On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 09:47:23 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 04:11:19 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Putin has lost nothing,
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>>>> Bullshit. He doesn't even get to visit the west anymore.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>>> My, my. What a loss!
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> Clearly is if he wants to visit his kids.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>> His kids can come to him.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> They aren't actually stupid enough to return to russia.
> >> >>
> >> >> > They are irrelevant, fool.
> >>
> >> >> Bullshit they are to your stupid claim that Putin has lost nothing.
> <reams of your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>
> >> > Putin means Russia, fool.
> >> It is even more stupid to claim that Russia has lost nothing.
> > Russia has expanded by getting Crimea, much of Donbass,
> And has had their economy fucked over by the sanctions.

They have got more land, fool, and more safety.
Sanctions don't mean loss of land, fool.
Putin has got more land including a land route from Crimea to Russia.
He has got the canal water for Crimea, now blocked.
Two new republics, his allies and future part of Russia.
Those are his gains, fool.
Economies become big or small, hardly matters. What matters is land and who owns it.

> > got allies there instead of NATO nukes and tanks pointing at them.
> The still have that in Poland, fuckwit.

But not in Ukraine, creep. Nor Georgie, creep.
Now, fuck off, creep. You make me sick.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >
>> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >
>> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >
>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>
>Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.

Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.

To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.

BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
pocket?
>
>> Two Russians sit on a park bench in Moscow and talk, suddenly one
>> says: "You know, President Putin says that the special military
>> operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and NATO.
>
>Pretty obvious, to any neutral observer; just that NATO is fighting to the last Ukrainian.
>
>> Oh, how's it going?
>> "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals, 530 tanks,
>> 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280 howitzers, 82 salvage
>> pieces, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124 helicopters and 50
>> drones," he said.
>
>If he quotes the Russian side he will say:
>"Those figures are theirs.
>We have also got Crimea, Donbass, got the canal water for Crimea, which was blocked, got the shoreline, destroyed their navy and air force, inflicted substantial damages to their infrastructure.
>We will attain our political objectives.
>Putin is our Lincoln."
>
>> "Oh, wow! And NATO?"
>> "No, they haven't showed up yet."
>
>Not physically, true. NATO gives them arms, aid, information, threatens and sanctions Russia.
>
>> This seems a probable account of the prelude, the attack happened
>> because of America's weak corrupt and un-elected "president".
>
>Too old for the job, yes, but a good representative of the modern US, that is no longer new and fresh.
>Selfishness and greed, their Rand-Reagan legacy, made them old prematurely.
>
>> China is also now flexing muscle, whereas under President Trump would
>> not of happened
>
>I agree. While Trump did arm Ukrainians, I doubt if he would have urged them on to this state. He would have reasoned with Putin and told him that Ukraine would remain neutral.
>He might even have found a solution with Donbass, like redrawing borders, giving Crimea water, etc.
>All this misery would not have happened if he had been in power.
>
>> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
>> --
>> Petzl
>> Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate
>> Joe Biden’s ‘ability to f**k things up’
>>
>> Trump was never running against Biden.
>> He was running against voter fraud.
>> https://youtu.be/U4c5dYDD9xw
>> The Democrats’ First Bill of 2021 Is to Lock In
>> Fraudulent Election Maneuvers and Steal Elections in Perpetuity
>>
>> The left loathes Trump so much it totally blinds them
>> to anything he says, even when what he says
>> could potentially save thousands of lives.
>>
>> Amazing where in America a lifetime of corruption, gutless, lying, thieving,
>> fraud, cheating, Propagandist' and 'Bigot will take you in politics?
>> https://youtu.be/D1j0FS0Z6ho
>> Joe Biden's son, zero track record, for jobs in languages
>> he don't speak thrown out of navy for doing coke,
>> turned in a rental car with crack pipes in it,
>> hid from a process server for getting a girl pregnant
>> to avoid child support.
>> And now he's a high paid artist with no discernible talent.
>>
>> Five days with dad on Chinese trip was paid US$1.5 billion dollars?
>> Corruption by proxy,a new corruption that is difficult to detect
>>
>> Joe Biden had a little boy
>> his nose was white with snow
>> And everywhere Joe Biden went
>> his son was sure to go
>> He followed to Ukraine one day
>> and scored a lot of dough
>> This made Joe Biden worry so
>> he did a quid pro quo : Anon
>>
>> Somewhere out there is a 2-year-old girl whose mother is a stripper,
>> her father is a crackhead and her grandpa is President of the United States
>> . --Fact check THAT.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster - <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote

