Friends,

When I started the original "aaj kaa she'r" thread, little did I know that it will turn into a series. First of all, my sincere thanks to all group members who have participated actively in the previous three chapters of this thread. The posts are a lot more than a simple collection of asha'ar. It is sort of like the village square, where the group members get together for all sorts of discussions, mostly related to Urdu poetry and language. The earlier threads in this series have provided many learning opportunities for me personally.

Irfan Abid sahib recently pointed out that the thread "aaj kaa she'r (#3)" was getting too long and it is time to start #4. I agree, so here we go!

All of us are still living in an unprecedented globally stressful time, with no end in sight for the constantly mutating pandemic. This is the last day of 2021, a 'shapeless' year that has been very exhausting.

To keep hopes alive for a better year ahead, Irfan sahib quoted this she'r by Ameer Qazalbash in his last post in the previous thread:

ufuq kii kokh se suuraj kaa nuur niklegaa
ki shab ke ba'd saveraa zaruur niklegaa

Let me start this new thread with a she'r from one of my favorite ghazals, by one of my favorite poets, Firaq Gorakhpuri:

guzashta a'hd ki yaadoN ko phir karo taazaa
bujhe charaagh jalaao bahut andheraa hai

Oh, how I would love to go back to 2019!

I know our group has been rather slow lately, with very few active members, some of the veteran members on extended leaves of absence. If you have been away for a while and want to jump back on the Alup wagon, or are considering joining this group as a new member, this thread is an excellent place to start! :)

See you around,
Hoping for a mundane, uneventful 2022,

________Zoya

For book keeping purposes, I am pasting here the links to the previous three "aaj kaa she'r" threads.

aaj kaa she'r (#1):
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.urdu.poetry/c/E_tQANEKy1I

aaj kaa she'r (#2):
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.urdu.poetry/c/spM5_W6p8sU

aaj kaa she'r (#3):
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.urdu.poetry/c/_Y4ygE5lVCw

_________Zoya

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 1:18:15 PM UTC-5, Zoya wrote:
> Friends,
>
> When I started the original "aaj kaa she'r" thread, little did I know that it will turn into a series. First of all, my sincere thanks to all group members who have participated actively in the previous three chapters of this thread. The posts are a lot more than a simple collection of asha'ar. It is sort of like the village square, where the group members get together for all sorts of discussions, mostly related to Urdu poetry and language. The earlier threads in this series have provided many learning opportunities for me personally.
>
> Irfan Abid sahib recently pointed out that the thread "aaj kaa she'r (#3)" was getting too long and it is time to start #4. I agree, so here we go!
>
> All of us are still living in an unprecedented globally stressful time, with no end in sight for the constantly mutating pandemic. This is the last day of 2021, a 'shapeless' year that has been very exhausting.
>
> To keep hopes alive for a better year ahead, Irfan sahib quoted this she'r by Ameer Qazalbash in his last post in the previous thread:
>
> ufuq kii kokh se suuraj kaa nuur niklegaa
> ki shab ke ba'd saveraa zaruur niklegaa
>
> Let me start this new thread with a she'r from one of my favorite ghazals, by one of my favorite poets, Firaq Gorakhpuri:
>
> guzashta a'hd ki yaadoN ko phir karo taazaa
> bujhe charaagh jalaao bahut andheraa hai
>
> Oh, how I would love to go back to 2019!
>
> I know our group has been rather slow lately, with very few active members, some of the veteran members on extended leaves of absence. If you have been away for a while and want to jump back on the Alup wagon, or are considering joining this group as a new member, this thread is an excellent place to start! :)
>
> See you around,
> Hoping for a mundane, uneventful 2022,
>
> ________Zoya
>

Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

Thanks for starting this thread! My heartiest greetings for a Happy New Year to you and other ALUPers!

I want to add a humble she'r of mine here, but a quick note before that. The she'r you have quoted is my tukbandi, not Ameer Qazalbash's creation. :) The zameen is certainly his. I have just posted the Ghazal this matla's is from.

