On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire, clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans who
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God or
>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être'
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>
>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>
>>>> It never was
>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>>
>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>
>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>
>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>
>We'll see who that is true of...
>
>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>
>Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>
>> even the Popes title,
>
>Bullshit.
>
>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>
>That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>
>> Then there is communion.
>
>Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>
>> Theh list goes on.
>
>Bullshit it does.
>
>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>
>>> Just like most religions.
>>
>> And that of atheist.
>
>Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>
>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>
>Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>kill because they are imposing their approach
>to how things are done like collectives etc.

They are so much like theist. Atheist have killed many millions.
>
>>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>>
>>> That's wrong too.
>>>
>>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>
>> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>
>Not because the RCC burned heretics.

No because they are Child abusers.
>
>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the
>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is strange.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
>>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>>>
>>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>>
>>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>>
>>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>>
>>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>>
>>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>
>> Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception rule.
>
>Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 02:33:32 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:52:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 20:37:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:05:27 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 15:58:41 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>>>>>>Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>>>>>>by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>>strange.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>>>>>>Some stay till they die
>>>>>
>>>>> That isn't the point why can't they marry Jesus never said that was
>>>>>a requirement to serve him.
>>>>>
>>>>Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
>>>>his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
>>>>make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
>>>>them (Matthew 28:18–20).
>>>
>>> Those two verses say Jesus had the authority they do not say that
>>>the authority was passed on to the RCC.
>>
>>The RCC came over 300 years later to try to legitimize and put order
>>into Christianity
>
> True and militarize it. Murder, deceit, and evil is what founded
>the RCC.
>>>>
The Emperor controlled the pope RCC church and Christians.
The RCC made it easier for Constantine the Great to rule
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Mon, 30 May 2022 02:44:30 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>>>the RCC was founded on REMOVING many Pagan principles.
>>>>Before Constantinople there was a big growth in what was loosely
>>>>called Christian.
>>>
>>> Who gave them the right to murder for what they called heresy?
>>>
>>You are stuck on a false theme, Moslems were operating as 5th
>>Columnists within Christian countries. The Monarchy of these countries
>>wanted Islam purged from it.
>
> Catharism was one Christian target as were the Waldensians, then
>they went after the Jews and people who converted to Christianity.
>
>Muslims by definition were not heretics. The Code of Justinian says
>heresy is "everyone who is not devoted to the Catholic Church and to
>our Orthodox holy Faith" a heretic.
>
Islam is a fake cult, Mohammad had the Koran written by Jewish Slaves
Nowhere in the old testament, new testament or Torah is the moon god
Allah mentioned. You would think it should be there?
Mind you Mohammad was a white man, the Quran condemns colored people
to hell. their heaven is only for white people.
>
>>you might like this link?
>>https://tinyurl.com/2jryldyc
>>pictures of Hitler with the Pope
>
> Hitler was a Catholic.
>
Like Joe Biden and you believe him?
--
Petzl
What is the harm of for the Democrats validating the voting system.
Is it because the Democrats have something to hide?

Amazing to think that Lyndon Johnson perfected the
'sit-wait-see how many we need to win-then dump our
stuffed ballots at the last moment' electoral technique
in post-war Texas, and nothing has changed in US elections
in the 7 decades since.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas#Legal_battle>
The Left is fine with Vaccine Cards
but NOT voter IDs. Paying attention yet?

On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:17:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:16:52 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 00:55:01 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> >> Just like most religions.
>>>> >
>>>> > And that of atheist.
>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>> > Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>>
>>> They kill because they are atheists, thus with no absolute moral
>>> checks, no concern for any position in the afterlife, no commandments
>>> to follow, no good guidance, in addition to being cold-heated and
>>> unscrupulous brainwashed robotic types who got the chance to kill;
>>> or hapless people who kill because they will be killed if they do not
>>> kill
>>>
>> Well said
>
>Bullshit.
>
On Tuesday the 24th of May a young man, armed with a DDM4 V7
semi-automatic rifle entered Robb Elementary School in Ulvade Texas.
The young man murdered nineteen young children and two adult teaching
staff.
The young man’s name was Salvador Ramos. He was shot dead by a Border
Patrol agent after the terrible murders.
Among the dead was nine year old Ellie Garcia, she had recorded a
video before going to school that day and was never able to post it,
her Father Steven did instead. In the video she says:
“Hey guys, just wanted to bring you up to date.. Jesus, he died for
us. So when we die, we’ll be up there with him. I have three pictures
of him in my room”
I pray that the victims of this terrible needless tragedy find peace
with our Lord.
I pray for the families, the friends and the police who bore witness
to horror.
I pray for Salvador Ramos.
“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord”

