On 16/04/2022 10:42 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 10:34 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 4:06 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:52:36 +1000, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>>>> What makes you think that the Federal Govt could have done anything
>>>> about that or that a Labor Govt would have done anything different?
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering
>>>>> under
>>>>> COVID restrictions.
>>>>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>>>> Agree they didn't do a great job there and were too generous but not
>>>> only with companies, individuals also got handouts they didn't need or
>>>> deserve.
>>>> What makes you think that Labor would have done differently or better?
>>> Ahhhh, the classic True Believer. Or, as they're also known, The
>>> Compleat
>>> Idiot. "Yes, my mob stuffed up there, but the other clowns would
>>> have been
>>> even worse!". You can't argue with a mind capable of this level of
>>> stupidity. It's like a club not wanting to change the players or coach
>>> after a hat-trick of wooden spoons because, "no-one could have done any
>>> better".
>>>
>>
>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no
>> way anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had
>> been in office
>
> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged is
> MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.
>
> Answer me this: Why would you (or anyone) reward these cunts with
> another 3 years?
>
> When you have a child who lies, steals and commits various acts of
> cuntishness, do you punish them?
>
> The COALition does not deserve another 3 years. To reward them with
> such, would be to tacitly allow them to be even worse next time.
>

ppl will vote for the Libs because they think Albo's mob could be worse.
the devil you know scenario. Albo is not instilling confidence in his
capability so far.

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On 15/04/2022 3:01 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 15/4/2022 2:04 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 14/04/2022 5:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 14/04/2022 4:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 14/04/2022 3:21 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Just look at the way Labor carefully managed the country though
>>>>>> the worst of the GFC and compare it to what a real budget
>>>>>> emergency looks like after a decade of the LNP.
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL @ this ↑↑↑↑↑
>>>>
>>>> Giving everyone a flat panel TV bonus was careful financial
>>>> management, was it?
>>>
>>> **Bullshit. I didn't receive a new TV, nor did anyone I know. That
>>> would be your lie.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hahahahaha :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> **The COALition has not fucked up the response to COVID
>>>>> completely. SOME of what they did was good. Trouble is, there were
>>>>> some serious fuck-ups along the way. And, of course, then there's
>>>>> the fact that they went real quiet about a 'debt and deficit
>>>>> disaster', when they put this nation into a debt situation not
>>>>> seen in decades.
>>>>
>>>> Just out of curiosity Trev, would you take a moment to explain
>>>> exactly what the Libs *did* fuck up in relation to Covid?
>>>
>>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>>> * Lack of proper containment facilities for overseas arrivals.
>>> * Relying on one vaccine and ordering back-up vaccines too late.
>>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering
>>> under COVID restrictions.
>>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>>> * Failing to introduce COVID mandates across the nation in a
>>> homogeneous manner.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> the federal govt doesn't have the power/authority to mandate what the
>> States do. that's why we had different rules in each state.
>>
> Then it is high time such powers existed in situations, such as a
> *pandemic*, where there should be some provision made.

yes

> The *import* of the virus from overseas was quite clearly a *federal
> fail* that the states had to ultimately deal with - like the Ruby
> Princess debacle for example. As an *island continent*, Australia
> should have been well able to deal with, not to mention *prepared*
> for, a pandemic. IIRC, Abbott even cited the risk of a future pandemic
> long before Covid struck - yet nothing was ever done. There weren't
> ever proper quarantine facilities in place before or during the
> pandemic. Seems all the lessons learnt from previous pandemics such as
> the Spanish Flu were all forgotten.

yes they should have built a dedicated quarantine camp when it became
obvious how bad/serious the situation was

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:34:43 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 15/04/2022 4:06 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:52:36 +1000, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>>> What makes you think that the Federal Govt could have done anything
>>> about that or that a Labor Govt would have done anything different?
>>
>> snip
>>
>>>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering under
>>>> COVID restrictions.
>>>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>>> Agree they didn't do a great job there and were too generous but not
>>> only with companies, individuals also got handouts they didn't need or
>>> deserve.
>>> What makes you think that Labor would have done differently or better?
>> Ahhhh, the classic True Believer. Or, as they're also known, The Compleat
>> Idiot. "Yes, my mob stuffed up there, but the other clowns would have been
>> even worse!". You can't argue with a mind capable of this level of
>> stupidity. It's like a club not wanting to change the players or coach
>> after a hat-trick of wooden spoons because, "no-one could have done any
>> better".
>>
>
> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no way
> anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had been in
> office

This is madness felix. Your crazed reasoning means that people will *never*
change their vote regardless of the performance of the incumbents. "Oh yes,
unemployment is 60%, life expectancy has dropped by 25 years, and selling
North Qld to the Chinese was possibly a mistake, but things would be much
worse if your mob was in power!". You need to have a little think about
your reasoning.

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On 16/04/2022 10:42 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 10:34 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no way
>> anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had been
>> in office
>
> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged is
> MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.

Massive and sustained acts of corruption?

Wow. That's a pretty serious accusation, which surely you can show to be
true. Can you point to a case that resulted in criminal charges being laid?

Any one will do....

> Answer me this: Why would you (or anyone) reward these cunts with
> another 3 years?

Hmmm. Interesting question. Perhaps the fact that we have endured a
world wide pandemic that has been devastating yet we've come out the
other side of it with minimal casualties, record low unemployment, low
interest rates and an economy that is the envy of most of the rest of
the world?

Not the answer for everything, sure, but we're doing a *hell* of a lot
better than many other places on the planet and that didn't happen by
itself.

> When you have a child who lies, steals and commits various acts of
> cuntishness, do you punish them?

Sure.

> The COALition does not deserve another 3 years. To reward them with
> such, would be to tacitly allow them to be even worse next time.

Why would it? :)

Trevor, answer me this. We've gone through a hellish time over the last
2 years. The whole planet has. Around 6 and a quarter million people
have died and many, *many* more have been left with long term effects
that will likely be with them for as long as they live. Economies around
the world have been devastated, businesses have collapsed, people have
lost their jobs, their homes, and so much more.

Yet despite all that, have *you* been affected to any significant degree?

