On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>
>>>>  From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be willing
>> to commit to the exercise.
> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.

he's just not interested. no shame in that.

>
>
> You're a pathetic joke Fraudster.
> Always have been, always will be.
>
>
> alvey
>

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"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
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"His self serving ego pumping comments just read
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On 15/04/2022 9:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>
>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be willing
>>> to commit to the exercise.
>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>
>
> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>

Yeah there is when you're claiming bias. There is no bias, they're facts.

As usual gutless Derro runs away after making a statement he can't back
up. Typical.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 14/04/2022 10:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 12:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 1:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> biased. where's Labors list?
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Labor has not been in government for TEN YEARS. Those fuck-ups are
>>> COALition ones.
>>>
>>> Here's a bit more:
>>>
>>> https://www.boilingcold.com.au/northern-endeavour-debacle-hits-209m-with-much-more-to-come/
>>>
>>>
>>> HALF A BILLION DOLLARS.
>>>
>>> Gone.
>>>
>>> Fucking cunts. As is anyone who votes for the criminals min charge of
>>> this country.
>>
>>
>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though the
>> worst of the GFC
>
>
> you mean like wasting the surplus Howard had accumulated on pink batts
> and school halls?
>

Seriously, that's just Murdoch bullshit that you're regurgitating. The
GFC killed many economies and we didn't even have a recession. Our
government was wwidely credited for it's management of the crisis by
everyone around the world except Murdoch.

Did Murdoch tell you that Howard fucked the economy and set the country
up for it's current deficit problem?

I'm guessing not.

>
>> and compare it to what a real budget emergency looks like after a
>> decade of the LNP.
>>
>>
>
> I'm sure the pandemic had something to do with that. anyhow, I don't
> take interest in politics these days. i'm in a safe electorate so my
> vote counts for nothing. I usually just vote for the independent candidate.
>
>

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 15/04/2022 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 9:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>> willing
>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>
>>
>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>
>
> Yeah there is when you're claiming bias. There is no bias, they're facts.
>
> As usual gutless Derro runs away after making a statement he can't
> back up. Typical.
>
>

but i'll bet a similar list could easily be made for any period Labor
was in office

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On 15/04/2022 11:14 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 10:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 12:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 1:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> biased. where's Labors list?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Labor has not been in government for TEN YEARS. Those fuck-ups
>>>> are COALition ones.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a bit more:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.boilingcold.com.au/northern-endeavour-debacle-hits-209m-with-much-more-to-come/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HALF A BILLION DOLLARS.
>>>>
>>>> Gone.
>>>>
>>>> Fucking cunts. As is anyone who votes for the criminals min charge
>>>> of this country.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though the
>>> worst of the GFC
>>
>>
>> you mean like wasting the surplus Howard had accumulated on pink
>> batts and school halls?
>>
>
> Seriously, that's just Murdoch bullshit that you're regurgitating. The
> GFC killed many economies and we didn't even have a recession.

primarily because we didn't have the same level of debt other Western
nations did

> Our government was wwidely credited for it's management of the crisis
> by everyone around the world except Murdoch.
>
> Did Murdoch tell you that Howard fucked the economy and set the
> country up for it's current deficit problem?
>
> I'm guessing not.
>
>>
>>> and compare it to what a real budget emergency looks like after a
>>> decade of the LNP.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure the pandemic had something to do with that. anyhow, I don't
>> take interest in politics these days. i'm in a safe electorate so my
>> vote counts for nothing. I usually just vote for the independent
>> candidate.
>>
>>
>
>

--
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FUCK PUTIN!!

