On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 02:44:54 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:fvvfogdoogn0tvgmud31satnrao6u49bm1@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 02:58:13 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
>> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, 7 November 2021 at 04:42:24 UTC, The Horny Goat
>>>wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 07 Nov 2021 03:30:29 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
>>>> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> and vide the pandemic a lot of retailers no longer
>>>> >> accept cash, anyway.
>>>> >
>>>> >Any store that does there here tends to get either protestors
>>>> >outside their doors, or unwanted attention from activists
>>>> >(for the unbanked) or politicians. Or both.
>>>> In the early days of the pandemic many stores didn't like cash
>>>> BUT when the schools re-opened the provincial health officer
>>>> said that in situations where both parties were masked and
>>>> basic hand-washing was taking place that there had been NO
>>>> cases where Covid had been spread by handling paper alone.
>>>>
>>>> Now she was talking about school classroom situations but
>>>> after that news release cash started making a strong comeback.
>>>>
>>>> At this time if a store rejected my cash I'd leave my purchase
>>>> at the cashier and go elsewhere though for me at this time
>>>> it's usually about 70% debit, 25% cash and only rarely Visa
>>>> for in-person purchases.
>>>
>>>In Scotland, we're told that contactless card payments
>>>are preferred, but I've had card payment refused by a
>>>clerk for small purchases - that may or may not reflect
>>>current fees - and at the moment, I offer cash for that.
>>>I think the clerk takes money and makes change, then
>>>washes or "sanitises" their hands immediately.
>>>
>>>And there's TV adverts for apparently a new system
>>>allowing self-employed people to take card payment
>>>by smart phone. The sole trader declares "I take card
>>>now" and several people around them go "Ooh" at
>>>high pitch and for an extremely long time. This is in
>>>the advert; it's very annoying and it motivates me to
>>>pay cash deliberately. I haven't seen it in real life;
>>>I suppose it would be my role to go "Ooh". I intend
>>>not to.
>>
>> I think that, like depositing checks, we've had that capability
>> here for some time.
>>
>> Not me, of course; I don't do smartphones. But I think it has
>> been available for businesspersons that are interested.
>
>The ads never mention the fees.
>
>There's a reason they don't.

Well, of course there is.

Gotta get customers /somehow/.

For a while, one of my banks, every month, charged me $1 for enclosing
the cancelled checks ("check enclosure charge") and /paid/ me $1 for
having direct deposit ("direct deposit credit"). This cannot have made
any sense -- saying "check enclosure charge of $1/mo is waived if you
have direct deposit" in their Terms would have avoided the cost and
trouble of actually charging/crediting the account.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 13:40:01 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:36:52 AM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 21:35:23 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt" .
>> >>
>> >> (Contrary to popular belief, it is not illegel to refuse cash under
>> >> nearly all circumstances that ordinary people will ever
>> >> experience.)
>> >>>
>> >>> And no, it's not legislated that /anybody/ has to accept cash,
>> >>> and, if it was, the courts consider public health to be more
>> >>> important, anyway.
>
>In the US, paper currency bears the inscription "This note is good
>for all debts, public and private." This means that in a transaction
>where something of value is irrevocably supplied before payment
>(eg, a meal in a restaurant) you can legally leave cash and walk out
>regardless of the seller's preference. In other circumstances, the vendor
>can refuse.
>
>> >> We've all heard about how completely, utterly broken the minds of
>> >> Ozzies are with fear and panic, yes.
>> >>>
>> >Important point - we are "Aussies". "Ozzy" means Austrian. (And,
>> >sadly, both nations are becoming stupider as time passes. Sigh,
>> >eventually we'll all be as stupid as the USA.)
>> In Australia, no doubt.
>>
>> But here in the USA, I'm not sure the distinction is well-defined.
>
>I've *never* heard 'Ozzy' used to refer to Austrians. The use of 'Oz'
>to refer to Australia is well known though.

I suggest that, since "Oz" is used for Australia, "Ozzy" would be
understood to refer to Australians, were it ever used. In the USA.