>>>>> Putin is a worried man
>>>>
>>>> You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is
>>>> afct.
>>>> You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
>>>> assassination.
>>>>
>>>> What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian as
>>>> well
>>>> as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice being
>>>> served
>>>> by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that you are
>>>> incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.
>>>>
>>> Putin is a typical commie. Like you he lies about everything
>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y99qdul2
>>> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by
>>> Russia to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998
>>> appointment as director of the KGB's main successor agency, the
>>> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
>>> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.

>> No such guidlines exist and Putin was never the head of the FSB.

> So you know more than someone who is familiarand worked with the antics
> of the KGB/FSB

Who never said that Putin was ever the head of the FSB.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 03:53:07 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster - <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote
>
>>>>>> Putin is a worried man
>>>>>
>>>>> You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is
>>>>> afct.
>>>>> You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
>>>>> assassination.
>>>>>
>>>>> What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian as
>>>>> well
>>>>> as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice being
>>>>> served
>>>>> by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that you are
>>>>> incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.
>>>>>
>>>> Putin is a typical commie. Like you he lies about everything
>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y99qdul2
>>>> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by
>>>> Russia to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998
>>>> appointment as director of the KGB's main successor agency, the
>>>> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
>>>> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.
>
>>> No such guidlines exist and Putin was never the head of the FSB.
>
>> So you know more than someone who is familiarand worked with the antics
>> of the KGB/FSB
>
>Who never said that Putin was ever the head of the FSB.
>
But it's well known and recorded
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service#Creation_of_the_FSB>
https://tinyurl.com/yaevsram
In 1998 Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin, a KGB veteran who would
later succeed Yeltsin as federal president, as director of the
FSB.[10] Putin was reluctant to take over the directorship, but once
appointed conducted a thorough reorganization, which included the
dismissal of most of the FSB's top personnel.[2] Putin appointed
Nikolai Patrushev as the head of FSB in 1999.[6]
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
https://youtu.be/G79wp6s9JdY

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Ördög
>> Petz
>>> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by
>>> Russia to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998
>>> appointment as director of the KGB's main successor agency, the
>>> Federal Security Service (FSB), ...
>>
>> Putin never held that office!
>>
>>> ...actually violated guidelines stipulating that only a general can
>>> hold this post.
>>
>> Bullshit! There is no such requirement.
>>
> So you know more than someone who is familiar with the antics of the
> KGB/FSB the link you want no one to see making you just another commie
> liar

Anyone who is stupid enough to click on links posted by you can easily do
that by going back in the thread and read your post directly.
I am under NO obligation to repost second hand anything you link to.

Anyhow, more often than not the linked articles you use as justification
for you idiot assertions do not support any of it.
And this is clearly the case here, too!
> Putin is a typical commie.

U L L S H I T!
You still don't know what communism is so there you go...

> Like you he lies about everything

YAWN! I don't lie and you are unable to prove it otherwise.

> businessinsider link SNIP

DOUBLE YAWN! posting it once in the thread is more than enough!

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> They just weren't doing Communism properly,
> Say all of today's Communists?

Would you disagree? On what grounds?
Care to cite which section in Marx's Communist Manifesto or even the
policy platform of Lenin calls for the establishment of an authoritarian
state capitalist personal cult terror state resulting in irresponsible
economical mismanagement and total annihilation of grassroots democracy?
< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCv04f0RXfc >

> "It cannot be overstated,

....that the USSR is no more, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are all dead and the
World including those few communists still around have moved on with their
lives.
Only hard-right conservatives are stuck back in the f...ugly past dreaming
of slave labour, Xtian fundy theocracy, racial purity and the fascist rule
all over the planet.