Yeah, me either. Apart from some minor inconvenience of not being able
to get car parts or other supplies as quickly as I would like, my life
hasn't been affected to any significant degree. I was able to be
vaccinated with a booster in a timely fashion, have avoided contracting
the dreaded Covid thus far, and for all intents and purposes my life had
remained largely unaffected by the absolute mess the world has been in
for the last couple of years and I'm *far* from the only one to be so.

Our country has weathered this storm and come out the other side in
*remarkably* good shape, and that *didn't* happen by itself. So I ask
you: Despite all your claims of "fuck ups", corruption, thievery, lying
and whatever *else* you wish to throw into the mix, how is it possible
that we are in the shape we currently are if the level of administrative
ability is as incompetent as you claim it to be?

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On 16/04/2022 12:18 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:34:43 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 15/04/2022 4:06 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:52:36 +1000, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>>>> What makes you think that the Federal Govt could have done anything
>>>> about that or that a Labor Govt would have done anything different?
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering under
>>>>> COVID restrictions.
>>>>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>>>> Agree they didn't do a great job there and were too generous but not
>>>> only with companies, individuals also got handouts they didn't need or
>>>> deserve.
>>>> What makes you think that Labor would have done differently or better?
>>> Ahhhh, the classic True Believer. Or, as they're also known, The Compleat
>>> Idiot. "Yes, my mob stuffed up there, but the other clowns would have been
>>> even worse!". You can't argue with a mind capable of this level of
>>> stupidity. It's like a club not wanting to change the players or coach
>>> after a hat-trick of wooden spoons because, "no-one could have done any
>>> better".
>>>
>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no way
>> anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had been in
>> office
> This is madness felix. Your crazed reasoning means that people will *never*
> change their vote regardless of the performance of the incumbents. "Oh yes,
> unemployment is 60%, life expectancy has dropped by 25 years, and selling
> North Qld to the Chinese was possibly a mistake, but things would be much
> worse if your mob was in power!". You need to have a little think about
> your reasoning.

there's nothing wrong with my reasoning. what I said is correct, and
Trevor agreed. it's your deducted scenario that's incorrect.

>
>
> alvey
>

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On 16/04/2022 1:03 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 12:18 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:34:43 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/04/2022 4:06 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:52:36 +1000, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>>>>> What makes you think that the Federal Govt could have done anything
>>>>> about that or that a Labor Govt would have done anything different?
>>>>    snip
>>>>
>>>>>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> COVID restrictions.
>>>>>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>>>>> Agree they didn't do a great job there and were too generous but not
>>>>> only with companies, individuals also got handouts they didn't
>>>>> need or
>>>>> deserve.
>>>>> What makes you think that Labor would have done differently or
>>>>> better?
>>>> Ahhhh, the classic True Believer. Or, as they're also known, The
>>>> Compleat
>>>> Idiot. "Yes, my mob stuffed up there, but the other clowns would
>>>> have been
>>>> even worse!". You can't argue with a mind capable of this level of
>>>> stupidity. It's like a club not wanting to change the players or coach
>>>> after a hat-trick of wooden spoons because, "no-one could have done
>>>> any
>>>> better".
>>>>
>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no way
>>> anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had
>>> been in
>>> office
>> This is madness felix. Your crazed reasoning means that people will
>> *never*
>> change their vote regardless of the performance of the incumbents.
>> "Oh yes,
>> unemployment is 60%, life expectancy has dropped by 25 years, and
>> selling
>> North Qld to the Chinese was possibly a mistake, but things would be
>> much
>> worse if your mob was in power!". You need to have a little think about
>> your reasoning.
>
>
> there's nothing wrong with my reasoning. what I said is correct, and
> Trevor agreed. it's your deducted scenario that's incorrect.
>
>

my bad. "deduced scenario" not "deducted scenario"

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On 15/04/2022 6:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 7:22 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 15/04/2022 5:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> **Your failure to read the Greens' policy documents is noted.
>>>
>>> Lol :)
>>>
>>> When you do this you remind me a lot of Paul Saccani. He used to do
>>> this all the time in that he would assume that, as he could never be
>>> wrong, then whoever didn't agree with him must simply not understand
>>> what was being discussed :)
>>>
>>> It's just as funny when you do it, too :)
>>
>> **What is sad, is that you have failed to read the Greens' policy
>> documents.
>
> Oh, I've read them Trevor.

Liar.

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On 16/04/2022 11:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 10:42 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 10:34 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 15/04/2022 4:06 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:52:36 +1000, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>>>>> What makes you think that the Federal Govt could have done anything
>>>>> about that or that a Labor Govt would have done anything different?
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> COVID restrictions.
>>>>>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>>>>> Agree they didn't do a great job there and were too generous but not
>>>>> only with companies, individuals also got handouts they didn't need or
>>>>> deserve.
>>>>> What makes you think that Labor would have done differently or better?
>>>> Ahhhh, the classic True Believer. Or, as they're also known, The
>>>> Compleat
>>>> Idiot. "Yes, my mob stuffed up there, but the other clowns would
>>>> have been
>>>> even worse!". You can't argue with a mind capable of this level of
>>>> stupidity. It's like a club not wanting to change the players or coach
>>>> after a hat-trick of wooden spoons because, "no-one could have done any
>>>> better".
>>>>
>>>
>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no
>>> way anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had
>>> been in office
>>
>> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged is
>> MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.
>>
>> Answer me this: Why would you (or anyone) reward these cunts with
>> another 3 years?
>>
>> When you have a child who lies, steals and commits various acts of
>> cuntishness, do you punish them?
>>
>> The COALition does not deserve another 3 years. To reward them with
>> such, would be to tacitly allow them to be even worse next time.
>>
>
> ppl will vote for the Libs because they think Albo's mob could be worse.

**They THINK he may be worse, but we KNOW how bad Scummo's band of
crooks is. They should never be rewarded for their criminal acts.

> the devil you know scenario. Albo is not instilling confidence in his
> capability so far.

**Why? Take as much time as you need to answer. You think that Scummo
and his happy-clappy bullshit is good?

On 16/04/2022 5:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 11:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> ppl will vote for the Libs because they think Albo's mob could be worse.
>
> **They THINK he may be worse, but we KNOW how bad Scummo's band of
> crooks is. They should never be rewarded for their criminal acts.

You're really starting to sound like a crank, Trev :)

>> the devil you know scenario. Albo is not instilling confidence in his
>> capability so far.
>
> **Why? Take as much time as you need to answer. You think that Scummo
> and his happy-clappy bullshit is good?

