i almost forgot about these two:

* "being human" (uk version):
this started off great, but as the seasons progressed the actors started
leaving and were replaced with inferiors. when the actor who played
"john mitchell" left to star in peter jackson's "hobbit" film everyone
could read the writing on the wall.

* "misfits" (uk show):
the quality literally nosedived right after sheehan left to do other
projects.
his replacement "rudy" was awful.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:

> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 07:50:38 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:

>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>>> no_offline_contact@example.com wrote:

>>>> Now, what would be on YOUR list of shows that you loved and then
>>>> hated?

>>> HEROES:
>>> I loved the first season but quit watching the second when they made
>>> the heroes' sacrifice to stop Skylar pointless.
>>
>> I quit watching somewhere around the pilot

In the late first season, there was an episode set in the future, and it
was fantastic. Then they backpedaled from it, and didn't do anything
that good again. This showed me that they knew how to do something
really good, but they were making a conscious choice not to, because
they liked something else better, something that left me much less
impressed. I stopped watching after three eps. into the second season.

> I watched it till the end. That's part of my curse because if I get
> into a show I find myself wanting to see it till the end. That said
> the show certainly fell apart over time.

Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but I've gotten more ruthless
about cutting the dead weight loose. There's so much content out there
now with more to come that I'm much less forbearing of downturns in
quality, or even of new shifts in plot or character that don't engage
me. I thought that the first season of _House MD_ was terrific, because
while House was a jerk, he was always a jerk for a reason. By the
second season, the creators realized it was simply the jerk part that
the viewers were responding to. I stayed with it into, I think, the
third season, but gave up when even a teenage stranger could lecture
House with the authorial voice about what was wrong with him.

-Micky

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:

> On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 10:00:50 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:

>> Serious question. Would you have forgiven Angel had they said "we had
>> to get rid of Doyle because the actor is a suicidal junkie" rather
>> than "we had this planned from the beginning"? Or would you have then
>> just hated them for torpedoing Doyle?
>>
>> I liked the loss of Doyle. I think Wesley the rogue watcher demon
>> hunterwas a much better replacement, and I think the death of Doyle
>> set the stage for this series where the lead was immortal, but any of
>> his friends could die. Doyle, Cordelia, Fred, Wesley…
>
> Bringing Wesley in was a fine addition. I liked Doyle but was okay
> with his loss as it showed that there were real stakes in the show.
> What I didn't like was the pretense that his loss was planned from the
> beginning. No need to get into why the show was parting ways with the
> actor but also no need to try and gaslight the viewers.

I liked both Doyle and Wesley, and can make allowances for trying not to
make things harder on an actor undergoing a bad time. I was originally
unforgiving of J. Michael Straczynski for pretending like he hadn't
reworked the pilot to _Babylon 5_ to make it look like he had planned
for Michael O'Hare to exit after the first season all along. After I
learned why O'Hare left, though, I gained some respect for Straczynski
protecting O'Hare. I'm now more tolerant of creative collaborators
shielding one another's privacy. Such things aren't really our
business.

-Micky

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> writes:

> There's an idea for a new product, Vamp Vapors. The kids would be
> lining up for it. Smoke your very first vampire without the danger.

They grew pot in zombie dust in _Z Nation_ to evidently exhilerating
effect.

-Micky

Micky DuPree <MDuPree@theworld.com.snip.to.reply> wrote:

>>. . .

>I liked both Doyle and Wesley, and can make allowances for trying not to
>make things harder on an actor undergoing a bad time. I was originally
>unforgiving of J. Michael Straczynski for pretending like he hadn't
>reworked the pilot to _Babylon 5_ to make it look like he had planned
>for Michael O'Hare to exit after the first season all along. After I
>learned why O'Hare left, though, I gained some respect for Straczynski
>protecting O'Hare. I'm now more tolerant of creative collaborators
>shielding one another's privacy. Such things aren't really our
>business.

