On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, Zoya wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:16:07 AM UTC-5, Raj Kumar wrote:
>
> > dekhne meN jo lagii naaraNgii
> > us ko chheelaa to musammii niklii
> > ko'i va'ada na dilaasaa na yaqeeN
> > meri ma'ashuuq nikammii niklii
> There must be some relevance, perhaps the color orange, because this reminded me of a Jaun Eliya she'r:
>
> jis din voh milne aaii thii us din kii ruudaad hai yeh
> us kaa blouse naaranjii thaa, us kii saarii dhaanii thii
>
> > R.K.
> _________Zoya

------------

***To change the topic,

voh aur hoN ge jin ko milii tujh se ziNdagii
ham par to jab bhi aaNkh paRii, aur mar gaye!

R.K.***

On Sunday, 1 October 2023 at 05:15:26 UTC+1, Raj Kumar wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, Zoya wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:16:07 AM UTC-5, Raj Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > dekhne meN jo lagii naaraNgii
> > > us ko chheelaa to musammii niklii
> > > ko'i va'ada na dilaasaa na yaqeeN
> > > meri ma'ashuuq nikammii niklii
> > There must be some relevance, perhaps the color orange, because this reminded me of a Jaun Eliya she'r:
> >
> > jis din voh milne aaii thii us din kii ruudaad hai yeh
> > us kaa blouse naaranjii thaa, us kii saarii dhaanii thii
> >
> > > R.K.
> > _________Zoya
> ------------
>
> ***To change the topic,
>
> voh aur hoN ge jin ko milii tujh se ziNdagii
> ham par to jab bhi aaNkh paRii, aur mar gaye!
>
> R.K.***

vaah, Raj Kumar saaHib, vaah! But, I am not sure I like this change of subject as two of my very close relatives have passed away within a short space of time in recent days. But life and death go hand and hand, so here is my contribution.

kyoN-kar nah lipat ke tujh se so'uuN ai qabr
maiN ne bhii to jaan de ke paayaa hai tujhe

Miir Babr Ali Anees

On Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 11:15:26 PM UTC-5, Raj Kumar wrote:

> ***To change the topic,
>
> voh aur hoN ge jin ko milii tujh se ziNdagii
> ham par to jab bhi aaNkh paRii, aur mar gaye!
>
> R.K.***

Hmmm, back to JE:

ab mirii koi zindagii hi nahiiN
ab bhi tum meri zindagii ho kyaa??

On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:04:36 AM UTC-5, Naseer wrote:

> vaah, Raj Kumar saaHib, vaah! But, I am not sure I like this change of subject as two of my very close relatives have passed away within a short space of time in recent days.

Naseer sahib, please accept my condolences on the loss of your loved ones.

> But life and death go hand and hand, so here is my contribution.

So true.

> kyoN-kar nah lipat ke tujh se so'uuN ai qabr
> maiN ne bhii to jaan de ke paayaa hai tujhe
>
> Miir Babr Ali Anees

And the classic by Chakbast:

zindagii kyaa hai anaasir meN zuhuur-e-tartiib
maut kyaa hai inhiN ajzaa kaa pareshaaN honaa

_________Zoya

On Friday, 6 October 2023 at 21:19:55 UTC+1, Zoya wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 4:04:36 AM UTC-5, Naseer wrote:
>
> > vaah, Raj Kumar saaHib, vaah! But, I am not sure I like this change of subject as two of my very close relatives have passed away within a short space of time in recent days.
> Naseer sahib, please accept my condolences on the loss of your loved ones..
> > But life and death go hand and hand, so here is my contribution.
> So true.
> > kyoN-kar nah lipat ke tujh se so'uuN ai qabr
> > maiN ne bhii to jaan de ke paayaa hai tujhe
> >
> > Miir Babr Ali Anees
> And the classic by Chakbast:
>
> zindagii kyaa hai anaasir meN zuhuur-e-tartiib
> maut kyaa hai inhiN ajzaa kaa pareshaaN honaa
>
> _________Zoya

bahut bahut shukriyah, Zoya saaHibah.

aap kaa pesh-kardah shi3r to Chemistry meN entropy kaa do misr3oN meN xulaasah hai!

jab tabii3at kisii par aatii hai
maut ke din qariib hote haiN

Nooh Narvi

aaj-kal Irfan saaHib kahaaN haiN? sab xairiyyat to hai?