On 15/4/2022 6:39 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 21:46:07 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 5:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> **Yes. I particularly liked Scummo's continual excuses for not
>>>>> introducing a Federal ICAC. Lying arsehole.
>>>>
>>>> I thought the best one was that the Labor partly blocked it :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Wrong. I suggest you study up. The COALition never submitted the
>>> legislation to parliament.
>>
>> If you're talking about the Federal Integrity Commission Bill, then it
>> was submitted to Parliament in October of 2020, and died a painless
>> death in May of 2021 after no one showed any interest in it.
>>
>> On *Either* side of the house.
>>
>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6597
>
> Another day, another subject that the Fraudster has no idea about.
>
> Gibbens, if the guvmint is under pressure to put a Bill up that they don't
> want to, then an age old tactic is to include one or more sections in it
> that are grossly unacceptable, such as high costs/extra taxes/killing your
> first born son. So the opposition is left with no choice but to vote it
> down, then the guvmint can stand up and bray, "We tried to satisfy the
> public demand, but *they* voted it down!". It's not jenious, and it's
> definitely immoral, but it works well enough when you have Murdoch backing
> you.
>
> hth
>
>
> alvey
>
You've outlined a Morrison method that Darren, a year 9 dropout, will
have great difficulty understanding.

--
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/4/2022 11:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>
>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be willing
>>> to commit to the exercise.
>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>
>
> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>
>
>>
>>
>> You're a pathetic joke Fraudster.
>> Always have been, always will be.
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
>
This is a *discussion* forum. Darren has made a claim, he should be
prepared to discuss his POV and the reasoning (if any) behind it. That
he runs away immediately he is held to task tells you a lot, both in
this and in all other claims he has made and run away from. He has
accused a media outlet of lacking credibility - ok, show evidence of that.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/4/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 11:14 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 10:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 12:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 1:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> biased. where's Labors list?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Labor has not been in government for TEN YEARS. Those fuck-ups
>>>>> are COALition ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a bit more:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.boilingcold.com.au/northern-endeavour-debacle-hits-209m-with-much-more-to-come/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HALF A BILLION DOLLARS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fucking cunts. As is anyone who votes for the criminals min charge
>>>>> of this country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though the
>>>> worst of the GFC
>>>
>>>
>>> you mean like wasting the surplus Howard had accumulated on pink
>>> batts and school halls?
>>>
>>
>> Seriously, that's just Murdoch bullshit that you're regurgitating. The
>> GFC killed many economies and we didn't even have a recession.
>
>
> primarily because we didn't have the same level of debt other Western
> nations did
>
Well, thanks to the Libs, we do now. The next recession should prove
very interesting.
>
>> Our government was wwidely credited for it's management of the crisis
>> by everyone around the world except Murdoch.
>>
>> Did Murdoch tell you that Howard fucked the economy and set the
>> country up for it's current deficit problem?
>>
>> I'm guessing not.
>>
>>>
>>>> and compare it to what a real budget emergency looks like after a
>>>> decade of the LNP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sure the pandemic had something to do with that. anyhow, I don't
>>> take interest in politics these days. i'm in a safe electorate so my
>>> vote counts for nothing. I usually just vote for the independent
>>> candidate.
>>>
>>>
>

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/04/2022 11:43 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/4/2022 11:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>> willing
>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>
>>
>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You're a pathetic joke Fraudster.
>>> Always have been, always will be.
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>>
> This is a *discussion* forum. Darren has made a claim, he should be
> prepared to discuss his POV and the reasoning (if any) behind it. That
> he runs away immediately he is held to task tells you a lot, both in
> this and in all other claims he has made and run away from. He has
> accused a media outlet of lacking credibility - ok, show evidence of
> that.
>

it's a left wing media outlet.

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FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just read
like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"- Xeno on Grubby Tech
"You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to *discredit*
what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick"- Xeno to Grubby Tech
"The morally vacuous narcissistic prick trying to take the moral high ground
is just laughable" - Clocky on noddy

On 15/04/2022 11:49 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/4/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 11:14 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 10:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 12:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 1:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> biased. where's Labors list?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Labor has not been in government for TEN YEARS. Those fuck-ups
>>>>>> are COALition ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a bit more:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.boilingcold.com.au/northern-endeavour-debacle-hits-209m-with-much-more-to-come/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HALF A BILLION DOLLARS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fucking cunts. As is anyone who votes for the criminals min
>>>>>> charge of this country.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though
>>>>> the worst of the GFC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you mean like wasting the surplus Howard had accumulated on pink
>>>> batts and school halls?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Seriously, that's just Murdoch bullshit that you're regurgitating.
>>> The GFC killed many economies and we didn't even have a recession.
>>
>>
>> primarily because we didn't have the same level of debt other Western
>> nations did
>>
> Well, thanks to the Libs, we do now. The next recession should prove
> very interesting.

and what evidence is there the Labor would have done better. don't
forget the 11 billion debt we inherited from Keating.