What happy clappy bullshit? Thus far I've not seen him push his
religious beliefs onto anyone else.

On the other hand, Albo has already shown that he has no idea about
details such as the unemployment and cash rates, and has *already*
demonstrated a willingness to lie in claiming that he was an economics
policy advisor under the Hawke government and that his party's health
policy was fully costed.

Neither are true.

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On 16/4/2022 6:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 5:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 11:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> ppl will vote for the Libs because they think Albo's mob could be worse.
>>
>> **They THINK he may be worse, but we KNOW how bad Scummo's band of
>> crooks is. They should never be rewarded for their criminal acts.
>
> You're really starting to sound like a crank, Trev :)
>
>>> the devil you know scenario. Albo is not instilling confidence in his
>>> capability so far.
>>
>> **Why? Take as much time as you need to answer. You think that Scummo
>> and his happy-clappy bullshit is good?
>
> What happy clappy bullshit? Thus far I've not seen him push his
> religious beliefs onto anyone else.
>
> On the other hand, Albo has already shown that he has no idea about
> details such as the unemployment and cash rates, and has *already*
> demonstrated a willingness to lie in claiming that he was an economics
> policy advisor under the Hawke government and that his party's health
> policy was fully costed.
>
> Neither are true.
>
So Darren, you taught Albo everything you knew about lying, huh? Hate to
tell you Darren, he'll never hold a candle to you. Morrison is more in
your league.

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On 16/04/2022 12:30 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 10:42 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 10:34 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no
>>> way anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had
>>> been in office
>>
>> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged is
>> MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.
>
> Massive and sustained acts of corruption?

**Yes.

>
> Wow. That's a pretty serious accusation, which surely you can show to be
> true. Can you point to a case that resulted in criminal charges being laid?
>
> Any one will do....

**After Labor introduces a Federal ICAC, you will see just how corrupt
the COALition is.

>
>> Answer me this: Why would you (or anyone) reward these cunts with
>> another 3 years?
>
> Hmmm. Interesting question. Perhaps the fact that we have endured a
> world wide pandemic that has been devastating yet we've come out the
> other side of it with minimal casualties, record low unemployment, low
> interest rates and an economy that is the envy of most of the rest of
> the world?
>
> Not the answer for everything, sure, but we're doing a *hell* of a lot
> better than many other places on the planet and that didn't happen by
> itself.

**Most of it is due to our relative isolation. Let's not forget that.
The STATE governments have, in general, handled the crisis quite well.

>
>> When you have a child who lies, steals and commits various acts of
>> cuntishness, do you punish them?
>
> Sure.

**Then why treat a political party any differently?

>
>> The COALition does not deserve another 3 years. To reward them with
>> such, would be to tacitly allow them to be even worse next time.
>
> Why would it? :)

**The definition of insanity is to vote the same way and expect a
different outcome.

>
> Trevor, answer me this. We've gone through a hellish time over the last
> 2 years.

**BULL-FUCKING-SHIT! We have undergone an inconvenience over the past
couple of years. Ukrainians are going through Hell on Earth. My uncles
who fought the Japanese in various theatres in WWII went through Hell on
Earth. COVID is just a minor inconvenience. As we will no doubt find out
when/if China turns it's gaze towards Australia.

The whole planet has. Around 6 and a quarter million people
> have died and many, *many* more have been left with long term effects
> that will likely be with them for as long as they live. Economies around
> the world have been devastated, businesses have collapsed, people have
> lost their jobs, their homes, and so much more.
>
> Yet despite all that, have *you* been affected to any significant degree?

**Barely noticed. However, I'm careful and triple (soon to be quadruple)
vaxxed. I still wear a mask when shopping. It's a seat belt for my COVID
health.

>
> Yeah, me either. Apart from some minor inconvenience of not being able
> to get car parts or other supplies as quickly as I would like, my life
> hasn't been affected to any significant degree. I was able to be
> vaccinated with a booster in a timely fashion, have avoided contracting
> the dreaded Covid thus far, and for all intents and purposes my life had
> remained largely unaffected by the absolute mess the world has been in
> for the last couple of years and I'm *far* from the only one to be so.

**An absolute mess is Ukraine. Nothign to do with COVID, which is an
inconvenience.

>
> Our country has weathered this storm and come out the other side in
> *remarkably* good shape, and that *didn't* happen by itself. So I ask
> you: Despite all your claims of "fuck ups",  corruption, thievery, lying
> and whatever *else* you wish to throw into the mix, how is it possible
> that we are in the shape we currently are if the level of administrative
> ability is as incompetent as you claim it to be?

**I will say again: Thanks, largely to our state governments, we have
weathered the COVID storm reasonably well. So far. It ain't over yet. I
am stunned and disappointed that mask mandates are not still in place.
There is not reason to assume that the next COVID variant won't be
deadly AND more easily transmitted.

On 16/04/2022 7:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 12:30 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no
>>>> way anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had
>>>> been in office
>>>
>>> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged
>>> is MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.
>>
>> Massive and sustained acts of corruption?
>
> **Yes.

And yet there have been no charges laid to date for these "criminal
acts". Why is that?

>> Wow. That's a pretty serious accusation, which surely you can show to
>> be true. Can you point to a case that resulted in criminal charges
>> being laid?
>>
>> Any one will do....
>
> **After Labor introduces a Federal ICAC, you will see just how corrupt
> the COALition is.

Nice editorial, but you completely avoided the question which was if the
Libs are as guilty of corrupt and criminal behaviour as you say, why
haven't we seen any charges laid over these actions?

I take it you understand that Labor isn't any keener to see a Federal
ICAC introduced than the Libs or anyone else, right? Why do you think
Labor has not said a word about it until now at the start of an election
campaign? :)

>>> Answer me this: Why would you (or anyone) reward these cunts with
>>> another 3 years?
>>
>> Hmmm. Interesting question. Perhaps the fact that we have endured a
>> world wide pandemic that has been devastating yet we've come out the
>> other side of it with minimal casualties, record low unemployment, low
>> interest rates and an economy that is the envy of most of the rest of
>> the world?
>>
>> Not the answer for everything, sure, but we're doing a *hell* of a lot
>> better than many other places on the planet and that didn't happen by
>> itself.
>
> **Most of it is due to our relative isolation. Let's not forget that.
> The STATE governments have, in general, handled the crisis quite well.

