The Doctor wrote on 19/3/24 1:44 am:
> In article <ut948u$48rg$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 11:15 pm:
>>> In article <Ga1YBr$qczB@ATH>, Mickmane <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote:
>>>> On 17.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>> Mickmane wrote:
>>>>>> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why strangle Adric?
>>>>
>>>>> Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that
>>>>> was a good idea!
>>>>
>>>> Peri doesn't really stand out in my memory. I'd have to rewatch
>>>> to get an idea of what she was like.
>>>>
>>>> (And I already forgot what JNT stands for, some
>>>> producer/director/ whatever, but that never really counts with
>>>> me, I just look at the product. :) )
>>>
>>> Ever met J-NT?
>>
>> "Yellow Beard Yadallee" being as helpful as ever ...... *NOT*
>>
>> If Mickmane doesn't know what JNT stands for, do YOU, "Yellow
>> Beard Yadallee", really think he has met J-NT, "Yellow Beard
>> Yadallee"??
>
> Met him in Chicago 1993.

Oh!! Really?? I wouldn't have thought Mickmane had met J-NT, "Yellow
Beard Yadallee"!!
--
Daniel

The Doctor wrote on 19/3/24 1:44 am:
> In article <ut9662$4krh$1@dont-email.me>,
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Blueshirt wrote on 18/3/24 11:24 am:
>>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures
>>>> that the production team were under - especially in those
>>>> early days.
>>>
>>> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>>> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC
>>> not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor
>>> Who episodes on them!
>>
>> But would YOU, Blueshirt, be willing to hand over (pick a figure) 100's
>> of YOUR hard earned 1960's pounds to assist the BBC to purchase NEW
>> tapes so they could KEEP those 'Doctor Who' tapes ..... WOULD YOU??
>
> I might!!

Oh!! Well, good on you, Blueshirt!!
--
Daniel

The Last Doctor wrote on 18/3/24 11:30 pm:
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures that
>>> the production team were under - especially in those early days.
>>
>> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC not
>> to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor Who
>> episodes on them!
>
> Absolutely agreed on the preservation front.
>
> The 252 episodes of the first four seasons were aired over just 291
> weeks from 1963-1969 - less than 7 weeks a year without a new episode
> needed. So no wonder the padding was in there - you’d need 50% more
> stories otherwise, and with even less time to refine and develop each
> story.
>
> It was a punishing delivery pace

Did Coronation St keep up such a punishing pace back then ..... or did
they that a couple of months off each year??
--
Daniel

Daniel65 wrote:

> The Doctor wrote on 19/3/24 1:44 am:
> > In article <ut9662$4krh$1@dont-email.me>,
> >Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > But would YOU, Blueshirt, be willing to hand over (pick a
> > > figure) 100's of YOUR hard earned 1960's pounds to assist
> > > the BBC to purchase NEW tapes so they could KEEP those
> > > 'Doctor Who' tapes ..... WOULD YOU??
> >
> > I might!!
>
> Oh!! Well, good on you, Blueshirt!!

Why not? You can't take it with you!

Although it's easy enough to say when there's literally zero
chance of it actually happening.

Hi Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> The Last Doctor wrote on 18/3/24 11:30 pm:
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures that
>>>> the production team were under - especially in those early days.
>>>
>>> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>>> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC not
>>> to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor Who
>>> episodes on them!
>>
>> Absolutely agreed on the preservation front.
>>
>> The 252 episodes of the first four seasons were aired over just 291
>> weeks from 1963-1969 - less than 7 weeks a year without a new episode
>> needed. So no wonder the padding was in there - you’d need 50% more
>> stories otherwise, and with even less time to refine and develop each
>> story.
>>
>> It was a punishing delivery pace
>
> Did Coronation St keep up such a punishing pace back then ..... or did
> they that a couple of months off each year??

Coronation Street ran twice a week without a break from 1963 to 1989 and
actually increased to 3 times in 1989 then 4 from 1996, with occasional
extra events adding additional special episodes - and is now running at 6
episodes a week (this did drop to 3 for a while during the coronavirus
epidemic).