And here is a she'r for this thread:

jo gaye saal milaa zaKhm-e-jigar, rakhte haiN
ham naye saal se ummeed magar rakhte haiN

niyaazmand,
Irfan :Abid:

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 7:17:12 PM UTC-6, Irfan Abid wrote:

> Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

aadaab, Irfan sahib,

> Thanks for starting this thread! My heartiest greetings for a Happy New Year to you and other ALUPers!
> I want to add a humble she'r of mine here, but a quick note before that. The she'r you have quoted is my tukbandi, not Ameer Qazalbash's creation. :)

Talking about the new year and Ameer Qazalbash, sab se pehle to aap "biite hue kal kaa she'r" suniye, yeh bhi inhiiN kaa hai:

yakum January hai, nayaa saal hai
December meN puuchheNge kyaa haal hai! :)

The zameen is certainly his. I have just posted the Ghazal this matla's is from.

Dah! No wonder I kept thinking about the matlaa and one other she'r that I like from a ghazal that I have heard often in Jagjit Singh's voice, I thought maybe that was by some other poet and the matlaa you quoted was Ameer Qazalbash's. I guess that is a compliment, you are obviously in the same league as Mr Qazalbash. Thanks for posting your ghazal.

In case someone else is wondering, maiN in do asha'ar kaa zikr kar rahii huuN:

mire junuuN ka natiijaa zaruur niklegaa
isii siyaah samandar se nuur niklegaa

usii ka shahr, vahii muddaii, vahii munsif
hameN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa qusuur niklegaa

> And here is a she'r for this thread:

> jo gaye saal milaa zaKhm-e-jigar, rakhte haiN
> ham naye saal se ummeed magar rakhte haiN

is baat par aap "aaj kaa she'r" suniye, by my single most favorite poet, Nasir Kazmi:

kuchh to naazuk mizaaj haiN ham bhii
aur yeh choT bhii nayii hai abhii

> niyaazmand,
> Irfan :Abid:

________Zoya

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 11:07:29 AM UTC-7, Zoya wrote:
<snip>

>
> usii ka shahr, vahii muddaii, vahii munsif
> hameN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa qusuur niklegaa

I realize it will not be in meter but ... I felt if only we can add "hii" in the 2nd line?

hameiN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa "hii" qusuur niklega

>
> ________Zoya

allah-o-ghani is dunia meiN, sarmaaya-parasti ka aalam,
bezar ka koi behnoi nahi, zardaar ke laakhoN saale hain - Shauq Behraichi

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:33:47 PM UTC-6, Dinesh Shenoy wrote:

> > usii ka shahr, vahii muddaii, vahii munsif
> > hameN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa qusuur niklegaa

> I realize it will not be in meter but ... I felt if only we can add "hii" in the 2nd line?

Dinesh sahib,

Meter dissection time! :)

The bahr for this ghazal is

1212 /1122 /1212 /22

> hameiN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa "hii" qusuur niklega

I think we can accommodate 'hii', but something will have to give. Not that easy, 'hii' can be squeezed in, but have to be creative with 'hamaaraa' in front of it. One option is:

1 2 1 2 /1 1 2 2 /1 2 1 2 / 2 2
u sii ka shah/r va hii mud/da ii va hii/ mun sif
ya qiiN tha k-ha/maa raa hii/qu suu r nik/le gaa

Of course, this is contingent on approval by my ustaads RK sahib/Irfan sahib.

________Zoya

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 12:51:21 PM UTC-8, Zoya wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:33:47 PM UTC-6, Dinesh Shenoy wrote:
>
> > > usii ka shahr, vahii muddaii, vahii munsif
> > > hameN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa qusuur niklegaa
>
> > I realize it will not be in meter but ... I felt if only we can add "hii" in the 2nd line?

