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Re: USA to blame

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 by: Petzl - Sun, 10 Apr 2022 10:57 UTC

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:36:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb wrote
>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> petzl wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>> >> >
>>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>> >
>>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>> earlier by Putin.
>>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>
>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>
>> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>
>The Ukrainians have in fact killed more russian troops in
>just 6 weeks than the Afghans killed in a whole decade.
>
>> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>> Japan.
>
>That is mindless bullshit too with the deliberate wiping
>out of the theater full of refugees in maripole and the
>most recent rocket attack on the railway station.
>
>> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>
>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>
>> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> They are religious nationalists.
>
>Nope, arsehole invaders.
>
Just a land grab by tyrant Putin.
Ukraine's only export products are agriculture.
--
Petzl
We know the Dumb3 are lying,
they know they are lying,
they know we know they are lying,
we know they know we know they are lying,
but they are still lying. Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn

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 by: Rod Speed - Sun, 10 Apr 2022 17:44 UTC

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb wrote
>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> petzl wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>> >
>>>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>> case.
>>>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>
>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>
>>> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>
>> The Ukrainians have in fact killed more russian troops in
>> just 6 weeks than the Afghans killed in a whole decade.
>>
>>> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>> Japan.
>>
>> That is mindless bullshit too with the deliberate wiping
>> out of the theater full of refugees in maripole and the
>> most recent rocket attack on the railway station.
>>
>>> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>
>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>
>>> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>> They are religious nationalists.
>>
>> Nope, arsehole invaders.
>>
> Just a land grab by tyrant Putin.

Yes.

> Ukraine's only export products are agriculture.

That's not true, they also export some tech, like Antonov aircraft and
military hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine

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 by: Mattb - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 03:31 UTC

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:11:24 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 10:30:47 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 17:15:37 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:36:44 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 10:00:29 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>>> case.
>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>
>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>
>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for years)
>>>
>>> That is sad.
>>>
>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and murdered
>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former chancellor
>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
>> influential German businessman
>>
>> Bidens crime gang no different
>
>Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.

Are you sure?
>
>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>
>Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>
>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning' bank
>> transactions
>
>Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president anyway.
>
>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>
>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>> pocket?

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 by: Mattb - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 03:33 UTC

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >>
>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> >
>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>
>Russia lost 20 million in the WW2 and if there is a WW3 with nukes, which is what Zelensky is asking for, they may lose 30-40 million.
>Putin is attacking Ukraine to prevent that catastrophe.
>The fool Zelensky has asked civilians to fight the Russians. Throw Molotov cocktails. He is fighting behind the civilians, so Putin says.
>Obviously civilians will get killed in such strategies. They should be evacuated.
>Sad, but rather you than I, is what Putin may say. Very american, what?

Putin is a freak, a very ugly freak, his policies that he is
showing now, show he is much like Hitler and the Nazis.

If he dies tomorrow the world will be a better place.

>> >>
>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>> >
>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> >They are religious nationalists.
>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>> Not in ethics.
>> >
>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>> >
>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>> >>
>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> >> pocket?
>> >
>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>> >> >

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 by: Mattb - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 03:36 UTC

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >>
>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> >
>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>> >>
>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>> >
>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> >They are religious nationalists.
>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>
>No. I don't think so.

Yes it is. Evil is at its core.

>They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
>That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911 explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil. Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.

They are evil and should be destroyed.
>
>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>> Not in ethics.
>
>In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and divorces are the natural outcomes.
>Marxism is the least ethical, true.

Nope.

>Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics. Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>They are not Indian yet!
>> >
>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>> >
>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>> >>
>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> >> pocket?
>> >
>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>
>Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his hotels.
>Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over - totally - quite recently.
>My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and what more can one expect from any potus?

Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>
>Cheers,
>Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >

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 by: Mattb - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 03:38 UTC

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:39:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:40:04 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>> >
>>>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>> case.
>>>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>
>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>
>>> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>> Japan.
>>> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>
>> Russia is a nation of pussies
>
>Bullshit.