The key differences are a set of static sets and costumes that can be
bought off the peg in shops, far fewer special effects, focus on a regular
cast with few guest stars, long running interwoven plotlines featuring
different groups of cast members and of course a large writers room, which
needs to create engaging interpersonal storylines that blend together
rather than being independently written - but not much truly new or
creative. Due to being able to switch emphasis like that, significant
numbers of cast and crew can take holidays without the show having to take
a break.

A soap is a very different beast from an episodic science fiction show, no
matter what Aggie claims about modern Who.

--
“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

Mickmane wrote:

> On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>
> > I'm sure if you'd seen Peri in "Planet of Fire" she'd have
> > stood out!!!
>
> Names and I... I have to check what happens in that episode...
> Google mentions her being rescued from drowning, and I
> remember that and that she ended up in the TARDIS after.
>
> She still doesn't stand out.

Peri had a couple of good points.
> > I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who companion
> > that I had a 'thing' for...
>
> I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any
> companion. :P

Neither have I for the last few decades...

Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> Mickmane wrote:
>
>> On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure if you'd seen Peri in "Planet of Fire" she'd have
>>> stood out!!!
>>
>> Names and I... I have to check what happens in that episode...
>> Google mentions her being rescued from drowning, and I
>> remember that and that she ended up in the TARDIS after.
>>
>> She still doesn't stand out.
>
> Peri had a couple of good points.

Oooh, Matron!

Carry On, Doctor!

>>> I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who companion
>>> that I had a 'thing' for...
>>
>> I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any
>> companion. :P
>
> Neither have I for the last few decades...

--
“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

The Last Doctor wrote:

> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > The Last Doctor wrote:
> >>
> >> But if we’re to make lemonade with our lemons - we need to
> >> consider all of our ingredients as lemons.
> >
> > I'd just concentrate on the lemons of Doctor Who 1987-89 to
> > make a special recipe lemonade which I'd market as "McCoy's
> > Vintage Lemonade" !
> >
>
> OK - well let’s start at the very beginning there, too.
>
> Number one : fire John Nathan-Turner and hire Chris Boucher as
> producer and Graeme Harper as director. (I know - Boucher was
> a writer, but he is here freshly off the frustration of
> watching Star Cops not go quite the way he envisaged, and is
> in a would be producer mindset). Tell them Doctor Who in the
> mode of Star Cops is exactly what we’re aiming for.
>
> Number two: don’t hire Keff McCulloch for the music. Instead
> hire the master of TV scores of the 70s and 80s - Jeff Wayne.
> (Yes, he of War of the Worlds).
>
> To begin with, keep the title sequence from Colin Baker’s
> second season to maintain continuity. And because he’s going
> to be in the first episode (will explain to him that JN-T and
> the reception of the last season mean we have to go in another
> direction - but we’d like to have him back soon for a multi
> Doctor episode).
>
> The Rani’s opening salvo fails and she curses because she
> “wants them both”.
>
> So: the Sixth Doctor and Mel land safely on Lakertya after the
> Rani’s strike - with Mel working the controls confidently
> just as much as the Doctor - and there is some banter about
> how they had to untangle their lifelines so that they met in
> the right order. Mel uses computing metaphors - the trial was
> a subroutine that they had to loop back from - etc. Make it
> clear how intelligent and versatile she is.
>
> They head out from the TARDIS but despite Mel’s warnings for
> him to be careful, the Doctor’s arrogant insouciance leads him
> to set off a trap and he soars off in a bubble - only to crash
> into a mountainside and tumble down a thousand feet of cliff
> face. It’s regeneration time. Hello Sylvester.
>
> —- principal differences in this treatment
>
> —- the Rani is rational and at no time pretends to be Mel. She
> pretends to have Mel locked up as leverage to get the Doctor
> to help her. The Doctor isn’t fooled for a minute and secretly
> sabotages her TARDIS and her experiments.
>
> —- Both Kate and Sylv are told to take it seriously and not
> ham it up.
>
> —- Mel is considered intellectually superior - and shows it -
> and is one of the Rani’s chosen subjects for the experiment.
>
> —- The experiment is to build an AI capable of original
> thought and outperforming the Gallifreyan Matrix, predicting
> and marking fixed and malleable key points in time. Not to
> grow an enormous rubber brain and explode an asteroid to
> create Helium 2.
>
> — The comic aspects of the dialogue should be reduced by about
> 99%.
>
> (This story requires so much rewriting to not make it an
> irredeemable pile of shit …. Ah well. Make the rest up
> yourselves.)
>
> —- The same (previous season’s) title sequence is retained for
> the rest of this season, from episode 2 of this serial - but
> we get a serious, mysterious shot of Sylv’s face. No silver
> paint. No cheeky wink. And no crappy logo that even the Sirius
> Cybernetics Corporation would have rejected.