In Australia, apparently, things are different.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 02:45:43 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote in
>news:vnmk5i-q6a.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au:
>
>> On 07/11/2021 14:30, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>> "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote in
>>> news:nvjh5i-4qs.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au:
>>>
>>>> On 06/11/2021 07:17, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>> news:JDdhJ.19091$6a3.7614@fx41.iad:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:16b4a7dc13314a43$1$3170321$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.
>>>>>>> co m:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In 1910, the average annual wage in Germany was about 1000
>>>>>>>> marks. So each of those dime-sized coins equated to over
>>>>>>>> 2 days of labor. Even for the idle rich, that's a lot of
>>>>>>>> money to pay for what was effectively street
>>>>>>>> entertainment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ridiculous. The average wage in the US last year was a bit
>>>>>>> under $70,000. 2 days of their labor is under $300
>>>>>>> (assuming a 40 hour week). A *lot* of people carry that
>>>>>>> much in cash on a regular basis. Hell, some people (that
>>>>>>> is, ordinarly middle class people) spend that much on
>>>>>>> groceries every week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, but then they mainly use plastic to pay for those
>>>>>> groceries, and even if they carry cash, very few carry
>>>>>> USD100 bills - the logical analog of the gold coin of the
>>>>>> era.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Do you claim that is a universal truth? That *everybody* uses
>>>>> plastic *all* *the* *time*?
>>>>>
>>>>> If so, you're as stupid as he is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carrying a few hundred in cash is *common*.
>>>>>
>>>> Perhaps in the USA - here in Oz it's just easier to tap, or
>>>> shove'n'pin,
>>>
>>> Well over half our retail business is plastic now.
>>>
>>> But there are still quite a lot of people who carry a few
>>> hundred in cash on a regular basis (even ignoring the
>>> "unbanked" who have little other choice).
>>>
>>>> and vide the pandemic a lot of retailers no longer
>>>> accept cash, anyway.
>>>
>>> Any store that does there here tends to get either protestors
>>> outside their doors, or unwanted attention from activists (for
>>> the unbanked) or politicians. Or both.
>>>
>>> (Contrary to popular belief, it is not illegel to refuse cash
>>> under nearly all circumstances that ordinary people will ever
>>> experience.)
>>>>
>>>> And no, it's not legislated that /anybody/ has to accept cash,
>>>> and, if it was, the courts consider public health to be more
>>>> important, anyway.
>>>
>>> We've all heard about how completely, utterly broken the minds
>>> of Ozzies are with fear and panic, yes.
>>>>
>> Important point - we are "Aussies". "Ozzy" means Austrian.
>> (And, sadly, both nations are becoming stupider as time passes.
>> Sigh, eventually we'll all be as stupid as the USA.)
>
>Important only to you.
>>
>>>> I think the lonely pineapple (AUD50) in my wallet has been
>>>> there for nigh on 18 months!
>>>>
>>> And yet, you still have it.
>>>
>> I'm hardly going to throw it away!!!
>>
>You could, perhaps, deposit it in the bank, or, you know, spend it.

That presupposes he can find a bank or a store that will accept it.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

In article <4okiogpjc8e74usrt2gend0s7j7l6e8gpf@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>For a while, one of my banks, every month, charged me $1 for enclosing
>the cancelled checks ("check enclosure charge") and /paid/ me $1 for
>having direct deposit ("direct deposit credit"). This cannot have made
>any sense -- saying "check enclosure charge of $1/mo is waived if you
>have direct deposit" in their Terms would have avoided the cost and
>trouble of actually charging/crediting the account.

Nowadays, (a) Hal writes many fewer checks, and (b) the bank
attaches images of the checks he writes in the online statement.
I write one or two checks per year, and use my debit card for
things on Amazon or somebody that I actually *need* and don't
cost very much.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <n1liog98v4ptfdcaq8v17acdjnmdomb2qf@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 13:40:01 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
><petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:36:52 AM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 21:35:23 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt" .
>>> >>
>>> >> (Contrary to popular belief, it is not illegel to refuse cash under
>>> >> nearly all circumstances that ordinary people will ever
>>> >> experience.)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And no, it's not legislated that /anybody/ has to accept cash,
>>> >>> and, if it was, the courts consider public health to be more
>>> >>> important, anyway.
>>
>>In the US, paper currency bears the inscription "This note is good
>>for all debts, public and private." This means that in a transaction
>>where something of value is irrevocably supplied before payment
>>(eg, a meal in a restaurant) you can legally leave cash and walk out
>>regardless of the seller's preference. In other circumstances, the vendor
>>can refuse.
>>
>>> >> We've all heard about how completely, utterly broken the minds of
>>> >> Ozzies are with fear and panic, yes.
>>> >>>
>>> >Important point - we are "Aussies". "Ozzy" means Austrian. (And,
>>> >sadly, both nations are becoming stupider as time passes. Sigh,
>>> >eventually we'll all be as stupid as the USA.)
>>> In Australia, no doubt.
>>>
>>> But here in the USA, I'm not sure the distinction is well-defined.
>>
>>I've *never* heard 'Ozzy' used to refer to Austrians. The use of 'Oz'
>>to refer to Australia is well known though.
>
>I suggest that, since "Oz" is used for Australia, "Ozzy" would be
>understood to refer to Australians, were it ever used. In the USA.
>
>In Australia, apparently, things are different.