>>
>>> Our government was wwidely credited for it's management of the
>>> crisis by everyone around the world except Murdoch.
>>>
>>> Did Murdoch tell you that Howard fucked the economy and set the
>>> country up for it's current deficit problem?
>>>
>>> I'm guessing not.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and compare it to what a real budget emergency looks like after a
>>>>> decade of the LNP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure the pandemic had something to do with that. anyhow, I
>>>> don't take interest in politics these days. i'm in a safe
>>>> electorate so my vote counts for nothing. I usually just vote for
>>>> the independent candidate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

--
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FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just read
like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"- Xeno on Grubby Tech
"You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to *discredit*
what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick"- Xeno to Grubby Tech
"The morally vacuous narcissistic prick trying to take the moral high ground
is just laughable" - Clocky on noddy

On 15/4/2022 11:52 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 11:43 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 15/4/2022 11:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>>> willing
>>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>>
>>>
>>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're a pathetic joke Fraudster.
>>>> Always have been, always will be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>>
>> This is a *discussion* forum. Darren has made a claim, he should be
>> prepared to discuss his POV and the reasoning (if any) behind it. That
>> he runs away immediately he is held to task tells you a lot, both in
>> this and in all other claims he has made and run away from. He has
>> accused a media outlet of lacking credibility - ok, show evidence of
>> that.
>>
>
> it's a left wing media outlet.
>
Left wing or right wing, doesn't matter. Take issue instead with the
claims made and *disprove* them. Start with the first one;

1 Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that
office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful
spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too
much for land for the new Sydney airport).

Remember, it *started* with the sports rorts by the Libs and other
financial impropiety so there's the obvious motivation there from the
outset. It also wouldn't be the first time a *whistleblower* has been
screwed over for spilling the beans.

--
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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 11:27:49 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 15/04/2022 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 9:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>>> willing
>>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>>
>>>
>>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah there is when you're claiming bias. There is no bias, they're facts.
>>
>> As usual gutless Derro runs away after making a statement he can't
>> back up. Typical.
>>
>>
>
> but i'll bet a similar list could easily be made for any period Labor
> was in office

Unless you're going to supply it felix then you're as bad as Fraudster for
claiming something which you then refuse to substantiate.

alvey

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On 15/04/2022 11:27 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 9:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>>> willing
>>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>>
>>>
>>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah there is when you're claiming bias. There is no bias, they're facts.
>>
>> As usual gutless Derro runs away after making a statement he can't
>> back up. Typical.
>>
>>
>
> but i'll bet a similar list could easily be made for any period Labor
> was in office
>

**Fair enough. Submit your evidence.

I bet you cannot. This government is the most inept bunch of arseholes
ever to inhabit Canberra.

On 14/04/2022 10:00 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> Appalling:
>>>>
>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ROTFL :)
>>>
>>>  From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>
> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be willing
> to commit to the exercise. If you want to believe it all then knock
> yourself out, but there is nothing I could ever present to a "closet
> Labor Fanatic" like you that would ever make you believe otherwise :)
>
>
>
>

**That's not it. You won't, because you can't.

On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 4:25 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 3:22 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 10:15:39 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Appalling:
>>>>
>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>
>>>
>>> Better a rogue than a fool.
>>
>> **I fail to understand. Scummo is both a rogue and a fucking moron. This:
>>
>> https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/10/12/scott-morrison-brian-houston-relationship-hillsong/
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Just don't vote Green and all will be well.
>>
>> **OK, I'll bite. AFTER you read the Greens' policies, tell me what is
>> wrong with them:
>>
>> https://greens.org.au/platform
>
> They're completely unworkable. They might be okay if you live in a
> "La-La" type environment where you don't have to pay for it all, but in
> the real world the Greens are completely unaffordable.
>
>
>

**Your failure to read the Greens' policy documents is noted.

On 14/04/2022 5:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 4:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though the
>>> worst of the GFC and compare it to what a real budget emergency looks
>>> like after a decade of the LNP.
>
> ROTFL @ this ↑↑↑↑↑
>
> Giving everyone a flat panel TV bonus was careful financial management,
> was it?