> Russian Gulag survivor ....

.... and story teller A.Solzhenitsyn had obviously an axe to grind, and I
am not criticising him for that. But he was never a historian by any
scholarly sense of that word.
Of course you, Petz dear have been told that by a number of poster beside
me dozens of times but to no avail. You insist on spewing your goon-bag
fumes idiocy into Usenet.

But put the credit where the credit is due for this gem of a hatemonger
crap:
'A.Solzhenitsyn' according to David Duke, ex Grand Wizard of KKK,
revisonist, Antisemite and neo_Nazi creep.

~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster - <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote

>>>>>>> Putin is a worried man
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is
>>>>>> afct.
>>>>>> You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
>>>>>> assassination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian as
>>>>>> well
>>>>>> as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice being
>>>>>> served
>>>>>> by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Putin is a typical commie. Like you he lies about everything
>>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y99qdul2
>>>>> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by
>>>>> Russia to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998
>>>>> appointment as director of the KGB's main successor agency, the
>>>>> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
>>>>> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.
>>
>>>> No such guidlines exist and Putin was never the head of the FSB.
>>
>>> So you know more than someone who is familiarand worked with the antics
>>> of the KGB/FSB
>>
>> Who never said that Putin was ever the head of the FSB.

> But it's well known and recorded

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service#Creation_of_the_FSB>
> https://tinyurl.com/yaevsram
> In 1998 Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin, a KGB veteran who would
> later succeed Yeltsin as federal president, as director of the
> FSB.[10] Putin was reluctant to take over the directorship, but once
> appointed conducted a thorough reorganization, which included the
> dismissal of most of the FSB's top personnel.[2] Putin appointed
> Nikolai Patrushev as the head of FSB in 1999.[6]

So you mindless shit that he must have been a general is just plain wrong,
as always.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 10:00:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:
snip
>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>
>>Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>>NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>>Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>
> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>
> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
>of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>
Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for years)

Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS

>BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>pocket?
--
Petzl
Australian's continue to vote for and believe slogans?

"My first act as Prime Minister will be to raise the speed limit, lower the
fines, cancel the tolls. ban any future virus lock downs.
Thank you " Anthony Albanese

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:31:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster - <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote
>
>>>>>>>> Putin is a worried man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is
>>>>>>> afct.
>>>>>>> You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
>>>>>>> assassination.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian as
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice being
>>>>>>> served
>>>>>>> by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that you
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Putin is a typical commie. Like you he lies about everything
>>>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y99qdul2
>>>>>> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by
>>>>>> Russia to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998
>>>>>> appointment as director of the KGB's main successor agency, the
>>>>>> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
>>>>>> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.
>>>
>>>>> No such guidlines exist and Putin was never the head of the FSB.
>>>
>>>> So you know more than someone who is familiarand worked with the antics
>>>> of the KGB/FSB
>>>
>>> Who never said that Putin was ever the head of the FSB.
>
>> But it's well known and recorded
>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service#Creation_of_the_FSB>
>> https://tinyurl.com/yaevsram
>> In 1998 Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin, a KGB veteran who would
>> later succeed Yeltsin as federal president, as director of the
>> FSB.[10] Putin was reluctant to take over the directorship, but once
>> appointed conducted a thorough reorganization, which included the
>> dismissal of most of the FSB's top personnel.[2] Putin appointed
>> Nikolai Patrushev as the head of FSB in 1999.[6]
>
>So you mindless shit that he must have been a general is just plain wrong,
>as always.
>
Not according to a expert "Oleg Kalugin, a former high-ranking KGB
officer"
Putin's been lying about what his rank really was within the KGB!
Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
stipulating that only a general can hold this post.
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
https://youtu.be/G79wp6s9JdY

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 23:27:43 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