Well, IIRC, Australians call Australia "Godzone."

What do Australians call themselves? I've heard "Aussie" used by
others.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in
news:1k5hog5hoon7k0me5c39msq8gp1vcq2e4q@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 02:40:36 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in
>>news:9oleoglrr2g2r7flur7chanptpqjuuterc@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Nov 2021 03:27:22 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
>>> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>We actually got a counterfeit $20 from the bank once (that I
>>know about). Talk about an unhappy conversation.
>
> Never had that BUT have taken out $200 and got 9 $20 bills and 1
> $1 bill. Fortunately the branch was open at the time and I was
> able to immediately storm in and demand of the head teller that
> she immediately fix it - and having been a customer at that
> branch for 10+ years (30 now) they did.
>
> Had I gone after hours I probably would have had to eat the
> loss.

When it's just giving you the wrong bills, it's a lot easier on the
bank to make it right. When counterfeit currency is involved, there
are strict laws goerning what the bank can and can't do (and a lot
of bnak managers don't really understand them either). If they
mishandle it badly enough, it's possible to go to prison.
>
>>Amex has gone down, but is still higher. (I'm pretty sure the
>>increasing pressure on them to lower their fees is why they've
>>started offering, and pushing, actual credit cards - the
>>traditional Amex card isn't a credit card as such, because you
>>have to pay it off in full every month, so they get no interest
>>on outstanding balances.)
>
> Understood and yes I've heard they've dropped their fees - not
> surprising since their already low share of the market was under
> attack from the debit cards.

There have been lawsuits. (One of which was funded by Mastercard.)
>
>>Fees for credit and debit are pretty much the same now, from
>>what I'm told, at least for a merchant the size we are. Hell,
>>even Arco (mostly) takes credit cards now.
>
> So what is your typical merchant fee in the US currently for
> debit cards? (I've heard Visa/MC rates are about .5 - .75% lower
> in the US than Canada but it's very hard to tell given the vast
> number of 'affinity' and 'points' cards meaning that there are
> umpteen different rates based on card class which under the
> standard merchant agreement a merchant MUST honor with no
> additional fees)
>
Our rates are . . . lower than most businesses, because we're a
pretty big customer, and because we were the first big customer our
merchant service signed up when they were new. (It made the
company, and our account rep is the CEO of the company.) I'm
certain it's less than 3@, I'm pretty sure it's less than 2%, and
it may be less than 1%, but don't quote me on it.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:4okiogpjc8e74usrt2gend0s7j7l6e8gpf@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 02:44:54 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>news:fvvfogdoogn0tvgmud31satnrao6u49bm1@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 02:58:13 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
>>> <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sunday, 7 November 2021 at 04:42:24 UTC, The Horny Goat
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 07 Nov 2021 03:30:29 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
>>>>> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> and vide the pandemic a lot of retailers no longer
>>>>> >> accept cash, anyway.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Any store that does there here tends to get either
>>>>> >protestors outside their doors, or unwanted attention from
>>>>> >activists (for the unbanked) or politicians. Or both.
>>>>> In the early days of the pandemic many stores didn't like
>>>>> cash BUT when the schools re-opened the provincial health
>>>>> officer said that in situations where both parties were
>>>>> masked and basic hand-washing was taking place that there
>>>>> had been NO cases where Covid had been spread by handling
>>>>> paper alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now she was talking about school classroom situations but
>>>>> after that news release cash started making a strong
>>>>> comeback.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this time if a store rejected my cash I'd leave my
>>>>> purchase at the cashier and go elsewhere though for me at
>>>>> this time it's usually about 70% debit, 25% cash and only
>>>>> rarely Visa for in-person purchases.
>>>>
>>>>In Scotland, we're told that contactless card payments
>>>>are preferred, but I've had card payment refused by a
>>>>clerk for small purchases - that may or may not reflect
>>>>current fees - and at the moment, I offer cash for that.
>>>>I think the clerk takes money and makes change, then
>>>>washes or "sanitises" their hands immediately.
>>>>
>>>>And there's TV adverts for apparently a new system
>>>>allowing self-employed people to take card payment
>>>>by smart phone. The sole trader declares "I take card
>>>>now" and several people around them go "Ooh" at
>>>>high pitch and for an extremely long time. This is in
>>>>the advert; it's very annoying and it motivates me to
>>>>pay cash deliberately. I haven't seen it in real life;
>>>>I suppose it would be my role to go "Ooh". I intend
>>>>not to.
>>>
>>> I think that, like depositing checks, we've had that
>>> capability here for some time.
>>>
>>> Not me, of course; I don't do smartphones. But I think it has
>>> been available for businesspersons that are interested.
>>
>>The ads never mention the fees.
>>
>>There's a reason they don't.
>
> Well, of course there is.
>
> Gotta get customers /somehow/.
>
> For a while, one of my banks, every month, charged me $1 for
> enclosing the cancelled checks ("check enclosure charge") and
> /paid/ me $1 for having direct deposit ("direct deposit
> credit"). This cannot have made any sense -- saying "check
> enclosure charge of $1/mo is waived if you have direct deposit"
> in their Terms would have avoided the cost and trouble of
> actually charging/crediting the account.

