On 23/8/21 6:46 pm, lindsay wrote:
> The RAAF and RNZAF have taken off again, en-route to Kabul. RNZAF C130
> Hercules ALBO5 has just landed in Kabul, RAAF C-130 Hercules MAMBO30 is
> about 1 hour 30 mins behind. Lots of USAF C-17 Globemasters in the air,
> and on the ground. Been the most busy day at Kabul so far. Just heard on
> 7 news that the US has done some sort of deal to allow more people
> access to the airport.   God speed to all.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/NBNMECD

The US has also activated their "Civil Reserve Air Fleet" which means
that they will be using civilian aircraft and crews to ferry people to
their final destinations from where the military drop them such as Dubai
or Doha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16V7VjRmxBY

--
Daryl

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 18:46:32 +1000, lindsay wrote:

> The RAAF and RNZAF have taken off again, en-route to Kabul. RNZAF C130
> Hercules ALBO5 has just landed in Kabul, RAAF C-130 Hercules MAMBO30 is
> about 1 hour 30 mins behind. Lots of USAF C-17 Globemasters in the air,
> and on the ground. Been the most busy day at Kabul so far. Just heard on
> 7 news that the US has done some sort of deal to allow more people
> access to the airport. God speed to all.
>

If there wasn't a god they wouldn't be fleeing...

alvey
"There`s no religion - you did that
it helps to keep your little leaders fat" Ian Hunter

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 19:38:16 +1000, lindsay wrote:

> On 23/08/2021 7:21 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 18:46:32 +1000, lindsay posted:-
>>
>>> The RAAF and RNZAF have taken off again, en-route to Kabul. RNZAF
>>> C130 Hercules ALBO5 has just landed in Kabul, RAAF C-130 Hercules
>>> MAMBO30 is about 1 hour 30 mins behind. Lots of USAF C-17
>>> Globemasters in the air, and on the ground. Been the most busy day at
>>> Kabul so far. Just heard on 7 news that the US has done some sort of
>>> deal to allow more people access to the airport. God speed to all.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/NBNMECD
>>
>> Why not also post in aus.aviation? People there probably more
>> receptive to this sort of news.
>
> Not a fan of crossposting.... I'm on a new pc, and need to add
> aus.avaition, and several other groups, when i get around to it..
> Most of the sensible people who read aus.avaition would be looking at
> the issue anyway... the wannabe's will make themslves known shortly.
>
> Oh, and RNZAF's "ALBO5" was on the ground at Kabul for maybe 20
> minutes... already 1/3 the way home, wherever that is...

Uganda for some ex-Oz employees according to SBS news. Go ScoMo!

alvey

On 19/08/2021 11:06 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 10:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>
>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>> winning ran
>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>
>>> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)
>>
>> The Americans didn't win WWII.
>
>
> but their contribution was more than significant. they keep Britain
> supplied during the darkest days of the war, despite the Kriegsmarines
> best efforts. they were a big part of the D-Day landings. the battle of
> Coral Sea broke the back of the Imperial Japanese navy, and taking the
> pacific Islands opened the gateway to Japan. and no less importantly the
> USA's massive manufacturing capability meant resupply of equipment
> losses was not a major issue. for example the enormous number of
> Shermans they poured into the war effort.
>
>

I don't disagree with any of that but there were many reasons why the
Germans were defeated in the end. The decisive reason was probably
Hitler himself (a point you made).

>>
>>> Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant fuckwit
>>> if he wanted to be :)
>>>
>>
>
> I don't see what Alvey was trying to say, unless he confused the War of
> Independence with the Civil War
>
>
>> You're not doing so well yourself, fraud.
>
> when does he ever?
>
>

On 19/08/2021 12:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>>
>> 100% pure cop out
>
> You're starting to catch on? :)
>
>>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>>
>>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>>
>> You agreed with him because that's what you do.
>
> Yep. Standard "pack mentality" operating procedure for these mental
> midgets. None of them have the balls for independent thought, and they
> need to hold each other's wieners for emotional support.
>

Projection writ large. The evidence proves otherwise. Your only
non-enemies are those that never disagree, challenge or call you out on
your bullshit or challenge your "authority".

The minute they do they become the enemy.

> As I've said a number of times, they carry on like fucking ten year olds
> in a tree house.
>

An *adult* would strap his own kid into a seat belt that would give him
the best chance of survival in an accident.

You can't even *parent* properly you useless failure of a man.

On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>

according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>
>
> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>
1) do they actually work?
2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?

On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>
>>
>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>>
> 1) do they actually work?

They have all been disabled before abandonment as well as all other
mobile equipment.

> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?

Short answer, no, in terms of the aircraft.

> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?

