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|             | `* Re: aaj kaa she'r (#4)Naseer
|             `- Re: aaj kaa she'r (#4)Zoya
`* https://sadpoetryweb.com/SHAH ZAIB

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 by: Dinesh Shenoy - Tue, 15 Feb 2022 00:54 UTC

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 11:30:57 AM UTC-7, Zoya wrote:

<snip>

maiN ne JE kaa jo she'r unheN sunaaya, vohi aap bhi sun liijiye:
>
> vafaa, iKhlaas, qurbaanii, muhabbat
> ab in lafzoN ka pichhaa kyuN kareN ham?
>
> My friend was like "what?????". I am sure you will appreciate this one more! :-))
>
> Disillusioned, but not completely,
> ________Zoya :)

Zoya sahiba,

Valentine's Day par Jaun Eliya ko quote karna ... not good :) kyuN ki what little I have read of his works, it has mostly been about heartbreak. Check out his Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaun_Elia says (not that I believe everything that is stated there), his poetry is known for "unending pain of separation" :) You know I am joking, right? :)

Regarding andesha-e-ruswaii ...

fahm-O-idraak se balaa hai ye andaaz-e-wafaa
tum kO andesha-e-ruswaii bhi hai, pyar bhi hai

Dinesh

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On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:54:56 PM UTC-6, Dinesh Shenoy wrote:

> Zoya sahiba,
>
> Valentine's Day par Jaun Eliya ko quote karna ... not good :)

aap sahiih farmaa rahe haiN Dinesh sahib, maiN Khud bhi yahii soch rahi thii! Not good. :)

kyuN ki what little I have read of his works, it has mostly been about heartbreak. Check out his Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaun_Elia says (not that I believe everything that is stated there), his poetry is known for "unending pain of separation" :) You know I am joking, right? :)

You are? :-)

vaise aksar yuuN hotaa hai k mujhe Shoaib sahib ko dekh kar to zaruur Jaun Eliya ke asha'ar yaad aane lagte haiN. ST was always a huge JE fan, much before the masses discovered JE. In fact, he is the friend who first introduced me to JE's poetry almost twenty years ago, and it has really grown on me over time.
> Regarding andesha-e-ruswaii ...
>
> fahm-O-idraak se balaa hai ye andaaz-e-wafaa
> tum kO andesha-e-ruswaii bhi hai, pyar bhi hai

kya baat hai Dinesh sahib, bahut Khuub!

andesha-e-rusvaaii bhi aur pyaar bhi?? is baat par to aap yeh suniye:

voh mere naam ki nisbat se mo'tbar Thehre
galii galii miri rusvaaiioN kaa saathi ho!

That's the way to go, right? :)

________Zoya

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Friends,

Greetings from India. I am visiting my dad these days, and really cherishing my time with him.

As if the world has not seen enough turmoil in the last two years, the heartbreaking images from Ukraine are unbearable.
These days, I often think of Sahir Ludhianvi's nazm "ai shariif insaano":

Khuun apnaa ho yaa paraayaa ho
nasl-e-aadam ka Khuun hai aaKhir
jaNg mashriq meN ho k maghrib meN
amn-e-aalam ka Khuun hai aaKhir :-(

_______Zoya

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On Friday, March 11, 2022 at 11:41:10 AM UTC-5, Zoya wrote:
> Friends,
>
> Greetings from India. I am visiting my dad these days, and really cherishing my time with him.
>
> As if the world has not seen enough turmoil in the last two years, the heartbreaking images from Ukraine are unbearable.
> These days, I often think of Sahir Ludhianvi's nazm "ai shariif insaano":
>
> Khuun apnaa ho yaa paraayaa ho
> nasl-e-aadam ka Khuun hai aaKhir
> jaNg mashriq meN ho k maghrib meN
> amn-e-aalam ka Khuun hai aaKhir :-(
>
> _______Zoya
>

Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

This reminds me of a humble qat'a of mine:

sar ham ne sitaaroN ko kiyaa aur zameeN ke
kal jaise the haalaat, kam-o-besh vuhii haiN
jangeN bhii haiN, KhuuN-rezii bhii, nafrat bhii hai, shar bhii
yaanii ki masaa'il hameN darpesh vuhii haiN!

Please convey my most sincere regards to your dad.