Joe Biden America
https://youtu.be/AIk94MJS_Sc
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

Mattb wrote on 30/5/22 8:58 am:
> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>> Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>> by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>
>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>
>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>> together."
>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>
>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>
>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>> strange.
>>>
>> A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.

I don't know about this!

>> Some stay till they die
>
> That isn't the point why can't they marry Jesus never said that was
> a requirement to serve him.

My thought is that the twelve Apostles were all bachelors (or we never
read of them being 'involved' with any women although women did serve
meals, etc.), so The Catholic Church (and many of the other Christian
Churches as well until the last Century or so) has kept that 'tradition'.

It strikes me as strange that The Catholic Church would prefer to have
Services run by (married) (male) lay Ministers rather than allow Priests
to marry or for Women to become Priests!
--
Daniel

Petzl wrote on 30/5/22 1:52 pm:

<Snip>

> The RCC came over 300 years later to try to legitimize and put order
> into Christianity

Who were the Boss Church which you think the RCC joined 300 years later??

Seems to me, the 'Jesus Movement' moved to Rome (and other places) so
Rome became the headquarters of 'The Jesus Movement' a.k.a. 'The
Church', a.k.a. 'The Roman Church'!

Other Churches split off from 'The Roman Church' a.k.a The Roman
Catholic Church.

And, now, supposedly, several of those Christian Churches are looking to
merge into The Roman Catholic Church!! .... Well, last I heard!
--
Daniel

Petzl wrote on 29/5/22 12:12 pm:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:43:54 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> That is not a fair voting system, candidates should not be
>>>>> allowed to feed other candidates.
>>
>>>> We have a preferential voting system for a reason.

Yes, a Preferential Voting System .... so your vote is given the
greatest chance of counting!!

>>>>> The only cotes that should be counted are the ones marked,
>>>>> then killed
>>
>>>> What ?
>>
>>> After your votes are counted, failed candidates should not be
>>> allowed to select (feed) which candidates those votes are then
>>> passed to.

YOU, the Voter, are given the greatest chance of having your vote count
for something.

>> They don't if you vote below the line.
>>
>>> This system ensures those who did not vote Coalition/Labor end up
>>> with those votes,
>>
>> Only if you vote above the line.
>>
> Only the Senate paper which cannot be laid out in ballot box. like a
> table cloth, yes you select 8 below the line most do the donkey 8 or
> 6 above the line. Still does not stop preferences being fed by you
> last candidate down till someone has 50%.

The instruction which you should have been given for The Senate (AND
WHICH IS PRINTED ON THE BALLOT PAPER) is that you should number *AT
LEAST* one through six above the line or *AT LEAST* one through twelve
below the line!!

If you only did one through eight below the line, your vote may have
been informal!!
>
> The Green one in Campbelltown only had 4 candidates you had to
> number all 4 (at least 4)

.... and then continue on to your next favourite party
--
Daniel

On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être'
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>
>>>>> It never was
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>
>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>
>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>
>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>
>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>
>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>
>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>
>>> even the Popes title,
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>
>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>
>>> Then there is communion.
>>
>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>
>>> Theh list goes on.
>>
>> Bullshit it does.
>>
>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>
>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>
>>> And that of atheist.
>>
>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>
>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>
>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>> to how things are done like collectives etc.

> They are so much like theist.

Bullshit.

> Atheist have killed many millions.

Not because they are atheists, fuckwit.