**Bullshit. I didn't receive a new TV, nor did anyone I know. That would
be your lie.

>
> Hahahahaha :)
>
>
>> **The COALition has not fucked up the response to COVID completely.
>> SOME of what they did was good. Trouble is, there were some serious
>> fuck-ups along the way. And, of course, then there's the fact that
>> they went real quiet about a 'debt and deficit disaster', when they
>> put this nation into a debt situation not seen in decades.
>
> Just out of curiosity Trev, would you take a moment to explain exactly
> what the Libs *did* fuck up in relation to Covid?

**700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
* Lack of proper containment facilities for overseas arrivals.
* Relying on one vaccine and ordering back-up vaccines too late.
* Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering under
COVID restrictions.
* Not trying to claw back the money.
* Failing to introduce COVID mandates across the nation in a homogeneous
manner.

Genuinely curios given
> that we have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, one of
> the lowest per capita casualty rates, and we've come out the other side
> with an economy in excellent shape and unemployment at a record low.
>
> What exactly did they fuck up?

**See above. We are now saddled with a debt that dwarfs anything you
could even imagine Labor has given the nation. I notice that the
COALition has gone real quiet on the 'debt and deficit disaster' thing.
Why is that?

On 15/04/2022 12:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/4/2022 11:52 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 11:43 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 15/4/2022 11:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>>>> willing
>>>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a pathetic joke Fraudster.
>>>>> Always have been, always will be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> This is a *discussion* forum. Darren has made a claim, he should be
>>> prepared to discuss his POV and the reasoning (if any) behind it.
>>> That he runs away immediately he is held to task tells you a lot,
>>> both in this and in all other claims he has made and run away from.
>>> He has accused a media outlet of lacking credibility - ok, show
>>> evidence of that.
>>>
>>
>> it's a left wing media outlet.
>>
> Left wing or right wing, doesn't matter. Take issue instead with the
> claims made and *disprove* them. Start with the first one;
>
>     1 Cut $14 million from the national audit office, after that
>     office discovered substantial improprieties and wasteful
>     spending (such as the sports rorts, and paying 10 times too
>     much for land for the new Sydney airport).
>
> Remember, it *started* with the sports rorts by the Libs and other
> financial impropiety  so there's the obvious motivation there from the
> outset. It also wouldn't be the first time a *whistleblower* has been
> screwed over for spilling the beans.
>

like I said to Clocky, I don't take any interest in politics these days.
what will be will be regardless of how much I care or know or not. and
my vote is worth nothing anyway as I'm in a safe electorate. I won't say
which one, or grubby will start scanning the electoral rolls. :)

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On 15/04/2022 12:20 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 11:27:49 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 15/04/2022 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2022 9:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>>>> willing
>>>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>>>
>>>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>>>
>>> Yeah there is when you're claiming bias. There is no bias, they're facts.
>>>
>>> As usual gutless Derro runs away after making a statement he can't
>>> back up. Typical.
>>>
>>>
>> but i'll bet a similar list could easily be made for any period Labor
>> was in office
> Unless you're going to supply it felix then you're as bad as Fraudster for
> claiming something which you then refuse to substantiate.
>

wrong. an opinion doesn't require proof.

> alvey
>

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On 15/04/2022 12:22 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 11:27 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2022 9:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>>>> willing
>>>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah there is when you're claiming bias. There is no bias, they're
>>> facts.
>>>
>>> As usual gutless Derro runs away after making a statement he can't
>>> back up. Typical.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> but i'll bet a similar list could easily be made for any period Labor
>> was in office
>>
>
> **Fair enough. Submit your evidence. I bet you cannot.

are you seriously suggesting Labor govts are faultless?

>
> This government is the most inept bunch of arseholes ever to inhabit
> Canberra.