I suspect they just don't want to admit out loud that they're
trying to force you to forgo returned checks, which are a hassle
for them. Many banks don't even have the option any more.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:546ca59b-9c1a-4c50-b574-6c3ccaa39eefn@googlegroups.com:

> On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 7:57:41 PM UTC-7, Ninapenda
> Jibini wrote:
>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>> news:e7af2ff9-d9cd-409c...@googlegroups.com:
>> > On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-7,
>> > pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> >> In the US, paper currency bears the inscription "This note
>> >> is good for all debts, public and private."
>
>> > And of course, the _primary_ intent of this was to prevent
>> > merchants from insisting on gold coin as payment.
>
>> Never, at any point. As usual, you're even more full of shit
>> than Petey.
>
> I'm quite serious.

And quite wrong.

The *point* of "all debts public and private* has to do with
creditors - banks - not merchants.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:n1liog98v4ptfdcaq8v17acdjnmdomb2qf@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 13:40:01 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
> <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:36:52 AM UTC-5, Paul S Person
>>wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 21:35:23 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt" .
>>> >>
>>> >> (Contrary to popular belief, it is not illegel to refuse
>>> >> cash under nearly all circumstances that ordinary people
>>> >> will ever experience.)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And no, it's not legislated that /anybody/ has to accept
>>> >>> cash, and, if it was, the courts consider public health to
>>> >>> be more important, anyway.
>>
>>In the US, paper currency bears the inscription "This note is
>>good for all debts, public and private." This means that in a
>>transaction where something of value is irrevocably supplied
>>before payment (eg, a meal in a restaurant) you can legally
>>leave cash and walk out regardless of the seller's preference.
>>In other circumstances, the vendor can refuse.
>>
>>> >> We've all heard about how completely, utterly broken the
>>> >> minds of Ozzies are with fear and panic, yes.
>>> >>>
>>> >Important point - we are "Aussies". "Ozzy" means Austrian.
>>> >(And, sadly, both nations are becoming stupider as time
>>> >passes. Sigh, eventually we'll all be as stupid as the USA.)
>>> In Australia, no doubt.
>>>
>>> But here in the USA, I'm not sure the distinction is
>>> well-defined.
>>
>>I've *never* heard 'Ozzy' used to refer to Austrians. The use of
>>'Oz' to refer to Australia is well known though.
>
> I suggest that, since "Oz" is used for Australia, "Ozzy" would
> be understood to refer to Australians, were it ever used. In the
> USA.
>
> In Australia, apparently, things are different.

Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
education in US schools.)