Okay, making special recipe Blueshirt Lemonade with the McCoy
era...

Sack JNT, replace him with Phillip Hinchcliffe or Barry Letts.
People who were good writers as well as Producers.

Throw away the Cartmel master-plan.

No JNT would mean no pantomime casting and I'd also tone down
the comedy. (Well, the intentional bits.)

No Bertie Bassett villain either!

Don't hire Sylvester McCoy to play the Seventh Doctor! Out of
those who auditioned for the role, I'd have given it to Dermot
Crowley. But the person I always wanted to see as The Doctor was
Geoffrey Bayldon.

Keep Ace, but cut out all the teen street talk and wanting to
blow everything up with Nitro9. Oh and he's the Doctor not
Professor!

Keep the Rani, but make her a serious and worthy villain, no
Master and most definitely no Ainley! (He was just a poor man's
Delgado)

Return the show to a Saturday evening slot and stories four
episodes x 25 mins.

Return the Doctor Who theme to the mid-70's version.

Restore the logo to the classic diamond version... or as now,
similar to it but fresh. Change doesn't always have to be a
complete re-design.

Plus, the most important ingredient to make any brand of Doctor
Who lemonade is ... increase the show's budget!!!

In article <utblag$odbf$2@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote on 19/3/24 1:44 am:
>> In article <ut948u$48rg$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 11:15 pm:
>>>> In article <Ga1YBr$qczB@ATH>, Mickmane <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote:
>>>>> On 17.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>>> Mickmane wrote:
>>>>>>> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why strangle Adric?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that
>>>>>> was a good idea!
>>>>>
>>>>> Peri doesn't really stand out in my memory. I'd have to rewatch
>>>>> to get an idea of what she was like.
>>>>>
>>>>> (And I already forgot what JNT stands for, some
>>>>> producer/director/ whatever, but that never really counts with
>>>>> me, I just look at the product. :) )
>>>>
>>>> Ever met J-NT?
>>>
>>> "Yellow Beard Yadallee" being as helpful as ever ...... *NOT*
>>>
>>> If Mickmane doesn't know what JNT stands for, do YOU, "Yellow
>>> Beard Yadallee", really think he has met J-NT, "Yellow Beard
>>> Yadallee"??
>>
>> Met him in Chicago 1993.
>
>Oh!! Really?? I wouldn't have thought Mickmane had met J-NT, "Yellow
>Beard Yadallee"!!

Do learn to read, REd-beard!

>--
>Daniel

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In article <utblq3$oict$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote on 18/3/24 11:30 pm:
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures that
>>>> the production team were under - especially in those early days.
>>>
>>> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>>> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC not
>>> to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor Who
>>> episodes on them!
>>
>> Absolutely agreed on the preservation front.
>>
>> The 252 episodes of the first four seasons were aired over just 291
>> weeks from 1963-1969 - less than 7 weeks a year without a new episode
>> needed. So no wonder the padding was in there - you’d need 50% more
>> stories otherwise, and with even less time to refine and develop each
>> story.
>>
>> It was a punishing delivery pace
>
>Did Coronation St keep up such a punishing pace back then ..... or did
>they that a couple of months off each year??

IIRC only real event interrupts Corrie.