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On 15/04/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 5:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 4:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though the
>>>> worst of the GFC and compare it to what a real budget emergency
>>>> looks like after a decade of the LNP.
>>
>> ROTFL @ this ↑↑↑↑↑
>>
>> Giving everyone a flat panel TV bonus was careful financial
>> management, was it?
>
> **Bullshit. I didn't receive a new TV, nor did anyone I know. That
> would be your lie.
>
>>
>> Hahahahaha :)
>>
>>
>>> **The COALition has not fucked up the response to COVID completely.
>>> SOME of what they did was good. Trouble is, there were some serious
>>> fuck-ups along the way. And, of course, then there's the fact that
>>> they went real quiet about a 'debt and deficit disaster', when they
>>> put this nation into a debt situation not seen in decades.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity Trev, would you take a moment to explain
>> exactly what the Libs *did* fuck up in relation to Covid?
>
> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
> * Lack of proper containment facilities for overseas arrivals.
> * Relying on one vaccine and ordering back-up vaccines too late.
> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering
> under COVID restrictions.
> * Not trying to claw back the money.
> * Failing to introduce COVID mandates across the nation in a
> homogeneous manner.
>
>

the federal govt doesn't have the power/authority to mandate what the
States do. that's why we had different rules in each state.

>
>  Genuinely curios given
>> that we have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, one
>> of the lowest per capita casualty rates, and we've come out the other
>> side with an economy in excellent shape and unemployment at a record
>> low.
>>
>> What exactly did they fuck up?
>
> **See above. We are now saddled with a debt that dwarfs anything you
> could even imagine Labor has given the nation. I notice that the
> COALition has gone real quiet on the 'debt and deficit disaster'
> thing. Why is that?
>

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 5:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 4:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though the
>>>> worst of the GFC and compare it to what a real budget emergency
>>>> looks like after a decade of the LNP.
>>
>> ROTFL @ this ↑↑↑↑↑
>>
>> Giving everyone a flat panel TV bonus was careful financial
>> management, was it?
>
> **Bullshit. I didn't receive a new TV, nor did anyone I know. That would
> be your lie.
>
>>
>> Hahahahaha :)
>>
>>
>>> **The COALition has not fucked up the response to COVID completely.
>>> SOME of what they did was good. Trouble is, there were some serious
>>> fuck-ups along the way. And, of course, then there's the fact that
>>> they went real quiet about a 'debt and deficit disaster', when they
>>> put this nation into a debt situation not seen in decades.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity Trev, would you take a moment to explain exactly
>> what the Libs *did* fuck up in relation to Covid?
>
> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.

What makes you think that the Federal Govt could have done anything
about that or that a Labor Govt would have done anything different?

> * Lack of proper containment facilities for overseas arrivals.

That was and is a state issue unless the arrivals were into the NT or ACT.

> * Relying on one vaccine and ordering back-up vaccines too late.

BS, they ordered what they could get.

> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering under
> COVID restrictions.
> * Not trying to claw back the money.

Agree they didn't do a great job there and were too generous but not
only with companies, individuals also got handouts they didn't need or
deserve.
What makes you think that Labor would have done differently or better?

> * Failing to introduce COVID mandates across the nation in a homogeneous
> manner.

Another state controlled issue that the Feds couldn't have done anything
about even if they wanted to.
>
>
>
>  Genuinely curios given
>> that we have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, one of
>> the lowest per capita casualty rates, and we've come out the other
>> side with an economy in excellent shape and unemployment at a record low.
>>
>> What exactly did they fuck up?
>
> **See above. We are now saddled with a debt that dwarfs anything you
> could even imagine Labor has given the nation. I notice that the
> COALition has gone real quiet on the 'debt and deficit disaster' thing.
> Why is that?
>
Agree the debt is unprecedented but so was the issue they faced so it's
understandable and our debt to GDP percentage is still a lot better than
many other countries.
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp
Ours is currently 43.3% of GDP compared to Japan at 224.9%, the UK at
104.5%, the USA at 133.6% and Germany at 69.7%, India 56.6% and Canada
at 73.8%.
Faced with the same issues its very likely that a Labor Federal Govt
would done much the same as the Libs with much the same result
suggesting otherwise is nothing but a guess.