>> So you know more than someone who is familiar with the antics of the
>> KGB/FSB the link you want no one to see making you just another commie
>> liar
>
>Anyone who is stupid enough to click on links posted by you can easily do
>that by going back in the thread and read your post directly.
>
Expert "Oleg Kalugin, a former high-ranking KGB
officer"
Putin's been lying about what his rank really was within the KGB!
Federal Security Service (FSB), actually "violated" guidelines
stipulating that only a general can hold this post.
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
https://youtu.be/G79wp6s9JdY

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:36:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 10:00:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>snip
>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>
>>>Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>>>NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>
>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>
>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
>>of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>
>Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for years)

That is sad.
>
>Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>
>>BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>pocket?

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 17:15:37 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:36:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 10:00:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>snip
>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>>>>NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>
>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>
>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
>>>of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>
>>Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for years)
>
> That is sad.
>
Putin has always been a bullying thug.
His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and murdered
those who had legitimate claim to them.
<https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
After revelations of Russian president’s links to former chancellor
Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
influential German businessman

Bidens crime gang no different
<https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal: Over 150 'concerning' bank
transactions
>>
>>Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>
>>>BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>pocket?
--
Petzl
15 - The number of FBI agents sent to investigate Bubba Wallace's garage door handle
25 - The number of FBI agents sent to arrest Roger Stone while sleeping in his pajamas
0 - The number of FBI agents sent to see Joe or Hunter Biden after given a laptop showing Quid Pro Quo.

The wheels are coming off.

Trump's inspired massive MAGA tsunami turnout forced them to cheat so big they lost their minds in a fraud frenzy.

Their Unconstitutional legal moves alone are dooming them.

"I caught the swamp. I caught them all" -- DJT

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Ördög
>>
>>Anyone who is stupid enough to click on links posted by you can easily
>>do that by going back in the thread and read your post directly.
>>
> Expert "Oleg Kalugin, a former high-ranking KGB officer"
> Putin's been lying about what his rank really was within the KGB!

YAWN! Cry me a river. I just don't give a shit.
I live in the present not in the past. I do have problems with what Putin
is doing to Russia and Ukraine...harping about what was Putin's role
during the USSR in the state security and intelligence apparatus helps no
one today.

You are getting desperate trying to find confirmations for your own
idiotic pet hate theories and assumptions:

You hate communists and communism (although have no fucking idea about
what communism is).
Putin is not a nice chap, that is no secret to anyone on the planet who
does not hid him/herself in a cave for decades on end. So you are trying
to present your case to this newsgroup suggesting that Putin is so
horrible because he must be a communist...and to make that plausible you
start to dig into the past with innuendos, anecdotes and drivel by some
self appointed "experts" circulated wisdom on the subject. What's worse,
you have transferred your anti communist phobia on the Russian nation
looking forward seeing them nuked by the USA/NATO just to satisfy your
personal hate and love for seeing a nice bloodbath on your hate objects.
You are fucking disgusting, Petz dear.
> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually "violated" guidelines
> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.

And I, or anyone should care about that today..why?
Does this make any fucking difference to the ugly war in Ukraine? Does
this change the status of his strongman-authoritarianism and hard
capitalist rule over the Russian people? Sane people realise that
certainly NOT!

STOP posting fucking irrelevant nonsense on this subject!

Oh, and by the way, just to reflect on the original subject of this long
thread:
Whatever nastiness Putin and his regime in Russia is guilty of, that
absolutely does not excuse similar behaviour (albeit often more covert
than overt) on the part of warmongering US neocons and imperialists.

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> They just weren't doing Communism properly,
> Say all of today's Communists?

Would you disagree? On what grounds?
Care to cite which section in Marx's Communist Manifesto or even the
policy platform of Lenin calls for the establishment of an authoritarian
state capitalist personal cult terror state resulting in irresponsible
economical mismanagement and total annihilation of grassroots democracy? <
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCv04f0RXfc >

> "It cannot be overstated,

....that the USSR is no more, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are all dead and the
World including those few communists still around have moved on with their
lives.
Only hard-right conservatives are stuck back in the f...ugly past dreaming
of slave labour, Xtian fundy theocracy, racial purity and the fascist rule
all over the planet.