Yes they are. Its military is second rate if it wasn't for the
nukes they would be a joke.
>
>> and Putin is the next Hitler of this century
>
>Nope, he won't be that stupid, you watch.

His actions on limiting free press and bombing that train station
show he is evil to the core.
>
>> with his attacks on civilians.
>
>Yep.
>
>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>
>>> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>> They are religious nationalists.
>
>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>
>More of your mindless bullshit.

That Church needs to be destroyed.
>
>>> Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>
>> Not in ethics.
>
>>> > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>
>>> He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>
>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>
>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>> pocket?
>>>
>>> Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>> When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>
>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 04:39 UTC

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for years)
>>>>
>>>> That is sad.
>>>>
>>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and murdered
>>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
>>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former chancellor
>>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
>>> influential German businessman
>>>
>>> Bidens crime gang no different
>>
>> Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.

> Are you sure?

Yep, if he had done, it would have been all over the news, just like
Putin's was.

As Obama admitted, Biden fucks up everything he is ever involved in.

>>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>>
>> Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>>
>>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning' bank
>>> transactions
>>
>> Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president anyway.
>>
>>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>>> pocket?

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 04:41 UTC

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>>> was
>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>> case.
>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>> >
>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>> Japan.
>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>
>> Russia lost 20 million in the WW2 and if there is a WW3 with nukes,
>> which is what Zelensky is asking for, they may lose 30-40 million.
>> Putin is attacking Ukraine to prevent that catastrophe.
>> The fool Zelensky has asked civilians to fight the Russians. Throw
>> Molotov cocktails. He is fighting behind the civilians, so Putin says.
>> Obviously civilians will get killed in such strategies. They should be
>> evacuated.
>> Sad, but rather you than I, is what Putin may say. Very american, what?
>
>
> Putin is a freak, a very ugly freak, his policies that he is
> showing now, show he is much like Hitler and the Nazis.

No more so than Stalin.

> If he dies tomorrow the world will be a better place.

That depends on who replaces him.

>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>> >
>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>> Not in ethics.
>>> >
>>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>> >
>>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>> >>
>>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>> >> pocket?
>>> >
>>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>> >> >

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 04:46 UTC

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>>> was
>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>> case.
>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>> >
>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>> Japan.
>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>> >>
>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>> >
>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>
>> No. I don't think so.

> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.

Bullshit. The most they did is self preservation.

>> They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
>> That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy
>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>> As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>> In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.

> They are evil and should be destroyed.

Not even possible.

>>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>> Not in ethics.
>>
>> In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it
>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics
>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>> Marxism is the least ethical, true.

> Nope.

>> Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based
>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>> They are not Indian yet!
>>> >
>>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>> >
>>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>> Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>> >>
>>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>> >> pocket?
>>> >
>>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>
>> Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>> I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his
>> hotels.
>> Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>> totally - quite recently.
>> My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>> Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and
>> what more can one expect from any potus?

> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war

Only fools are actually stupid enough to believe that he is actually
stupid enough to do it.

> and he is one sick bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill
> Putin off.

Rather unlikely that Putin is actually stupid enough to allow that to
happen.

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Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:39:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:40:04 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>> case.
>>>>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>
>>>> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>>> Japan.
>>>> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>
>>> Russia is a nation of pussies
>>
>> Bullshit.
>
> Yes they are. Its military is second rate if it wasn't for the
> nukes they would be a joke.

How odd that they did so well at Stalingrad, before
you buggers had even showed up in europe.

>>> and Putin is the next Hitler of this century

>> Nope, he won't be that stupid, you watch.

> His actions on limiting free press and bombing that train station
> show he is evil to the core.

Separate matter entirely to whether he is the next Hitler of this century.

He isnt even a ruthless as Stalin.

>>> with his attacks on civilians.
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>
>>>> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>> They are religious nationalists.
>>
>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>
>> More of your mindless bullshit.

> That Church needs to be destroyed.

Not even possible. Even Stalin couldn't manage that.

That's the problem with you stupid god botherers,
even a full holocaust can't get rid of you all.