> Dinesh sahib,

> The bahr for this ghazal is
>
> 1212 /1122 /1212 /22
> > hameiN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa "hii" qusuur niklega
> I think we can accommodate 'hii', but something will have to give. Not that easy, 'hii' can be squeezed in, but have to be creative with 'hamaaraa' in front of it. One option is:
>
> 1 2 1 2 /1 1 2 2 /1 2 1 2 / 2 2
> u sii ka shah/r va hii mud/da ii va hii/ mun sif
> ya qiiN tha k-ha/maa raa hii/qu suu r nik/le gaa
>
> Of course, this is contingent on approval by my ustaads RK sahib/Irfan sahib.
>
> ________Zoya

***Sorry, Dinesh sahib, there is no room for the word "hii" (or even "hi") in this line.

R.K.***

On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 3:12:50 PM UTC-6, Raj Kumar wrote:

> ***Sorry, Dinesh sahib, there is no room for the word "hii" (or even "hi") in this line.
>
> R.K.***

That settles it Dinesh sahib.
Thanks Prof RK. I kind of thought so too, tried variations with both hii/hi and posted one of the creations. It would have been easy if I could get away with 'hamaraa' as 112, but I dare not even suggest something like that in your presence or even your absence for that matter. :-)
Miss you already, so happy to see you in this thread.

Have a healthy 2022,

________Zoya

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 10:23:18 PM UTC-6, Mohit wrote:

> allah-o-ghani is dunia meiN, sarmaaya-parasti ka aalam,
> bezar ka koi behnoi nahi, zardaar ke laakhoN saale hain - Shauq Behraichi

Mohit, this reminded me of a she'r that I sometimes think about in fancy get togethers, surrounded by women of a 'certain economic class'. I have never quoted this, and even if I did, no one in such gatherings would understand it!

By Jaun Eliya:

yahaaN to jaazbiiyat bhi hai daulat hii ki parvardaa
yeh laRki faaqa_kash hotii, to badsuurat nazar aatii

On Thursday, 6 January 2022 at 21:12:50 UTC, Raj Kumar wrote:
> On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 12:51:21 PM UTC-8, Zoya wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:33:47 PM UTC-6, Dinesh Shenoy wrote:
> >
> > > > usii ka shahr, vahii muddaii, vahii munsif
> > > > hameN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa qusuur niklegaa
> >
> > > I realize it will not be in meter but ... I felt if only we can add "hii" in the 2nd line?
>
> > Dinesh sahib,
> > The bahr for this ghazal is
> >
> > 1212 /1122 /1212 /22
> > > hameiN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa "hii" qusuur niklega
> > I think we can accommodate 'hii', but something will have to give. Not that easy, 'hii' can be squeezed in, but have to be creative with 'hamaaraa' in front of it. One option is:
> >
> > 1 2 1 2 /1 1 2 2 /1 2 1 2 / 2 2
> > u sii ka shah/r va hii mud/da ii va hii/ mun sif
> > ya qiiN tha k-ha/maa raa hii/qu suu r nik/le gaa
> >
> > Of course, this is contingent on approval by my ustaads RK sahib/Irfan sahib.
> >
> > ________Zoya
> ***Sorry, Dinesh sahib, there is no room for the word "hii" (or even "hi") in this line.
>
> R.K.***
Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.

In the first misra3 of this shi3r, is the consonant 3ain missing in the word mudda3ii which has perhaps compelled Dinesh SaaHib to expect a hii/hi in the second misra3?

Naseer

On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 3:57:22 PM UTC-6, Naseer wrote:

> Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.
>
> In the first misra3 of this shi3r, is the consonant 3ain missing in the word mudda3ii which has perhaps compelled Dinesh SaaHib to expect a hii/hi in the second misra3?
>
> Naseer

Prof RK,

As your self appointed TA, may I please try to answer this question? Regardless of the transliteration style for "ain" in Roman, be it ' . 3 or nothing, the weight of ain has been accounted for in muddaii -> 212. ain by itself is weight 1, pairing it with a preceding d is still weight 1. So, unless we focus on how Roman Urdu is written, there is no cause for confusion here. Of course, Dinesh sahib can speak for himself and let us know if this was an issue for him, or not.