> Russian Gulag survivor ....

.... and story teller A.Solzhenitsyn had obviously an axe to grind, and I
am not criticising him for that. But he was never a historian by any
scholarly sense of that word.
Of course you, Petz dear have been told that by a number of poster beside
me dozens of times but to no avail. You insist on spewing your goon-bag
fumes idiocy into Usenet.

But put the credit where the credit is due for this gem of a hatemonger
crap:
'A.Solzhenitsyn' according to David Duke, ex Grand Wizard of KKK,
revisonist, Antisemite and neo_Nazi creep.

~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:44:45 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:31:51 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster - <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>> Putin is a worried man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is
>>>>>>>> afct.
>>>>>>>> You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
>>>>>>>> assassination.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>> as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>> served
>>>>>>>> by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that you
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Putin is a typical commie. Like you he lies about everything
>>>>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y99qdul2
>>>>>>> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by
>>>>>>> Russia to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998
>>>>>>> appointment as director of the KGB's main successor agency, the
>>>>>>> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
>>>>>>> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.
>>>>
>>>>>> No such guidlines exist and Putin was never the head of the FSB.
>>>>
>>>>> So you know more than someone who is familiarand worked with the
>>>>> antics
>>>>> of the KGB/FSB
>>>>
>>>> Who never said that Putin was ever the head of the FSB.
>>
>>> But it's well known and recorded
>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Security_Service#Creation_of_the_FSB>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/yaevsram
>>> In 1998 Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin, a KGB veteran who would
>>> later succeed Yeltsin as federal president, as director of the
>>> FSB.[10] Putin was reluctant to take over the directorship, but once
>>> appointed conducted a thorough reorganization, which included the
>>> dismissal of most of the FSB's top personnel.[2] Putin appointed
>>> Nikolai Patrushev as the head of FSB in 1999.[6]
>>
>> So you mindless shit that he must have been a general is just plain
>> wrong,
>> as always.

> Not according to a expert "Oleg Kalugin, a former high-ranking KGB
> officer"

He has no way of knowing, the has scuttled off to the USA years before
that.

> Putin's been lying about what his rank really was within the KGB!

Nope, Kalugin has said he was only ever a Major,
because Putin chose to leave the KGB before he
would have automatically become a leftenant colonel.

> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.

Yeltsin never bothered with guidelines, stupid.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:48:57 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 23:27:43 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
> <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:
>
>>> So you know more than someone who is familiar with the antics of the
>>> KGB/FSB the link you want no one to see making you just another commie
>>> liar
>>
>> Anyone who is stupid enough to click on links posted by you can easily
>> do
>> that by going back in the thread and read your post directly.

> Expert "Oleg Kalugin, a former high-ranking KGB officer"

Until they worked out that he was a double agent.

> Putin's been lying about what his rank really was within the KGB!

Kalugan makes it clear that he did not.

> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually "violated" guidelines
> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.

So Putin was never a general even in the FSB.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 10:30:47 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 17:15:37 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:36:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 10:00:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> snip
>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>> case.
>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>
>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>
>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>
>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for years)
>>
>> That is sad.
>>
> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and murdered
> those who had legitimate claim to them.
> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former chancellor
> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
> influential German businessman
>
> Bidens crime gang no different

Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.

> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun

Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...

> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning' bank
> transactions

Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president anyway.

>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>
>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>> pocket?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corella_(bird)

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:11:24 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 10:30:47 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 17:15:37 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:36:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 10:00:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>>> case.
>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>
>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>
>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for years)
>>>
>>> That is sad.
>>>
>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and murdered
>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former chancellor
>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
>> influential German businessman
>>
>> Bidens crime gang no different
>
>Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.
>
The murder by those who are part of the Biden democrats seem to have a
lot of unsolved murders, suicides, deaths?
Just one
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich>
>
>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>
>Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>
Actually has links to CBS/Fox news concluding the same
>
>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning' bank
>> transactions
>
>Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president anyway.
>
unelected except by fraud voting
>
>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>
>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>> pocket?
--
Petzl
15 - The number of FBI agents sent to investigate Bubba Wallace's garage door handle
25 - The number of FBI agents sent to arrest Roger Stone while sleeping in his pajamas
0 - The number of FBI agents sent to see Joe or Hunter Biden after given a laptop showing Quid Pro Quo.