>>>> Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>
>>> Not in ethics.
>>
>>>> > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>
>>>> He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>
>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>
>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>> pocket?
>>>>
>>>> Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>> When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>
>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 20:38:58 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:39:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:40:04 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>> case.
>>>>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>
>>>> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>>> Japan.
>>>> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>
>>> Russia is a nation of pussies
>>
>>Bullshit.
>
> Yes they are. Its military is second rate if it wasn't for the
>nukes they would be a joke.
>>
Even Russian nukes a russian bluster.
>
>>> and Putin is the next Hitler of this century
>>
>>Nope, he won't be that stupid, you watch.
>
> His actions on limiting free press and bombing that train station
>show he is evil to the core.
>>
Putin always has been
>
>>> with his attacks on civilians.
>>
>>Yep.
>>
>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>
>>>> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>> They are religious nationalists.
>>
>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>
>>More of your mindless bullshit.
>
> That Church needs to be destroyed.
>>
>>>> Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>
>>> Not in ethics.
>>
>>>> > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>
>>>> He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>
>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>
>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>> pocket?
>>>>
>>>> Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>> When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>
>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
--
Petzl
If a nation valves anything more than freedom,
it will lose its freedom, and the irony of it is
that if it is comfort or money that it valves more,
it will lose that too.
W. Somerset Mavgham, English writer

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On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
> >> >
> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
> >> >>
> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
> >> >They are religious nationalists.
> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
> >
> >No. I don't think so.
> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.

I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.

> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911 explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil. Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
> They are evil and should be destroyed.

You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far. Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
> >> Not in ethics.
> >
> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and divorces are the natural outcomes.
> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
> Nope.

They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite fast
Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith such as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.

> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics. Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
> >They are not Indian yet!
> >> >
> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
> >> >
> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
> >> >>
> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
> >> >> pocket?
> >> >
> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
> >
> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his hotels.
> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over - totally - quite recently.
> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and what more can one expect from any potus?

> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.

I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get nukes. Chances of WW3 is now less.
It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens will not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse viruses that could be set loose.
Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed by my experience while touring Russia.
Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >

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On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 19:20:24 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> > >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> > >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> > >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> > >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> > >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> > >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> > >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> > >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
> > >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
> > >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
> > >> >
> > >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
> > >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
> > >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
> > >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
> > >> century with his attacks on civilians.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
> > >> >
> > >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
> > >> >They are religious nationalists.
> > >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
> > >
> > >No. I don't think so.
> > Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.
> > >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
> > >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
> > >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911 explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
> > >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil. Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
> > They are evil and should be destroyed.
> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far. Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
> > >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
> > >> Not in ethics.
> > >
> > >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and divorces are the natural outcomes.
> > >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
> > Nope.
> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite fast
> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith such as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
> > >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics. Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
> > >They are not Indian yet!
> > >> >
> > >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
> > >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
> > >> >
> > >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
> > >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
> > >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
> > >> >> pocket?
> > >> >
> > >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
> > >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
> > >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
> > >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
> > >
> > >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
> > >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his hotels.
> > >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over - totally - quite recently.
> > >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
> > >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and what more can one expect from any potus?
>
> > Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
> > bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get nukes. Chances of WW3 is now less.
> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens will not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse viruses that could be set loose.
> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed by my experience while touring Russia.
> Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
> Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
> Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods

oops, should be devils, not gods!
But why should they?
The Washington Swamp Monsters and the Deep State Devils must be totally overjoyed with Putin.
The war is making their huge wallets burst with billions, as always the case.

> gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Arindam Banerjee
> > >> >> >

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On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:33:45 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
> >> >
> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
> >
> >Russia lost 20 million in the WW2 and if there is a WW3 with nukes, which is what Zelensky is asking for, they may lose 30-40 million.
> >Putin is attacking Ukraine to prevent that catastrophe.
> >The fool Zelensky has asked civilians to fight the Russians. Throw Molotov cocktails. He is fighting behind the civilians, so Putin says.
> >Obviously civilians will get killed in such strategies. They should be evacuated.
> >Sad, but rather you than I, is what Putin may say. Very american, what?