There has been varied success from different state governments, how does
that square with your earlier comments of the Federal government's
response to the pandemic being a fuck up?

>>> When you have a child who lies, steals and commits various acts of
>>> cuntishness, do you punish them?
>>
>> Sure.
>
> **Then why treat a political party any differently?

I don't. I just don't react as fanatically as you do :)

>>> The COALition does not deserve another 3 years. To reward them with
>>> such, would be to tacitly allow them to be even worse next time.
>>
>> Why would it? :)
>
> **The definition of insanity is to vote the same way and expect a
> different outcome.

Apart from making zero sense in this context, than analogy fails to show
how if re-elected the current government would be the slightest bit
different one way or the other.

>> Trevor, answer me this. We've gone through a hellish time over the
>> last 2 years.
>
> **BULL-FUCKING-SHIT! We have undergone an inconvenience over the past
> couple of years. Ukrainians are going through Hell on Earth. My uncles
> who fought the Japanese in various theatres in WWII went through Hell on
> Earth. COVID is just a minor inconvenience. As we will no doubt find out
> when/if China turns it's gaze towards Australia.

Calling the deaths of over 6 million people, tanked economies, destroyed
companies and God only knows what else an "inconvenience" is
understating the case somewhat.

>  The whole planet has. Around 6 and a quarter million people
>> have died and many, *many* more have been left with long term effects
>> that will likely be with them for as long as they live. Economies
>> around the world have been devastated, businesses have collapsed,
>> people have lost their jobs, their homes, and so much more.
>>
>> Yet despite all that, have *you* been affected to any significant degree?
>
> **Barely noticed. However, I'm careful and triple (soon to be quadruple)
> vaxxed. I still wear a mask when shopping. It's a seat belt for my COVID
> health.

Right, and the point being, which largely seems lost on you, is that the
actions of our government not only helped to keep you safe and healthy,
but also prevented you from suffering financially.

>> Yeah, me either. Apart from some minor inconvenience of not being able
>> to get car parts or other supplies as quickly as I would like, my life
>> hasn't been affected to any significant degree. I was able to be
>> vaccinated with a booster in a timely fashion, have avoided
>> contracting the dreaded Covid thus far, and for all intents and
>> purposes my life had remained largely unaffected by the absolute mess
>> the world has been in for the last couple of years and I'm *far* from
>> the only one to be so.
>
> **An absolute mess is Ukraine. Nothign to do with COVID, which is an
> inconvenience.

6.25 million people might disagree with you on that.
>> Our country has weathered this storm and come out the other side in
>> *remarkably* good shape, and that *didn't* happen by itself. So I ask
>> you: Despite all your claims of "fuck ups",  corruption, thievery,
>> lying and whatever *else* you wish to throw into the mix, how is it
>> possible that we are in the shape we currently are if the level of
>> administrative ability is as incompetent as you claim it to be?
>
> **I will say again: Thanks, largely to our state governments, we have
> weathered the COVID storm reasonably well.

To a degree, but there have been many fuck-ups along the way. And
regardless of what side of the political fence they sit on, they have
*all* relied on and received Federal assistance to keep their wheels
turning and permit life to carry on in as normal a fashion as possible.

> So far. It ain't over yet. I am stunned and disappointed that mask mandates are not still in place.
> There is not reason to assume that the next COVID variant won't be
> deadly AND more easily transmitted.

The fact that we now have around 85% of the population fully vaccinated
means that we don't need to have as drastic transmission measures in
place as we once did.

You're right, it's not over and it probably won't be for quite some
time. But if you're triple vaxed and about to get your second booster
the chances of you being adversely affected by *any* currently known
variant are very low indeed.

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 13:03:58 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 16/04/2022 12:18 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:34:43 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/04/2022 4:06 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:52:36 +1000, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>>>>> What makes you think that the Federal Govt could have done anything
>>>>> about that or that a Labor Govt would have done anything different?
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering under
>>>>>> COVID restrictions.
>>>>>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>>>>> Agree they didn't do a great job there and were too generous but not
>>>>> only with companies, individuals also got handouts they didn't need or
>>>>> deserve.
>>>>> What makes you think that Labor would have done differently or better?
>>>> Ahhhh, the classic True Believer. Or, as they're also known, The Compleat
>>>> Idiot. "Yes, my mob stuffed up there, but the other clowns would have been
>>>> even worse!". You can't argue with a mind capable of this level of
>>>> stupidity. It's like a club not wanting to change the players or coach
>>>> after a hat-trick of wooden spoons because, "no-one could have done any
>>>> better".
>>>>
>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no way
>>> anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had been in
>>> office
>> This is madness felix. Your crazed reasoning means that people will *never*
>> change their vote regardless of the performance of the incumbents. "Oh yes,
>> unemployment is 60%, life expectancy has dropped by 25 years, and selling
>> North Qld to the Chinese was possibly a mistake, but things would be much
>> worse if your mob was in power!". You need to have a little think about
>> your reasoning.
>
> there's nothing wrong with my reasoning. what I said is correct, and
> Trevor agreed.

Well derr, of course there's no way of knowing. My point was beyond that in
that you are assuming the worst Every Single Time, and that by using
your farcial reasoning there is no possibility of you ever changing your
vote. That is not a good thing for a country felix. cf RM Nixon, DJ Trump.

> it's your deducted scenario that's incorrect.

There's no way of knowing that...