The wheels are coming off.

Trump's inspired massive MAGA tsunami turnout forced them to cheat so big they lost their minds in a fraud frenzy.

Their Unconstitutional legal moves alone are dooming them.

"I caught the swamp. I caught them all" -- DJT

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for years)
>>>>
>>>> That is sad.
>>>>
>>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and murdered
>>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
>>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former chancellor
>>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
>>> influential German businessman
>>>
>>> Bidens crime gang no different

>> Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.

> The murder by those who are part of the Biden democratsseem to have a
> lot of unsolved murders, suicides, deaths?

Not one of those ordered by Biden.

> Just one
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich>

No reason for Biden to have had that one murdered.

>>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/

>>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun

>> Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...

> Actually has links to CBS/Fox news concluding the same

Just because some fool journo respouts some fool trumpet...

>>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning' bank
>>> transactions

>> Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president anyway.

> unelected except by fraud voting

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.

>>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>>> pocket?

FFS floggin a dead horse/ only 1% of 16+ are unvaccinated, and only 2
states still have vaccine mandates.

On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >
> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >
> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >
> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >
> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >
> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>
> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.

Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>
> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.

Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
They are religious nationalists.
Quite the opposite of Marxism.

> BTW, did you see that picture
> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.

He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>
> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
> pocket?

Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
> >
> >> Two Russians sit on a park bench in Moscow and talk, suddenly one
> >> says: "You know, President Putin says that the special military
> >> operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and NATO.
> >
> >Pretty obvious, to any neutral observer; just that NATO is fighting to the last Ukrainian.
> >
> >> Oh, how's it going?
> >> "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals, 530 tanks,
> >> 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280 howitzers, 82 salvage
> >> pieces, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124 helicopters and 50
> >> drones," he said.
> >
> >If he quotes the Russian side he will say:
> >"Those figures are theirs.
> >We have also got Crimea, Donbass, got the canal water for Crimea, which was blocked, got the shoreline, destroyed their navy and air force, inflicted substantial damages to their infrastructure.
> >We will attain our political objectives.
> >Putin is our Lincoln."
> >
> >> "Oh, wow! And NATO?"
> >> "No, they haven't showed up yet."
> >
> >Not physically, true. NATO gives them arms, aid, information, threatens and sanctions Russia.
> >
> >> This seems a probable account of the prelude, the attack happened
> >> because of America's weak corrupt and un-elected "president".
> >
> >Too old for the job, yes, but a good representative of the modern US, that is no longer new and fresh.
> >Selfishness and greed, their Rand-Reagan legacy, made them old prematurely.
> >
> >> China is also now flexing muscle, whereas under President Trump would
> >> not of happened
> >
> >I agree. While Trump did arm Ukrainians, I doubt if he would have urged them on to this state. He would have reasoned with Putin and told him that Ukraine would remain neutral.
> >He might even have found a solution with Donbass, like redrawing borders, giving Crimea water, etc.
> >All this misery would not have happened if he had been in power.
> >
> >> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
> >> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
> >> --
> >> Petzl
> >> Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate
> >> Joe Biden’s ‘ability to f**k things up’
> >>
> >> Trump was never running against Biden.
> >> He was running against voter fraud.
> >> https://youtu.be/U4c5dYDD9xw
> >> The Democrats’ First Bill of 2021 Is to Lock In
> >> Fraudulent Election Maneuvers and Steal Elections in Perpetuity
> >>
> >> The left loathes Trump so much it totally blinds them
> >> to anything he says, even when what he says
> >> could potentially save thousands of lives.
> >>
> >> Amazing where in America a lifetime of corruption, gutless, lying, thieving,
> >> fraud, cheating, Propagandist' and 'Bigot will take you in politics?
> >> https://youtu.be/D1j0FS0Z6ho
> >> Joe Biden's son, zero track record, for jobs in languages
> >> he don't speak thrown out of navy for doing coke,
> >> turned in a rental car with crack pipes in it,
> >> hid from a process server for getting a girl pregnant
> >> to avoid child support.
> >> And now he's a high paid artist with no discernible talent.
> >>
> >> Five days with dad on Chinese trip was paid US$1.5 billion dollars?
> >> Corruption by proxy,a new corruption that is difficult to detect
> >>
> >> Joe Biden had a little boy
> >> his nose was white with snow
> >> And everywhere Joe Biden went
> >> his son was sure to go
> >> He followed to Ukraine one day
> >> and scored a lot of dough
> >> This made Joe Biden worry so
> >> he did a quid pro quo : Anon
> >>
> >> Somewhere out there is a 2-year-old girl whose mother is a stripper,
> >> her father is a crackhead and her grandpa is President of the United States
> >> . --Fact check THAT.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >
>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >
>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >
>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>
>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>
>Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
>But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.

Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
century with his attacks on civilians.
>>
>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>
>Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>They are religious nationalists.

I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.

>Quite the opposite of Marxism.

Not in ethics.
>
> > BTW, did you see that picture
>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>
>He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.

He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>
>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> pocket?
>
>Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.

Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>> >

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Mattb wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> petzl wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote

>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >
>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >
>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >
>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>> earlier by Putin.
>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>
>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.

> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.

The Ukrainians have in fact killed more russian troops in
just 6 weeks than the Afghans killed in a whole decade.

> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
> Japan.

That is mindless bullshit too with the deliberate wiping
out of the theater full of refugees in maripole and the
most recent rocket attack on the railway station.

> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.

>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.

> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
> They are religious nationalists.

Nope, arsehole invaders.

> Quite the opposite of Marxism.

> > BTW, did you see that picture
>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.

> He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.

>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> pocket?

> Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
> When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.

>> >> Two Russians sit on a park bench in Moscow and talk, suddenly one
>> >> says: "You know, President Putin says that the special military
>> >> operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and NATO.
>> >
>> >Pretty obvious, to any neutral observer; just that NATO is fighting to
>> the last Ukrainian.
>> >
>> >> Oh, how's it going?
>> >> "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals, 530 tanks,
>> >> 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280 howitzers, 82
>> salvage
>> >> pieces, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124 helicopters and
>> 50
>> >> drones," he said.
>> >
>> >If he quotes the Russian side he will say:
>> >"Those figures are theirs.
>> >We have also got Crimea, Donbass, got the canal water for Crimea,
>> which was blocked, got the shoreline, destroyed their navy and air
>> force, inflicted substantial damages to their infrastructure.
>> >We will attain our political objectives.
>> >Putin is our Lincoln."
>> >
>> >> "Oh, wow! And NATO?"
>> >> "No, they haven't showed up yet."
>> >
>> >Not physically, true. NATO gives them arms, aid, information,
>> threatens and sanctions Russia.
>> >
>> >> This seems a probable account of the prelude, the attack happened
>> >> because of America's weak corrupt and un-elected "president".
>> >
>> >Too old for the job, yes, but a good representative of the modern US,
>> that is no longer new and fresh.
>> >Selfishness and greed, their Rand-Reagan legacy, made them old
>> prematurely.
>> >
>> >> China is also now flexing muscle, whereas under President Trump would
>> >> not of happened
>> >
>> >I agree. While Trump did arm Ukrainians, I doubt if he would have
>> urged them on to this state. He would have reasoned with Putin and told
>> him that Ukraine would remain neutral.
>> >He might even have found a solution with Donbass, like redrawing
>> borders, giving Crimea water, etc.
>> >All this misery would not have happened if he had been in power.
>> >
>> >>
>> <https://richardsonpost.com/worm/26039/the-us-is-culpable-in-todays-ukraine-crisis/?fbclid=IwAR037nMRm1t7fyf9KMZd-J_uojCKFSJFF8-xr3Tg4k8gvRQOi3KwKTQrC8I>
>> >> https://tinyurl.com/y8gvpvxv
>> >> --
>> >> Petzl
>> >> Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate
>> >> Joe Biden’s ‘ability to f**k things up’
>> >>
>> >> Trump was never running against Biden.
>> >> He was running against voter fraud.
>> >> https://youtu.be/U4c5dYDD9xw
>> >> The Democrats’ First Bill of 2021 Is to Lock In
>> >> Fraudulent Election Maneuvers and Steal Elections in Perpetuity
>> >>
>> >> The left loathes Trump so much it totally blinds them
>> >> to anything he says, even when what he says
>> >> could potentially save thousands of lives.
>> >>
>> >> Amazing where in America a lifetime of corruption, gutless, lying,
>> thieving,
>> >> fraud, cheating, Propagandist' and 'Bigot will take you in politics?
>> >> https://youtu.be/D1j0FS0Z6ho