Thank you all for joining in this discussion. This is exactly what I was talking about when I said this thread is more than just a simple collection of asha'ar! :)

The fun continues,

________Zoya

On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 1:57:22 PM UTC-8, Naseer wrote:
> On Thursday, 6 January 2022 at 21:12:50 UTC, Raj Kumar wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 12:51:21 PM UTC-8, Zoya wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 7:33:47 PM UTC-6, Dinesh Shenoy wrote:
> > >
> > > > > usii ka shahr, vahii muddaii, vahii munsif
> > > > > hameN yaqiiN tha hamaaraa qusuur niklegaa
> > >
> > > > I realize it will not be in meter but ... I felt if only we can add "hii" in the 2nd line?

> > ***Sorry, Dinesh sahib, there is no room for the word "hii" (or even "hi") in this line.
> >
> > R.K.***

> Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.
>
> In the first misra3 of this shi3r, is the consonant 3ain missing in the word mudda3ii which has perhaps compelled Dinesh SaaHib to expect a hii/hi in the second misra3?
>
***Frankly, I don't think so. At the same time, I can't say what propelled Dinesh sahib to suggest what he did.

Even though ZS has already resolved this query via (1,2)-notation, let me try it a different way that requires me to compare the two misr'as of this she'r written vertically rather than horizontally ------------- just for you, Naseer sahib! :-)

usii = hameN
ka shah = yaqeeN
r = tha (effectively, th)
vahii = hamaa
mudda'ii = raa qusuu (note that the sound of Harf 'ain' is duly taken care of)
vahii = r nik
munsif = le ga

As you can see, all syllables in the two misr'as match perfectly, which means that there is no room here for an extra "hii", or even "hi".

Moreover, if there were any genuine problem here, Irfan sahib would have already noted it, which he didn't.

R.K.***

On Sunday, 9 January 2022 at 04:23:54 UTC, Raj Kumar wrote:

> ***Frankly, I don't think so. At the same time, I can't say what propelled Dinesh sahib to suggest what he did.
>
> Even though ZS has already resolved this query via (1,2)-notation, let me try it a different way that requires me to compare the two misr'as of this she'r written vertically rather than horizontally ------------- just for you, Naseer sahib! :-)
>
> usii = hameN
> ka shah = yaqeeN
> r = tha (effectively, th)
> vahii = hamaa
> mudda'ii = raa qusuu (note that the sound of Harf 'ain' is duly taken care of)
> vahii = r nik
> munsif = le ga
>
> As you can see, all syllables in the two misr'as match perfectly, which means that there is no room here for an extra "hii", or even "hi".
>
> Moreover, if there were any genuine problem here, Irfan sahib would have already noted it, which he didn't.
>
> R.K.***
Thank you very much indeed Raj Kumar SaaHib for an explanation which even the remedial children in the class can understand!:-)
Naseer

Thought of the day:

Today is the gurpurab celebrating Guru Gobind Singh's birthday. One of my most favorite nazms of all time is an ode praising the qualities of Guru Gobind Singh, written in Persian by Bhai Nand Lal Goya, who was a contemporary of Guru sahib. The only hymns that can be sung in gurdwaras are the ones included in Guru Granth sahib, but some of Bhai Nand Lal's poetry is an exception, this being one of them.