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:fkliogh6v1k5hvser9sect03d8qfovgng1@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 02:45:43 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote in
>>news:vnmk5i-q6a.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au:
>>
>>> On 07/11/2021 14:30, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>>> "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote in
>>>> news:nvjh5i-4qs.ln1@paranoia.mcleod-schmidt.id.au:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/11/2021 07:17, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>>>>> news:JDdhJ.19091$6a3.7614@fx41.iad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>> Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:16b4a7dc13314a43$1$3170321$802601b3@news.usenetexpres
>>>>>>>> s. co m:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In 1910, the average annual wage in Germany was about
>>>>>>>>> 1000 marks. So each of those dime-sized coins equated
>>>>>>>>> to over 2 days of labor. Even for the idle rich, that's
>>>>>>>>> a lot of money to pay for what was effectively street
>>>>>>>>> entertainment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ridiculous. The average wage in the US last year was a
>>>>>>>> bit under $70,000. 2 days of their labor is under $300
>>>>>>>> (assuming a 40 hour week). A *lot* of people carry that
>>>>>>>> much in cash on a regular basis. Hell, some people (that
>>>>>>>> is, ordinarly middle class people) spend that much on
>>>>>>>> groceries every week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, but then they mainly use plastic to pay for those
>>>>>>> groceries, and even if they carry cash, very few carry
>>>>>>> USD100 bills - the logical analog of the gold coin of the
>>>>>>> era.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you claim that is a universal truth? That *everybody*
>>>>>> uses plastic *all* *the* *time*?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, you're as stupid as he is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carrying a few hundred in cash is *common*.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps in the USA - here in Oz it's just easier to tap, or
>>>>> shove'n'pin,
>>>>
>>>> Well over half our retail business is plastic now.
>>>>
>>>> But there are still quite a lot of people who carry a few
>>>> hundred in cash on a regular basis (even ignoring the
>>>> "unbanked" who have little other choice).
>>>>
>>>>> and vide the pandemic a lot of retailers no longer
>>>>> accept cash, anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Any store that does there here tends to get either protestors
>>>> outside their doors, or unwanted attention from activists
>>>> (for the unbanked) or politicians. Or both.
>>>>
>>>> (Contrary to popular belief, it is not illegel to refuse cash
>>>> under nearly all circumstances that ordinary people will ever
>>>> experience.)
>>>>>
>>>>> And no, it's not legislated that /anybody/ has to accept
>>>>> cash, and, if it was, the courts consider public health to
>>>>> be more important, anyway.
>>>>
>>>> We've all heard about how completely, utterly broken the
>>>> minds of Ozzies are with fear and panic, yes.
>>>>>
>>> Important point - we are "Aussies". "Ozzy" means Austrian.
>>> (And, sadly, both nations are becoming stupider as time
>>> passes. Sigh, eventually we'll all be as stupid as the USA.)
>>
>>Important only to you.
>>>
>>>>> I think the lonely pineapple (AUD50) in my wallet has been
>>>>> there for nigh on 18 months!
>>>>>
>>>> And yet, you still have it.
>>>>
>>> I'm hardly going to throw it away!!!
>>>
>>You could, perhaps, deposit it in the bank, or, you know, spend
>>it.
>
> That presupposes he can find a bank or a store that will accept
> it.

If he literally can't spend it and can't deposit it in the bank,
then it's literally worthless.

I doubt the government there would really approve of their
currency being literally worthless. They're not Zimbabwe, after
all. Yet.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On 09/11/2021 03:49, Paul S Person wrote:
[SNIP]
> I suggest that, since "Oz" is used for Australia, "Ozzy" would be
> understood to refer to Australians, were it ever used. In the USA.
>
> In Australia, apparently, things are different.
>
You mean in the rea^Wrest of the world.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

On 09/11/2021 04:37, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
[SNIP]
>
> Well, IIRC, Australians call Australia "Godzone."
>
Yes, but the sheep-shaggers in EnnZed also refer to their country as
"Godzone". :-)

> What do Australians call themselves? I've heard "Aussie" used by
> others.
>
"'Strayans" from "'Straya" when we aren't using "Aussie" from "Oz".

Cheers,
Gary B-)

On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 08:44:37 -0800, Paul S Person
<psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>Well, of course there is.
>
>Gotta get customers /somehow/.
>
>For a while, one of my banks, every month, charged me $1 for enclosing
>the cancelled checks ("check enclosure charge") and /paid/ me $1 for
>having direct deposit ("direct deposit credit"). This cannot have made
>any sense -- saying "check enclosure charge of $1/mo is waived if you
>have direct deposit" in their Terms would have avoided the cost and
>trouble of actually charging/crediting the account.