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 14:03:27 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 16/04/2022 1:03 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 12:18 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:34:43 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/04/2022 4:06 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:52:36 +1000, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/4/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>>>>>> What makes you think that the Federal Govt could have done anything
>>>>>> about that or that a Labor Govt would have done anything different?
>>>>>    snip
>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> COVID restrictions.
>>>>>>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>>>>>> Agree they didn't do a great job there and were too generous but not
>>>>>> only with companies, individuals also got handouts they didn't
>>>>>> need or
>>>>>> deserve.
>>>>>> What makes you think that Labor would have done differently or
>>>>>> better?
>>>>> Ahhhh, the classic True Believer. Or, as they're also known, The
>>>>> Compleat
>>>>> Idiot. "Yes, my mob stuffed up there, but the other clowns would
>>>>> have been
>>>>> even worse!". You can't argue with a mind capable of this level of
>>>>> stupidity. It's like a club not wanting to change the players or coach
>>>>> after a hat-trick of wooden spoons because, "no-one could have done
>>>>> any
>>>>> better".
>>>>>
>>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no way
>>>> anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had
>>>> been in
>>>> office
>>> This is madness felix. Your crazed reasoning means that people will
>>> *never*
>>> change their vote regardless of the performance of the incumbents.
>>> "Oh yes,
>>> unemployment is 60%, life expectancy has dropped by 25 years, and
>>> selling
>>> North Qld to the Chinese was possibly a mistake, but things would be
>>> much
>>> worse if your mob was in power!". You need to have a little think about
>>> your reasoning.
>>
>>
>> there's nothing wrong with my reasoning. what I said is correct, and
>> Trevor agreed. it's your deducted scenario that's incorrect.
>>
>>
>
> my bad. "deduced scenario" not "deducted scenario"

I wondered wtf a "deducted scenario" was, but I excused you because of your
advancing age and retreating intelligence...

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 12:30:13 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 16/04/2022 10:42 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 10:34 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no way
>>> anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had been
>>> in office
>>
>> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged is
>> MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.
>
> Massive and sustained acts of corruption?
>
> Wow. That's a pretty serious accusation, which surely you can show to be
> true. Can you point to a case that resulted in criminal charges being laid?

Yep, Fraudster retains his 100% record of being Rong in law.

"Corruption" does not have to be a criminal offence Gubbins. Frinstance,
there is Supply and Demand coruption (one of the 4 types), where it is
considered "corrupt" for a supplier to significantly overcharge for a
good/product which is in short supply. eg As some pharmacies were doing for
RAT tests at one stage of this pandemic. As we saw, gvts are powerless to
stop this.

Anyhoo, it comes as absolutely no surprise that a sociopath like yourself
is completely unaware of the concept of 'moral' corruption.
>
> Any one will do....
>
>> Answer me this: Why would you (or anyone) reward these cunts with
>> another 3 years?
>
> Hmmm. Interesting question. Perhaps the fact that we have endured a
> world wide pandemic that has been devastating yet we've come out the
> other side of it with minimal casualties, record low unemployment, low
> interest rates and an economy that is the envy of most of the rest of
> the world?

I suppose one could opine that as most Fed gubmint members are way more
interested in stuffing their pockets and chasing skirt then they've let the
actual experts from Treasury & Finance get on with the job of the economy.

Annnd that's enough of Gubbins translations from the original Murdoch.

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 21:43:45 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 16/04/2022 7:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 12:30 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no
>>>>> way anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had
>>>>> been in office
>>>>
>>>> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged
>>>> is MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.
>>>
>>> Massive and sustained acts of corruption?
>>
>> **Yes.
>
> And yet there have been no charges laid to date for these "criminal
> acts". Why is that?

Why is "criminal acts" in quotes? Who said it?
Anyhoo, as previously stated Fraudster, corruption is not necessarily a
"criminal act". It's like what you do to English Fraudster, not actually
"criminal", but should be.

snip unread

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 18:10:16 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> On 16/04/2022 5:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 11:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> ppl will vote for the Libs because they think Albo's mob could be worse.
>>
>> **They THINK he may be worse, but we KNOW how bad Scummo's band of
>> crooks is. They should never be rewarded for their criminal acts.
>
> You're really starting to sound like a crank, Trev :)
>
>>> the devil you know scenario. Albo is not instilling confidence in his
>>> capability so far.
>>
>> **Why? Take as much time as you need to answer. You think that Scummo
>> and his happy-clappy bullshit is good?
>
> What happy clappy bullshit? Thus far I've not seen him push his
> religious beliefs onto anyone else.

Really? So his errr 'devotion' to exemptions allowing religious schools to
sack staff and expel students on gay/sex issues doesn't count?

But again you miss the Big Picture. Anyone who believes in a god is either
a fool or a charlatan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VSw6hNEoCU

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:25:51 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 16/04/2022 6:20 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 21:04:38 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 15/04/2022 4:13 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 13:56:43 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/04/2022 12:20 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 11:27:49 +1000, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/04/2022 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/04/2022 9:04 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 15/04/2022 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 22:00:51 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 7:58 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 5:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/04/2022 10:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Appalling:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://chaser.com.au/national/an-exhaustive-list-of-the-liberal-partys-corruption-over-the-last-7-years/?fbclid=IwAR2Ac3-VOZ2OBt2PL3aHEZSEbYBeig78oZCG6zqE7lidgWMc04am5_NwP40
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   From one of the world's most credible media outlets :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **Then feel free to disprove the claims.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Trevor. That would take *way* more energy than I'd ever be
>>>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>>>> to commit to the exercise.
>>>>>>>>>> There he goes folks. Galloping down the well-worn Runaway Track.
>>>>>>>>> he's just not interested. no shame in that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah there is when you're claiming bias. There is no bias, they're facts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As usual gutless Derro runs away after making a statement he can't
>>>>>>>> back up. Typical.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but i'll bet a similar list could easily be made for any period Labor
>>>>>>> was in office
>>>>>> Unless you're going to supply it felix then you're as bad as Fraudster for
>>>>>> claiming something which you then refuse to substantiate.
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrong. an opinion doesn't require proof.
>>>> Wronger. "...i'll bet a similar list could easily be made..." is a
>>>> statement *not* an opinion,
>>> wrongerer. it's an opinion.  "I'll bet" qualifies my statement and makes
>>> it opinion.
>> Wrongerest. "I'll bet" does no such thing. If anything it reinforces that
>> the sentence is a statement.
>
> wrongerestering. it's not a statement of fact! it's not something that
> needs to be proven. it's speculation/opinion/belief. if you tell me you
> can do something and I say "I bet you can't", I'm not saying you cannot,
> I'm saying I don't believe you can. if I had just said "you can't" that
> would be a claim that you cannot do it.

Wrongerest + infinity + 1.

Nope. Your "I bet..." is an affirmative declaration. Translated into
unambiguous English you are saying, "Hullo, my name is felix and I'm
attempting a weasel. I'll be voting for the Libs until I cark it. And
possibly even afterwards if that cuddly Peter Dutton can work out a way."