It is a long nazm and many Sikh raagis have sung portions of it. I am sharing a recording of the first few asha'ar of the nazm in Bhai Harjinder Singh's voice. I think the group members will definitely appreciate how well Bhai Nand Lal has expressed his feelings and devotion towards Guru Gobind Singh, I find this poetry par excellence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RJICpsC9hQ

________Zoya

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 3:28:09 AM UTC-8, Naseer wrote:
> On Sunday, 9 January 2022 at 04:23:54 UTC, Raj Kumar wrote:
>
> > ***Frankly, I don't think so. At the same time, I can't say what propelled Dinesh sahib to suggest what he did.
> >
> > Even though ZS has already resolved this query via (1,2)-notation, let me try it a different way that requires me to compare the two misr'as of this she'r written vertically rather than horizontally ------------- just for you, Naseer sahib! :-)
> >
> > usii = hameN
> > ka shah = yaqeeN
> > r = tha (effectively, th)
> > vahii = hamaa
> > mudda'ii = raa qusuu (note that the sound of Harf 'ain' is duly taken care of)
> > vahii = r nik
> > munsif = le ga
> >
> > As you can see, all syllables in the two misr'as match perfectly, which means that there is no room here for an extra "hii", or even "hi".
> >
> > Moreover, if there were any genuine problem here, Irfan sahib would have already noted it, which he didn't.
> >
> > R.K.***
> Thank you very much indeed Raj Kumar SaaHib for an explanation which even the remedial children in the class can understand!:-)
> Naseer

***Thanks for your response, Naseer sahib. I am glad that this explanation was successful in satisfying your curiosity.

I, on the other hand, kept wondering all night "what, if Naseer sahib continues to have doubts about this matter"? With that possibility in mind, I came up with another explanation which is so simple, yet so convincing. Let me present it here for fun.

Suppose the misr'a were
mujhe yaqiiN tha, miraa hii qusuur nikle gaa --------- (1).
No one would have raised any issue with it.

However, the misr'a in question is
hameN yaqiiN tha, hamaaraa qusuur nikle gaa ---------- (2)

Comparing the relevant portions of these two misr'as vazn-wise, we note that
mujhe = hameN and miraa hii = hamaa raa
goyaa, misr'a #2 meN "hii" ka maqaam "raa" ne le rakkhaa hai; nateejatan, yahaaN aek mazeed "hii" ki guNjaa'ish nahiiN hai! QED

R.K.

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:38:36 PM UTC-7, Raj Kumar wrote:
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 3:28:09 AM UTC-8, Naseer wrote:
> > On Sunday, 9 January 2022 at 04:23:54 UTC, Raj Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > ***Frankly, I don't think so. At the same time, I can't say what propelled Dinesh sahib to suggest what he did.
> > >
> > > Even though ZS has already resolved this query via (1,2)-notation, let me try it a different way that requires me to compare the two misr'as of this she'r written vertically rather than horizontally ------------- just for you, Naseer sahib! :-)
> > >
> > > usii = hameN
> > > ka shah = yaqeeN
> > > r = tha (effectively, th)
> > > vahii = hamaa
> > > mudda'ii = raa qusuu (note that the sound of Harf 'ain' is duly taken care of)
> > > vahii = r nik
> > > munsif = le ga
> > >
> > > As you can see, all syllables in the two misr'as match perfectly, which means that there is no room here for an extra "hii", or even "hi".
> > >
> > > Moreover, if there were any genuine problem here, Irfan sahib would have already noted it, which he didn't.
> > >
> > > R.K.***
> > Thank you very much indeed Raj Kumar SaaHib for an explanation which even the remedial children in the class can understand!:-)
> > Naseer
> ***Thanks for your response, Naseer sahib. I am glad that this explanation was successful in satisfying your curiosity.
>
> I, on the other hand, kept wondering all night "what, if Naseer sahib continues to have doubts about this matter"? With that possibility in mind, I came up with another explanation which is so simple, yet so convincing. Let me present it here for fun.
>
> Suppose the misr'a were
> mujhe yaqiiN tha, miraa hii qusuur nikle gaa --------- (1).
> No one would have raised any issue with it.
>
> However, the misr'a in question is
> hameN yaqiiN tha, hamaaraa qusuur nikle gaa ---------- (2)
>
> Comparing the relevant portions of these two misr'as vazn-wise, we note that
> mujhe = hameN and miraa hii = hamaa raa
> goyaa, misr'a #2 meN "hii" ka maqaam "raa" ne le rakkhaa hai; nateejatan, yahaaN aek mazeed "hii" ki guNjaa'ish nahiiN hai! QED
>
> R.K.