>>>>> they only stopped because people rejected them continuing
>>>>
>>>> That's wrong too.
>>>>
>>>>> and if they tried it now people would burn them to the ground.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. How odd that they don't with raping children.
>>
>>> Some Churches were burned, think in south America and Canada.
>>
>> Not because the RCC burned heretics.

> No because they are Child abusers.

It is far from clear why they are burned.

>>>>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the
>>>>>>>>> Roman
>>>>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation…
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and
>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>>>>> together."
>>>>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>>>>> strange.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really. They believe that priests who aren't married are likely
>>>>>> to spend a lot more time doing what priests are there to do.
>>>>
>>>>> They have been the Church of the pedophile for centuries.
>>>>
>>>> Mainly because they don't allow priests to marry so that
>>>> obviously attracts pedophiles give how much power
>>>> priests have over altar boys etc. Corse they aren't alone
>>>> in that, the anglicans, what you lot call the episcopalians
>>>> have them too and so do the scouts etc and teachers too.
>>>>
>>>>>> The downside is that it will always attract poofters
>>>>>> and see some priests have a wife on the side anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> That may be or just a lover.
>>>>
>>>> Very few except the infertile are just lovers because
>>>> the RCC doesn't allow contraception or abortion.
>>
>>> Doesn't allow lovers either so why obey the no contraception rule.
>>
>> Most catholics don't anymore. Harder for a priest tho.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 20:58:12 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 02:44:30 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>> the RCC was founded on REMOVING many Pagan principles.
>>>>> Before Constantinople there was a big growth in what was loosely
>>>>> called Christian.
>>>>
>>>> Who gave them the right to murder for what they called heresy?
>>>>
>>> You are stuck on a false theme, Moslems were operating as 5th
>>> Columnists within Christian countries. The Monarchy of these countries
>>> wanted Islam purged from it.
>>
>> Catharism was one Christian target as were the Waldensians, then
>> they went after the Jews and people who converted to Christianity.
>>
>> Muslims by definition were not heretics. The Code of Justinian says
>> heresy is "everyone who is not devoted to the Catholic Church and to
>> our Orthodox holy Faith" a heretic.

> Islam is a fake cult,

All religions are.

> Mohammad had the Koran written by Jewish Slaves

Bullshit. It isn't written in hebrew, stupid.

> Nowhere in the old testament, new testament or Torah is the moon god
> Allah mentioned.

Because it showed up after those, stupid.

> You would think it should be there?

Corse not.

> Mind you Mohammad was a white man,

Nope, just as swathy as that fool that got nailed up by the romans.

> the Quran condemns colored people to hell. their heaven is only for
> white people.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

>>> you might like this link?
>>> https://tinyurl.com/2jryldyc
>>> pictures of Hitler with the Pope
>>
>> Hitler was a Catholic.
>>
> Like Joe Biden and you believe him?

On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:02:35 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:17:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 18:16:52 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 00:55:01 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> >> Just like most religions.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And that of atheist.
>>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>>> > Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>>>
>>>> They kill because they are atheists, thus with no absolute moral
>>>> checks, no concern for any position in the afterlife, no commandments
>>>> to follow, no good guidance, in addition to being cold-heated and
>>>> unscrupulous brainwashed robotic types who got the chance to kill;
>>>> or hapless people who kill because they will be killed if they do not
>>>> kill
>>>>
>>> Well said
>>
>> Bullshit.

<reams of shit irrelevant to what is above flushed where it belongs>

On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:33:37 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 30/5/22 1:52 pm:
>
><Snip>
>
>> The RCC came over 300 years later to try to legitimize and put order
>> into Christianity
>
>Who were the Boss Church which you think the RCC joined 300 years later??
>
>Seems to me, the 'Jesus Movement' moved to Rome (and other places) so
>Rome became the headquarters of 'The Jesus Movement' a.k.a. 'The
>Church', a.k.a. 'The Roman Church'!
>
>Other Churches split off from 'The Roman Church' a.k.a The Roman
>Catholic Church.
>
>And, now, supposedly, several of those Christian Churches are looking to
>merge into The Roman Catholic Church!! .... Well, last I heard!