Naseer

mustaqil boltaa hi rahtaa houN
kitna khaamosh houN maiN andar se

~ JE

On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 3:01:03 PM UTC-5, Naseer wrote:

> jab tabii3at kisii par aatii hai
> maut ke din qariib hote haiN
>
> Nooh Narvi

Naseer sahib, baqaul Mohsin Naqvi:

vo zaKhm de ke mujhe hauslaa bhi detaa hai
ab is se baRh ke tabiiyat shanaas kyaa hogaa!
> aaj-kal Irfan saaHib kahaaN haiN? sab xairiyyat to hai?

abhi chand roz pehle maiN ne Irfan sahib ko ek message kyaa tha, Khairiyat se haiiN, aur masruuf rehte haiN. maiN to unheN idhar aane ki guzaarish kar hii diyaa karti huuN, aur kabhi kabhi vo sun bhi lete haiN. :)

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:52:39 PM UTC-5, Amit Malhotra wrote:

> mustaqil boltaa hi rahtaa houN
> kitna khaamosh houN maiN andar se
>
> ~ JE

Amit! Stranger!! :)

But of course I am now going to quote this one by Ghalib for you:

maiN jo bolaa kahaa k yeh aavaaz
usii Khaanaa Kharaab kii sii hai!! :-)

Always good to see you around here. Be in touch.

________Zoya

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:26:55 PM UTC+5:30, Zoya wrote:
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:52:39 PM UTC-5, Amit Malhotra wrote:
>
> > mustaqil boltaa hi rahtaa houN
> > kitna khaamosh houN maiN andar se
> >
> > ~ JE
> Amit! Stranger!! :)
>
> But of course I am now going to quote this one by Ghalib for you:
>
> maiN jo bolaa kahaa k yeh aavaaz
> usii Khaanaa Kharaab kii sii hai!! :-)
>
> Always good to see you around here. Be in touch.
>
> ________Zoya
Mir? I am tempted to scan it. Regards,
Nagesh

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 4:53:11 AM UTC-5, Nagesh wrote:

> Mir? I am tempted to scan it. Regards,
> Nagesh

Yes Nagesh sahib, absolutely, totally Meer! Dah! Did someone say Ghalib, what were they thinking?! :-)

I could try to pull one and say it was a bait to lure Prof RK back in this thread! Well, it hooked you for sure. :)

Honestly, I have no idea how this error crept in, you have to believe I know better.

How have you been my friend? Hoping to see more of you around here.

__________Zoya

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 7:21:56 AM UTC-7, Mohit wrote:
> 'MoHsin' ko kuChh to Hadd-e-sitam kaa suraaGh de
> kab tak raqam karuuN maiN tiri mehrbaaniyaaN

***apni hastii meN jo maHduud hai, voh bhii mujrim
apni hastii se guzarnaa bhi sitam hotaa hai***

RK

nazr-e-Alup:

tire saath guzre hasiin lamhoN kii shoKhiyaaN
vahii rang-o-buu vahii raunkeN mire saath haiN

On Saturday 13 January 2024 at 16:34:11 UTC, Zoya wrote:
> nazr-e-Alup:
>
> tire saath guzre hasiin lamhoN kii shoKhiyaaN
> vahii rang-o-buu vahii raunkeN mire saath haiN

Zoya SaaHibah, aadaab 3arz hai

I hope you have had pleasant Christmas and New Year celebrations. Thank you for this shi3r. You are no doubt aware that we will no longer be able to post in ALUP here after 22/02/2024. You have probably scene UVR SaaHib's post. I have spoken with Raj Kumar SaaHib abouit this matter and asked him to have a word with you. This was before UVR SaaHib's post. I think it's time for us to move over to FB ALUP started by UVR SaaHin in September 2014. Obviously, this is everyone's personal decision.

Best Wishes,

Naseer

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 10:43:30 AM UTC-6, Naseer wrote:

> Zoya SaaHibah, aadaab 3arz hai

aadaab Naseer sahib,

> I hope you have had pleasant Christmas and New Year celebrations.

It’s been ok. I was on an extended trip to India. Soon after I got there, my dad became unwell and was hospitalized, pretty stressful. He is better now and I am back home.

Somehow, I didn’t feel like really celebrating the new year this time. With all that is going aroundthe world, I am uncertain what 2024 has in store. Let us hope for the best!

>Thank you for this shi3r.

Thanks, it kind of portrays my feelings for Alup.

>You are no doubt aware that we will no longer be able to post in ALUP here after 22/02/2024. You have probably scene UVR SaaHib's post. I have spoken with Raj Kumar SaaHib abouit this matter and asked him to have a word with you. This was before UVR SaaHib's post. I think it's time for us to move over to FB ALUP started by UVR SaaHin in September 2014. Obviously, this is everyone's personal decision.

Yes, I have been thinking about this for a few days and having an emotional reaction to it. Alup has been a constant in my life for a very long time, just took it for granted. Even though most members, myself included, have not been too active recently, the mere fact that Alup existed always gave me solace.

I have responded to UVR sahib in the other thread. As I said there, I am not much of an FB fan, but if that is the only channel to keep Alup alive, I am open to it. I had created FB account once, let me see if I can activate it.