Raj Kumar sahib,

I just felt that the addition of hii makes it more ... "whiny" ... in a good way? So, "I" like your version better ...

"mujhe yaqiiN tha, miraa hii qusuur nikle gaa "

Also, what you casually call "so simple", I call it "brilliant" :)

Dinesh

On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 4:20:43 PM UTC-8, Dinesh Shenoy wrote:
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 12:38:36 PM UTC-7, Raj Kumar wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 3:28:09 AM UTC-8, Naseer wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 9 January 2022 at 04:23:54 UTC, Raj Kumar wrote:
> > >
> > > > ***Frankly, I don't think so. At the same time, I can't say what propelled Dinesh sahib to suggest what he did.
> > > >
> > > > Even though ZS has already resolved this query via (1,2)-notation, let me try it a different way that requires me to compare the two misr'as of this she'r written vertically rather than horizontally ------------- just for you, Naseer sahib! :-)
> > > >
> > > > usii = hameN
> > > > ka shah = yaqeeN
> > > > r = tha (effectively, th)
> > > > vahii = hamaa
> > > > mudda'ii = raa qusuu (note that the sound of Harf 'ain' is duly taken care of)
> > > > vahii = r nik
> > > > munsif = le ga
> > > >
> > > > As you can see, all syllables in the two misr'as match perfectly, which means that there is no room here for an extra "hii", or even "hi".
> > > >
> > > > Moreover, if there were any genuine problem here, Irfan sahib would have already noted it, which he didn't.
> > > >
> > > > R.K.***
> > > Thank you very much indeed Raj Kumar SaaHib for an explanation which even the remedial children in the class can understand!:-)
> > > Naseer
> > ***Thanks for your response, Naseer sahib. I am glad that this explanation was successful in satisfying your curiosity.
> >
> > I, on the other hand, kept wondering all night "what, if Naseer sahib continues to have doubts about this matter"? With that possibility in mind, I came up with another explanation which is so simple, yet so convincing. Let me present it here for fun.
> >
> > Suppose the misr'a were
> > mujhe yaqiiN tha, miraa hii qusuur nikle gaa --------- (1).
> > No one would have raised any issue with it.
> >
> > However, the misr'a in question is
> > hameN yaqiiN tha, hamaaraa qusuur nikle gaa ---------- (2)
> >
> > Comparing the relevant portions of these two misr'as vazn-wise, we note that
> > mujhe = hameN and miraa hii = hamaa raa
> > goyaa, misr'a #2 meN "hii" ka maqaam "raa" ne le rakkhaa hai; nateejatan, yahaaN aek mazeed "hii" ki guNjaa'ish nahiiN hai! QED
> >
> > R.K.
> Raj Kumar sahib,
>
> I just felt that the addition of hii makes it more ... "whiny" ... in a good way? So, "I" like your version better ...
> "mujhe yaqiiN tha, miraa hii qusuur nikle gaa "
> Also, what you casually call "so simple", I call it "brilliant" :)
>

***Thanks, Dinesh sahib, you made my day! :-)

R.K.***

An old favorite, an occasional thought, aaj kaa she'r:

ab tiraa zikr bhi shaayad hi ghazal meN aaye
aur ke aur hue dard ke unvaaN jaanaaN

Thought/poem of the Day:

On MLK Day, I listened to some timeless speeches by Dr King this morning on NPR. Most of what he said is still relevant today, and these words have been reverberating with me:

"There comes a time when silence is betrayal".

This quote reminds me of a nazm by Faiz Ahmed Faiz:

bol, k lab aazaad haiN tere
bol, zabaaN ab tak terii hai
............
bol, k sach zindah hai ab tak
bol, jo kuchh kehna hai keh le!