Maybe they want Altar boy tail?

On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:21:23 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

>Mattb wrote on 30/5/22 8:58 am:
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>>> Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>>> by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>> together."
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>
>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>> strange.
>>>>
>>> A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>
>I don't know about this!

I did doubt that to be true.
>
>>> Some stay till they die
>>
>> That isn't the point why can't they marry Jesus never said that was
>> a requirement to serve him.
>
>My thought is that the twelve Apostles were all bachelors (or we never
>read of them being 'involved' with any women although women did serve
>meals, etc.), so The Catholic Church (and many of the other Christian
>Churches as well until the last Century or so) has kept that 'tradition'.

Then you are saying they were all virgins?

>
>It strikes me as strange that The Catholic Church would prefer to have
>Services run by (married) (male) lay Ministers rather than allow Priests
>to marry or for Women to become Priests!

Well if these priest want to show true devotion then let it become a
requirement to be a Eunuch.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 20:58:12 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 02:44:30 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>>>the RCC was founded on REMOVING many Pagan principles.
>>>>>Before Constantinople there was a big growth in what was loosely
>>>>>called Christian.
>>>>
>>>> Who gave them the right to murder for what they called heresy?
>>>>
>>>You are stuck on a false theme, Moslems were operating as 5th
>>>Columnists within Christian countries. The Monarchy of these countries
>>>wanted Islam purged from it.
>>
>> Catharism was one Christian target as were the Waldensians, then
>>they went after the Jews and people who converted to Christianity.
>>
>>Muslims by definition were not heretics. The Code of Justinian says
>>heresy is "everyone who is not devoted to the Catholic Church and to
>>our Orthodox holy Faith" a heretic.
>>
>Islam is a fake cult, Mohammad had the Koran written by Jewish Slaves
>Nowhere in the old testament, new testament or Torah is the moon god
>Allah mentioned. You would think it should be there?

You expect logic from books written for the stupid?

>Mind you Mohammad was a white man, the Quran condemns colored people
>to hell. their heaven is only for white people.

Never seen that.
>>
>>>you might like this link?
>>>https://tinyurl.com/2jryldyc
>>>pictures of Hitler with the Pope
>>
>> Hitler was a Catholic.
>>
>Like Joe Biden and you believe him?

No more of less than any politician.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:21:23 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

> Mattb wrote on 30/5/22 8:58 am:
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:12:33 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:49:16 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_supremacy
>>> Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Catholic Church that the Pope,
>>> by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>> "We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman
>>>>>> Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I
>>>>>> have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above
>>>>>> all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one
>>>>>> consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What
>>>>>> therefore, can you make of me but God?"
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't make them like that anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>>> "There is no more harm in adultery than in rubbing one's hands
>>>>>> together."
>>>>>> Pope Boniface VIII
>>>>>
>>>>> And its fine to fuck the altar boys.
>>>>
>>>> Yes there is that. Why they don't allow priest to marry is
>>>> strange.
>>>>
>>> A lot of young Catholic priests only serve for five years.
>
> I don't know about this!
>
>>> Some stay till they die
>> That isn't the point why can't they marry Jesus never said that was
>> a requirement to serve him.
>
> My thought is that the twelve Apostles were all bachelors (or we never
> read of them being 'involved' with any women although women did serve
> meals, etc.), so The Catholic Church (and many of the other Christian
> Churches as well until the last Century or so)

Bullshit.

> has kept that 'tradition'.

More bullshit. In fact celibacy wasn't always RCC policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy_in_the_Catholic_Church#Historical_origins

> It strikes me as strange that The Catholic Church would prefer to have
> Services run by (married) (male) lay Ministers rather than allow Priests
> to marry or for Women to become Priests!