Irfan :Abid:

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On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:28:57 PM UTC-5, Irfan Abid wrote:

> Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

aadaab Irfan sahib,
>
> This reminds me of a humble qat'a of mine:
>
> sar ham ne sitaaroN ko kiyaa aur zameeN ke
> kal jaise the haalaat, kam-o-besh vuhii haiN
> jangeN bhii haiN, KhuuN-rezii bhii, nafrat bhii hai, shar bhii
> yaanii ki masaa'il hameN darpesh vuhii haiN!
I am sitting with dad right now, and just read your qat'a to him. His compliments, and verbatim response to you:
"This kind of poetry was very popular after the second world war, when there was a dire need for peace in the world. Then we became complacent, and believed there will be no more major wars. The current attack on Ukraine is a stark reminder for the revival of this kind of poetry once again."

> Please convey my most sincere regards to your dad.

> Irfan :Abid:

I just did, and asked dad to recite a she'r for me to post in this thread. He quoted from a ghazal that he had heard years ago, from Sahir Ludhianvi himself during one of his visits to Ludhiana. So, pesh hai aaj kaa she'r:

naghmaa jo hai to ruuH meN hai, nai meN kuchh nahiiN
gar tujh meN kuchh nahiiN, to kisii shai meN kuchh nahiiN

Sahir's hometown girl,
______Zoya

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 by: Irfan Abid - Sun, 20 Mar 2022 04:46 UTC

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 10:44:37 AM UTC-4, Zoya wrote:
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 10:28:57 PM UTC-5, Irfan Abid wrote:
>
> > Zoya sahiba, aadaab!
>
> aadaab Irfan sahib,
> >
> > This reminds me of a humble qat'a of mine:
> >
> > sar ham ne sitaaroN ko kiyaa aur zameeN ke
> > kal jaise the haalaat, kam-o-besh vuhii haiN
> > jangeN bhii haiN, KhuuN-rezii bhii, nafrat bhii hai, shar bhii
> > yaanii ki masaa'il hameN darpesh vuhii haiN!
> I am sitting with dad right now, and just read your qat'a to him. His compliments, and verbatim response to you:
> "This kind of poetry was very popular after the second world war, when there was a dire need for peace in the world. Then we became complacent, and believed there will be no more major wars. The current attack on Ukraine is a stark reminder for the revival of this kind of poetry once again."
> > Please convey my most sincere regards to your dad.
>
> > Irfan :Abid:
> I just did, and asked dad to recite a she'r for me to post in this thread.. He quoted from a ghazal that he had heard years ago, from Sahir Ludhianvi himself during one of his visits to Ludhiana. So, pesh hai aaj kaa she'r:
>
> naghmaa jo hai to ruuH meN hai, nai meN kuchh nahiiN
> gar tujh meN kuchh nahiiN, to kisii shai meN kuchh nahiiN
>
> Sahir's hometown girl,
> ______Zoya
>

Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

Thanks a lot for sharing my qat'a with your dad and his thoughts with me. Please convey my gratitude and deepest regards to your dad.

An acquaintance on social media expressed concerns today that the collective secular/socialist/Gandhian philosophy of the (political) opposition in India seems to have died in the tirade of hate and bigotry launched by those in power, and wondered when it will be reestablished among the people. A she'r was born in my mind after reading his thoughts, which is my she'r of the day.

zamaanaa jab kahegaa, bujh chukii hai aag ab saarii
taRap kar raakh se niklegii ik Khaamosh chingaarii

Sincerely,
Irfan :Abid:

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 by: Zoya - Mon, 21 Mar 2022 07:37 UTC

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 11:46:14 PM UTC-5, Irfan Abid wrote:

> Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

aadaab Irfan sahib.

> Thanks a lot for sharing my qat'a with your dad and his thoughts with me. Please convey my gratitude and deepest regards to your dad.

You are most welcome. Totally my pleasure, from both ends.

> An acquaintance on social media expressed concerns today that the collective secular/socialist/Gandhian philosophy of the (political) opposition in India seems to have died in the tirade of hate and bigotry launched by those in power, and wondered when it will be reestablished among the people. A she'r was born in my mind after reading his thoughts, which is my she'r of the day.

> zamaanaa jab kahegaa, bujh chukii hai aag ab saarii
> taRap kar raakh se niklegii ik Khaamosh chingaarii

kyaa hii hasb-e-Haal she'r hai, bahut Khuub. daad qubuul kiijiye.