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On 16/4/2022 7:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 12:30 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 10:42 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 16/04/2022 10:34 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no
>>>> way anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor had
>>>> been in office
>>>
>>> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged
>>> is MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.
>>
>> Massive and sustained acts of corruption?
>
> **Yes.
>
>>
>> Wow. That's a pretty serious accusation, which surely you can show to
>> be true. Can you point to a case that resulted in criminal charges
>> being laid?
>>
>> Any one will do....
>
> **After Labor introduces a Federal ICAC,

Judging by how ineffective the state versions of an ICAC have been what
makes you think that a Federal ICAC will actually be anything other than
another money wasting exercise?
No politician from any party would want an effective ICAC because they
are all as bad as each other.
You are living in fantasy land if you think Labor is any more or less
corrupt than the Liberals, if you want to see corruption look no further
than the Victorian Labor Govt despite Vic having an anti corruption agency.

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On 17/04/2022 9:00 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 16/4/2022 7:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>>> Wow. That's a pretty serious accusation, which surely you can show to
>>> be true. Can you point to a case that resulted in criminal charges
>>> being laid?
>>>
>>> Any one will do....
>>
>> **After Labor introduces a Federal ICAC,
>
> Judging by how ineffective the state versions of an ICAC have been what
> makes you think that a Federal ICAC will actually be anything other than
> another money wasting exercise?
> No politician from any party would want an effective ICAC because they
> are all as bad as each other.

Precisely. *None* of them want it, which is why none of them have ever
lifted a finger to make it happen.

> You are living in fantasy land if you think Labor is any more or less
> corrupt than the Liberals, if you want to see corruption look no further
> than the Victorian Labor Govt despite Vic having an anti corruption agency.

They're all full of shit, and Albanese is just as much of a lying turd
as the rest of them.

Take the recent "mean girls" fiasco for example. Albanese has in the
past pointed the finger at other people for bullying behaviour when it
suited him, but when it happens on *his* side of the fence and allegedly
results in the *death* of someone he not only refuses to even hold a
sham enquiry but denies it ever took place to begin with.

Someone actually *died* as a result of the bullshit he allowed to take
place within his own party, and this is the cunt of a thing than someone
want as Prime Minister?

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On 16/04/2022 9:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 16/04/2022 7:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 12:30 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no
>>>>> way anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor
>>>>> had been in office
>>>>
>>>> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged
>>>> is MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.
>>>
>>> Massive and sustained acts of corruption?
>>
>> **Yes.
>
> And yet there have been no charges laid to date for these "criminal
> acts". Why is that?

**For EXACTLY the same reason why no charges were laid to convict the
O'Beids here in NSW. It took a state ICAC to investigate and lay
charges. The O'Beids are resting comfortably in jail right now. Until we
have a Federal ICAC, Federal politicians will continue to act like
criminals.

>
>>> Wow. That's a pretty serious accusation, which surely you can show to
>>> be true. Can you point to a case that resulted in criminal charges
>>> being laid?
>>>
>>> Any one will do....
>>
>> **After Labor introduces a Federal ICAC, you will see just how corrupt
>> the COALition is.
>
> Nice editorial, but you completely avoided the question which was if the
> Libs are as guilty of corrupt and criminal behaviour as you say, why
> haven't we seen any charges laid over these actions?

**See above. A Federal ICAC is required. The criminal activities of
Federal politicians will go unpunished, until we have one. Scummo
promised one and never introduced the legislation. Labor said they
would. Scummo has had 3 years to get his shit together. He has failed
this nation and must be kicked out.

>
> I take it you understand that Labor isn't any keener to see a Federal
> ICAC introduced than the Libs or anyone else, right?

**Then, if they don't do what they promise, boot them out.

Why do you think
> Labor has not said a word about it until now at the start of an election
> campaign? :)

**BULLSHIT! Labor has been asking for the legislation for the past 6 ~ 7
years. Scummo has been dodging it.

>
>>>> Answer me this: Why would you (or anyone) reward these cunts with
>>>> another 3 years?
>>>
>>> Hmmm. Interesting question. Perhaps the fact that we have endured a
>>> world wide pandemic that has been devastating yet we've come out the
>>> other side of it with minimal casualties, record low unemployment,
>>> low interest rates and an economy that is the envy of most of the
>>> rest of the world?
>>>
>>> Not the answer for everything, sure, but we're doing a *hell* of a
>>> lot better than many other places on the planet and that didn't
>>> happen by itself.
>>
>> **Most of it is due to our relative isolation. Let's not forget that.
>> The STATE governments have, in general, handled the crisis quite well.
>
> There has been varied success from different state governments, how does
> that square with your earlier comments of the Federal government's
> response to the pandemic being a fuck up?

**Asked and answered.

>
>>>> When you have a child who lies, steals and commits various acts of
>>>> cuntishness, do you punish them?
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>
>> **Then why treat a political party any differently?
>
> I don't. I just don't react as fanatically as you do :)
>
>>>> The COALition does not deserve another 3 years. To reward them with
>>>> such, would be to tacitly allow them to be even worse next time.
>>>
>>> Why would it? :)
>>
>> **The definition of insanity is to vote the same way and expect a
>> different outcome.
>
> Apart from making zero sense in this context, than analogy fails to show
> how if re-elected the current government would be the slightest bit
> different one way or the other.

**Here goes:

Read the list of fuck-ups and lies that I submitted previously. Voting
for the same bunch of arseholes merely guarantees that we will see more
fuck-ups and lies.

>
>>> Trevor, answer me this. We've gone through a hellish time over the
>>> last 2 years.
>>
>> **BULL-FUCKING-SHIT! We have undergone an inconvenience over the past
>> couple of years. Ukrainians are going through Hell on Earth. My uncles
>> who fought the Japanese in various theatres in WWII went through Hell
>> on Earth. COVID is just a minor inconvenience. As we will no doubt
>> find out when/if China turns it's gaze towards Australia.
>
> Calling the deaths of over 6 million people, tanked economies, destroyed
> companies and God only knows what else an "inconvenience" is
> understating the case somewhat.

**WWII was responsible for the deaths of around 70 ~ 85 million people.
Around 3% of the planet's population back then. 6 million, whilst
horrible, is a blip. AND, if you want to know about deprivations, just
ask someone who lived in Europe at that time. The suffering of hundreds
of millions of people makes the present issue, barely an issue.