Utterly mangled all over again.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:33:37 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

> Petzl wrote on 30/5/22 1:52 pm:
>
> <Snip>
>
>> The RCC came over 300 years later to try to legitimize and put order
>> into Christianity
>
> Who were the Boss Church which you think the RCC joined 300 years later??
>
> Seems to me, the 'Jesus Movement' moved to Rome (and other places) so
> Rome became the headquarters of 'The Jesus Movement' a.k.a. 'The
> Church', a.k.a. 'The Roman Church'!

It is in fact much more complicated than that.

> Other Churches split off from 'The Roman Church' a.k.a The Roman
> Catholic Church.
>
> And, now, supposedly, several of those Christian Churches are looking to
> merge into The Roman Catholic Church!! ....

Bullshit they are.

> Well, last I heard!

Then you need a new hearing aid, BAD.

On Tue, 31 May 2022 04:43:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household, including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison d'être'
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It never was
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>>
>>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>>
>>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>>
>>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>>
>>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>>
>>>> even the Popes title,
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>>
>>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>>
>>>> Then there is communion.
>>>
>>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>>
>>>> Theh list goes on.
>>>
>>> Bullshit it does.
>>>
>>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>>
>>>> And that of atheist.
>>>
>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>
>>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>
>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>
>> They are so much like theist.
>
>Bullshit.

To murder is to murder. Atheist murdered because another did not
agree with their belief. So much like a theist.
>
>> Atheist have killed many millions.
>
>Not because they are atheists, fuckwit.

On Tue, 31 May 2022 06:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 31 May 2022 04:43:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison
>>>>>>>>>>>> d'être'
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It never was
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>>>
>>>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>>>
>>>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>>>
>>>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>>>
>>>>> even the Popes title,
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>>>
>>>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>>>
>>>>> Then there is communion.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>>>
>>>>> Theh list goes on.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit it does.
>>>>
>>>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that of atheist.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>>
>>>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>>
>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>
>>> They are so much like theist.
>>
>> Bullshit.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:33:37 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 30/5/22 1:52 pm:
>
><Snip>
>
>> The RCC came over 300 years later to try to legitimize and put order
>> into Christianity
>
>Who were the Boss Church which you think the RCC joined 300 years later??
>
>Seems to me, the 'Jesus Movement' moved to Rome (and other places) so
>Rome became the headquarters of 'The Jesus Movement' a.k.a. 'The
>Church', a.k.a. 'The Roman Church'!
>
>Other Churches split off from 'The Roman Church' a.k.a The Roman
>Catholic Church.
>
>And, now, supposedly, several of those Christian Churches are looking to
>merge into The Roman Catholic Church!! .... Well, last I heard!
>
The Roman Catholic Church would give legitimacy to other denominations
--
Petzl
Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
them (Matthew 28:18–20).

Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:44:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2022 06:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 04:43:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 19:47:47 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 15:43:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 13:44:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:45:36 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 09:02:19 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 05:58:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 May 2022 04:49:16 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:50:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 14:26:21 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 21:57:52 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb wrote on 28/5/22 4:51 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 21:46:28 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 25/5/22 4:19 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 May 2022 22:04:30 +1000, Daniel65
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 16/5/22 5:05 am:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 03:37:14 +1000, Mattb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these gifts were funded through severe taxation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagan cults.[49] Some pagan cults were forced to disband
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of funds; when this happened the Church took over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult's previous role of caring for the poor.[51] In a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of their increased standing in the Empire,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> began to adopt the dress of the royal household,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cope
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That doesnt mean that the church was pagan, fuckwit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't "Church" and "Pagan" sort of mutually exclusive??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Most xtians claim that those who don't believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god are pagans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so one group believes in 'God' and one group doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'God'/denys that 'God' even exists!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact roman catholics believe that protestants are pagans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end up in hell until a very recent pope proclaimed that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protestants can end up in heaven.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah!! But they'll be in 'Second Class' Heaven!! ;-P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me when you see God say this. The Popes are not God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really!! As I was brought up, that was the whole 'raison
>>>>>>>>>>>>> d'être'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope!! An Interface for God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK here are some Pope quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Anyone who attempts to construe a personal view of God which
>>>>>>>>>>>> conflicts with church dogma must be burned without pity."
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pope Innocent III
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They don't bother with that anymore, and that isn't just
>>>>>>>>>>> because of the mess it makes in the town square.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Popes are or are not this "Interface for God"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It hasnt been that black and white for a long time now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It never was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the RCC was founded on many Pagan principles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it just pinched a few of the myths like Noah
>>>>>>> and some cermonial ocassions. Never any pagan
>>>>>>> principles apart from a few like marriage etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are so full of shit here it isn't funny.
>>>>>
>>>>> We'll see who that is true of...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Even the outfits the Popes wore,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, popes wear clothes, just like pagans do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> even the Popes title,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> even the day they claimed Jesus was born.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is just pinching that pagan ceremonial date.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there is communion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck all pagans have anything like that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Theh list goes on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit it does.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and has been a group of killers for centuries,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just like most religions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that of atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, few atheists kill anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the USSR, China and North Korea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those don't kill because they are atheists, they
>>>>> kill because they are imposing their approach
>>>>> to how things are done like collectives etc.
>>>
>>>> They are so much like theist.
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>
>> To murder is to murder.
>
>> Atheist murdered because another did not agree with their belief.
>
>But not because they weren't atheists.