>--
>Daniel

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In article <xn0oji8dr375fu0006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Daniel65 wrote:
>
>> The Doctor wrote on 19/3/24 1:44 am:
>> > In article <ut9662$4krh$1@dont-email.me>,
>> >Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > But would YOU, Blueshirt, be willing to hand over (pick a
>> > > figure) 100's of YOUR hard earned 1960's pounds to assist
>> > > the BBC to purchase NEW tapes so they could KEEP those
>> > > 'Doctor Who' tapes ..... WOULD YOU??
>> >
>> > I might!!
>>
>> Oh!! Well, good on you, Blueshirt!!
>
>Why not? You can't take it with you!
>
>Although it's easy enough to say when there's literally zero
>chance of it actually happening.

0?
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In article <utbo2u$p24n$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>Hi Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> The Last Doctor wrote on 18/3/24 11:30 pm:
>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures that
>>>>> the production team were under - especially in those early days.
>>>>
>>>> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>>>> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC not
>>>> to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor Who
>>>> episodes on them!
>>>
>>> Absolutely agreed on the preservation front.
>>>
>>> The 252 episodes of the first four seasons were aired over just 291
>>> weeks from 1963-1969 - less than 7 weeks a year without a new episode
>>> needed. So no wonder the padding was in there - you’d need 50% more
>>> stories otherwise, and with even less time to refine and develop each
>>> story.
>>>
>>> It was a punishing delivery pace
>>
>> Did Coronation St keep up such a punishing pace back then ..... or did
>> they that a couple of months off each year??
>
>Coronation Street ran twice a week without a break from 1963 to 1989 and
>actually increased to 3 times in 1989 then 4 from 1996, with occasional
>extra events adding additional special episodes - and is now running at 6
>episodes a week (this did drop to 3 for a while during the coronavirus
>epidemic).
>
>The key differences are a set of static sets and costumes that can be
>bought off the peg in shops, far fewer special effects, focus on a regular
>cast with few guest stars, long running interwoven plotlines featuring
>different groups of cast members and of course a large writers room, which
>needs to create engaging interpersonal storylines that blend together
>rather than being independently written - but not much truly new or
>creative. Due to being able to switch emphasis like that, significant
>numbers of cast and crew can take holidays without the show having to take
>a break.
>
>A soap is a very different beast from an episodic science fiction show, no
>matter what Aggie claims about modern Who.
>

Well depends on who is more popular.

>--
>“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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In article <xn0oji97a3871qg009@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Mickmane wrote:
>
>> On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm sure if you'd seen Peri in "Planet of Fire" she'd have
>> > stood out!!!
>>
>> Names and I... I have to check what happens in that episode...
>> Google mentions her being rescued from drowning, and I
>> remember that and that she ended up in the TARDIS after.
>>
>> She still doesn't stand out.
>
>Peri had a couple of good points.
>
>> > I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who companion
>> > that I had a 'thing' for...
>>
>> I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any
>> companion. :P
>
>Neither have I for the last few decades...

Met Nicola Bryant in real life in 1993!
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In article <utbpp3$pe22$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> Mickmane wrote:
>>
>>> On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure if you'd seen Peri in "Planet of Fire" she'd have
>>>> stood out!!!
>>>
>>> Names and I... I have to check what happens in that episode...
>>> Google mentions her being rescued from drowning, and I
>>> remember that and that she ended up in the TARDIS after.
>>>
>>> She still doesn't stand out.
>>
>> Peri had a couple of good points.
>
>Oooh, Matron!
>
>Carry On, Doctor!
>
>

Touche!

