please feel free to kill file me, but your group is too undisciplined
>> > > > > >> >> to have rules. What percentage of the group's posts are flames? This
>> > > > > >> >> is why I haven't been here too much. You need to crack down on
>> > > > > >> >> trouble makers.
>> > > > > >> >
>> > > > > >> >Unfortunately, you are choosing to make yourself one of the troublemakers.
>> > > > > >> Then you will miss what I have to offer, won't you?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >Unfortunately, one cannot miss posts. One can only block them after the fact.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> I mentioned to another group that I post what makes me feel good. I
>> > > > > >> avoid flaming, and that is to say you can take it or leave it.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >This is a *discussion* group. If you want to post poetry by well known authors, you should do so at rec.arts.poems. That is what that group was created for.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >If you continue to post such poetry here without comments, you *are* flaming the group -- and shall be treated like a troll for doing so.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >Your choice.
>> > > > > How many posts in this group get 29 replies? Granted, a few of the
>> > > > > posts are mine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You will miss the train because you are arguing with the tricket
>> > > > > master (for this thread). Open your eyes, ears and most of all your
>> > > > > mind.
>> > > > Well put.
>> > > What's "well put,
>> > Mack's post.
>> Mack's whacked. What's a "tricket" and how does one master it?
>
>I don’t think there is such a thing as a tricket. I think he made a spelling error,
>and that you’re laming him for it, because that’s the level of discourse with which
>you are comfortable. Pick on somebody your own size. My ego is bigger than yours.

You are correct, and I just caught the error while catching up with
the latest posts.

"ticket-master"

https://www.storypick.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/mistakecover.jpg

(Paranoia also includes feelings of superiority - "Grandiosity
paranoia")

Mack A. Damia wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 02:52:14 -0800 (PST), Spam-I-Am
> <hieronymous707@gmail.com> wrote:

>>On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:27:21 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:23:17 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:21:44 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:17:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>
>>> > > > > >> >> >> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
>>> > > > > >> >> >> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>>> > > > > >> >> >>
>>> > > > > >> >> >> "The heights by great men reached and kept
>>> > > > > >> >> >> Were not attained by sudden flight,
>>> > > > > >> >> >> But they, while their companions slept,
>>> > > > > >> >> >> Were toiling upward in the night."
>>> > > > > >> >> >
>>> > > > > >> >> >Hi Mack.
>>> > > > > >> >> >
>>> > > > > >> >> >Please see 8) in our Guidelines, below:
>>> > > > > >> >> >
>>> > > > > >> >> >AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQS
>>> > > > > >> >> Please feel free to kill file me, but your group is too undisciplined
>>> > > > > >> >> to have rules. What percentage of the group's posts are flames? This
>>> > > > > >> >> is why I haven't been here too much. You need to crack down on
>>> > > > > >> >> trouble makers.
>>> > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > >> >Unfortunately, you are choosing to make yourself one of the troublemakers.
>>> > > > > >> Then you will miss what I have to offer, won't you?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >Unfortunately, one cannot miss posts. One can only block them after the fact.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >> I mentioned to another group that I post what makes me feel good. I
>>> > > > > >> avoid flaming, and that is to say you can take it or leave it.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >This is a *discussion* group. If you want to post poetry by well known authors, you should do so at rec.arts.poems. That is what that group was created for.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >If you continue to post such poetry here without comments, you *are* flaming the group -- and shall be treated like a troll for doing so.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >Your choice.
>>> > > > > How many posts in this group get 29 replies? Granted, a few of the
>>> > > > > posts are mine.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > You will miss the train because you are arguing with the tricket
>>> > > > > master (for this thread). Open your eyes, ears and most of all your
>>> > > > > mind.
>>> > > > Well put.
>>> > > What's "well put,
>>> > Mack's post.
>>> Mack's whacked. What's a "tricket" and how does one master it?
>>
>>I don’t think there is such a thing as a tricket. I think he made a spelling error,
>>and that you’re laming him for it, because that’s the level of discourse with which
>>you are comfortable. Pick on somebody your own size. My ego is bigger than yours.

> You are correct, and I just caught the error while catching up with
> the latest posts.