Your acquaintance's concerns are generally valid. However, one of the highlights of my current stay in Punjab is that I have in person witnessed general public's enthusiastic reactions to the most recent election results. Everybody seems to be infused with a new hope for a brighter future for the state. To quote dad's response to your she'r, "A spark has been ignited here, hopefully the flames of positive change will spread."
> Sincerely,
> Irfan :Abid:

Thanks,
________Zoya

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 by: Irfan Abid - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 03:10 UTC

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:37:40 AM UTC-4, Zoya wrote:
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 11:46:14 PM UTC-5, Irfan Abid wrote:
>
> > Zoya sahiba, aadaab!
> aadaab Irfan sahib.
> > Thanks a lot for sharing my qat'a with your dad and his thoughts with me. Please convey my gratitude and deepest regards to your dad.
> You are most welcome. Totally my pleasure, from both ends.
> > An acquaintance on social media expressed concerns today that the collective secular/socialist/Gandhian philosophy of the (political) opposition in India seems to have died in the tirade of hate and bigotry launched by those in power, and wondered when it will be reestablished among the people. A she'r was born in my mind after reading his thoughts, which is my she'r of the day.
>
> > zamaanaa jab kahegaa, bujh chukii hai aag ab saarii
> > taRap kar raakh se niklegii ik Khaamosh chingaarii
> kyaa hii hasb-e-Haal she'r hai, bahut Khuub. daad qubuul kiijiye.
>
> Your acquaintance's concerns are generally valid. However, one of the highlights of my current stay in Punjab is that I have in person witnessed general public's enthusiastic reactions to the most recent election results. Everybody seems to be infused with a new hope for a brighter future for the state. To quote dad's response to your she'r, "A spark has been ignited here, hopefully the flames of positive change will spread."
>
> > Sincerely,
> > Irfan :Abid:
>
> Thanks,
> ________Zoya
>

Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

Thanks for the appreciation! It's good to know that people of Punjab are buoyed by AAP's win. I wish their hopes come true. I had a strong admiration for this party and its leadership for a long time, but a couple of recent experiences have begun to change my view. But I don't want to delve into it here. I try to keep politics out of this forum and only discuss it when necessary, such as when giving you the context for the she'r I shared.

Speaking of context, I don't think I need to give one for the she'r I am sharing today. This one was also born recently and has spawned a complete Ghazal. I am still working on the Ghazal, but here is the she'r (matla') for you:

kyaa kareN tan ko libaasoN meN chhupaane vaale
noch lete haiN ridaa sar se zamaane vaale

Sincerely,
Irfan :Abid:

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 by: Amit Malhotra - Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:20 UTC

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 11:10:11 PM UTC-4, Irfan Abid wrote:

> > > zamaanaa jab kahegaa, bujh chukii hai aag ab saarii
> > > taRap kar raakh se niklegii ik Khaamosh chingaarii

> kyaa kareN tan ko libaasoN meN chhupaane vaale
> noch lete haiN ridaa sar se zamaane vaale
>

waah! on both of them. Especially the first one...

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 by: Zoya - Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:22 UTC

On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:10:11 PM UTC-5, Irfan Abid wrote:

> Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

aadaab, Irfan sahib,

> Thanks for the appreciation! It's good to know that people of Punjab are buoyed by AAP's win. I wish their hopes come true. I had a strong admiration for this party and its leadership for a long time, but a couple of recent experiences have begun to change my view. But I don't want to delve into it here. I try to keep politics out of this forum and only discuss it when necessary, such as when giving you the context for the she'r I shared.

Yes, having repeatedly tried options A and B, most people here seem to believe that option 'C' will work better, hope they will not be disillusioned. And I totally understand and second your position about generally staying away from politics in this forum, except when in context of poetry.

> Speaking of context, I don't think I need to give one for the she'r I am sharing today. This one was also born recently and has spawned a complete Ghazal. I am still working on the Ghazal, but here is the she'r (matla') for you:
>
> kyaa kareN tan ko libaasoN meN chhupaane vaale
> noch lete haiN ridaa sar se zamaane vaale

Irfan sahib, you have a true gift to be able to convey your feelings about intense topics in a subtle, poetic way. I will look forward to reading this complete ghazal.