One more thing, I am already having trouble typing and posting messages in Alup. On Microsoft edge, the message does not post even after I verify that I am not a robot. Anyways, I switched to Firefox to post earlier today. Just wondering if anyone else is having such issues.

> Best Wishes,
>
> Naseer

More later,

________Zoya

ab naye saal ki mohlat naheeN milne vaali
aa gaye ab to shab-o-roze azaaboN Vaale

On Saturday 13 January 2024 at 17:44:00 UTC, Zoya wrote:
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 10:43:30 AM UTC-6, Naseer wrote:
>
> > Zoya SaaHibah, aadaab 3arz hai
> aadaab Naseer sahib,
> > I hope you have had pleasant Christmas and New Year celebrations.
> It’s been ok. I was on an extended trip to India. Soon after I got there, my dad became unwell and was hospitalized, pretty stressful. He is better now and I am back home.
>
> Somehow, I didn’t feel like really celebrating the new year this time. With all that is going aroundthe world, I am uncertain what 2024 has in store. Let us hope for the best!
> >Thank you for this shi3r.
> Thanks, it kind of portrays my feelings for Alup.
> >You are no doubt aware that we will no longer be able to post in ALUP here after 22/02/2024. You have probably scene UVR SaaHib's post. I have spoken with Raj Kumar SaaHib abouit this matter and asked him to have a word with you. This was before UVR SaaHib's post. I think it's time for us to move over to FB ALUP started by UVR SaaHin in September 2014. Obviously, this is everyone's personal decision.
> Yes, I have been thinking about this for a few days and having an emotional reaction to it. Alup has been a constant in my life for a very long time, just took it for granted. Even though most members, myself included, have not been too active recently, the mere fact that Alup existed always gave me solace.
>
> I have responded to UVR sahib in the other thread. As I said there, I am not much of an FB fan, but if that is the only channel to keep Alup alive, I am open to it. I had created FB account once, let me see if I can activate it.
>
> One more thing, I am already having trouble typing and posting messages in Alup. On Microsoft edge, the message does not post even after I verify that I am not a robot. Anyways, I switched to Firefox to post earlier today. Just wondering if anyone else is having such issues.
>
> > Best Wishes,
> >
> > Naseer
>
> More later,
>
> ________Zoya
Zoya SaaHiba, aadaab
I have been trying to post for weeks but have faced the same problem as you have encountered. Only today I was able to post a messge to you. Thank you for your prompt response. Even now, I am having difficulty writing this message. I couldn't open the link to UVR SaaHib's link to Option 2. Naseer

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 1:29:53 PM UTC-6, Shoaib Tanvir wrote:

> ab naye saal ki mohlat naheeN milne vaali
> aa gaye ab to shab-o-roze azaaboN Vaale

aaye kuchh abr kuchh sharaab aaye
us ke baad aaye jo azaab aaye!

aadaab arz hai, Shoaib sahib.
Happy 2024? :)

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 6:20:59 PM UTC-6, Shoaib Tanvir wrote:
> > Happy 2024? :)
> Ik Brahman ne kaha hai ke yeh saal achchha hai 😉
>
> شدتِ تشنگی میں بھی غیرتِ مے کشی رہی
> اس نے جو پھیر لی نظر میں نے بھی جام رکھ دیا
Shoab sahib,
'kis' brahman ne kahaa hai k yeh saal achchaa hai?
vaise bhi, aap aisii baatoN par kab se vishwaas karne lage?? :)
aur "us ne jo pher lii nazar, ham ne bhi jaam rakh diya" par to aap yeh suniye:
ai husn-e-laala-faam, zaraa aaNkh to milaa!
khaalii paRe haiN jaam, zaraa aaNkh to milaa! :-)

After a long while, I've been thinking about a she'r by Majaaz. Here goes:

us mehfil-e-kaif-o-mastii meN, us anjuman-e-irfaanii meN
sab jaam-ba-kaf baiThhe hii rahe, ham pii bhi gaye, chhalkaa bhi gaye!

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 5:33:38 PM UTC-5, Zoya wrote:
> After a long while, I've been thinking about a she'r by Majaaz. Here goes:
>
> us mehfil-e-kaif-o-mastii meN, us anjuman-e-irfaanii meN
> sab jaam-ba-kaf baiThhe hii rahe, ham pii bhi gaye, chhalkaa bhi gaye!

Love this sh'er! So expertly recited in the movie Pyasa by ... perhaps Majaz himself? There's even an old ALUP thread about it. Goodness this newsgroup is full of gold! (https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.urdu.poetry/c/1HAOY7PGIKE)

rudaad-e-gham-e-ulfat unse, ham kya kahte kyuuN kar kahte
ik harf na nikla hoNThoN se, aur aaNkh meiN aaNsuu aa bhi gaye!