On Mon, 30 May 2022 22:00:38 +1000, Daniel65
<daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 29/5/22 12:12 pm:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 11:43:54 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>> That is not a fair voting system, candidates should not be
>>>>>> allowed to feed other candidates.
>>>
>>>>> We have a preferential voting system for a reason.
>
>Yes, a Preferential Voting System .... so your vote is given the
>greatest chance of counting!!
>
>>>>>> The only cotes that should be counted are the ones marked,
>>>>>> then killed
>>>
>>>>> What ?
>>>
>>>> After your votes are counted, failed candidates should not be
>>>> allowed to select (feed) which candidates those votes are then
>>>> passed to.
>
>YOU, the Voter, are given the greatest chance of having your vote count
>for something.
>
>>> They don't if you vote below the line.
>>>
>>>> This system ensures those who did not vote Coalition/Labor end up
>>>> with those votes,
>>>
>>> Only if you vote above the line.
>>>
>> Only the Senate paper which cannot be laid out in ballot box. like a
>> table cloth, yes you select 8 below the line most do the donkey 8 or
>> 6 above the line. Still does not stop preferences being fed by you
>> last candidate down till someone has 50%.
>
>The instruction which you should have been given for The Senate (AND
>WHICH IS PRINTED ON THE BALLOT PAPER) is that you should number *AT
>LEAST* one through six above the line or *AT LEAST* one through twelve
>below the line!!
>
>If you only did one through eight below the line, your vote may have
>been informal!!

it's scam to keep a duopoly
The senate paper needs to be laid out on the floor to see all
candidates. most will just fill in the above line.
On top of that when your vote below the "line" drops down to number 8
that 8th candidates preferences kick in.
All are just snout and trotters in trough
Need to bring back hanging for treason the entire federal parliament
would be in line
>>
>> The Green one in Campbelltown only had 4 candidates you had to
>> number all 4 (at least 4)
>
>... and then continue on to your next favourite party
>
3 were complete arseholes
--
Petzl
If voting made any difference,
They wouldn't let us do it- Mark Twain

On Mon, 30 May 2022 12:00:31 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 30 May 2022 20:58:12 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 May 2022 02:44:30 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>>>the RCC was founded on REMOVING many Pagan principles.
>>>>>>Before Constantinople there was a big growth in what was loosely
>>>>>>called Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who gave them the right to murder for what they called heresy?
>>>>>
>>>>You are stuck on a false theme, Moslems were operating as 5th
>>>>Columnists within Christian countries. The Monarchy of these countries
>>>>wanted Islam purged from it.
>>>
>>> Catharism was one Christian target as were the Waldensians, then
>>>they went after the Jews and people who converted to Christianity.
>>>
>>>Muslims by definition were not heretics. The Code of Justinian says
>>>heresy is "everyone who is not devoted to the Catholic Church and to
>>>our Orthodox holy Faith" a heretic.
>>>
>>Islam is a fake cult, Mohammad had the Koran written by Jewish Slaves
>>Nowhere in the old testament, new testament or Torah is the moon god
>>Allah mentioned. You would think it should be there?
>
> You expect logic from books written for the stupid?
>
>>Mind you Mohammad was a white man, the Quran condemns colored people
>>to hell. their heaven is only for white people.
>
> Never seen that.
>>>
But most get sucked in by fakenews media
<http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm#Arab%20Racism>
While the devout Muslim believes with all of his heart that the
rituals and doctrines of Islam are entirely heavenly in origin and
thus cannot have any earthly sources, Middle East scholars have
demonstrated beyond all doubt that every ritual and belief in Islam
can be traced back to pre-Islamic Arabian culture.