>>>> I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who companion
>>>> that I had a 'thing' for...
>>>
>>> I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any
>>> companion. :P
>>
>> Neither have I for the last few decades...
>
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In article <xn0ojiahm39wyfj00a@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote:
>
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> > The Last Doctor wrote:
>> >>
>> >> But if we’re to make lemonade with our lemons - we need to
>> >> consider all of our ingredients as lemons.
>> >
>> > I'd just concentrate on the lemons of Doctor Who 1987-89 to
>> > make a special recipe lemonade which I'd market as "McCoy's
>> > Vintage Lemonade" !
>> >
>>
>> OK - well let’s start at the very beginning there, too.
>>
>> Number one : fire John Nathan-Turner and hire Chris Boucher as
>> producer and Graeme Harper as director. (I know - Boucher was
>> a writer, but he is here freshly off the frustration of
>> watching Star Cops not go quite the way he envisaged, and is
>> in a would be producer mindset). Tell them Doctor Who in the
>> mode of Star Cops is exactly what we’re aiming for.
>>
>> Number two: don’t hire Keff McCulloch for the music. Instead
>> hire the master of TV scores of the 70s and 80s - Jeff Wayne.
>> (Yes, he of War of the Worlds).
>>
>> To begin with, keep the title sequence from Colin Baker’s
>> second season to maintain continuity. And because he’s going
>> to be in the first episode (will explain to him that JN-T and
>> the reception of the last season mean we have to go in another
>> direction - but we’d like to have him back soon for a multi
>> Doctor episode).
>>
>> The Rani’s opening salvo fails and she curses because she
>> “wants them both”.
>>
>> So: the Sixth Doctor and Mel land safely on Lakertya after the
>> Rani’s strike - with Mel working the controls confidently
>> just as much as the Doctor - and there is some banter about
>> how they had to untangle their lifelines so that they met in
>> the right order. Mel uses computing metaphors - the trial was
>> a subroutine that they had to loop back from - etc. Make it
>> clear how intelligent and versatile she is.
>>
>> They head out from the TARDIS but despite Mel’s warnings for
>> him to be careful, the Doctor’s arrogant insouciance leads him
>> to set off a trap and he soars off in a bubble - only to crash
>> into a mountainside and tumble down a thousand feet of cliff
>> face. It’s regeneration time. Hello Sylvester.
>>
>> —- principal differences in this treatment
>>
>> —- the Rani is rational and at no time pretends to be Mel. She
>> pretends to have Mel locked up as leverage to get the Doctor
>> to help her. The Doctor isn’t fooled for a minute and secretly
>> sabotages her TARDIS and her experiments.
>>
>> —- Both Kate and Sylv are told to take it seriously and not
>> ham it up.
>>
>> —- Mel is considered intellectually superior - and shows it -
>> and is one of the Rani’s chosen subjects for the experiment.
>>
>> —- The experiment is to build an AI capable of original
>> thought and outperforming the Gallifreyan Matrix, predicting
>> and marking fixed and malleable key points in time. Not to
>> grow an enormous rubber brain and explode an asteroid to
>> create Helium 2.
>>
>> — The comic aspects of the dialogue should be reduced by about
>> 99%.
>>
>> (This story requires so much rewriting to not make it an
>> irredeemable pile of shit …. Ah well. Make the rest up
>> yourselves.)
>>
>> —- The same (previous season’s) title sequence is retained for
>> the rest of this season, from episode 2 of this serial - but
>> we get a serious, mysterious shot of Sylv’s face. No silver
>> paint. No cheeky wink. And no crappy logo that even the Sirius
>> Cybernetics Corporation would have rejected.
>
>Okay, making special recipe Blueshirt Lemonade with the McCoy
>era...
>
>Sack JNT, replace him with Phillip Hinchcliffe or Barry Letts.
>People who were good writers as well as Producers.
>
>Throw away the Cartmel master-plan.
>
>No JNT would mean no pantomime casting and I'd also tone down
>the comedy. (Well, the intentional bits.)
>
>No Bertie Bassett villain either!
>
>Don't hire Sylvester McCoy to play the Seventh Doctor! Out of
>those who auditioned for the role, I'd have given it to Dermot
>Crowley. But the person I always wanted to see as The Doctor was
>Geoffrey Bayldon.
>
>Keep Ace, but cut out all the teen street talk and wanting to
>blow everything up with Nitro9. Oh and he's the Doctor not
>Professor!
>
>Keep the Rani, but make her a serious and worthy villain, no
>Master and most definitely no Ainley! (He was just a poor man's
>Delgado)
>
>Return the show to a Saturday evening slot and stories four
>episodes x 25 mins.
>
>Return the Doctor Who theme to the mid-70's version.
>
>Restore the logo to the classic diamond version... or as now,
>similar to it but fresh. Change doesn't always have to be a
>complete re-design.
>
>Plus, the most important ingredient to make any brand of Doctor
>Who lemonade is ... increase the show's budget!!!