> Putin is a freak, a very ugly freak, his policies that he is
> showing now, show he is much like Hitler and the Nazis.

He is, and has been, the International Hero fighting against the leaders of the soulless, cunning, racist and bigoted capitalist-imperialist-murderous-enslaving Western European countries and the US.
Hitler and Putin do have some similarities such as popularity and nationalism.
Putin is much smarter than Hitler, who made too many mistakes.
How is the US better than Nazis? The US has caused the deaths of many millions of civilians in Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya.
Hitler was fighting for survival against Communism. He had no quarrel with US and UK, but the capitalists there combined with the communists to defeat him.
Hitler should not have lost, and would not have, had he not attacked USSR. That was a fatal mistake, totally unnecessary. The Communism he was fighting before the got power was actually Trotskyism, which had created havoc in Russia; but Stalinists had already defeated them in a civil war.
Putin, like Hitler, is fighting for Russian interests in security matters. No nukes in Ukraine, is his main desire and cause for invasion.

The US kills for its own gains, like so many bandits. Talking of freaks, none freakier than Bush2.
> If he dies tomorrow the world will be a better place.

No doubt the US will try to get its puppets in power in Moscow after that, in order to loot Russian wealth.
That worked in Ukraine in 2014, after the coup.
Well, that would mean cheap goods for the West, and profits for their rich scums.
Certainly the world will be a better place for those affiliated with the Washington Swamp and Deep State.
And there are so many of them.
So they want Putin dead.
Who knows what will happen!
Just that, Putin is no Saddam or Gaddafi.
And he has plenty of nukes.

> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
> >> >They are religious nationalists.
> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
> >> Not in ethics.
> >> >
> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
> >> >
> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
> >> >>
> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
> >> >> pocket?
> >> >
> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
> >> >> >

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:50:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:39:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:40:04 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>>> case.
>>>>>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>>>> Japan.
>>>>> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>
>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>
>> Yes they are. Its military is second rate if it wasn't for the
>> nukes they would be a joke.
>
>How odd that they did so well at Stalingrad, before
>you buggers had even showed up in europe.

That was in the 1940s. You really are old. OK, Putin's military
is a bunch of effeminate pussies.
>
>>>> and Putin is the next Hitler of this century
>
>>> Nope, he won't be that stupid, you watch.
>
>> His actions on limiting free press and bombing that train station
>> show he is evil to the core.
>
>Separate matter entirely to whether he is the next Hitler of this century.

His actions are not important? WOW
>
>He isnt even a ruthless as Stalin.

Now that makes since, the current day Russia is not the USSR.
>
>>>> with his attacks on civilians.
>>>
>>> Yep.
>>>
>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>
>>>>> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>> They are religious nationalists.
>>>
>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>
>>> More of your mindless bullshit.
>
>> That Church needs to be destroyed.
>
>Not even possible. Even Stalin couldn't manage that.

Didn't say it would be easy.
>
>That's the problem with you stupid god botherers,
>even a full holocaust can't get rid of you all.

The USSR was a atheist state as is China and North Korea, Atheism
also shows great evil.
>
>>>>> Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>
>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>
>>>>> > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>
>>>>> He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>
>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>
>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>>> pocket?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>> When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>
>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.

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>
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>>>> was
>>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>> case.
>>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>> >
>>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>>> Japan.
>>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>> >
>>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>
>>> No. I don't think so.
>
>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>
>Bullshit. The most they did is self preservation.

Why would they support what is going on in Ukraine and how is that
self-preservation?

>
>>> They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
>>> That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy
>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>>> As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>> In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
>
>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>
>Not even possible.
>
>>>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>
>>> In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it
>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics
>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>> Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>
>> Nope.
>
>>> Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based
>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>> They are not Indian yet!
>>>> >
>>>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>> >
>>>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>> Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>> >> pocket?
>>>> >
>>>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>
>>> Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>> I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his
>>> hotels.
>>> Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>>> totally - quite recently.
>>> My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>> Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and
>>> what more can one expect from any potus?
>
>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war
>
>Only fools are actually stupid enough to believe that he is actually
>stupid enough to do it.