--
Daryl

On 15/4/2022 2:04 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 5:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 4:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though the
>>>>> worst of the GFC and compare it to what a real budget emergency
>>>>> looks like after a decade of the LNP.
>>>
>>> ROTFL @ this ↑↑↑↑↑
>>>
>>> Giving everyone a flat panel TV bonus was careful financial
>>> management, was it?
>>
>> **Bullshit. I didn't receive a new TV, nor did anyone I know. That
>> would be your lie.
>>
>>>
>>> Hahahahaha :)
>>>
>>>
>>>> **The COALition has not fucked up the response to COVID completely.
>>>> SOME of what they did was good. Trouble is, there were some serious
>>>> fuck-ups along the way. And, of course, then there's the fact that
>>>> they went real quiet about a 'debt and deficit disaster', when they
>>>> put this nation into a debt situation not seen in decades.
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity Trev, would you take a moment to explain
>>> exactly what the Libs *did* fuck up in relation to Covid?
>>
>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>> * Lack of proper containment facilities for overseas arrivals.
>> * Relying on one vaccine and ordering back-up vaccines too late.
>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering
>> under COVID restrictions.
>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>> * Failing to introduce COVID mandates across the nation in a
>> homogeneous manner.
>>
>>
>
> the federal govt doesn't have the power/authority to mandate what the
> States do. that's why we had different rules in each state.
>
Then it is high time such powers existed in situations, such as a
*pandemic*, where there should be some provision made. The *import* of
the virus from overseas was quite clearly a *federal fail* that the
states had to ultimately deal with - like the Ruby Princess debacle for
example. As an *island continent*, Australia should have been well able
to deal with, not to mention *prepared* for, a pandemic. IIRC, Abbott
even cited the risk of a future pandemic long before Covid struck - yet
nothing was ever done. There weren't ever proper quarantine facilities
in place before or during the pandemic. Seems all the lessons learnt
from previous pandemics such as the Spanish Flu were all forgotten.
>
>>

>>  Genuinely curios given
>>> that we have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, one
>>> of the lowest per capita casualty rates, and we've come out the other
>>> side with an economy in excellent shape and unemployment at a record
>>> low.
>>>
>>> What exactly did they fuck up?
>>
>> **See above. We are now saddled with a debt that dwarfs anything you
>> could even imagine Labor has given the nation. I notice that the
>> COALition has gone real quiet on the 'debt and deficit disaster'
>> thing. Why is that?
>>
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/4/2022 2:52 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 5:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 4:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though the
>>>>> worst of the GFC and compare it to what a real budget emergency
>>>>> looks like after a decade of the LNP.
>>>
>>> ROTFL @ this ↑↑↑↑↑
>>>
>>> Giving everyone a flat panel TV bonus was careful financial
>>> management, was it?
>>
>> **Bullshit. I didn't receive a new TV, nor did anyone I know. That
>> would be your lie.
>>
>>>
>>> Hahahahaha :)
>>>
>>>
>>>> **The COALition has not fucked up the response to COVID completely.
>>>> SOME of what they did was good. Trouble is, there were some serious
>>>> fuck-ups along the way. And, of course, then there's the fact that
>>>> they went real quiet about a 'debt and deficit disaster', when they
>>>> put this nation into a debt situation not seen in decades.
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity Trev, would you take a moment to explain
>>> exactly what the Libs *did* fuck up in relation to Covid?
>>
>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>
> What makes you think that the Federal Govt could have done anything
> about that or that a Labor Govt would have done anything different?
>
>> * Lack of proper containment facilities for overseas arrivals.
>
> That was and is a state issue unless the arrivals were into the NT or ACT.
>
>> * Relying on one vaccine and ordering back-up vaccines too late.
>
> BS, they ordered what they could get.
>
>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering
>> under COVID restrictions.
>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>
> Agree they didn't do a great job there and were too generous but not
> only with companies, individuals also got handouts they didn't need or
> deserve.
> What makes you think that Labor would have done differently or better?
>
>> * Failing to introduce COVID mandates across the nation in a
>> homogeneous manner.
>
> Another state controlled issue that the Feds couldn't have done anything
> about even if they wanted to.