> Sincerely,
> Irfan :Abid:

_______ Zoya

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abhi kal hi meri Amjad Islam Amjad sahib se baat ho rahi thi to maiN ne Hasb-e-ma'muul un se apnaa koii she'r sunaane ki farmai'sh kii.

so pesh haiN aaj ke asha'ar:

kuchh vazaaHat na iltijaa kiije
sach kahaa hai to Hauslaa kiije

jhuuT se bhii buraa hai aadhaa sach
is se behtar hai chup rahaa kiije

lafz se se bhii Kharaash paRtii hai
tabsiraa soch kar kiyaa kiije

Amjad Islam Amjad

________Zoya

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 by: Irfan Abid - Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:03 UTC

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 1:20:25 PM UTC-4, ami...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 11:10:11 PM UTC-4, Irfan Abid wrote:
>
> > > > zamaanaa jab kahegaa, bujh chukii hai aag ab saarii
> > > > taRap kar raakh se niklegii ik Khaamosh chingaarii
> > kyaa kareN tan ko libaasoN meN chhupaane vaale
> > noch lete haiN ridaa sar se zamaane vaale
> >
> waah! on both of them. Especially the first one...
>

Amit sb, aadaab!

What a pleasant surprise! Glad to see you here after a long time. Hope all is well.

Irfan :Abid:

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 by: Irfan Abid - Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:12 UTC

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 8:34:39 AM UTC-4, Zoya wrote:
> abhi kal hi meri Amjad Islam Amjad sahib se baat ho rahi thi to maiN ne Hasb-e-ma'muul un se apnaa koii she'r sunaane ki farmai'sh kii.
>
> so pesh haiN aaj ke asha'ar:
>
> kuchh vazaaHat na iltijaa kiije
> sach kahaa hai to Hauslaa kiije
>
> jhuuT se bhii buraa hai aadhaa sach
> is se behtar hai chup rahaa kiije
>
> lafz se se bhii Kharaash paRtii hai
> tabsiraa soch kar kiyaa kiije
>
> Amjad Islam Amjad
>
> ________Zoya
>

Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

bahut Khuub! This is Amjad sb's signature stuff.

I had the pleasure of meeting and listening to 'Saud' Usmani sb who was the sadr of the musharia I attended yesterday. Here is a she'r he recited.

ragoN meN jamte hue ḳhuun kii tarah hai 'Saud'
vo harf-e-hijr jo us ne abhii kahaa bhii nahiiN (Saud Usmani)

Irfan :Abid:

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 by: Zoya - Fri, 8 Apr 2022 21:53 UTC

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:12:47 AM UTC-5, Irfan Abid wrote:

> I had the pleasure of meeting and listening to 'Saud' Usmani sb who was the sadr of the musharia I attended yesterday. Here is a she'r he recited.

Irfan sahib, Sorry for a little delay in replying. I've been in transit, and then jet lagged, also catching up on a lot of stuff at home.
> ragoN meN jamte hue ḳhuun kii tarah hai 'Saud'
> vo harf-e-hijr jo us ne abhii kahaa bhii nahiiN (Saud Usmani)

bahut Khuub. is she'r ko paRh kar mere zehn meN besaaKhtaa do asha'ar aa rahe haiN, donoN hi sunte jaaiye.

pehle Faraz:

yeh qurb kyaa hai k tuu saamne hai aur hameN
shumaar abhi se judaaii ki sa'ateN karnii

aur phir Jaun Eliya:

kyaa kahaa ishq jaavedaanii hai
aaKhrii baar mil rahii ho kyaa??

> Irfan :Abid:

ab aap yeh bataaiye k aap ne us mehfil meN apnii kaun sii ghazal (eN) sunaaii(N)? yaqiinan sabhii ko aap ka kalaam pasand aayaa ho gaa.

______Zoya

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 by: Irfan Abid - Sun, 10 Apr 2022 18:38 UTC

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:53:34 PM UTC-4, Zoya wrote:
> On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:12:47 AM UTC-5, Irfan Abid wrote:
>
> > I had the pleasure of meeting and listening to 'Saud' Usmani sb who was the sadr of the musharia I attended yesterday. Here is a she'r he recited.
> Irfan sahib, Sorry for a little delay in replying. I've been in transit, and then jet lagged, also catching up on a lot of stuff at home.
> > ragoN meN jamte hue ḳhuun kii tarah hai 'Saud'
> > vo harf-e-hijr jo us ne abhii kahaa bhii nahiiN (Saud Usmani)
> bahut Khuub. is she'r ko paRh kar mere zehn meN besaaKhtaa do asha'ar aa rahe haiN, donoN hi sunte jaaiye.
>
> pehle Faraz:
>
> yeh qurb kyaa hai k tuu saamne hai aur hameN
> shumaar abhi se judaaii ki sa'ateN karnii
>
> aur phir Jaun Eliya:
>
> kyaa kahaa ishq jaavedaanii hai
> aaKhrii baar mil rahii ho kyaa??
>
> > Irfan :Abid:
>
> ab aap yeh bataaiye k aap ne us mehfil meN apnii kaun sii ghazal (eN) sunaaii(N)? yaqiinan sabhii ko aap ka kalaam pasand aayaa ho gaa.
>
> ______Zoya
>

Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

Welcome back and thanks for sharing two wonderful ash'aar! I recited a couple of qat'aat and two Ghazals. I am sharing a qat'a here and posting a Ghazal in a separate thread.

tadbiir-e-ihtiyaat kaa aalam na puuchhiye
har ek naao Thahre hue paaniyoN meN hai
saahil pe jaa pahuNchne kii Khvaahish bajaa, magar
lutf-e-safar to asl meN tuGhyaaniyoN meN hai!

niyaazmand,
Irfan :Abid:

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 by: Zoya - Sat, 16 Apr 2022 20:18 UTC

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:38:11 PM UTC-5, Irfan Abid wrote:

> Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

aadaab Irfan sahib,

> Welcome back and thanks for sharing two wonderful ash'aar!

Thank you Irfan sahib. You can tell I had a lot more free time while in India, ahhhh how I miss the full time cook and cleaner, and the personal chauffeur! :)

I recited a couple of qat'aat and two Ghazals. I am sharing a qat'a here and posting a Ghazal in a separate thread.
> tadbiir-e-ihtiyaat kaa aalam na puuchhiye
> har ek naao Thahre hue paaniyoN meN hai
> saahil pe jaa pahuNchne kii Khvaahish bajaa, magar
> lutf-e-safar to asl meN tuGhyaaniyoN meN hai!

I just love the tarkiib "tadbiir-e-ihtiyaat", I don't think I have seen it before. Brilliant. Planning to be cautious, hmmmmm, doesn't always work though. But then of course you are talking about the fun on the flip side in the second half of the qat'aa. Very nice. daad qubuul kiijiye.

> niyaazmand,
> Irfan :Abid:

Thanks for sharing.

_______Zoya

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 by: Irfan Abid - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:20 UTC

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 4:18:15 PM UTC-4, Zoya wrote:
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:38:11 PM UTC-5, Irfan Abid wrote:
>
> > Zoya sahiba, aadaab!
> aadaab Irfan sahib,
> > Welcome back and thanks for sharing two wonderful ash'aar!
> Thank you Irfan sahib. You can tell I had a lot more free time while in India, ahhhh how I miss the full time cook and cleaner, and the personal chauffeur! :)
> I recited a couple of qat'aat and two Ghazals. I am sharing a qat'a here and posting a Ghazal in a separate thread.
>
> > tadbiir-e-ihtiyaat kaa aalam na puuchhiye
> > har ek naao Thahre hue paaniyoN meN hai
> > saahil pe jaa pahuNchne kii Khvaahish bajaa, magar
> > lutf-e-safar to asl meN tuGhyaaniyoN meN hai!
> I just love the tarkiib "tadbiir-e-ihtiyaat", I don't think I have seen it before. Brilliant. Planning to be cautious, hmmmmm, doesn't always work though. But then of course you are talking about the fun on the flip side in the second half of the qat'aa. Very nice. daad qubuul kiijiye.
>
> > niyaazmand,
> > Irfan :Abid:
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> _______Zoya
>

Zoya sahiba, aadaab!

Thanks a lot for the appreciation! Here is another qat'a I presented in the mushaira.

qudrat kaa faislaa hai, kuchh bhii na munjamid ho
vaqt-e-ravaaN kii rau meN har shai pighal rahii hai
ham hii meN aib thaa jo taa umr ham na badle
varnaa to raftaa raftaa dunyaa badal rahii hai

niyaazmand,
Irfan :Abid:

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Ishq karte hain us parii-ru se,
'meer' sahib bhi kya deewane hain... - you-know-who

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On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:36:24 PM UTC-7, Mohit wrote:
> Ishq karte hain us parii-ru se,
> 'meer' sahib bhi kya deewane hain... - you-know-who

***Mohit sahib, aaj kal har zii-hosh shaKhs maHfil-e-ALUP ka ruKh karne se gurez karta hai. aek aap haiN k, hosh-o-Havaas ko baalaa-e-taaq rakh kar, idhar aa nikle haiN. Same here!