That is if he is completely sane. Maybe he and Biden both have
dementia.
>
>> and he is one sick bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill
>> Putin off.
>
>Rather unlikely that Putin is actually stupid enough to allow that to
>happen.

Time will tell.

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> >> >
>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>> >
>> >No. I don't think so.
>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>
>I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.

I don't have a sect.
>
>> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
>> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911 explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil. Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>
>You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far. Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>
>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>> >> Not in ethics.
>> >
>> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and divorces are the natural outcomes.
>> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>> Nope.
>
>They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite fast
>Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith such as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>
>> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics. Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>> >They are not Indian yet!
>> >> >
>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>> >> >
>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> >> >> pocket?
>> >> >
>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>> >
>> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his hotels.
>> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over - totally - quite recently.
>> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and what more can one expect from any potus?
>
>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>
>I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get nukes.

Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave them
up.

> Chances of WW3 is now less.
>It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens will not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse viruses that could be set loose.
>Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed by my experience while touring Russia.

Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar. Russia
doesn't have a free press. Then again to disagree with Putin will get
you 15 years in jail or killed.

>Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
>Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
>Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?

What gods? Putin is a freak.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> >

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 03:03:49 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 19:20:24 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> > On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> > >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> > >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> > >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> > >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> > >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> > >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> > >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> > >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> > >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>> > >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>> > >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> > >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
>> > >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> > >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> > >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> > >> >They are religious nationalists.
>> > >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>> > >
>> > >No. I don't think so.
>> > Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.
>> > >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
>> > >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>> > >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911 explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>> > >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil. Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
>> > They are evil and should be destroyed.
>> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far. Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>> > >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>> > >> Not in ethics.
>> > >
>> > >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and divorces are the natural outcomes.
>> > >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>> > Nope.
>> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite fast
>> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith such as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>> > >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics. Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>> > >They are not Indian yet!
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>> > >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>> > >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>> > >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> > >> >> pocket?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> > >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>> > >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> > >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>> > >
>> > >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>> > >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his hotels.
>> > >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over - totally - quite recently.
>> > >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>> > >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and what more can one expect from any potus?
>>
>> > Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>> > bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get nukes. Chances of WW3 is now less.
>> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens will not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse viruses that could be set loose.
>> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed by my experience while touring Russia.
>> Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
>> Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
>> Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods
>
>oops, should be devils, not gods!

You believe in devils?

>But why should they?
>The Washington Swamp Monsters and the Deep State Devils must be totally overjoyed with Putin.
>The war is making their huge wallets burst with billions, as always the case.
>
>> gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?
>> > >
>> > >Cheers,
>> > >Arindam Banerjee
>> > >> >> >

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:41:48 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>>>> was
>>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>> case.
>>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>> >
>>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>>> Japan.
>>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>
>>> Russia lost 20 million in the WW2 and if there is a WW3 with nukes,
>>> which is what Zelensky is asking for, they may lose 30-40 million.
>>> Putin is attacking Ukraine to prevent that catastrophe.
>>> The fool Zelensky has asked civilians to fight the Russians. Throw
>>> Molotov cocktails. He is fighting behind the civilians, so Putin says.
>>> Obviously civilians will get killed in such strategies. They should be
>>> evacuated.
>>> Sad, but rather you than I, is what Putin may say. Very american, what?
>>
>>
>> Putin is a freak, a very ugly freak, his policies that he is
>> showing now, show he is much like Hitler and the Nazis.
>
>No more so than Stalin.

You believe that excuses war crimes and bombing that train station?
>
>> If he dies tomorrow the world will be a better place.
>
>That depends on who replaces him.