And the recipe gives us?
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The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> In article <utbo2u$p24n$1@dont-email.me>,
> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>
>> A soap is a very different beast from an episodic science fiction show, no
>> matter what Aggie claims about modern Who.
>>
>
> Well depends on who is more popular.

Actually, Dave, popularity has absolutely no bearing on how similar a
mundane soap opera is to a fantastical science fantasy odyssey, in terms of
production needs.

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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <xn0oji97a3871qg009@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > Mickmane wrote:
> >> On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who
> >> > companion that I had a 'thing' for...
> >>
> >> I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any
> >> companion. :P
> >
> > Neither have I for the last few decades...
>
> Met Nicola Bryant in real life in 1993!

Where's the link to the pictures?

...............

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <xn0ojiahm39wyfj00a@reader.xsnews.nl>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, making special recipe Blueshirt Lemonade with the McCoy
> > era...
> >
> > Sack JNT, replace him with Phillip Hinchcliffe or Barry
> > Letts. People who were good writers as well as Producers.
> >
> > Throw away the Cartmel master-plan.
> >
> > No JNT would mean no pantomime casting and I'd also tone down
> > the comedy. (Well, the intentional bits.)
> >
> > No Bertie Bassett villain either!
> >
> > Don't hire Sylvester McCoy to play the Seventh Doctor! Out of
> > those who auditioned for the role, I'd have given it to
> > Dermot Crowley. But the person I always wanted to see as The
> > Doctor was Geoffrey Bayldon.
> >
> > Keep Ace, but cut out all the teen street talk and wanting to
> > blow everything up with Nitro9. Oh and he's the Doctor not
> > Professor!
> >
> > Keep the Rani, but make her a serious and worthy villain, no
> > Master and most definitely no Ainley! (He was just a poor
> > man's Delgado)
> >
> > Return the show to a Saturday evening slot and stories four
> > episodes x 25 mins.
> >
> > Return the Doctor Who theme to the mid-70's version.
> >
> > Restore the logo to the classic diamond version... or as now,
> > similar to it but fresh. Change doesn't always have to be a
> > complete re-design.
> >
> > Plus, the most important ingredient to make any brand of
> > Doctor Who lemonade is ... increase the show's budget!!!
>
> And the recipe gives us?

Something nicer tasting than what we actually got!!!

In article <utca2p$sv0t$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>> In article <utbo2u$p24n$1@dont-email.me>,
>> The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A soap is a very different beast from an episodic science fiction show, no
>>> matter what Aggie claims about modern Who.
>>>
>>
>> Well depends on who is more popular.
>
>Actually, Dave, popularity has absolutely no bearing on how similar a
>mundane soap opera is to a fantastical science fantasy odyssey, in terms of
>production needs.
>

And the tempral setting!

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In article <xn0ojihic3jhy5c004@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <xn0oji97a3871qg009@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> > Mickmane wrote:
>> >> On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who
>> >> > companion that I had a 'thing' for...
>> >>
>> >> I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any
>> >> companion. :P
>> >
>> > Neither have I for the last few decades...
>>
>> Met Nicola Bryant in real life in 1993!
>
>Where's the link to the pictures?
>
>
>..............