In other words Muhammad did not preach anything new. Everything he
taught had been believed and practiced in Arabia long before he was
ever born. Even the idea of "only one God" was borrowed from the Jews
and the Christians. islam.htm

>>>>you might like this link?
>>>>https://tinyurl.com/2jryldyc
>>>>pictures of Hitler with the Pope
>>>
>>> Hitler was a Catholic.
>>>
>>Like Joe Biden and you believe him?
>
> No more of less than any politician.
>
Joe Biden is the Devil incarnate pure evil.
--
Petzl
Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
behind them, a desert waste
-- nothing escapes them....

On 29/05/2022 7:19 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 06:56:22 +1000, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 28/05/2022 10:14 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 19:51:00 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/05/2022 7:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> Ozix <ozix12345@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> If he had a marginal seat in outer suburbs, then there is always the
>>>>>> pork barrel: promise them a train station, swimming pool or rugby
>>>>>> field. But what about Wentworth or Curtin? The wealthiest voters are
>>>>>> harder to bribe. In Curtin, Scomo offered an expensive machine for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> public hospital within that electorate. Nothing else that I can find.
>>>>>
>>>>> He could have bribed most of the stupid teal electorates with
>>>>> some stupid climate change bullshit,
>>>>
>>>> **Ummm, climate change is not bullshit. It's science. Something Scummo
>>>> has no familiarity with.
>>>>
>>>>   but ScoMo isnt that stupid.
>>>>
>>>> **Well, Scummo is dumb as a pile of rocks. Remember his words:
>>>>
>>>> "Well, I believe in miracles."
>>>>
>>>> Says it all. Scummo ignores science and embraces supernatural claptrap.
>>>>
>>> June 29, 1989 "UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental
>>> official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth
>>> by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by
>>> the year 2000."
>>> Only idiots still believe
>>
>> And what is wrong with that statement?
>
> There is no possibility what so ever that 'entire nations
> could be wiped off the face of the Earth' except with a
> few tiny islands whose inhabitants are free to move
> from that tiny island. It makes no sense what so ever
> to be spending trillions to avoid that happening.

**Points:

* Those tiny islands ARE entire nations.
* As the warming continues, then other places will suffer. Places like:

The Netherlands
NYC
Much of Florida
Bangladesh
Etc.

Spending the money now, makes more sense than spending MUCH more later.

On 29/05/2022 9:13 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 06:56:22 +1000, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 28/05/2022 10:14 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 19:51:00 +1000, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/05/2022 7:32 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> Ozix <ozix12345@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> If he had a marginal seat in outer suburbs, then there is always the
>>>>>> pork barrel: promise them a train station, swimming pool or rugby
>>>>>> field. But what about Wentworth or Curtin? The wealthiest voters are
>>>>>> harder to bribe. In Curtin, Scomo offered an expensive machine for the
>>>>>> public hospital within that electorate. Nothing else that I can find.
>>>>>
>>>>> He could have bribed most of the stupid teal electorates with
>>>>> some stupid climate change bullshit,
>>>>
>>>> **Ummm, climate change is not bullshit. It's science. Something Scummo
>>>> has no familiarity with.
>>>>
>>>> but ScoMo isnt that stupid.
>>>>
>>>> **Well, Scummo is dumb as a pile of rocks. Remember his words:
>>>>
>>>> "Well, I believe in miracles."
>>>>
>>>> Says it all. Scummo ignores science and embraces supernatural claptrap.
>>>>
>>> June 29, 1989 "UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental
>>> official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth
>>> by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by
>>> the year 2000."
>>> Only idiots still believe
>>
>> **And what is wrong with that statement?
>>
>> Take your time in responding. Use science in your answer.
>>
> There has been no sea levels rising anywhere;

**Bullshit:

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

Are you now claiming that you know more than the guys at NASA?