True.
>
>>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>> >
>>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>> >
>>>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>> >
>>>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>> >> pocket?
>>>> >
>>>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>> >> >

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 by: Mattb - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:34 UTC

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 04:02:51 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:33:45 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> >> >
>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>> >
>> >Russia lost 20 million in the WW2 and if there is a WW3 with nukes, which is what Zelensky is asking for, they may lose 30-40 million.
>> >Putin is attacking Ukraine to prevent that catastrophe.
>> >The fool Zelensky has asked civilians to fight the Russians. Throw Molotov cocktails. He is fighting behind the civilians, so Putin says.
>> >Obviously civilians will get killed in such strategies. They should be evacuated.
>> >Sad, but rather you than I, is what Putin may say. Very american, what?
>
>> Putin is a freak, a very ugly freak, his policies that he is
>> showing now, show he is much like Hitler and the Nazis.
>
>He is, and has been, the International Hero fighting against the leaders of the soulless, cunning, racist and bigoted capitalist-imperialist-murderous-enslaving Western European countries and the US.
>Hitler and Putin do have some similarities such as popularity and nationalism.

Putin is a rather stupid freak.

>Putin is much smarter than Hitler, who made too many mistakes.

No, Putin is an idiot and a freak.

>How is the US better than Nazis? The US has caused the deaths of many millions of civilians in Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya.

OK

>Hitler was fighting for survival against Communism. He had no quarrel with US and UK, but the capitalists there combined with the communists to defeat him.

Sorry, Hitler was the one who attacked the UK and he did declare war
on the USA. Who knows what might have happened if he hadn't joined
Japan. Hitler and Putin were/are egotistical freaks.

>Hitler should not have lost, and would not have, had he not attacked USSR. That was a fatal mistake, totally unnecessary. The Communism he was fighting before the got power was actually Trotskyism, which had created havoc in Russia; but Stalinists had already defeated them in a civil war.

They were getting their asses kicked before the west came to their
aid.

>Putin, like Hitler, is fighting for Russian interests in security matters. No nukes in Ukraine, is his main desire and cause for invasion.

Putin is a lying sack of shit, at one time Ukraine had nukes of its
own. Their mistake was giving them up and trusting others. Putin
wants the old USSR that filed back and he will fail again as his
economy is failing.

He got his ass kick out of the Kiev area.
>
>The US kills for its own gains, like so many bandits. Talking of freaks, none freakier than Bush2.

I agree that Bush Jr was a total idiot when he went into Iraq.
>
>> If he dies tomorrow the world will be a better place.
>
>No doubt the US will try to get its puppets in power in Moscow after that, in order to loot Russian wealth.

What wealth the State of Texas has a economy bigger than Russia.
Russia is a third rate country now.

>That worked in Ukraine in 2014, after the coup.
>Well, that would mean cheap goods for the West, and profits for their rich scums.
>Certainly the world will be a better place for those affiliated with the Washington Swamp and Deep State.
>And there are so many of them.
>So they want Putin dead.
>Who knows what will happen!
>Just that, Putin is no Saddam or Gaddafi.
>And he has plenty of nukes.

Yes he does but so does the west. There use by either side would
be stupid.
>
>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>> >> Not in ethics.
>> >> >
>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>> >> >
>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> >> >> pocket?
>> >> >
>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>> >> >> >

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 by: Mattb - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:35 UTC

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:39:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>>>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
>>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for years)
>>>>>
>>>>> That is sad.
>>>>>
>>>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>>>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and murdered
>>>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>>>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi officer
>>>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former chancellor
>>>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship with
>>>> influential German businessman
>>>>
>>>> Bidens crime gang no different
>>>
>>> Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.
>
>> Are you sure?
>
>Yep, if he had done, it would have been all over the news, just like
>Putin's was.

Putin is a idiot. If Biden had someone killed they would report it
as a suicide.
>
>As Obama admitted, Biden fucks up everything he is ever involved in.
>
>>>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>>>
>>> Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>>>
>>>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150 'concerning' bank
>>>> transactions
>>>
>>> Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president anyway.
>>>
>>>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up straight
>>>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>>>> pocket?