Again, no. Any planes would need to be transported to another country
where such facilities exist. Such facilities no longer exist in
Afghanistan. Even then, spares to make them serviceable would be
embargoed by the US so, nor repair.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>
>>
>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>>
> 1) do they actually work?
> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?

Getting new parts and having people with the knowledge to maintain them
would be the biggest problem.

--
Daryl

On 2/09/2021 10:52 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we
>>> do!
>>>
>> 1) do they actually work?
>
> They have all been disabled before abandonment

says who?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/taking-black-hawk-on-victory-flight-taliban-parade-plundered-us-hardware/

> as well as all other mobile equipment.

nonsense. they now have whatever the Afghan military had, or most of it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2021/06/30/one-month-700-trucks-afghanistans-us-military-vehicles-fall-into-taliban-hands/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/01/taliban-parade-captured-us-military-equipment-in-kandahar

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58356045

plus they have captured US military equipment.. body armor, M4's, night
vision goggles, etc.,

>
>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>
> Short answer, no, in terms of the aircraft.

yes they do. afghanis trained by the US who are now taliban

>
>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>
> Again, no. Any planes would need to be transported to another country
> where such facilities exist. Such facilities no longer exist in
> Afghanistan.

whatever facilities were there are still there

> Even then, spares to make them serviceable would be embargoed by the
> US so, nor repair.
>

some could be cannibalized for needed parts.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 2/09/2021 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>
>>
>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>>
> 1) do they actually work?

I doubt it, which is probably why the Yanks left them behind. If it was
up to me I would have booby-trapped them :)

> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?

You're kidding, right? I would imagine only a very small percentage of
them can drive. Most of them ride Donkeys.

> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?

The Taliban would struggle to find 4 people amongst it's "fighters" who
can pull the pin on a grenade without killing themselves.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 2/09/2021 12:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we
>>> do!
>>>
>> 1) do they actually work?
>
> I doubt it, which is probably why the Yanks left them behind. If it
> was up to me I would have booby-trapped them :)

that or destroy them with explosives

>
>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?

yes. afghani military trained by the US who converted or are coerced by
threats

>
> You're kidding, right? I would imagine only a very small percentage of
> them can drive. Most of them ride Donkeys.

wrong

>
>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>
> The Taliban would struggle to find 4 people amongst it's "fighters"
> who can pull the pin on a grenade without killing themselves.
>
>
>

the Taliban are a formidable enemy

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 2/9/21 11:27 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>>>
>> 1) do they actually work?
>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>
> Getting new parts and having people with the knowledge to maintain them
> would be the biggest problem.
>
They have been *disabled* before they were abandoned. It might be more
than getting a few new parts depending on how the disablement was
carried out.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 2/9/21 12:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we do!
>>>
>> 1) do they actually work?
>
> I doubt it, which is probably why the Yanks left them behind. If it was
> up to me I would have booby-trapped them :)
>
>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>
> You're kidding, right? I would imagine only a very small percentage of
> them can drive. Most of them ride Donkeys.

You're kidding, right? No one could be *that naive*?
>
>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>
> The Taliban would struggle to find 4 people amongst it's "fighters" who
> can pull the pin on a grenade without killing themselves.

You're not kidding! You *are* that naive! How unsurprising.

A lot of Afghans have way more education than you were ever capable of
achieving! You couldn't even complete year 9 FFS.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 18-Aug-21 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>

Unfortunately, the seeds for this were sown twenty years ago, when
corruption was allowed to take root. There were lessons about that
should have been learned from Vietnam, but which weren't.

Sylvia.

On 2/09/2021 1:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 2/9/21 11:27 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than
>>>> we do!
>>>>
>>> 1) do they actually work?
>>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>>
>> Getting new parts and having people with the knowledge to maintain
>> them would be the biggest problem.
>>
> They have been *disabled* before they were abandoned. It might be more
> than getting a few new parts depending on how the disablement was
> carried out.
>

obviously not all of them since there's videos of at least one flying

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 2/9/21 12:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 10:52 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we
>>>> do!
>>>>
>>> 1) do they actually work?
>>
>> They have all been disabled before abandonment
>
>
> says who?

Says the US.
>
> https://www.timesofisrael.com/taking-black-hawk-on-victory-flight-taliban-parade-plundered-us-hardware/
>
You need to be careful which media sources you watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJmDV1Qkpk0

I keep my media sources very broad spectrum, a necessary thing when
clowns like Murdoch control far too much of western media sources.
>
>
>> as well as all other mobile equipment.
>
>
> nonsense. they now have whatever the Afghan military had, or most of it.