Somewhere!
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In article <xn0ojihqi3jtrqj006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <xn0ojiahm39wyfj00a@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> >
>> > Okay, making special recipe Blueshirt Lemonade with the McCoy
>> > era...
>> >
>> > Sack JNT, replace him with Phillip Hinchcliffe or Barry
>> > Letts. People who were good writers as well as Producers.
>> >
>> > Throw away the Cartmel master-plan.
>> >
>> > No JNT would mean no pantomime casting and I'd also tone down
>> > the comedy. (Well, the intentional bits.)
>> >
>> > No Bertie Bassett villain either!
>> >
>> > Don't hire Sylvester McCoy to play the Seventh Doctor! Out of
>> > those who auditioned for the role, I'd have given it to
>> > Dermot Crowley. But the person I always wanted to see as The
>> > Doctor was Geoffrey Bayldon.
>> >
>> > Keep Ace, but cut out all the teen street talk and wanting to
>> > blow everything up with Nitro9. Oh and he's the Doctor not
>> > Professor!
>> >
>> > Keep the Rani, but make her a serious and worthy villain, no
>> > Master and most definitely no Ainley! (He was just a poor
>> > man's Delgado)
>> >
>> > Return the show to a Saturday evening slot and stories four
>> > episodes x 25 mins.
>> >
>> > Return the Doctor Who theme to the mid-70's version.
>> >
>> > Restore the logo to the classic diamond version... or as now,
>> > similar to it but fresh. Change doesn't always have to be a
>> > complete re-design.
>> >
>> > Plus, the most important ingredient to make any brand of
>> > Doctor Who lemonade is ... increase the show's budget!!!
>>
>> And the recipe gives us?
>
>Something nicer tasting than what we actually got!!!
>

IYIO
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The Doctor wrote on 20/03/2024 12:57 am:
> In article <utblag$odbf$2@dont-email.me>,
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote on 19/3/24 1:44 am:
>>> In article <ut948u$48rg$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 11:15 pm:
>>>>> In article <Ga1YBr$qczB@ATH>, Mickmane <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 17.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>>>> Mickmane wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why strangle Adric?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that
>>>>>>> was a good idea!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peri doesn't really stand out in my memory. I'd have to rewatch
>>>>>> to get an idea of what she was like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (And I already forgot what JNT stands for, some
>>>>>> producer/director/ whatever, but that never really counts with
>>>>>> me, I just look at the product. :) )
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever met J-NT?
>>>>
>>>> "Yellow Beard Yadallee" being as helpful as ever ...... *NOT*
>>>>
>>>> If Mickmane doesn't know what JNT stands for, do YOU, "Yellow
>>>> Beard Yadallee", really think he has met J-NT, "Yellow Beard
>>>> Yadallee"??
>>>
>>> Met him in Chicago 1993.
>>
>> Oh!! Really?? I wouldn't have thought Mickmane had met J-NT, "Yellow
>> Beard Yadallee"!!
>
> Do learn to read, REd-beard!

I can read, "Yellow Beard Yadallee" .... unlike YOU, "Yellow Beard
Yadallee"!!

Oh!! Hang on!! Maybe, just maybe, YOU, "Yellow Beard Yadallee", CAN
actually READ .... but YOU, "Yellow Beard Yadallee", are a hopeless
typist, "Yellow Beard Yadallee"!!
--
Daniel

The Last Doctor wrote on 19/03/2024 9:06 pm:
> Hi Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> The Last Doctor wrote on 18/3/24 11:30 pm:
>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures that
>>>>> the production team were under - especially in those early days.
>>>>
>>>> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>>>> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC not
>>>> to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor Who
>>>> episodes on them!
>>>
>>> Absolutely agreed on the preservation front.
>>>
>>> The 252 episodes of the first four seasons were aired over just 291
>>> weeks from 1963-1969 - less than 7 weeks a year without a new episode
>>> needed. So no wonder the padding was in there - you’d need 50% more
>>> stories otherwise, and with even less time to refine and develop each
>>> story.
>>>
>>> It was a punishing delivery pace
>>
>> Did Coronation St keep up such a punishing pace back then ..... or did
>> they that a couple of months off each year??
>
> Coronation Street ran twice a week without a break from 1963 to 1989 and
> actually increased to 3 times in 1989 then 4 from 1996, with occasional
> extra events adding additional special episodes - and is now running at 6
> episodes a week (this did drop to 3 for a while during the coronavirus
> epidemic).
>
> The key differences are a set of static sets and costumes that can be
> bought off the peg in shops, far fewer special effects, focus on a regular
> cast with few guest stars, long running interwoven plotlines featuring
> different groups of cast members and of course a large writers room, which
> needs to create engaging interpersonal storylines that blend together
> rather than being independently written - but not much truly new or
> creative. Due to being able to switch emphasis like that, significant
> numbers of cast and crew can take holidays without the show having to take
> a break.
>
> A soap is a very different beast from an episodic science fiction show, no
> matter what Aggie claims about modern Who.
>
O.K., Ta!!
--
Daniel