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:02 UTC

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 20:03:49 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 19:20:24 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> > On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> > >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> > >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> > >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> > >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> > >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> > >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> > >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> > >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>> happen, was
>> > >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>> the case.
>> > >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>> > >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> > >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam
>> or Japan.
>> > >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> > >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> > >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> > >> >They are religious nationalists.
>> > >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>> > >
>> > >No. I don't think so.
>> > Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.
>> > >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
>> > >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy
>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>> > >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>> > >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
>> > They are evil and should be destroyed.
>> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far.
>> Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>> > >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>> > >> Not in ethics.
>> > >
>> > >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it
>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics
>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>> > >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>> > Nope.
>> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong
>> based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by
>> the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship
>> of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite
>> fast
>> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith such
>> as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>> > >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based
>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>> > >They are not Indian yet!
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>> > >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>> > >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>> > >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> > >> >> pocket?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> > >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>> > >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> > >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>> > >
>> > >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>> > >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of
>> his hotels.
>> > >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>> totally - quite recently.
>> > >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>> > >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet
>> and what more can one expect from any potus?
>>
>> > Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>> > bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get
>> nukes. Chances of WW3 is now less.
>> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens will
>> not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse
>> viruses that could be set loose.
>> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed by
>> my experience while touring Russia.
>> Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the
>> civil war?
>> Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
>> Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures,
>> so any assassin sent by your gods
>
> oops, should be devils, not gods!
> But why should they?
> The Washington Swamp Monsters and the Deep State Devils must be totally
> overjoyed with Putin.
> The war is making their huge wallets burst with billions, as always the
> case.

More of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasys.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:33 UTC

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:33:45 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>> was
>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>> the case.
>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> >> >
>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam
>> or Japan.
>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>> >
>> >Russia lost 20 million in the WW2 and if there is a WW3 with nukes,
>> which is what Zelensky is asking for, they may lose 30-40 million.
>> >Putin is attacking Ukraine to prevent that catastrophe.
>> >The fool Zelensky has asked civilians to fight the Russians. Throw
>> Molotov cocktails. He is fighting behind the civilians, so Putin says.
>> >Obviously civilians will get killed in such strategies. They should be
>> evacuated.
>> >Sad, but rather you than I, is what Putin may say. Very american, what?
>
>> Putin is a freak, a very ugly freak, his policies that he is
>> showing now, show he is much like Hitler and the Nazis.

> He is, and has been, the International Hero fighting against the leaders
> of the soulless, cunning, racist and bigoted
> capitalist-imperialist-murderous-enslaving Western European countries
> and the US.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crased drunken fantasys.

> Hitler and Putin do have some similarities such as popularity and
> nationalism.
> Putin is much smarter than Hitler, who made too many mistakes.

Putin has just made a massive mistake.

> How is the US better than Nazis?

Hasn't tried to invade to produce Lebensraum, fuckwit.

> The US has caused the deaths of many millions of civilians in Vietnam,
> Cambodia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya.

Corse Russia has never ever done anything like that, eh ?

Corse you arsehole Hindus have never ever done anything like that, eh ?

> Hitler was fighting for survival against Communism.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crased drunken pig ignorant
fantasys.

> He had no quarrel with US and UK,

Must be why he bombed the UK, fuckwit.

> but the capitalists there combined with the communists to defeat him.

Because he invaded Poland, France, the Netherlands etc etc etc. fuckwit.

> Hitler should not have lost, and would not have, had he not attacked
> USSR. That was a fatal mistake, totally unnecessary. The Communism he
> was fighting before the got power was actually Trotskyism, which had
> created havoc in Russia; but Stalinists had already defeated them in a
> civil war.

> Putin, like Hitler, is fighting for Russian interests in security
> matters. No nukes in Ukraine, is his main desire and cause for invasion.

That arsehole gets no say on what a foreign country does.

> The US kills for its own gains, like so many bandits.

Corse you Hindus never ever do anything like that, eh ?

> Talking of freaks, none freakier than Bush2.

None frealier than you.

>> If he dies tomorrow the world will be a better place.