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:03:54 PM UTC-7, Zoya wrote:
> Thought/poem of the Day:
>
> On MLK Day, I listened to some timeless speeches by Dr King this morning on NPR. Most of what he said is still relevant today, and these words have been reverberating with me:
>
> "There comes a time when silence is betrayal".
>
<snip>
Zoya sahiba,
Let me repeat this hindi couplet here ...
समर शेष है, नहीं पाप का भागी केवल व्याध
जो तटस्थ हैं, समय लिखेगा उनके भी अपराध
samar shesh hai, nahiiN paap kaa bhaagi keval vyaadh
jO taTasth haiN, samay likhega unke bhii aparaadh
Btw, my favorite MLK quote is ..,
“I have decided to stick with love.
Hate is too great a burden to bear.”
Dinesh

On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 16:27:03 UTC, Dinesh Shenoy wrote:
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:03:54 PM UTC-7, Zoya wrote:
> > Thought/poem of the Day:
> >
> > On MLK Day, I listened to some timeless speeches by Dr King this morning on NPR. Most of what he said is still relevant today, and these words have been reverberating with me:
> >
> > "There comes a time when silence is betrayal".
> >
> <snip>
>
> Zoya sahiba,
>
> Let me repeat this hindi couplet here ...
>
> समर शेष है, नहीं पाप का भागी केवल व्याध
> जो तटस्थ हैं, समय लिखेगा उनके भी अपराध
>
> samar shesh hai, nahiiN paap kaa bhaagi keval vyaadh
> jO taTasth haiN, samay likhega unke bhii aparaadh
>
> Btw, my favorite MLK quote is ..,
> “I have decided to stick with love.
> Hate is too great a burden to bear.”
>
> Dinesh

Dinesh Jii aadaab.

Could you please provide a translation of the Hindi couplet.

Naseer

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 8:27:03 AM UTC-8, Dinesh Shenoy wrote:
>
> Zoya sahiba,
>
> Let me repeat this hindi couplet here ...
>
> समर शेष है, नहीं पाप का भागी केवल व्याध
> जो तटस्थ हैं, समय लिखेगा उनके भी अपराध
>
> samar shesh hai, nahiiN paap kaa bhaagi keval vyaadh
> jO taTasth haiN, samay likhega unke bhii aparaadh
>
>
> Dinesh
***Paraphrase, please. Or at least the meanings of these words:
samar, shesh, vyaadh, taTasth
Thanks in advance,
R.K.***

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 10:27:03 AM UTC-6, Dinesh Shenoy wrote:

> > "There comes a time when silence is betrayal".

> Zoya sahiba,
>
> Let me repeat this hindi couplet here ...
>
> समर शेष है, नहीं पाप का भागी केवल व्याध
> जो तटस्थ हैं, समय लिखेगा उनके भी अपराध
>
> samar shesh hai, nahiiN paap kaa bhaagi keval vyaadh
> jO taTasth haiN, samay likhega unke bhii aparaadh

Dinesh sahib, thanks for this couplet, I still find it as amazing as I did when you shared it the first time in the other thread. I also remember I had to look up the meaning of 'vyaadh' back then, in case anyone else is wondering too, it means 'hunter'.
> Btw, my favorite MLK quote is ..,
> “I have decided to stick with love.
> Hate is too great a burden to bear.”

Brilliant. And this reminds me of an Ahmad Faraz she'r:

yeh log kaise magar dushmanii nibhaate haiN
hameN to raas na aayiiN muhabbateN karnii!

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:30:00 PM UTC-6, Raj Kumar wrote:
> ***Paraphrase, please. Or at least the meanings of these words:
>
> samar, shesh, vyaadh, taTasth
>
> Thanks in advance,
> R.K.***

RK sahib,

Our messages obviously crossed, I already talked about 'vyaadh'!.:)
I can give the meanings of the other Hindi/Sanskrit words and try paraphrasing, but Dinesh sahib will do a much better job, so I too will wait for him to respond.

shesh vaartalaap Dinesh sahib kareN ge.

______Zoya