Really?

You are a scientific ignoramus.

> Fort Dennison has measured tides since the first fleet over 200 years
> ago still the same levels today.

**Wrong again, moron:

https://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/196.php

> I am trying to follow The Science
> but it keeps leading me back to The Money

**Before you try to follow the science, you first need to UNDERSTAND the
science.

On 29/05/2022 9:07 am, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 06:59:07 +1000, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 28/05/2022 8:12 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Ozix <ozix12345@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>>> If he had a marginal seat in outer suburbs, then there is always the
>>>>>> pork barrel: promise them a train station, swimming pool or rugby
>>>>>> field. But what about Wentworth or Curtin? The wealthiest voters are
>>>>>> harder to bribe. In Curtin, Scomo offered an expensive machine for
>>>>>> the public hospital within that electorate. Nothing else that I can
>>>>>> find.
>>>
>>>>>  He could have bribed most of the stupid teal electorates with
>>>>> some stupid climate change bullshit,
>>>
>>>> Ummm, climate change is not bullshit. It's science.
>>>
>>> The science says that even if this country shut down all power
>>> generation tomorrow, banned all cars and trucks and aircraft
>>> and ships tomorrow, that would have no measurable effect on
>>> the climate of this country.
>>
>> **So, according to your logic, I can dump my old engine oil into the
>> creek that runs next to my home. After all, it's only 7 Litres of oil,
>> going into a river that is almost 1km wide. No big deal.
>>
>> Fucking idiot.
>>
>> EVERY SINGLE person on this planet will have to make some adjustments to
>> deal with global warming.
>>
>> That means every Chinese citizen, every American, every Pom and every
>> Australian.
>>
>> NO EXCEPTIONS.
>>
> But why should Australia be the outlier around the planet when it
> comes to reducing greenhouse emissions?

**Because we have (had) fuckwit COALition politicians fucking the
system. Australia is now one of the worst CO2 emitters on the planet.

> China takes two weeks to match Australia’s yearly greenhouse emissions
> level.

**China has a population of 1.4 billion. Each Chinese citizen emits far
less than half the CO2 that each Australian does.

> India is three weeks. The US is a month.

**See above. Australia punches well above it's weight in CO2 emissions.

> Are we not sabotaging our own future by signing up to a deal that most
> of the other countries talk about, but in reality are ignoring?

**They're not ignoring it, for the most part. AUSTRALIA is.

> China gets emissions concessions because it is a so-called
> “developing’’ country. Seriously? Its army is bigger than Victoria.

**China's emissions, per capita are far, far lower than Australia's.

On Tue, 31 May 2022 09:25:03 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 May 2022 21:33:37 +1000, Daniel65
> <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>
>> Petzl wrote on 30/5/22 1:52 pm:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>> The RCC came over 300 years later to try to legitimize and put order
>>> into Christianity
>>
>> Who were the Boss Church which you think the RCC joined 300 years
>> later??
>>
>> Seems to me, the 'Jesus Movement' moved to Rome (and other places) so
>> Rome became the headquarters of 'The Jesus Movement' a.k.a. 'The
>> Church', a.k.a. 'The Roman Church'!
>>
>> Other Churches split off from 'The Roman Church' a.k.a The Roman
>> Catholic Church.
>>
>> And, now, supposedly, several of those Christian Churches are looking to
>> merge into The Roman Catholic Church!! .... Well, last I heard!
>>
> The Roman Catholic Church would give legitimacy to other denominations

Bullshit.