> No doubt the US will try to get its puppets in power inMoscow after
> that, in order to loot Russian wealth.

Not even possible.

> That worked in Ukraine in 2014, after the coup.

There never was a coup.

> Well, that would mean cheap goods for the West,

Even sillier than you usually manage. No
one buys russian goods, even russians.

> and profits for their rich scums.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> Certainly the world will be a better place for those affiliated with the
> Washington Swamp and Deep State.
> And there are so many of them.
> So they want Putin dead.
> Who knows what will happen!

Putin won't end up with any of the Ukraine, you watch.

> Just that, Putin is no Saddam or Gaddafi.
> And he has plenty of nukes.

But isnt actually stupid enough to see russia nuked.

>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>> >> Not in ethics.
>> >> >
>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>> >> >
>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> >> >> pocket?
>> >> >
>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>> >> >> >

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:37 UTC

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:50:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 16:39:38 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:40:04 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>>>> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>> Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>> But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>
>>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>> Yes they are. Its military is second rate if it wasn't for the
>>> nukes they would be a joke.
>>
>> How odd that they did so well at Stalingrad, before
>> you buggers had even showed up in europe.
>
> That was in the 1940s. You really are old. OK, Putin's military
> is a bunch of effeminate pussies.

They have done a lot better than you clowns did in Afghanistan.

>>>>> and Putin is the next Hitler of this century
>>
>>>> Nope, he won't be that stupid, you watch.
>>
>>> His actions on limiting free press and bombing that train station
>>> show he is evil to the core.
>>
>> Separate matter entirely to whether he is the next Hitler of this
>> century.
>
> His actions are not important?

Never said that, fuckwit.

> WOW

You are pathetic.

>> He isn't even a ruthless as Stalin.
>
> Now that makes since, the current day Russia is not the USSR.

You quite sure you aren't one of those rocket scientist terminal fuckwits ?

>>>>> with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>
>>>> Yep.
>>>>
>>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>> They are religious nationalists.
>>>>
>>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>
>>>> More of your mindless bullshit.
>>
>>> That Church needs to be destroyed.
>>
>> Not even possible. Even Stalin couldn't manage that.
>
> Didn't say it would be easy.

Not even possible.

>> That's the problem with you stupid god botherers,
>> even a full holocaust can't get rid of you all.

> The USSR was a atheist state as is China and North Korea, Atheism
> also shows great evil.

You are a terminal fuckwit.

>>>>>> Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>
>>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>>
>>>>>> > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>
>>>>>> He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>
>>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>>>> pocket?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>> When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>
>>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.

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 by: Rod Speed - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:41 UTC

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>>>>> was
>>>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
>>>>> case.
>>>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or
>>>>> Japan.
>>>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>>>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>
>>>> No. I don't think so.
>>
>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>
>> Bullshit. The most they did is self preservation.

> Why would they support what is going on in Ukraine and how is that
> self-preservation?

The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp them
out, stupid.

Nothing evil about that.

You are just another arsehole god botherer that
wants to stamp out any other god botherers
whose stupid cult is different in detail to yours.

>>>> They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
>>>> That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy
>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>>>> As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>> In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
>>
>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>
>> Not even possible.
>>
>>>>> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>> Not in ethics.
>>>>
>>>> In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it
>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics
>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>> Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>>>> Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based
>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>>>> They are not Indian yet!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>>>>> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>>>> Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>>>>> >> pocket?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>>>>> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>
>>>> Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>> I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his
>>>> hotels.
>>>> Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>> My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>> Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and
>>>> what more can one expect from any potus?
>>
>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war
>>
>> Only fools are actually stupid enough to believe that he is actually
>> stupid enough to do it.
>
> That is if he is completely sane. Maybe he and Biden both have
> dementia.

Neither do.

>>> and he is one sick bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill
>>> Putin off.
>>
>> Rather unlikely that Putin is actually stupid enough to allow that to
>> happen.
>
> Time will tell.

Time has told, no one has actually been stupid enough to try it.

Plenty did with Hitler.

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