I've been getting 1/2 sized copies of my cheques as part of my monthly
statement for about 5 years now as part of a free download from their
website. You can get the actual document for 60-90 days (for a fee!)
but have never needed to do so.

From their point of view providing the info this way is cheaper than
the way you and I are used to and most of the time is good. With our
business account our accountant gets monthly copies of our statements
from us and there are often queries about this or that transaction but
it's pretty basic.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 08:49:08 -0800, Paul S Person
<psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 13:40:01 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
><petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, November 7, 2021 at 11:36:52 AM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 21:35:23 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt" .
>>> >>
>>> >> (Contrary to popular belief, it is not illegel to refuse cash under
>>> >> nearly all circumstances that ordinary people will ever
>>> >> experience.)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> And no, it's not legislated that /anybody/ has to accept cash,
>>> >>> and, if it was, the courts consider public health to be more
>>> >>> important, anyway.
>>
>>In the US, paper currency bears the inscription "This note is good
>>for all debts, public and private." This means that in a transaction
>>where something of value is irrevocably supplied before payment
>>(eg, a meal in a restaurant) you can legally leave cash and walk out
>>regardless of the seller's preference. In other circumstances, the vendor
>>can refuse.
>>
>>> >> We've all heard about how completely, utterly broken the minds of
>>> >> Ozzies are with fear and panic, yes.
>>> >>>
>>> >Important point - we are "Aussies". "Ozzy" means Austrian. (And,
>>> >sadly, both nations are becoming stupider as time passes. Sigh,
>>> >eventually we'll all be as stupid as the USA.)
>>> In Australia, no doubt.
>>>
>>> But here in the USA, I'm not sure the distinction is well-defined.
>>
>>I've *never* heard 'Ozzy' used to refer to Austrians. The use of 'Oz'
>>to refer to Australia is well known though.
>
>I suggest that, since "Oz" is used for Australia, "Ozzy" would be
>understood to refer to Australians, were it ever used. In the USA.
>
>In Australia, apparently, things are different.

Well I certainly hope most of your information on Australia is coming
from the several Monty Python Australian sketches......that's the only
time I've recently heard 'Ozzy' in any respect other than Mr Osborne.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 15:56:39 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
>Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
>education in US schools.)

To the extent they do it's related to Mr Waldheim who in addition to
being elected their head of state by the Austrians went on to become
Secretary-General of the United Nations before being exposed for his
activities 1938-45.

Besides the von Trapps what other Austrian was known to be strongly
anti-Nazi?

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

> Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
> Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
> education in US schools.)

And they must not be watching The Sound of Music these days when it
comes on television!

John Savard

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 10:02:53 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:

> Besides the von Trapps what other Austrian was known to be strongly
> anti-Nazi?

Didn't the Nazis have to shoot some guy named Dollfuss because he failed
to welcome them with open arms?

John Savard

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in
news:k40kogd4m59ocmjv1gg61apjef4kluv7ev@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 15:56:39 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
>>Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
>>education in US schools.)
>
> To the extent they do it's related to Mr Waldheim who in
> addition to being elected their head of state by the Austrians
> went on to become Secretary-General of the United Nations before
> being exposed for his activities 1938-45.
>
> Besides the von Trapps what other Austrian was known to be
> strongly anti-Nazi?

The implication was the most Americans cannot tell the difference
between an Austrian and a German, or between 1940 and today. Or their
ass and a hole in the ground.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:02:53 UTC, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 15:56:39 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
> >Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
> >education in US schools.)
> To the extent they do it's related to Mr Waldheim who in addition to
> being elected their head of state by the Austrians went on to become
> Secretary-General of the United Nations before being exposed for his
> activities 1938-45.
>
> Besides the von Trapps what other Austrian was known to be strongly
> anti-Nazi?

"The far right" are still around to make people's lives
worse in Austria... and in Germany... and the UK...
and the United States. And in a lot of other countries.
Being monstrous doesn't go out of fashion for long.