Huzuur, aap ke pesh-karda she'r meN, az-ruu-e-baHr, saHiiH lafz "divaane" hai, "deevaane"nahiiN hai! ain usi taraH jaise Miir ke is she'r meN

dhuum hai phir bahaar aane kii
kuchh karo fikr mujh divaane kii

R.K.***

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 by: Mohit - Mon, 2 May 2022 03:48 UTC

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 6:57:20 AM UTC+5:30, Raj Kumar wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:36:24 PM UTC-7, Mohit wrote:
> > Ishq karte hain us parii-ru se,
> > 'meer' sahib bhi kya deewane hain... - you-know-who
> ***Mohit sahib, aaj kal har zii-hosh shaKhs maHfil-e-ALUP ka ruKh karne se gurez karta hai. aek aap haiN k, hosh-o-Havaas ko baalaa-e-taaq rakh kar, idhar aa nikle haiN. Same here!
>
> Huzuur, aap ke pesh-karda she'r meN, az-ruu-e-baHr, saHiiH lafz "divaane" hai, "deevaane"nahiiN hai! ain usi taraH jaise Miir ke is she'r meN
>
> dhuum hai phir bahaar aane kii
> kuchh karo fikr mujh divaane kii
>
> R.K.***

Sir muaafi, I have read urdu in Devnaagri probably that's the reason of my errors, sincerely apologise for the same... baaki ALUP padhta rehta hoon... itni jaldi nahi chhodkar jaaunga

my all time favorite
hazrat-e-daagh jahaN baith gaye, baith gaye,
aur hoNge tirii mehfil se ubharne wale...

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ek she'r pichchle dinoN Shoaib sahib se sunaa tha. yeh to mujhe nahiiN ma'alum k she'r hai kis kaa, magar yeh mere zehn meN aTkaa hua hai. sochaa aap sab ko bhi sunaati chaluuN:

go tark-e-ta'alluq meN bhii shaamil haiN kaii dukh
be_kaif ta'alluq ke bhii aazaar bahut haiN!

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 by: Zoya - Tue, 10 May 2022 01:49 UTC

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 10:48:02 PM UTC-5, Mohit wrote:

> Sir muaafi, I have read urdu in Devnaagri probably that's the reason of my errors, sincerely apologise for the same... baaki ALUP padhta rehta hoon... itni jaldi nahi chhodkar jaaunga
>
> my all time favorite
> hazrat-e-daagh jahaN baith gaye, baith gaye,
> aur hoNge tirii mehfil se ubharne wale...

Mohit, aap ki is baat aur is she'r par to maiN bas yahii keh sakti huuN:

hazrat-e-Daagh, hai yeh kuucha-e-qaatil uThiye
jis jagah baiThte haiN aap to jam jaate haiN! :-)

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 by: Mohit - Tue, 10 May 2022 03:54 UTC

> Mohit, aap ki is baat aur is she'r par to maiN bas yahii keh sakti huuN:
>
> hazrat-e-Daagh, hai yeh kuucha-e-qaatil uThiye
> jis jagah baiThte haiN aap to jam jaate haiN! :-)

aur mam is sher par mujhe ye sher yaad aaya

ab to jaate haiñ but-kade se 'meer'
phir mileNge agar ḳhuda laaya :)

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 by: Raj Kumar - Tue, 10 May 2022 04:13 UTC

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 8:54:42 PM UTC-7, Mohit wrote:
> > Mohit, aap ki is baat aur is she'r par to maiN bas yahii keh sakti huuN:
> >
> > hazrat-e-Daagh, hai yeh kuucha-e-qaatil uThiye
> > jis jagah baiThte haiN aap to jam jaate haiN! :-)
> aur mam is sher par mujhe ye sher yaad aaya
>
> ab to jaate haiñ but-kade se 'meer'
> phir mileNge agar ḳhuda laaya :)

***aap kaheN ge "phir aa gayaa GhalatiyaaN nikaalne vaalaa". kyaa karuuN, Mohit ji, aadat se majbuur huuN. :-)

mere Khayaal meN, yahaaN "but-kade" ki bajaaye "mai-kade" hona chaahiye. Please double check!

R.K.***

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Subject: Re: aaj kaa she'r (#4)
From: mohitmis...@gmail.com (Mohit)
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 by: Mohit - Tue, 10 May 2022 06:58 UTC

sir mujhe bhi mai-kada yaad tha, lekin is baar reference Rekhta se liya hai...

> ***aap kaheN ge "phir aa gayaa GhalatiyaaN nikaalne vaalaa". kyaa karuuN, Mohit ji, aadat se majbuur huuN. :-)
>
> mere Khayaal meN, yahaaN "but-kade" ki bajaaye "mai-kade" hona chaahiye. Please double check!
>
> R.K.***

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