> "ticket-master"

> https://www.storypick.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/mistakecover.jpg

> (Paranoia also includes feelings of superiority - "Grandiosity
> paranoia")

Although it did make me think of Jack Kerouac's

"Taxi crabs and murder cycles"....

http://motorcycledays.blogspot.com/2009/03/jack-kerouac-is-dreaming-of-motorcycle.html?m=1

""Joe and I are riding his motorcycle, I'm sitting ass back, heels of my new crepsoles dragging in the Southern town street -- I want to ask Joe to slow down so I can turn around but he doesn't hear or care, it's Rocky Mount or Kinston, we cross the railroad tracks and go out and go speeding over the countryside but suddenly it leaves us and a great gap of nothingness and sand hundredfoot canyon yawns beneath us and all we can do is fall but Joe has that wild crazy hope the wheels'll stay upright which they more or less do, we ride the saw horse, at the bottom is a dry creek, another climb up sand steep bank like those we tumbled on Lawrence Boulevard nightmarish vast waiting…" -Jack Kerouac

Mack A. Damia wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 02:52:14 -0800 (PST), Spam-I-Am
> <hieronymous707@gmail.com> wrote:

>>On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:27:21 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:23:17 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:21:44 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:17:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 4:19:21 PM UTC-5, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>
>>> > > > > >> >> >> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
>>> > > > > >> >> >> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>>> > > > > >> >> >>
>>> > > > > >> >> >> "The heights by great men reached and kept
>>> > > > > >> >> >> Were not attained by sudden flight,
>>> > > > > >> >> >> But they, while their companions slept,
>>> > > > > >> >> >> Were toiling upward in the night."
>>> > > > > >> >> >
>>> > > > > >> >> >Hi Mack.
>>> > > > > >> >> >
>>> > > > > >> >> >Please see 8) in our Guidelines, below:
>>> > > > > >> >> >
>>> > > > > >> >> >AAPC OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQS
>>> > > > > >> >> Please feel free to kill file me, but your group is too undisciplined
>>> > > > > >> >> to have rules. What percentage of the group's posts are flames? This
>>> > > > > >> >> is why I haven't been here too much. You need to crack down on
>>> > > > > >> >> trouble makers.
>>> > > > > >> >
>>> > > > > >> >Unfortunately, you are choosing to make yourself one of the troublemakers.
>>> > > > > >> Then you will miss what I have to offer, won't you?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >Unfortunately, one cannot miss posts. One can only block them after the fact.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >> I mentioned to another group that I post what makes me feel good. I
>>> > > > > >> avoid flaming, and that is to say you can take it or leave it.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >This is a *discussion* group. If you want to post poetry by well known authors, you should do so at rec.arts.poems. That is what that group was created for.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >If you continue to post such poetry here without comments, you *are* flaming the group -- and shall be treated like a troll for doing so.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >Your choice.
>>> > > > > How many posts in this group get 29 replies? Granted, a few of the
>>> > > > > posts are mine.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > You will miss the train because you are arguing with the tricket
>>> > > > > master (for this thread). Open your eyes, ears and most of all your
>>> > > > > mind.
>>> > > > Well put.
>>> > > What's "well put,
>>> > Mack's post.
>>> Mack's whacked. What's a "tricket" and how does one master it?
>>
>>I don’t think there is such a thing as a tricket. I think he made a spelling error,
>>and that you’re laming him for it, because that’s the level of discourse with which
>>you are comfortable. Pick on somebody your own size. My ego is bigger than yours.

> You are correct, and I just caught the error while catching up with
> the latest posts.

> "ticket-master"

> https://www.storypick.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/mistakecover.jpg

> (Paranoia also includes feelings of superiority - "Grandiosity
> paranoia")

Hello there Mack, yes you'll see plenty of giddy spelling lamers here.

HTH and HAND.

On 2022-11-13 2:59 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
>
>> Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
>
> Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
>
> Good to know.
>

I read an interesting essay about it today on Rob Vallela's blog. He
argues that it was basically motivated by a clash in literary styles --
Longfellow worked in an older tradition, where older prototypes were
constantly used to make new material, while Poe got notice at the height
of Romanticism, where the trend was always to write the completely new.
He also says that to that degree Poe was right, as at the time
"plagiarist" had a milder connotation (imitator or derivative, rather
than thief).