On 09/11/2021 20:26, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:02:53 UTC, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 15:56:39 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
>>> Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
>>> education in US schools.)
>> To the extent they do it's related to Mr Waldheim who in addition to
>> being elected their head of state by the Austrians went on to become
>> Secretary-General of the United Nations before being exposed for his
>> activities 1938-45.
>>
>> Besides the von Trapps what other Austrian was known to be strongly
>> anti-Nazi?
>
> "The far right" are still around to make people's lives
> worse in Austria... and in Germany... and the UK...
> and the United States. And in a lot of other countries.
> Being monstrous doesn't go out of fashion for long.
>
Alas so true - I refer to the financier, and the leader of the latest
nazi party here in Oz as Fat Hermann, interchangeably.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

On 09/11/2021 23:59, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 09/11/2021 20:26, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:02:53 UTC, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 15:56:39 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
>>>> Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
>>>> education in US schools.)
>>> To the extent they do it's related to Mr Waldheim who in addition to
>>> being elected their head of state by the Austrians went on to become
>>> Secretary-General of the United Nations before being exposed for his
>>> activities 1938-45.
>>>
>>> Besides the von Trapps what other Austrian was known to be strongly
>>> anti-Nazi?
>>
>> "The far right" are still around to make people's lives
>> worse in Austria...  and in Germany...  and the UK...
>> and the United States.  And in a lot of other countries.
>> Being monstrous doesn't go out of fashion for long.
>>
> Alas so true - I refer to the financier, and the leader of the latest
> nazi party here in Oz as Fat Hermann, interchangeably.
>

Replying to myself, because it's about gold coins: I sent the prodigal
daughter off to the supermarket tonight as I am trying to help her be a
bit more independent, with the pineapple to get whatever she felt like
cooking for her dinner.

The change she came back with surprised me...

Now, I don't care what coinage your country may issue, I strongly doubt
any of it is as cool as a $2 "Wags The Dog" coin. :-)

<https://www.ramint.gov.au/publications/celebrating-30-years-wiggles>

Cheers,
Gary B-)

Quadibloc wrote:
> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
> > Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
> > Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
> > education in US schools.)
> And they must not be watching The Sound of Music these days when it
> comes on television!

I've always thought of The Sound of Music as something that would just happen to me.
Yet so far I have only seen bits and pieces in someone else's house.

--
-Jack

On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 8:39:08 AM UTC-5, grschm...@gmail.com wrote:
> On 09/11/2021 23:59, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> > On 09/11/2021 20:26, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, 9 November 2021 at 05:02:53 UTC, The Horny Goat wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 08 Nov 2021 15:56:39 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
> >>> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
> >>>> Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
> >>>> education in US schools.)
> >>> To the extent they do it's related to Mr Waldheim who in addition to
> >>> being elected their head of state by the Austrians went on to become
> >>> Secretary-General of the United Nations before being exposed for his
> >>> activities 1938-45.
> >>>
> >>> Besides the von Trapps what other Austrian was known to be strongly
> >>> anti-Nazi?
> >>
> >> "The far right" are still around to make people's lives
> >> worse in Austria... and in Germany... and the UK...
> >> and the United States. And in a lot of other countries.
> >> Being monstrous doesn't go out of fashion for long.
> >>
> > Alas so true - I refer to the financier, and the leader of the latest
> > nazi party here in Oz as Fat Hermann, interchangeably.
> >
> Replying to myself, because it's about gold coins: I sent the prodigal
> daughter off to the supermarket tonight as I am trying to help her be a
> bit more independent, with the pineapple to get whatever she felt like
> cooking for her dinner.
>
> The change she came back with surprised me...
>
> Now, I don't care what coinage your country may issue, I strongly doubt
> any of it is as cool as a $2 "Wags The Dog" coin. :-)
>
> <https://www.ramint.gov.au/publications/celebrating-30-years-wiggles>

Love it! I wish we had more of a sense of fun in our currency.

pt

On Tuesday, November 9, 2021 at 9:34:19 AM UTC-5, jack....@gmail.com wrote:
> Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> >
> > > Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
> > > Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
> > > education in US schools.)
> > And they must not be watching The Sound of Music these days when it
> > comes on television!
> I've always thought of The Sound of Music as something that would just happen to me.
> Yet so far I have only seen bits and pieces in someone else's house.

It's a pretty decent family movie, with good songs.

pt

On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 11:57:02 PM UTC, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

> Paul S Person <pspe...@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
SNIP

END SNIP
> > In Australia, apparently, things are different.
> Many USAians tend to refer to people from Austria as "fucking
> Nazis" anyway. (Due entirely to the utter lack of historical
> education in US schools.)
> --
> Terry Austin

Yes, a difficult attitude to understand, given such sterling examples of humanity as the individual listed on this birth certificate of an Austrian citizen:
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=188078