>> >> Joe Biden's son, zero track record, for jobs in languages
>> >> he don't speak thrown out of navy for doing coke,
>> >> turned in a rental car with crack pipes in it,
>> >> hid from a process server for getting a girl pregnant
>> >> to avoid child support.
>> >> And now he's a high paid artist with no discernible talent.
>> >>
>> >> Five days with dad on Chinese trip was paid US$1.5 billion dollars?
>> >> Corruption by proxy,a new corruption that is difficult to detect
>> >>
>> >> Joe Biden had a little boy
>> >> his nose was white with snow
>> >> And everywhere Joe Biden went
>> >> his son was sure to go
>> >> He followed to Ukraine one day
>> >> and scored a lot of dough
>> >> This made Joe Biden worry so
>> >> he did a quid pro quo : Anon
>> >>
>> >> Somewhere out there is a 2-year-old girl whose mother is a stripper,
>> >> her father is a crackhead and her grandpa is President of the United
>> States
>> >> . --Fact check THAT.

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:40:04 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>> >> >
>>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>> >
>>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>> case.
>>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>> earlier by Putin.
>>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>
>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>
>> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>> Japan.
>> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.

> Russia is a nation of pussies

Bullshit.

> and Putin is the next Hitler of this century

Nope, he won't be that stupid, you watch.

> with his attacks on civilians.

Yep.

>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.

>> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> They are religious nationalists.

> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.

More of your mindless bullshit.

>> Quite the opposite of Marxism.

> Not in ethics.

>> > BTW, did you see that picture
>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.

>> He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.

> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.

>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>> pocket?
>>
>> Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.

> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.

On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >
> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >>
> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
> >
> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
> century with his attacks on civilians.
> >>
> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
> >
> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
> >They are religious nationalists.
> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.

No. I don't think so.
They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911 explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil. Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.

> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
> Not in ethics.

In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and divorces are the natural outcomes.
Marxism is the least ethical, true.
Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics. Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
They are not Indian yet!
> >
> > > BTW, did you see that picture
> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
> >
> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
> >>
> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
> >> pocket?
> >
> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.

Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his hotels.
Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over - totally - quite recently.
My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and what more can one expect from any potus?

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee
> >> >

On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >
> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >>
> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
> >
> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
> century with his attacks on civilians.

Russia lost 20 million in the WW2 and if there is a WW3 with nukes, which is what Zelensky is asking for, they may lose 30-40 million.
Putin is attacking Ukraine to prevent that catastrophe.
The fool Zelensky has asked civilians to fight the Russians. Throw Molotov cocktails. He is fighting behind the civilians, so Putin says.
Obviously civilians will get killed in such strategies. They should be evacuated.
Sad, but rather you than I, is what Putin may say. Very american, what?
> >>
> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
> >
> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
> >They are religious nationalists.
> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
> Not in ethics.
> >
> > > BTW, did you see that picture
> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
> >
> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
> >>
> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
> >> pocket?
> >
> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
> >> >