But he also acknowledges that jealousy was a factor. At the time,
Longfellow was one of the few American writers, maybe the only American
poet, to earn a living solely by his writing, while Poe never could. I
could see how that would rankle especially after the success of "The
Raven".

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:15:41 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-13 2:59 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
> >
> >> Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
> >
> > Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
> >
> > Good to know.
> >
> I read an interesting essay about it today on Rob Vallela's blog. He
> argues that it was basically motivated by a clash in literary styles --
> Longfellow worked in an older tradition, where older prototypes were
> constantly used to make new material, while Poe got notice at the height
> of Romanticism, where the trend was always to write the completely new.
> He also says that to that degree Poe was right, as at the time
> "plagiarist" had a milder connotation (imitator or derivative, rather
> than thief).
>
> But he also acknowledges that jealousy was a factor. At the time,
> Longfellow was one of the few American writers, maybe the only American
> poet, to earn a living solely by his writing, while Poe never could. I
> could see how that would rankle especially after the success of "The
> Raven".

Again, interesting read and again, I thank....

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 4:15:41 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-13 2:59 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
> >
> >> Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
> >
> > Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
> >
> > Good to know.
> >
> I read an interesting essay about it today on Rob Vallela's blog. He
> argues that it was basically motivated by a clash in literary styles --
> Longfellow worked in an older tradition, where older prototypes were
> constantly used to make new material, while Poe got notice at the height
> of Romanticism, where the trend was always to write the completely new.
> He also says that to that degree Poe was right, as at the time
> "plagiarist" had a milder connotation (imitator or derivative, rather
> than thief).
>
> But he also acknowledges that jealousy was a factor. At the time,
> Longfellow was one of the few American writers, maybe the only American
> poet, to earn a living solely by his writing, while Poe never could. I
> could see how that would rankle especially after the success of "The
> Raven".

Your chronology is off. Poe’s problem with Longfellow predates his publishing of “The Raven”.

Spam-I-Am wrote:

> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> > >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
>
>> >> > >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
>> >> > >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
>> >> > >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
>> >> > >>> But they, while their companions slept,
>> >> > >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
>> >> > > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
>> >> > > poem.
>> >> >
>> >> > No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
>> >> > can post it in here:
>> >> > "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
>> >> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine
>> >> Good poem.
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
>>
>> > Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
>> Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
>>
>> Good to know.

> It wasn’t petty, like jealousy, but it was very personal.

Thanks, I'll read up on it some more.

:)

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:30:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >> > >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >
> >> >> > >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> >> >> > >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> >> >> > >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> >> >> > >>> But they, while their companions slept,
> >> >> > >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
> >> >> > > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
> >> >> > > poem.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
> >> >> > can post it in here:
> >> >> > "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> >> >> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine
> >> >> Good poem.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
> >>
> >> > Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles..
> >> Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
> >>
> >> Good to know.
> > It wasn’t petty, like jealousy, but it was very personal.
> Thanks, I'll read up on it some more.
>
> :)

Poe envied Longfellow’s professional success.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-13 2:59 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> Spam-I-Am wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
>>
>>> Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
>>
>> Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
>>
>> Good to know.
> >

> I read an interesting essay about it today on Rob Vallela's blog. He
> argues that it was basically motivated by a clash in literary styles --
> Longfellow worked in an older tradition, where older prototypes were
> constantly used to make new material, while Poe got notice at the height
> of Romanticism, where the trend was always to write the completely new.
> He also says that to that degree Poe was right, as at the time
> "plagiarist" had a milder connotation (imitator or derivative, rather
> than thief).

> But he also acknowledges that jealousy was a factor. At the time,
> Longfellow was one of the few American writers, maybe the only American
> poet, to earn a living solely by his writing, while Poe never could. I
> could see how that would rankle especially after the success of "The
> Raven".

Interesting back story, George.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:49:11 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:30:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > >> >> > >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >
> > >> >> > >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > >> >> > >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > >> >> > >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > >> >> > >>> But they, while their companions slept,
> > >> >> > >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
> > >> >> > > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
> > >> >> > > poem.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
> > >> >> > can post it in here:
> > >> >> > "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > >> >> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine
> > >> >> Good poem.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
> > >>
> > >> > Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
> > >> Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
> > >>
> > >> Good to know.
> > > It wasn’t petty, like jealousy, but it was very personal.
> > Thanks, I'll read up on it some more.
> >
> > :)
> Poe envied Longfellow’s professional success.