Yes but not the more high tech US stuff. That was stripped of high tech
equipment, then disabled. The Afghan stuff was relatively low tech, even
the Blackhawks they were given were stripped down somewhat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkZRdmkSruo
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2021/06/30/one-month-700-trucks-afghanistans-us-military-vehicles-fall-into-taliban-hands/
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/01/taliban-parade-captured-us-military-equipment-in-kandahar
>
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58356045
>
> plus they have captured US military equipment.. body armor, M4's, night
> vision goggles, etc.,
>
>
>>
>>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>>
>> Short answer, no, in terms of the aircraft.
>
>
> yes they do. afghanis trained by the US who are now taliban
>
You will find that won't be entirely beneficial.
>
>>
>>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>>
>> Again, no. Any planes would need to be transported to another country
>> where such facilities exist. Such facilities no longer exist in
>> Afghanistan.
>
>
> whatever facilities were there are still there
>
All US facilities were stripped and the remainder pretty much destroyed
>
>> Even then, spares to make them serviceable would be embargoed by the
>> US so, nor repair.
>>
>
> some could be cannibalized for needed parts.

That will only take you so far. Some critical parts will not be available.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 2/09/2021 12:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 10:52 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we
>>>> do!
>>>>
>>> 1) do they actually work?
>>
>> They have all been disabled before abandonment
>
>
> says who?
>
> https://www.timesofisrael.com/taking-black-hawk-on-victory-flight-taliban-parade-plundered-us-hardware/
>
>
>
>> as well as all other mobile equipment.
>
>
> nonsense. they now have whatever the Afghan military had, or most of it.
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2021/06/30/one-month-700-trucks-afghanistans-us-military-vehicles-fall-into-taliban-hands/
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/01/taliban-parade-captured-us-military-equipment-in-kandahar
>
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58356045
>
> plus they have captured US military equipment.. body armor, M4's, night
> vision goggles, etc.,

What exactly do you think that they are going to do with this stuff?

>>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>>
>> Short answer, no, in terms of the aircraft.
>
>
> yes they do. afghanis trained by the US who are now taliban

To a certain extent, there won't be any top guns among them, and if they
do start annoying, US drones can certainly take them out any time.

>>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>>
>> Again, no. Any planes would need to be transported to another country
>> where such facilities exist. Such facilities no longer exist in
>> Afghanistan.
>
>
> whatever facilities were there are still there

How many Blackhawk technicians do you think that they have?

>> Even then, spares to make them serviceable would be embargoed by the
>> US so, nor repair.
>>
>
> some could be cannibalized for needed parts.

The Taliban are going to have enough trouble trying to run a country. By
the time that they have that sorted, most of the sophisticated equipment
will have degenerated beyond usefulness.

At the end of the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese inherited the 5th
biggest airforce in the world. What did they do with it? bugger all, and
they were a lot more sophisticated than the Taliban.

On 2/09/2021 12:58 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 12:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 2/09/2021 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than we
>>>> do!
>>>>
>>> 1) do they actually work?
>>
>> I doubt it, which is probably why the Yanks left them behind. If it
>> was up to me I would have booby-trapped them :)
>
>
> that or destroy them with explosives
>
>
>>
>>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>
>
> yes. afghani military trained by the US who converted or are coerced by
> threats
>
>
>>
>> You're kidding, right? I would imagine only a very small percentage of
>> them can drive. Most of them ride Donkeys.
>
>
> wrong
>
>
>>
>>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>>
>> The Taliban would struggle to find 4 people amongst it's "fighters"
>> who can pull the pin on a grenade without killing themselves.
>>
>>
>>
>
> the Taliban are a formidable enemy
>
>
In their own territory, outside there, they'd be useless.

On 2/09/2021 1:15 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 18-Aug-21 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>
>
> Unfortunately, the seeds for this were sown twenty years ago, when
> corruption was allowed to take root. There were lessons about that
> should have been learned from Vietnam, but which weren't.
>
> Sylvia

It goes way back, the yanks supported the Mujahedin because they were
fighting the Russians. Partly because of their stupid belief that "Mine
enemys enemy is my friend" ignoring of course that your enemys enemy may
hate you as much as him, and partly to pay the Russians back for
supporting the North Vietnamese.

That brought Bin Lardin to prominence and we all know how that went.
George Bush went into Afghanistan to root out Bin Lardin and co, did
half a job, riled up the locals and pissed off to invade Iraq, thus
creating ISIS, and starting a civil war in Afghanistan. The Taliban knew
that the yanks would eventually get fed up with the fight and go home,
and voila we have the mess that eventuated.