>
>>   The whole planet has. Around 6 and a quarter million people
>>> have died and many, *many* more have been left with long term effects
>>> that will likely be with them for as long as they live. Economies
>>> around the world have been devastated, businesses have collapsed,
>>> people have lost their jobs, their homes, and so much more.
>>>
>>> Yet despite all that, have *you* been affected to any significant
>>> degree?
>>
>> **Barely noticed. However, I'm careful and triple (soon to be
>> quadruple) vaxxed. I still wear a mask when shopping. It's a seat belt
>> for my COVID health.
>
> Right, and the point being, which largely seems lost on you, is that the
> actions of our government not only helped to keep you safe and healthy,
> but also prevented you from suffering financially.

**My STATE government, yes. I have not received a single cent from the
Feds.

>
>>> Yeah, me either. Apart from some minor inconvenience of not being
>>> able to get car parts or other supplies as quickly as I would like,
>>> my life hasn't been affected to any significant degree. I was able to
>>> be vaccinated with a booster in a timely fashion, have avoided
>>> contracting the dreaded Covid thus far, and for all intents and
>>> purposes my life had remained largely unaffected by the absolute mess
>>> the world has been in for the last couple of years and I'm *far* from
>>> the only one to be so.
>>
>> **An absolute mess is Ukraine. Nothign to do with COVID, which is an
>> inconvenience.
>
> 6.25 million people might disagree with you on that.
>>> Our country has weathered this storm and come out the other side in
>>> *remarkably* good shape, and that *didn't* happen by itself. So I ask
>>> you: Despite all your claims of "fuck ups",  corruption, thievery,
>>> lying and whatever *else* you wish to throw into the mix, how is it
>>> possible that we are in the shape we currently are if the level of
>>> administrative ability is as incompetent as you claim it to be?
>>
>> **I will say again: Thanks, largely to our state governments, we have
>> weathered the COVID storm reasonably well.
>
> To a degree, but there have been many fuck-ups along the way. And
> regardless of what side of the political fence they sit on, they have
> *all* relied on and received Federal assistance to keep their wheels
> turning and permit life to carry on in as normal a fashion as possible.

**Actually, not so much. The Feds have helped, but the states have done
all the heavy lifting. Scummo does like to take credit though.

>
>> So far. It ain't over yet. I am stunned and disappointed that mask
>> mandates are not still in place. There is not reason to assume that
>> the next COVID variant won't be deadly AND more easily transmitted.
>
> The fact that we now have around 85% of the population fully vaccinated
> means that we don't need to have as drastic transmission measures in
> place as we once did.
>
> You're right, it's not over and it probably won't be for quite some
> time. But if you're triple vaxed and about to get your second booster
> the chances of you being adversely affected by *any* currently known
> variant are very low indeed.

On 15/04/2022 4:23 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 15/04/2022 12:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 14/04/2022 5:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Giving everyone a flat panel TV bonus was careful financial
>>> management, was it?
>>
>> **Bullshit. I didn't receive a new TV, nor did anyone I know. That
>> would be your lie.
>
> Come on Trevor. Even the media was calling the 900 buck "stimulus bonus"
> the flat panel TV payment :)

**I will state once more:

Bullshit. I didn't receive a new TV, nor did anyone I know. That would
be your lie.

>
>>>> **The COALition has not fucked up the response to COVID completely.
>>>> SOME of what they did was good. Trouble is, there were some serious
>>>> fuck-ups along the way. And, of course, then there's the fact that
>>>> they went real quiet about a 'debt and deficit disaster', when they
>>>> put this nation into a debt situation not seen in decades.
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity Trev, would you take a moment to explain
>>> exactly what the Libs *did* fuck up in relation to Covid?
>>
>> **700-odd deaths in federally controlled aged care facilities.
>
> Yep, sad. Lots of deaths in privately run aged care facilities too.

**The vast majority of deaths occurred in facilities that the Feds are
responsible for overseeing.

It
> caught everyone out, and it highlighted the ruin that successive
> governments have allowed the aged care sector to become. It's a mess,
> and no government ever does anything to fix it. Not Liberal, not Labor.
> No one.

**Well, certainly not the COALition anyway. Despite repeated calls, they
failed to mandate the following:

* 24/7 nurses on duty.
* Minimum carers vs. resident ratios.
* Minimum standards for food.

I've some experience with aged care facilities, with two relatives
presently in care (where nurses are on duty 24/7), food is excellent and
costs are reasonable. I examined 27 (TWENTY SEVEN) facilities that met
my standards of care. It should not be that difficult. In one facility,
where my mother and sister resided, care was excellent. The facility was
bought by a larger corporation and staff numbers were cut by 30%
instantly. All because the Feds refuse to address the very real problems
in the industry. The COALition have had ten years to do something. They
failed. Time for a change.

>
>> * Lack of proper containment facilities for overseas arrivals.
>
> We used to have hostels and other facilities for overseas arrivals but
> they were made redundant by the bleeding hearts who said they were cruel
> and we didn't need them. *Now* apparently we do, but seemingly only for
> those times when we have a massive pandemic on our hands which is like
> once every hundred years or so.

**Well, bleeding hearts like Scummo refused to build the necessary
facilities.

>
> Any money bet that if we had them and never used them but continued to
> pay the ridiculous maintenance costs required to keep them in good order
> just in *case* we needed them you'd be winging about the waste and how
> that money could be better spent elsewhere.

**You mean like the millions spent keeping a handful of detainees on
foreign soil?

>
> Do you know of any other Western country that had adequate quarantine
> containment facilities to deal with their overseas arrivals?

**Don't know and don't care. I live in Australia. The cost of the
facility would be minimal, compared to the cost of the escaped virus.

>
>> * Relying on one vaccine and ordering back-up vaccines too late.
>
> Bullshit. We ordered Vaccines as soon as we were able to, and the delay
> in getting them to us was a direct result of the manufacturers themselves.

**Wrong:

>
>> * Giving huge chunks of money to companies that weren't suffering
>> under COVID restrictions.
>
> Like who? Hardly Normal? :)

**And many, many others.

>
> History has shown that there have been very few compensation schemes
> issued in the midst of a national crisis that have been means tested,
> and generally because the object of the exercise is to get the money out
> there circulating as quickly as possible. Do you think everyone who got
> a 900 buck "Plasma TV" bonus thanks to little Kevvy was suffering and
> needed it?