No. He hated the New England school of literature, and everyone connected with it, and especially with Boston. Longfellow was the New England school's poster boy. Naturally, Poe detested him.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:03:28 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:49:11 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:30:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> >> > >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >> > >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > > >> >> > >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > >> >> > >>>
> > > >> >> > >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > > >> >> > >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > > >> >> > >>> But they, while their companions slept,
> > > >> >> > >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > > >> >> > >>>
> > > >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> > >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
> > > >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> > >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
> > > >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> > >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
> > > >> >> > > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
> > > >> >> > > poem.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
> > > >> >> > can post it in here:
> > > >> >> > "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > > >> >> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine
> > > >> >> Good poem.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
> > > >>
> > > >> > Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
> > > >> Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
> > > >>
> > > >> Good to know.
> > > > It wasn’t petty, like jealousy, but it was very personal.
> > > Thanks, I'll read up on it some more.
> > >
> > > :)
> > Poe envied Longfellow’s professional success.
> No. He hated the New England school of literature, and everyone connected with it, and especially with Boston. Longfellow was the New England school's poster boy. Naturally, Poe detested him.

Enjoy:

http://americanliteraryblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/poe-and-longfellow-favorably-known-to.html

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:13:20 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:03:28 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:49:11 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:30:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > > > >> >> > >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > >> >> > >>>
> > > > >> >> > >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > > > >> >> > >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > > > >> >> > >>> But they, while their companions slept,
> > > > >> >> > >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > > > >> >> > >>>
> > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > >> >> > >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
> > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > >> >> > >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
> > > > >> >> > >>
> > > > >> >> > >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
> > > > >> >> > > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
> > > > >> >> > > poem.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
> > > > >> >> > can post it in here:
> > > > >> >> > "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > > > >> >> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine
> > > > >> >> Good poem.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
> > > > >> Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Good to know.
> > > > > It wasn’t petty, like jealousy, but it was very personal.
> > > > Thanks, I'll read up on it some more.
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > Poe envied Longfellow’s professional success.
> > No. He hated the New England school of literature, and everyone connected with it, and especially with Boston. Longfellow was the New England school's poster boy. Naturally, Poe detested him.
> Enjoy:
>
> http://americanliteraryblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/poe-and-longfellow-favorably-known-to.html

As a blog entry, it gives a brief introduction to the topic, and presents it in an interesting manner. But it doesn't really shed any new light on Poe's hatred of the Frogpondians.

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:49:11 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 7:30:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:59:43 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:59:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 6:22:04 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > >> >> > >> On 2022-11-10 1:09 p.m., Mack A. Damia wrote:
> > >
> > >> >> > >>> "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > >> >> > >>> - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> "The heights by great men reached and kept
> > >> >> > >>> Were not attained by sudden flight,
> > >> >> > >>> But they, while their companions slept,
> > >> >> > >>> Were toiling upward in the night."
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> Looks like a Longfellow poem I haven't read, and one worth reading.
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> I'll go look for it, but I'd ask you to give me a link next time.
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> That's not a "GL" either, just a suggestion.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > It was a verse that struck me and has stayed with me for many decades
> > >> >> > > (since the 1980s). Yes, I should have posted a link to the entire
> > >> >> > > poem.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > No biggie. I was able to find one on a reputable site easily enough. I
> > >> >> > can post it in here:
> > >> >> > "The Ladder of St. Augustine"
> > >> >> > https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44636/the-ladder-of-st-augustine
> > >> >> Good poem.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Any thoughts on why Edgar Allan Poe has such a grudge against Longfellow?
> > >>
> > >> > Poe considered Longfellow an imitator of other poets’ styles.
> > >> Thanks, Corey, so it was nothing personal, like jealousy.
> > >>
> > >> Good to know.
> > > It wasn’t petty, like jealousy, but it was very personal.
> > Thanks, I'll read up on it some more.
> >
>
> Poe envied Longfellow’s professional success.

No surprise.