In article <ute25a$1c54i$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote on 20/03/2024 12:57 am:
>> In article <utblag$odbf$2@dont-email.me>,
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> The Doctor wrote on 19/3/24 1:44 am:
>>>> In article <ut948u$48rg$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 11:15 pm:
>>>>>> In article <Ga1YBr$qczB@ATH>, Mickmane <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mickmane wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why strangle Adric?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that
>>>>>>>> was a good idea!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peri doesn't really stand out in my memory. I'd have to rewatch
>>>>>>> to get an idea of what she was like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (And I already forgot what JNT stands for, some
>>>>>>> producer/director/ whatever, but that never really counts with
>>>>>>> me, I just look at the product. :) )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever met J-NT?
>>>>>
>>>>> "Yellow Beard Yadallee" being as helpful as ever ...... *NOT*
>>>>>
>>>>> If Mickmane doesn't know what JNT stands for, do YOU, "Yellow
>>>>> Beard Yadallee", really think he has met J-NT, "Yellow Beard
>>>>> Yadallee"??
>>>>
>>>> Met him in Chicago 1993.
>>>
>>> Oh!! Really?? I wouldn't have thought Mickmane had met J-NT, "Yellow
>>> Beard Yadallee"!!
>>
>> Do learn to read, REd-beard!
>
>I can read, "Yellow Beard Yadallee" .... unlike YOU, "Yellow Beard
>Yadallee"!!
>
>Oh!! Hang on!! Maybe, just maybe, YOU, "Yellow Beard Yadallee", CAN
>actually READ .... but YOU, "Yellow Beard Yadallee", are a hopeless
>typist, "Yellow Beard Yadallee"!!

And then there is your memory Red-Beard!

>--
>Daniel

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In article <ute380$1c9lr$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote on 19/03/2024 9:06 pm:
>> Hi Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> The Last Doctor wrote on 18/3/24 11:30 pm:
>>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures that
>>>>>> the production team were under - especially in those early days.
>>>>>
>>>>> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>>>>> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC not
>>>>> to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor Who
>>>>> episodes on them!
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely agreed on the preservation front.
>>>>
>>>> The 252 episodes of the first four seasons were aired over just 291
>>>> weeks from 1963-1969 - less than 7 weeks a year without a new episode
>>>> needed. So no wonder the padding was in there - you’d need 50% more
>>>> stories otherwise, and with even less time to refine and develop each
>>>> story.
>>>>
>>>> It was a punishing delivery pace
>>>
>>> Did Coronation St keep up such a punishing pace back then ..... or did
>>> they that a couple of months off each year??
>>
>> Coronation Street ran twice a week without a break from 1963 to 1989 and
>> actually increased to 3 times in 1989 then 4 from 1996, with occasional
>> extra events adding additional special episodes - and is now running at 6
>> episodes a week (this did drop to 3 for a while during the coronavirus
>> epidemic).
>>
>> The key differences are a set of static sets and costumes that can be
>> bought off the peg in shops, far fewer special effects, focus on a regular
>> cast with few guest stars, long running interwoven plotlines featuring
>> different groups of cast members and of course a large writers room, which
>> needs to create engaging interpersonal storylines that blend together
>> rather than being independently written - but not much truly new or
>> creative. Due to being able to switch emphasis like that, significant
>> numbers of cast and crew can take holidays without the show having to take
>> a break.
>>
>> A soap is a very different beast from an episodic science fiction show, no
>> matter what Aggie claims about modern Who.
>>
>O.K., Ta!!
>--
>Daniel

You are welcome!
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