**I don't know ANYONE who got a plasma TV from Rudd. I sure didn't. I
know some people who received their stimulus money and spent it on,
well, stimulating the economy. IOW: It did exactly what it was intended
to do.

>
> Most companies stuck their hands out and took the government up on their
> offer, especially when the full effect of the pandemic was yet to be
> realised and they needed a margin of safety. But once they realised they
> weren't as adversely affected as they thought they might be the ones
> with a decent moral compass handed the money back.
>
> Jerry Harvey didn't, despite doing remarkably well during the pandemic,
> and if you want to blame anyone for than then blame that slimey little
> cock sucker.

**No. I blame the guys who failed to organise the system properly.

>
>> * Not trying to claw back the money.
>
> As much as Government is about giving it to you with one hand and taking
> it back with the other, you don't hand out compensation payments and
> *then* take them back if you think the people really didn't need them.

**LOL! Ask the dole recipients who received too much money and were sent
letters of demand. The government went after those poor buggers and left
Harvey alone.

>
>> * Failing to introduce COVID mandates across the nation in a
>> homogeneous manner.
>
> Nonsense.
>
> The Federal Government introduced whatever mandates they had the
> authority to, such as preventing people from entering the country unless
> they've been double vaxed for example. But unfortunately that's largely
> where their authority ends, and this is precisely the trouble.

**And yet - Ruby Princess.

>
> The Federal Government doesn't have the authority to tell State
> Governments what to do with regards to imposing rules and restrictions
> which is why we've seen such disparity all over the country, and
> criticising them for something that they can't legally do is ridiculous.
> In my opinion this needs to change, and to that end I'd be more than
> happy to see State Governments completely abolished.

**Not until we dump the cretins in Canberra right now. At least the
state governments are acting correctly.

>
> However given that that's never likely to happen, I'd settle for the
> Federal Government being granted executive powers during periods of
> national crisis such as during a pandemic whereby uniform national
> restrictions are imposed without State Government interference.
>
> Until that happens blaming the Federal Government for this is ridiculous
> as they have nothing to do with it.

**And once more: The Feds have done some stuff right and a whole lot wrong.

>>
>>   Genuinely curios given
>>> that we have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, one
>>> of the lowest per capita casualty rates, and we've come out the other
>>> side with an economy in excellent shape and unemployment at a record
>>> low.
>>>
>>> What exactly did they fuck up?
>>
>> **See above. We are now saddled with a debt that dwarfs anything you
>> could even imagine Labor has given the nation. I notice that the
>> COALition has gone real quiet on the 'debt and deficit disaster'
>> thing. Why is that?
>
> I don't know Trev, You'd have to ask them. But where do you think the
> country would be right now if they *didn't* introduce the spending
> measures they did over the course of the pandemic?

**I don't actually argue with much of the spending. You'll note that
Labor is very different to the COALition, in that they haven't
criticised most of the spending either. OTOH, the COALition bitched
about 'debt and deficit' disaster, right up until COVID hit.

The COALition are a bunch of hypocrites.

On 17/04/2022 9:00 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 16/4/2022 7:29 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 16/04/2022 12:30 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 16/04/2022 10:42 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 16/04/2022 10:34 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>>> regardless of how bad (or not) the libs have performed, there's no
>>>>> way anyone can know or prove we would be better off now if Labor
>>>>> had been in office
>>>>
>>>> **Of course. However, as my list attests, the COALition has engaged
>>>> is MASSIVE and sustained acts of corruption.
>>>
>>> Massive and sustained acts of corruption?
>>
>> **Yes.
>>
>>>
>>> Wow. That's a pretty serious accusation, which surely you can show to
>>> be true. Can you point to a case that resulted in criminal charges
>>> being laid?
>>>
>>> Any one will do....
>>
>> **After Labor introduces a Federal ICAC,
>
> Judging by how ineffective the state versions of an ICAC have been what
> makes you think that a Federal ICAC will actually be anything other than
> another money wasting exercise?

**Without the NSW ICAC (set up by the NSW state Labor government), Eddie
O'Beid (a state LABOR politician) would be in one of his luxury homes,
ripping off taxpayers and violating the law. Thanks to ICAC, Eddie is in
a jail cell.

ICAC works.

> No politician from any party would want an effective ICAC because they
> are all as bad as each other

**You don't know that.

..
> You are living in fantasy land if you think Labor is any more or less
> corrupt than the Liberals,

**I never claimed that they were. What I have consistently stated is
that the COALition has lied, concealed and generally acted improperly.
They do not deserve to be rewarded for their actions. When your kids
acted badly, did you punish them or reward them?

Why rewards the COALition?

If Labor gets voted in and fails to enact a Federal ICAC, or acts
corruptly, then vote them out. Eventually, the parties will learn that,
if they want to stay in government, then they need to act responsibly.

if you want to see corruption look no further
> than the Victorian Labor Govt despite Vic having an anti corruption agency.

**OK. I gave you a list of corrupt acts by the Scummo government. It's
up to you to do the same with your state government.

On 17/04/2022 10:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

I examined 27 (TWENTY SEVEN) facilities that met
> my standards of care.
**Oops. Should read:

I examined 27 (TWENTY SEVEN) facilities that failed to meet
my standards of care.

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 09:28:55 +1000, Noddy wrote:

> They're all full of shit, and Albanese is just as much of a lying turd
> as the rest of them.
>
> Take the recent "mean girls" fiasco for example. Albanese has in the
> past pointed the finger at other people for bullying behaviour when it
> suited him, but when it happens on *his* side of the fence and allegedly
> results in the *death* of someone he not only refuses to even hold a
> sham enquiry but denies it ever took place to begin with.
>
> Someone actually *died* as a result of the bullshit he allowed to take
> place within his own party, and this is the cunt of a thing than someone
> want as Prime Minister?

lol! Poor old Fraudster!
Honestly Gubbins you'd get cut to bits by a primary school debating team.

In one post you're bleating that, because no charges have been laid,
therefore there is no evidence of any gvt "corruption". Now here you are
squawking that the ALP's "mean girls" bullied a collegue to death,
something that there is absolutely no proof of! In *fact*, it takes a
special kind of Murdochian puppet to make a connection between an
overweight & sedentary middle-aged person having a heart attack and
*alleged* bullying. As well as being an incompetent liar and fraud you are
a moral vacuum.

hth

alvey

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