What does one have to do with the other? Yes, Michael O'Hare was allowed
to retire prematurely with some measure of privacy, but Kosh greeting
Sinclair as Valen in the re-edited pilot episode was outrageous. That
had zilch to do with protecting O'Hare's privacy and there's no reason
for you to claim otherwise.

Nothing in the pilot's original edit precluded Sinclair from becoming
Valen if O'Hare hadn't been forced to retire.

Generally, I preferred the pilot episode's original edit to the edit for
TNT. I liked the original score and thought they shouldn't have replaced
it. I do agree that there were way too many commercial breaks. However,
it was just bizarre that, even though it was intended for a 120-minute
time slot, it wasn't edited to be readily shown in two hour-long parts
in second run syndication.

Similarly, I thought it was outrageous that In the Beginning gave
spoilers for the huge revalation about Delenn's direct guilt for war
between humans and Minbari which wouldn't come till season 4. A viewer
new to Babylon 5 at the time might have thought that watching an episode
titled "In the Beginning" should be watched first.

On Feb 21, 2023 at 1:03:19 PM PST, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 11:52:49 -0800, Ian J. Ball <IJBall@mac.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-02-21 18:14:13 +0000, BTR1701 said:
>>
>>> In article <tt2u32$16i55$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This article just came up in my newsfeed and it was very much on-topic
>>>> for this newsgroup:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishabassi/popular-tv-shows-people-hated
>>>>
>>>> For what it's worth, I actually stayed to the end of some of the series
>>>> on their list, including Orange is the New Black, Weeds, and Dexter. But
>>>> I only ever watched two episodes of Walking Dead and was bored to tears
>>>> for both of those so never went past that.
>>>>
>>>> Now, what would be on YOUR list of shows that you loved and then hated?
>>>>
>>>> I don't have the time to think of 25 out of all the shows I've ever seen
>>>> and any list I made would probably change any given day but I'll mention
>>>> a few that come to mind off the top of my head.
>>>>
>>>> In no particular order:
>>>>
>>>> Lost - I only stayed to the end of Season 4 but at least half of that
>>>> was a hard slog before I finally realized the I no longer remotely cared
>>>> about the show. Mind you, I don't think I ever LOVED the show in the
>>>> first place: I just found it intriguing and was very curious to see
>>>> where it was going to go.
>>>
>>> I stayed with it longer than I normally would have for Evangeline Lilly.
>>
>> I like "Lost" on balance, but the final season was pretty bad, and the
>> ending was pretty unforgivable.
>
> Especially after spending so long trying to sell the viewers on how
> there is a plan that will bring all that we saw together in the end.
> It was a weak hand waving ending that didn't justify the hype.

Man Still Basking in Glow of Never Getting Sucked into That Show LOST

PAMPA, TX — Local man Jameson Leeds continues to revel in never getting duped
into watching that show LOST, unlike so many suckers around him.

"Those poor fools," laughed Mr. Leeds, chuckling. "Man, this feeling of
superiority - it just doesn't quit!"

Mr. Leeds said he still fondly recalls friends obsessively talking about LOST
being the greatest show in human history, only to watch their passion steadily
devolve into humiliating disappointment. "Their fandom was like watching a
slow-motion train wreck for five straight years, and it was glorious," said
Mr. Leeds. "They started off a happy little club of nerds, chanting some
number sequence that they were sure would one day mean something awesome.
Then, one by one each of them realized they had been hoodwinked. I still can't
stop smiling about it."

Though ultimately proved wiser and smarter than all of his friends, Mr. Leeds
admitted there were times he second-guessed his decision. "I'm not going to
lie, my friends worshipped that show so neurotically that I was tempted to try
it on a couple of occasions. Then one day I saw a trailer for the new season,
and some guy who had apparently escaped the island dramatically yelled, 'We
have to go back!'. Oh man, I knew I had dodged a bullet."

At publishing time, a giggling Mr. Leeds was continuing his quarterly
tradition of messaging his friends to ask them how they felt about the LOST
finale.

https://babylonbee.com/news/man-still-basking-in-glow-of-never-getting-sucked-into-that-show-lost