In the case of the Ruby Princess debacle, the passengers came from
*overseas ports* but weren't subject to *any form whatsoever* of
immigration checks. That is definitely a *Federal responsibility*. The
passengers just walked off the ship, then spread themselves and the
virus around the country. That is a *huge federal fail* if ever I saw one!
>>
>>
>>
>>   Genuinely curios given
>>> that we have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, one
>>> of the lowest per capita casualty rates, and we've come out the other
>>> side with an economy in excellent shape and unemployment at a record
>>> low.
>>>
>>> What exactly did they fuck up?
>>
>> **See above. We are now saddled with a debt that dwarfs anything you
>> could even imagine Labor has given the nation. I notice that the
>> COALition has gone real quiet on the 'debt and deficit disaster'
>> thing. Why is that?
>>
> Agree the debt is unprecedented but so was the issue they faced so it's
> understandable and our debt to GDP percentage is still a lot better than
> many other countries.
> https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/australia/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp
>
> Ours is currently 43.3% of GDP compared to Japan at 224.9%, the UK at
> 104.5%, the USA at 133.6% and Germany at 69.7%, India 56.6% and Canada
> at 73.8%.
> Faced with the same issues its very likely that a Labor Federal Govt
> would done much the same as the Libs with much the same result
> suggesting otherwise is nothing but a guess.
>
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 14/04/2022 5:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 4:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though the
>>>> worst of the GFC and compare it to what a real budget emergency
>>>> looks like after a decade of the LNP.
>>
>> ROTFL @ this ↑↑↑↑↑
>>
>> Giving everyone a flat panel TV bonus was careful financial
>> management, was it?
>
> **Bullshit. I didn't receive a new TV, nor did anyone I know. That would
> be your lie.
>
Lies? Not an unusual thing for the *fraudster without peer* of aus.cars.

In fact, the challenge is, and remains, to pick *any truth* in the
bullshit he utters. Darren's the ultimate in *concrete thinkers*!
Definitely a high silica content in his mix.
>>
>> Hahahahaha :)
>>
>>
>>> **The COALition has not fucked up the response to COVID completely.
>>> SOME of what they did was good. Trouble is, there were some serious
>>> fuck-ups along the way. And, of course, then there's the fact that
>>> they went real quiet about a 'debt and deficit disaster', when they
>>> put this nation into a debt situation not seen in decades.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity Trev, would you take a moment to explain exactly
>> what the Libs *did* fuck up in relation to Covid?
>
> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
> * Lack of proper containment facilities for overseas arrivals.
> * Relying on one vaccine and ordering back-up vaccines too late.
> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering under
> COVID restrictions.
> * Not trying to claw back the money.
> * Failing to introduce COVID mandates across the nation in a homogeneous
> manner.
>
>
>
>  Genuinely curios given
>> that we have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, one of
>> the lowest per capita casualty rates, and we've come out the other
>> side with an economy in excellent shape and unemployment at a record low.
>>
>> What exactly did they fuck up?
>
> **See above. We are now saddled with a debt that dwarfs anything you
> could even imagine Labor has given the nation. I notice that the
> COALition has gone real quiet on the 'debt and deficit disaster' thing.
> Why is that?
>
A concrete thinker like Darren won't ever be able to answer that one.

Yes, we have the absolute worst ever fiscal situation and no sign of
ever getting out of it in a generation, or two. Even a minor global
financial crisis could totally cripple this country and it isn't like
they are rare events.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 15/04/2022 1:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 12:22 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 11:27 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2022 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 15/04/2022 9:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>>>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah there is when you're claiming bias. There is no bias, they're
>>>> facts.
>>>>
>>>> As usual gutless Derro runs away after making a statement he can't
>>>> back up. Typical.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> but i'll bet a similar list could easily be made for any period Labor
>>> was in office
>>>
>>
>> **Fair enough. Submit your evidence. I bet you cannot.
>
>
> are you seriously suggesting Labor govts are faultless?
>
>
>>
>> This government is the most inept bunch of arseholes ever to inhabit
>> Canberra.
>
>

**Absolutely NOT! However, NOTHING could be as bad as the idiots we have
in Canberra right now.

BTW: I am not a Labor supporter. Further and for the record: I would not
vote for Albo's weak, wishy-washy policies. Labor does not deserve my
vote. That said, a vote for that cretin, Scummo, and his band of
arseholes, is utterly unthinkable.

Labor is a bad choice. The COALition is worse.