On 2/9/21 1:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 12:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 2/09/2021 10:52 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than
>>>>> we do!
>>>>>
>>>> 1) do they actually work?
>>>
>>> They have all been disabled before abandonment
>>
>>
>> says who?
>>
>> https://www.timesofisrael.com/taking-black-hawk-on-victory-flight-taliban-parade-plundered-us-hardware/
>>
>>
>>
>>> as well as all other mobile equipment.
>>
>>
>> nonsense. they now have whatever the Afghan military had, or most of it.
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/sebastienroblin/2021/06/30/one-month-700-trucks-afghanistans-us-military-vehicles-fall-into-taliban-hands/
>>
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/01/taliban-parade-captured-us-military-equipment-in-kandahar
>>
>>
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58356045
>>
>> plus they have captured US military equipment.. body armor, M4's,
>> night vision goggles, etc.,
>
> What exactly do you think that they are going to do with this stuff?
>
>>>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>>>
>>> Short answer, no, in terms of the aircraft.
>>
>>
>> yes they do. afghanis trained by the US who are now taliban
>
> To a certain extent, there won't be any top guns among them, and if they
> do start annoying, US drones can certainly take them out any time.
>
>>>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>>>
>>> Again, no. Any planes would need to be transported to another country
>>> where such facilities exist. Such facilities no longer exist in
>>> Afghanistan.
>>
>>
>> whatever facilities were there are still there
>
> How many Blackhawk technicians do you think that they have?
>
>>> Even then, spares to make them serviceable would be embargoed by the
>>> US so, nor repair.
>>>
>>
>> some could be cannibalized for needed parts.
>
> The Taliban are going to have enough trouble trying to run a country. By
> the time that they have that sorted, most of the sophisticated equipment
> will have degenerated beyond usefulness.

They certainly will have. Military equipment isn't like commercial
equipment. What's more, the Taliban are *broke*. They were expecting to
get hold of the Afghanistan central bank's money. Sorry, that's held in
the US and, guess what, they aren't getting it any time soon.
>
> At the end of the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese inherited the 5th
> biggest airforce in the world. What did they do with it? bugger all, and
> they were a lot more sophisticated than the Taliban.

Winning a war is but half the battle, winning the peace will be much
harder. Most of the people who would be useful to the Taliban are
currently in the process of *fleeing* the Taliban.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 2/9/21 1:25 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 1:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 2/9/21 11:27 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 2/9/21 10:30 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 1/09/2021 9:54 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> according to news report the Taliban now has more Blackhawks than
>>>>> we do!
>>>>>
>>>> 1) do they actually work?
>>>> 2) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to use them?
>>>> 3) Do the Taliban have anybody who knows how to maintain them?
>>>
>>> Getting new parts and having people with the knowledge to maintain
>>> them would be the biggest problem.
>>>
>> They have been *disabled* before they were abandoned. It might be more
>> than getting a few new parts depending on how the disablement was
>> carried out.
>>
>
> obviously not all of them since there's videos of at least one flying
>
That might have been one left to the Afghan Airforce. It wouldn't have
been disabled, just stripped of *sensitive equipment*. Personally, I
wonder why the Afghan airforce pilots just didn't take off with the
blackhawk and any other *useful* hardware.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 2/09/2021 2:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 1:15 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 18-Aug-21 2:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, the seeds for this were sown twenty years ago, when
>> corruption was allowed to take root. There were lessons about that
>> should have been learned from Vietnam, but which weren't.
>>
>> Sylvia
>
> It goes way back, the yanks supported the Mujahedin because they were
> fighting the Russians. Partly because of their stupid belief that "Mine
> enemys enemy is my friend" ignoring of course that your enemys enemy may
> hate you as much as him, and partly to pay the Russians back for
> supporting the North Vietnamese.

Which is what it was only ever about.

> That brought Bin Lardin to prominence and we all know how that went.
> George Bush went into Afghanistan to root out Bin Lardin and co, did
> half a job, riled up the locals and pissed off to invade Iraq, thus
> creating ISIS, and starting a civil war in Afghanistan. The Taliban knew
> that the yanks would eventually get fed up with the fight and go home,
> and voila we have the mess that eventuated.

There was never any other option.

It wouldn't have mattered how long the Americans were there or how good
or bad they were, the locals were *always* going to hate them and run
the place how they wanted to whenever they left.

Being there was the ultimate exercise in futility.

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On 2/09/2021 2:00 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 2/09/2021 12:58 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> the Taliban are a formidable enemy

ROTFL :)

> In their own territory, outside there, they'd be useless.

Yep. They're a bunch of single digit IQ fucksticks who's only real
ability is to die for Allah.

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On 2/09/2021 1:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:

> The Taliban are going to have enough trouble trying to run a country. By
> the time that they have that sorted, most of the sophisticated equipment
> will have degenerated beyond usefulness.

That which isn't already.

> At the end of the Vietnam war, the North Vietnamese inherited the 5th
> biggest airforce in the world. What did they do with it? bugger all, and
> they were a lot more sophisticated than the Taliban.

Indeed.

The biggest threat the Taliban posses to anyone is to their own local
population. Outside of that, they're fucking hopeless.

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