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 9:04:01 PM UTC-6, Amit Malhotra wrote:

> Love this sh'er! So expertly recited in the movie Pyasa by ... perhaps Majaz himself? There's even an old ALUP thread about it. Goodness this newsgroup is full of gold! (https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.urdu.poetry/c/1HAOY7PGIKE)

Amit, I totally agree.
Alup archives are a gold mine, so grateful all this will be preserved and remain searchable.

> rudaad-e-gham-e-ulfat unse, ham kya kahte kyuuN kar kahte
> ik harf na nikla hoNThoN se, aur aaNkh meiN aaNsuu aa bhi gaye!

Ahhhh Majaaz. I find all his ghazals so lyrical, flowing gently. Exquisite.

One more, in same behr:

ai shauq-e-nazaara kyaa kahiye nazroN meN koii suurat hi nahiiN
ai zauq-e-tasavvur kyaa kiije, ham suurat-e-jaanaaN bhuul gaye!

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 11:27:23 PM UTC-5, Zoya wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 9:04:01 PM UTC-6, Amit Malhotra wrote:
>
> > Love this sh'er! So expertly recited in the movie Pyasa by ... perhaps Majaz himself? There's even an old ALUP thread about it. Goodness this newsgroup is full of gold! (https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.urdu.poetry/c/1HAOY7PGIKE)
> Amit, I totally agree.
> Alup archives are a gold mine, so grateful all this will be preserved and remain searchable.
> > rudaad-e-gham-e-ulfat unse, ham kya kahte kyuuN kar kahte
> > ik harf na nikla hoNThoN se, aur aaNkh meiN aaNsuu aa bhi gaye!
> Ahhhh Majaaz. I find all his ghazals so lyrical, flowing gently. Exquisite.
>
> One more, in same behr:
>
> ai shauq-e-nazaara kyaa kahiye nazroN meN koii suurat hi nahiiN
> ai zauq-e-tasavvur kyaa kiije, ham suurat-e-jaanaaN bhuul gaye!

voh sitaara thi, ke shabnam thi, ke pool
eik soorat thi ajab yaad naheeN!

وہ ستارہ تھی کہ شبنم تھی کہ پھول
ایک صورت تھی عجب یاد نہیں

On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:03:25 PM UTC-6, Shoaib Tanvir wrote:

> voh sitaara thi, ke shabnam thi, ke pool
> eik soorat thi ajab yaad naheeN!

shaayad huzuur se koii raghbat mujhe bhii ho
aaNkhoN meN jhaaNk kar mujhe pehchaan jaaiiye! :)

On Thursday 18 January 2024 at 21:35:07 UTC, Zoya wrote:
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:03:25 PM UTC-6, Shoaib Tanvir wrote:
>
> > voh sitaara thi, ke shabnam thi, ke pool
> > eik soorat thi ajab yaad naheeN!
> shaayad huzuur se koii raghbat mujhe bhii ho
> aaNkhoN meN jhaaNk kar mujhe pehchaan jaaiiye! :)

Zoya SaaHibah aadaab.

It's a pity ALUP Google Groups (like this group) do not have an "edit" facility. Without this facility we may think that Shoaib SaaHib's maHbuubah could be a "taalaab"! :-)

Naseer

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 9:04:45 AM UTC-6, Naseer wrote:
> On Thursday 18 January 2024 at 21:35:07 UTC, Zoya wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 3:03:25 PM UTC-6, Shoaib Tanvir wrote:
> >
> > > voh sitaara thi, ke shabnam thi, ke pool
> > > eik soorat thi ajab yaad naheeN!

> > shaayad huzuur se koii raghbat mujhe bhii ho
> > aaNkhoN meN jhaaNk kar mujhe pehchaan jaaiiye! :)

> Zoya SaaHibah aadaab.

>
> It's a pity ALUP Google Groups (like this group) do not have an "edit" facility. Without this facility we may think that Shoaib SaaHib's maHbuubah could be a "taalaab"! :-)

Naseer sahib, I noticed the 'pool' too. Well, it could be "taalaab", or it could be a group of "maHbuubahs", I mean he could be 'pooling' a whole bunch of them together! :-))

But we can't really pick on him for this, he has his tracks covered by posting 'phool' in Urdu script.

But 'maHbuubah'? Really?? I would have typed 'mehbuuba'. Would you let me get away with that? :)

Talking about editing, I posted the above she'r from my long term memory, and am now thinking that it is actually 'nisbat', not 'raghbat' in the first misra. So, the edited version is:

shaayad huzuur se koii nisbat mujhe bhii ho
aaNkhoN meN jhaaNk kar mujhe pehchaan jaaiiye!

_____________Zoya